Subject:	Imperium Bestowed
From:	Decius Iunius Palladius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232219108127031050199203252129208071" >amcgrath@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:04:32 -0500 (EST)

Salvete! As a lictor of Nova Roma, I, Decius Iunius Palladius, do hereby
bestow Imperium on the duly elected and appointed magistrates of this
year, to be used with wisdom and forbearance.

Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius
Senator, Consularis, Curator Differeum


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Subject:	Roman citizenship (Historical)
From:	RCL <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034166018056078209025218055036129208" >lavenrc@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:01:04 +1100

Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:

> Too, Roman citizenship was not exclusively for people originating from the
> Eternal City, even in its earliest history. Citizenship was historically open
> to peoples from all lands, and it would have been extremely odd for Nova
> Roma-- which is an attempt to recreate the society of the Roman Republic-- to
> suddenly decide to limit Citizenship to people of a particular ethnic or
> national origin. The same goes for gender or sexual orientation; the ancient
> Romans had their own morals regarding homosexuality, and were generally
> tolerant of such behavior. It would have been abberant of us _not_ to be
> inclusive, since the ancient Romans were so inclusive.

Actually for most of Rome's history the granting of citizenship WAS restricted
to those of the Eternal City. Traditionally the citizenship of Rome could only
be granted to those of Rome and therefore not open to peoples of all lands and
creeds. This is why there were records of strict laws governing merchants within
Rome, as well as the prejudice against the Greeks (even after the Roman scholars
and artists emulated the finest Grecian qualities), and why a Roman marrying a
non-Roman could not have their marriage recognised under Roman law.

It was not until 89 BCE, during the consulship of Gnaeus Pompeius Strabo and
Lucius Porcius Cato, that the Latins and Italians were granted Roman citizenship
-- this is something which has been documented in the texts of that period. As
time grew on the granting of citizenship was gradually extended to include other
ethnic groups within the Roman Empire.

Despite the historically difference I have mentioned above, I whole-heartedly
agree with the open citizenshi policy of Nova Roma. I am not of Roman or Italian
descend, I am a Christian (or near to being one), and the chances are there are
some other ground to exclude me :)

Anyway. I just wanted to join in the discussion.

Vale,
Magnus

Subject:	Roman Names
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:30:55 -0800

On our own website, while I was browsing...I saw this page:

<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/names.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/names.html</a>

Is there a way this can be linked to the application page when
individuals are applying for citizenship?

L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

Subject:	names continued
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:34:30 -0800

<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/names2.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/names2.html</a>

Please link this page as well..it caters towards male names. :)

Sulla Felix
Censor

Subject:	Re: names continued
From:	RCL <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034166018056078209025218055036129208" >lavenrc@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:30:47 +1100

That's kind of my fault. Unfortunately my knowledge of female Roman names is
highly limited :)

Magnus



Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:

> From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
> <a href="http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/names2.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/names2.html</a>
>
> Please link this page as well..it caters towards male names. :)
>
> Sulla Felix
> Censor
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Subject:	Re: names continued
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 01:52:51 -0800

RCL wrote:

> From: RCL <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034166018056078209025218055036129208" >lavenrc@--------</a>
>
> That's kind of my fault. Unfortunately my knowledge of female Roman names is
> highly limited :)
>

Whats your fault?

Sulla Felix
Censor

>
> Magnus
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
>
> > From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
> >
> > <a href="http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/names2.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/names2.html</a>
> >
> > Please link this page as well..it caters towards male names. :)
> >
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Subject:	Re: The Splash Page
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:49:51 YEKT

Salve,

actually where _are_ many pictures on that site, e.g. Roman statues and
cameos, coins, also Roman architecture etc. Nice Roman history site,
probably the best (if not unique) in Russian Net.

SARMATICUS


>From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] The Splash Page
>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 17:59:36 -0800
>
>From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
>
>Salve, A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus Propraetor Samatia Provincia.
>
>Sic. That is the one!
>I clicked on a few of the links, and they went to a blank page.
>I was wondering what other good pictures might be there.
>That photograph of the wolf, Luperca, is perhaps the best I've
>seen on the net, the lighting is excellent. I just wish the image
>could be separated from the background. But that would be
>stealing.
>
>Vale, Propraetor.
>
>C. Aelius Ericius.
>Senator
>Augur et Pontifex
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Subject:	Re: Roman citizenship (Historical)
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:58:00 YEKT

Salvete,

errr...It looks like I missed something importanant... Am I mistaken, or is
there anybody in NR planning to accept in NR only people of certain
ethnicity? And exclude people of "not proper" ethnicity, race, colour, etc.?
Or may be they want to make a SLAVES out of us???

I hoped this racist, fascist stuff would never arise in NR again... and
therefore I joined her. Did I hope in vain?

AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE ETIAM
PROPRAETOR SARMATIAE PROVINCIAE

LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST

VALETE IN PACE

>From: RCL <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034166018056078209025218055036129208" >lavenrc@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Roman citizenship (Historical)
>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:01:04 +1100
>
>From: RCL <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034166018056078209025218055036129208" >lavenrc@--------</a>
>
>Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:
>
> > Too, Roman citizenship was not exclusively for people originating from
>the
> > Eternal City, even in its earliest history. Citizenship was historically
>open
> > to peoples from all lands, and it would have been extremely odd for Nova
> > Roma-- which is an attempt to recreate the society of the Roman
>Republic-- to
> > suddenly decide to limit Citizenship to people of a particular ethnic or
> > national origin. The same goes for gender or sexual orientation; the
>ancient
> > Romans had their own morals regarding homosexuality, and were generally
> > tolerant of such behavior. It would have been abberant of us _not_ to be
> > inclusive, since the ancient Romans were so inclusive.
>
>Actually for most of Rome's history the granting of citizenship WAS
>restricted
>to those of the Eternal City. Traditionally the citizenship of Rome could
>only
>be granted to those of Rome and therefore not open to peoples of all lands
>and
>creeds. This is why there were records of strict laws governing merchants
>within
>Rome, as well as the prejudice against the Greeks (even after the Roman
>scholars
>and artists emulated the finest Grecian qualities), and why a Roman
>marrying a
>non-Roman could not have their marriage recognised under Roman law.
>
>It was not until 89 BCE, during the consulship of Gnaeus Pompeius Strabo
>and
>Lucius Porcius Cato, that the Latins and Italians were granted Roman
>citizenship
>-- this is something which has been documented in the texts of that period.
>As
>time grew on the granting of citizenship was gradually extended to include
>other
>ethnic groups within the Roman Empire.
>
>Despite the historically difference I have mentioned above, I
>whole-heartedly
>agree with the open citizenshi policy of Nova Roma. I am not of Roman or
>Italian
>descend, I am a Christian (or near to being one), and the chances are there
>are
>some other ground to exclude me :)
>
>Anyway. I just wanted to join in the discussion.
>
>Vale,
>Magnus
>
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Subject:	Re: Re: Nova Roma, was Re: JOIN OUR CAUSE!!!
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:33:19 -0800

Germancius where did this article come from....specifically what newsgroup?

Sulla Felix

Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:

> From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> >
> Heilsa,
>
> (I'm cross-posting this to the Nova Roma email list, because I think this is
> a discussion they might want to be in on.)
>
> Andy Fear <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=219128113139178135213082190036" >cla04@--------</a> wrote in message
> news:85mrp3$pj4$2@--------
> >
> > Went there and noticed that NOVA ROMA has one of these regardless of...
> > clauses. Doesn't that just make it silly "wiccan" nonsense with knobs on?
>
> As one of the co-founders of Nova Roma, as well as a historical
> reconstructionist Norse Heathen, I'd like to address this particular issue.
> I believe that Mr. Fear is referring to Paragraph II.A.3 of Nova Roma's
> Constitution, which states "Citizenship is open to anyone regardless of
> ethnic heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation."
>
> The inclusion clause on the Nova Roman web site is there for a variety of
> reasons. First, Nova Roma is not exclusively a pagan organization. While the
> restoration of the Religio Romana is a central theme of Nova Roma, there are
> a variety of non-religious activities that are undertaken under its banner.
> Studies of Roman history and culture, historical reenactments, and the
> restoration of the Roman Republican form of government rest proudly among
> them. Plus, it should be remembered that the Romans were, if anything,
> religiously syncretic. They did not obliterate the native religions of the
> peoples they conquered; they joined them with their own. Religious tolerance
> was the norm, as long as those religions were themselves tolerant.
>
> Too, Roman citizenship was not exclusively for people originating from the
> Eternal City, even in its earliest history. Citizenship was historically
> open to peoples from all lands, and it would have been extremely odd for
> Nova Roma-- which is an attempt to recreate the society of the Roman
> Republic-- to suddenly decide to limit Citizenship to people of a particular
> ethnic or national origin. The same goes for gender or sexual orientation;
> the ancient Romans had their own morals regarding homosexuality, and were
> generally tolerant of such behavior. It would have been abberant of us _not_
> to be inclusive, since the ancient Romans were so inclusive.
>
> I think in the context of Folkish Heathenry, what should be remembered is
> that not all "Folks" are alike; what is "Folkish" for one "Folk" may not be
> "Folkish" for another. Wicca doesn't have a corner on the tolerance market,
> and all who are tolerant of others aren't necessarily Wiccan.
>
> In frith,
>
> Ślfgrim goši
>
> Gers Ey Gošorš
> <a href="http://www.gersey.org" target="_top" >http://www.gersey.org</a>
>
> (Or, for my Nova Roman friends...)
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> Censor, Senator et Augur
>
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Subject:	Re: Nova Roma, was Re: JOIN OUR CAUSE!!!
From:	Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 03:55:36 -0800 (PST)

>Wicca doesn't have a corner on the tolerance market,
> and all who are tolerant of others aren't necessarily
> Wiccan.
Well said Germanicus!! Hear! Hear! Excellent email and all
that!
Diana
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Subject:	Re: Roman citizenship (Historical)
From:	Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:03:08 -0800 (PST)

A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus said:

> errr...It looks like I missed something importanant... Am
> I mistaken, or is there anybody in NR planning to accept
>in NR only people of certain ethnicity? And exclude
>people of "not proper" ethnicity, race, colour, etc.?

Since I think that most of our U.S. Nova Romans are still
in bed, I will answer you:
Yes, you did miss something, but its the opposite from what
you think. Germanicus sent an email about how Nova Roma
DOES NOT exclude anyone based on race, etc...
No reason to worry!
Diana Aventina

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Subject:	Missing Attachments
From:	Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:15:14 -0800 (PST)

> This seems to be another example of how the new Onelist
> is chopping up our communications.
> Audens, Consul et amice, there was no "enclosed message"
> with what I received from you.

There is an option on Onelist for attachments. I have
forgotten who our Nova Roma list administrator is (and the
Roman title for it-sorry) but all she/he has to do is go
into the <a href="http://www.onelist.com" target="_top" >http://www.onelist.com</a> , Options,Edit and change
to "leave attachments"
Bright Blessings
Diana Aventina


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Subject:	Re: Missing Attachments
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 03:27:16 -0800

Salve...our moderator is Lucius Marius Fimbria, and I believe it was Marius
who disabled that function....I dont recall why...though...Sorry its a bit
too early in the morning..hehehe

Sulla Felix

Diana Aventina wrote:

> From: Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
>
> > This seems to be another example of how the new Onelist
> > is chopping up our communications.
> > Audens, Consul et amice, there was no "enclosed message"
> > with what I received from you.
>
> There is an option on Onelist for attachments. I have
> forgotten who our Nova Roma list administrator is (and the
> Roman title for it-sorry) but all she/he has to do is go
> into the <a href="http://www.onelist.com" target="_top" >http://www.onelist.com</a> , Options,Edit and change
> to "leave attachments"
> Bright Blessings
> Diana Aventina
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Subject:	Re: Roman citizenship (Historical)
From:	RCL <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034166018056078209025218055036129208" >lavenrc@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:39:13 +1100

Salve,

It would seem as though I have confused a fellow citizen with my first email to
the listserver. I do apologise to you, A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus, and fellow
citizens of Nova Roma.

To my knowledge no one has yet raised the issue or filed for a motion to limit
the citizenship of Nova Roma to any ethnic base, religious practice, sexual
orientation, or geographical location. It would seem as though there are a
number of people who agree with the sentiments of the fouding citizens. That is
something I believe is gratifying.

My email was merely addressing the issue of citizenship in the historical
setting of ancient Rome -- its growth from including only those poeple of the
Eternal City and eventually encompassing the entire Roman Empire.

Be assured, fellow citizens, that the freedom of all to join Nova Roma is
guaranteed under the Constitution: 'Citizenship is open to anyone regardless of
ethnic heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation.' The only
restriction which exists in the Constitution is with regards to minors, however,
this is not really a restriction since they are capable of joining with parental
permission.

Vale, humbly,
Gn. Pompeius Magnus



"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> errr...It looks like I missed something importanant... Am I mistaken, or is
> there anybody in NR planning to accept in NR only people of certain ethnicity?
> And exclude people of "not proper" ethnicity, race, colour, etc.? Or may be
> they want to make a SLAVES out of us???
>
> I hoped this racist, fascist stuff would never arise in NR again... and
> therefore I joined her. Did I hope in vain?
>
> AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE ETIAM
> PROPRAETOR SARMATIAE PROVINCIAE
>
> LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
>
> VALETE IN PACE

Subject:	Re: names continued
From:	RCL <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034166018056078209025218055036129208" >lavenrc@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 23:39:44 +1100

Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:

> Whats your fault?

That the list of names on <a href="http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/names2.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/names2.html</a> is so
male orientated. When compiling the original list of praenomen, nomen, and
cognomen for that page (and discussing names in general) I mainly refered to the
structure of the male form of the Roman name. To be honest I know so little about
the names of Roman women that I felt it was wiser to avoid writing about a subject
that I knew nothing in.

I have found that generally when a Roman woman is addressed in the literature
(historical or contempary) she is usually referred by a single name. We know Mucia
as the wife of Pompey the Great and mother of Sextus Pompey; Julia is known as the
daughter of Caesar, wife of Pompey the Great, and died in 65 BCE; Cornelia was
Pompey the Great's wife at the time of his death, etc.

I can honestly say that I have yet to come across information on a Roman woman
that includes more than a few lines on who her father was, who she married, and
who her children were.

If anyone does have information on the structure of female names? If so I would be
interested in hearing about it.

Vale,
Gn. Pompeius Magnus

Subject:	Re: Roman citizenship (Historical)
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:45:04 YEKT

Well, actually I have already found the original Germanicus' message, so I'm
sorry for supposing such a stupid thing...

SARMATICUS


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>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Roman citizenship (Historical)
>Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 04:03:08 -0800 (PST)
>
>From: Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
>
>A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus said:
>
> > errr...It looks like I missed something importanant... Am
> > I mistaken, or is there anybody in NR planning to accept
> >in NR only people of certain ethnicity? And exclude
> >people of "not proper" ethnicity, race, colour, etc.?
>
>Since I think that most of our U.S. Nova Romans are still
>in bed, I will answer you:
>Yes, you did miss something, but its the opposite from what
>you think. Germanicus sent an email about how Nova Roma
>DOES NOT exclude anyone based on race, etc...
>No reason to worry!
>Diana Aventina
>
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Subject:	Re: Re: Nova Roma, was Re: JOIN OUR CAUSE!!!
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:37:40 EST

In a message dated 1/20/00 12:03:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> writes:

<< I'm a little tired, and
as a result, did not initially notice the words "norse heathen" in your
text. As critical (without much reason as to why) and curt as he is, we
should not be name calling. >>

Uh...Germanicus wasn't "name calling". A Norse Heathen is someone who
follows the tradition of the Icelandic, Germanic, Nordic Gods (i.e. Asatru).
Where in the Mediterranean followers of the pre-christian religions were
called "Pagan" (as coined by Emperor Julian), those in the North who did so
were called "Heathen".

You apparantly misunderstood Germanicus' point.

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Roman citizenship (Historical)
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:42:32 EST

I wish that people who take the time to read posts would actually read them.

No one was or is advocating racism, nationalism or other form of
discrimination to determine who is "Roman" in Nova Roma.

Germanicus was answering a post made by someone who seemed not to be a
citizen. And then someone else commented on how in Ancient Rome, citizenship
was not given to non-Romans (that is, those who were born in the City of
Rome) until some time later in Roman history.

Neither post advocated any form of racism, sexism, nationalism, or otherwise.

--Dexippus

In a message dated 1/20/00 5:58:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a> writes:

<< errr...It looks like I missed something importanant... Am I mistaken, or
is
there anybody in NR planning to accept in NR only people of certain
ethnicity? And exclude people of "not proper" ethnicity, race, colour, etc.?
Or may be they want to make a SLAVES out of us???

I hoped this racist, fascist stuff would never arise in NR again... and
therefore I joined her. Did I hope in vain? >>

Subject:	Re: Re: Nova Roma, was Re: JOIN OUR CAUSE!!!
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:45:49 EST

In a message dated 1/20/00 6:56:44 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a> writes:

<< Well said Germanicus!! Hear! Hear! Excellent email and all
that! >>

And of all the things to comment on in Germanicus' post, you chose that part
which mentions Wicca not having the "cornerstone on the tolerance market"?

Who hurt you baby? True...not all pagans are wiccans...not all tolerant
people are wiccan. Hell...not all wiccans are tolerant! But can we get off
the US vs. WICCA soapbox?

--Dexippus
Proud to be a Solitary Roman Eclectic Wiccan

Subject:	Gens Page Link Change Request
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:51:15 EST

I see the Gens Page is back up.

I need to request that the e-mail link under Gens Luciania be changed. I do
not use <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=081181242081209135169082190036" >vb123@--------</--------; for NR purposes.

Whoever is in charge of the web page, please change the e-mail link to
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=114056131009152219130232203140129208071" >dexippus@--------</--------;

Vale,

--Damianus Lucianus Dexippus
Paterfamilias, Gens Luciania
Augur, Nova Roma
Divus Maximus Extremus

Subject:	Attachments
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:53:13 -0500 (EST)

Salvete, Citizens;

I appreciate very much M. Fimbria re-posting the necessary information
regarding the subject topic. While I realize that the procedure can at
times be vexing, it seems that our Web-Mistress has given some thought
to the problems that face us on our primary means of communication. I
am pleased to see that kind of detailed consideration on the part of our
magistrates. I hope that the explanation provided and the alternates
paths mentioned will assist you in the continued enjoyment of the
internet and NovaRoma Onelist. I hope Fimbria's re-posting answers some
of the questions asked of myself in regards to the subject at hand.

Vale, Respectfully
Marcus Minucius Audens;
Consul

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: Digest Number 700
From:	"Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:02:09 GMT

Salvete Omnes

I want to thank Germanicus for his thoughtful reply to Mr. Fear. While my
primary interest in Nova Roma has always been the restoration of the
Religio, I know this is not the case with omnes cives. We are here for
various reasons, but somewhere in those reasons is a love for those things
that Roma Mater represented. That's all that really matters.

Valete

Lucina Iunia Cypria
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Subject:	Re: Re: Nova Roma, was Re: JOIN OUR CAUSE!!!
From:	"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:07:42 PST

Subject:	Pompeia Cornelia Strabo....Apologies
From:	"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:26:32 PST

Salve, Germanicus. I replied to your email last night regarding Mr. Fear's
evaluation of NovaRoma. I have been corrected to the effect that the "Norse
Heathen" you are referring to is infact YOU. I'm sorry, I thought you were
referrring to him in a discordant manner. I have copied this to onelist.
I do fear that in my zeal I have crammed both feet down my esophagus. I
humbly apologize for this, and otherwise, your position is very well stated.
I hope there are no hard feelings. Vale....Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
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Subject:	Re: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo....Apologies
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:46:34 EST

In a message dated 1/20/00 12:28:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> writes:

<< I have copied this to onelist.
I do fear that in my zeal I have crammed both feet down my esophagus. >>

LOL...try some BBQ sauce on those feet...they're easier to swallow! : )

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Roman citizenship (Historical)
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:58:53 -0500

Salvete Aule Artori et alii

I wouldn't worry about exclusion. Everyone seems to share the common
interest of bringing more, not less, people into Nova Roma. I haven't read
a single line anywhere here that would suggest that limiting citizenship on
any racial, ethnic or other grounds had even been brought up for discussion.

The subject of some of this thread, however, has been historical criteria
for Roman citizenship. And those criteria were, relative to say, modern US
criteria, pretty narrow and exclusionary. One could argue whether the
criteria remained relatively narrow and exclusionary after Caracalla's
edict, but, even if they did not, the segment of Roma's timeline remaining
thereafter is much smaller than that preceding. So it is accurate enough to
say that, for most of the Roman period, citizenship criteria were narrow and
exclusionary.

Valete

C Marius Merullus


>From: "A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a>
>
>errr...It looks like I missed something importanant... Am I mistaken, or is
>there anybody in NR planning to accept in NR only people of certain
>ethnicity? And exclude people of "not proper" ethnicity, race, colour,
etc.?
>Or may be they want to make a SLAVES out of us???
>
>I hoped this racist, fascist stuff would never arise in NR again... and
>therefore I joined her. Did I hope in vain?
>

Subject:	Welcome was Roman citizenship (Historical)
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:09:18 -0500

Salvete Gnaee Pompeie et alii

Welcome to Nova Roma. I hope that you find your experience here productive.

I am afraid that I might have butchered the declension of your name. Can
you help me out with the vocatives of Gnaeus and Pompeius? The i has a
consonantal quality to it that would seem to warrant exception from the
standard rule of dropping the us.

On the subject of names, why bother signing off "humbly" with a name like
Pompeius Magnus :)?

Valete

C Marius Merullus
kind of into trivial points of Latin grammar, as may be sort of evident from
this message



>From: RCL <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034166018056078209025218055036129208" >lavenrc@--------</a>
>

>
>Vale, humbly,
>Gn. Pompeius Magnus
>
>
>

Subject:	Re: Lectures on the Cult of Mithras-Attn Graecus
From:	Megas-Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:44:35 -0600

Hailsa Diana!

Diana Aventina wrote:
>
> From: Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
>
> Hi all,
> For some reason, the largest Asatru group in Belgium is
> hosting 2 lectures in a row on Roman subjects. (snip)
>
> Diana
>

I would posit that the Asatruar are hosting these lectures because
Allfather Odin enjoins us to seek knowledge everywhere.

In Frith - Piparskegg (Venator)

Subject:	Re: Nova Roma, was Re: JOIN OUR CAUSE!!!
From:	Megas-Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:04:50 -0600

Ave, Venator again

This one was to alt.religion.asatru exclusively.

Megas-Robinson wrote:
>
> Hailsa et Ave,
>
> Andy Fear wrote:
> >
> > Went there and noticed that NOVA ROMA has one of these regardless of...
> > clauses. Doesn't that just make it silly "wiccan" nonsense with knobs on?
> >
> > Andy
>
> Yes indeed, Nova Roma recognizes the cosmopolitan nature of the culture
> which they are using as the model for their own. There are indeed a few
> Wiccans in Nova Roma. But, the founders are both deeply religious: one
> a long time Roman Religionist from Maine, USA (can't really call him
> Pagan, as the Religio did become quite the Urban phenomenon) and the
> other a Heathen Gothi of a Kindred in New Jersey, USA.
>
> Where Nova Rome is dissimilar to Asatru is obvious, as is the similitude
> - a respect for literacy, history and Faith. Like other
> "Retro-Heathen/Pagan" religions, Nove Roma seeks to re-create the
> Religio based on the available documentary and archaeological evidences,
> as in formed by thought and inspiration.
>
> The accepting nature of Nova Roma is a reflection of the socially
> liberal, 20th century sensibilities of the founders and the first crew
> of citizens.
>
> A large portion of the membership is composed of military and naval
> veterans (ooh, another similarity to mine own Faith Community).
>
> You gotta look to forming Faith Communities which are bringing all
> European Peoples back to their Heritages, diverse as that might be.
>
> Nuff said,
>
> In Frith - Piparskegg
>
> Afterword - B.L.H., Bodvarr, Dirk - thanks for the kind words.

Subject:	Re: Nova Roma, was Re: JOIN OUR CAUSE!!!
From:	Megas-Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:21:38 -0600

Avete Omnes,

Venator scripsit,

Here's a copy of a post I sent in regards to the above thread. I didn't
CC this list, as I'll defend friends anytime I see a need.

Megas-Robinson wrote:
>
> Hailsan Allir Pagani!
>
> (Headers trimmed)
>
> cqabug wrote:
> >
> > Welcome to the world of the lunatic fringe!
> >
> > Ad Jesum per Mariam,
> >
> > Carlque
> >
> > Robert S----------------<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=194059020078017198036061175248231208071048" >rs------------------------</a> wrote --------rt--------
> > <6U%d4.39$<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=251064229153235057081218066036129208" >Vd.1528@--------</a>... > > > Name: Robert Silveira, PONTIFEX MAXIMUS(snippage)
>
> If anyone has an interest in an organization which is trying to
> (sanely) revitalize the pre-Christian Roman Religion as a large part of
> its reason d'etre, please visit <a href="http://www.novaroma.org/main.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/main.html</a>
> I am an Asatruar, but these good people have accepted me as a Citizen,
> and have elected me one of their officers for the year. The Roman
> Religionists are honest and honorable in intent, plus care deeply for
> the historical significance of what they are doing.
>
> I hope this is of use to someone.
>
> May the Blessings of All Holy Ones continue for All herein.
>
> In Frith, under Troth to the Holy Aesir and Vanir
> --- Piparskegg UllRsson Veithmathur
> AKA Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator

Subject:	About the Gens Link...
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:41:11 EST

Salve everyone,

Like Dexippus, I was curious about the exisiting Gens page. A thanks to
whoever to posted the new address. But I am a little curious as to why only
the Mater/Pater of the Gens were listed and not the other members? Does
anyone have an answer to this question??

Vale
Avalonia

Subject:	Re: Gens Page Link Change Request
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:53:01 EST

Salvete omnes!

I too would like to have my address on the gens list (Gens Marcia (sic!))
ch--------d to <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=085056131063158209025056228219114253071048139" >RexM--------us@--------</--------;, --------he --------ess now posted is reserved for
special e-mails only.

Under the Lex Cornelia de privatus rebus, I humbly believe that I can even
claim a right that this kind of information, which was only provided by me to
the Censors in my citizenship application, is to be removed.

I therefore ask the Censors, which I believe are responsible for the
maintaining of the lists to please make the necessary changes as early as
possible.

With sincere respect

Marcus Marcius Rex
Cives Novae Romae

Subject:	Re: About the Gens Link...
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:54:55 EST

In a message dated 1/20/00 2:45:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137028113185078198113149000077114253071048139" >Cy--------Rose@--------</--------; writes:

<< Like Dexippus, I was curious about the exisiting Gens page. A thanks to
whoever to posted the new address. But I am a little curious as to why only
the Mater/Pater of the Gens were listed and not the other members? Does
anyone have an answer to this question?? >>

Whoever is the keeper of the Gens page, please e-mail me.

The page lists another e-mail for contacting me as Paterfamilias (I'd rather
not use the one listed on the page) nor does it list my Gens' Patron Deities.

Please e-mail me to fix this.

Thanks,

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Roman citizenship (Historical)
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:17:44 -0500

Salvete Fimbria et alii

I wasn't criticizing our spiritual ancestors at all. I was merely pointing
out for Sarmaticus the reason for discussion of exclusion in the thread,
that the exclusion applied to Roma Antiqua and did not constitute anyone's
proposal to be more exclusive about citizenship in Nova Roma.


>From: Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
>

>
>Perhaps they were; but judged by the standards of their own time (the
>only really fair and scholarly way to do it),

Well, I have abandoned, I guess, any aspirations to be especially fair, let
alone scholarly. I was just trying to clarify something in simple language.
Oh well.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

Subject:	Re: names continued
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:15:09 -0800

Yeah, the first link I posted. www.novaroma.org/via romana/names.html will have all
of the information about female names. :)

Sulla Felix
Censor

RCL wrote:

> From: RCL <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034166018056078209025218055036129208" >lavenrc@--------</a>
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
>
> > Whats your fault?
>
> That the list of names on <a href="http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/names2.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/names2.html</a> is so
> male orientated. When compiling the original list of praenomen, nomen, and
> cognomen for that page (and discussing names in general) I mainly refered to the
> structure of the male form of the Roman name. To be honest I know so little about
> the names of Roman women that I felt it was wiser to avoid writing about a subject
> that I knew nothing in.
>
> I have found that generally when a Roman woman is addressed in the literature
> (historical or contempary) she is usually referred by a single name. We know Mucia
> as the wife of Pompey the Great and mother of Sextus Pompey; Julia is known as the
> daughter of Caesar, wife of Pompey the Great, and died in 65 BCE; Cornelia was
> Pompey the Great's wife at the time of his death, etc.
>
> I can honestly say that I have yet to come across information on a Roman woman
> that includes more than a few lines on who her father was, who she married, and
> who her children were.
>
> If anyone does have information on the structure of female names? If so I would be
> interested in hearing about it.
>
> Vale,
> Gn. Pompeius Magnus
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Subject:	Welcome to Nova Roma!!
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:16:25 -0500 (EST)

Salve,

Welcome to Nova Roma! I am pleased to be able to welcome all newcomers
to the micronation. If you have not already done so, please review our
web-page as there is much there to learn about us, and a thorough
pre-reading will lead to a better understanding of who we are and what
we are.

There are all kinds of people here, and they represent many different
aspects and interests of Roman life and culture. We hope that you will
enjoy your stay with us, come back often and share those things that you
value with those of us who have similar interests.

Vale, Respectfully
Marcus Minucius Audens
Consul

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: About the Gens Link...
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:35:13 -0800

Dex e-mail <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=137056234112193209090218066036129208" >Ce--------s@--------</a> I am very busy updati--------verythi--------ut if you
send an e-mail, I will get it and correct it. That also goes with everyone. If
you see correctio--------lease e-mail <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=137056234112193209090218066036129208" >Ce--------s@--------</a>.

Sulla Felix
Censors

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:

> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
>
> In a message dated 1/20/00 2:45:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=137028113185078198113149000077114253071048139" >Cy--------Rose@--------</--------; writes:
>
> << Like Dexippus, I was curious about the exisiting Gens page. A thanks to
> whoever to posted the new address. But I am a little curious as to why only
> the Mater/Pater of the Gens were listed and not the other members? Does
> anyone have an answer to this question?? >>
>
> Whoever is the keeper of the Gens page, please e-mail me.
>
> The page lists another e-mail for contacting me as Paterfamilias (I'd rather
> not use the one listed on the page) nor does it list my Gens' Patron Deities.
>
> Please e-mail me to fix this.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Dexippus
>
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Subject:	Welcome To Nova Roma
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:29:17 -0500 (EST)

Salve, Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus;

I am always pleased to greet new members to Nova Roma. If you have not
aready done so, I recommend that you review our excellent website, as it
will reveal much of who we are and what we are as well as how we do
things to a new Member.

We have many people here with a variety of interests in a great variety
of aspects of Roman life and cultue. We hope that you will enjoy your
stay with us, return often, enter into our programs and voice your ideas
here on our main concourse of communication.

Vale, Rspectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
Consul

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: NovaRoma/JOIN OUR CAUSE!
From:	"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:40:37 PST

Salvete!

Interesting cross-post (and a dam' good reply) from Flavius Vedius
Germanicus, on this peculiar comment:

> > Went there and noticed that NOVA ROMA has one of these regardless of...
> > clauses. Doesn't that just make it silly "wiccan" nonsense with knobs
>on?

- I see the terminological goalposts have moved. The big, bad
purity-threatening adjectives to the ideologically constipated used to be
"cosmopolitan", "liberal", "bourgeois", or "jewish". Now, evidently, it's
"Wiccan". I've been called some diverse things in my time, but nobody ever
tried to insult me by calling me a Wiccan before...

Valete bene,

Vado.


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Subject:	Re: Gens Page Link Change Request
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:02:23 EST

In a message dated 1/20/00 2:55:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=085056131063158209025056228219114253071048139" >RexM--------us@--------</--------; writes:

<< Under the Lex Cornelia de privatus rebus, I humbly believe that I can even
claim a right that this kind of information, which was only provided by me
to
the Censors in my citizenship application, is to be removed.

I therefore ask the Censors, which I believe are responsible for the
maintaining of the lists to please make the necessary changes as early as
possible. >>

I will second that!

--Dexippus

Subject:	Re: Re: NovaRoma/JOIN OUR CAUSE!
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:06:52 EST

In a message dated 1/20/00 4:43:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> writes:

<< I've been called some diverse things in my time, but nobody ever
tried to insult me by calling me a Wiccan before... >>

I'm a Wiccan...he's a Wiccan...she's a Wiccan...we're a Wiccan...wouldn't you
like to be a Wiccan too!?!

--Dexippus
Roman Eclectic Wiccan

Subject:	Re: Re: NovaRoma/JOIN OUR CAUSE!
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:57:03 -0800

Vado, you are saying something that I've been thinking for some time
now.

Nicolaus Moravius wrote:
[snip]

> > > Went there and noticed that NOVA ROMA has one of these
> regardless of...
> > > clauses. Doesn't that just make it silly "wiccan" nonsense with
> knobs
> >on?
>
> - I see the terminological goalposts have moved. The big, bad
> purity-threatening adjectives to the ideologically constipated used
> to be
> "cosmopolitan", "liberal", "bourgeois", or "jewish". Now, evidently,
> it's
> "Wiccan". I've been called some diverse things in my time, but
> nobody ever
> tried to insult me by calling me a Wiccan before...

I have been seeing a number of comments about Wicca and Wiccan where
it could be thenew word to enter into the blank labeled "the group to
persecute". Wiccan, Negro, Jew,
Hayseed, etc. It demonstrates the weakness and instability of the ego
concerned when
it needs to attack those who are not hurting it. Especially when the
target is fairly inoffensive.
As Dexippus Magnus said, "Who hurt you baby?"

BTW... What is "with knobs on it" supposed to communicate?

Ericius.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Subject:	Re: Missing Attachments
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:20:12 -0800

I am in favor of attachments being allowed, enabled, ... whatever.
The files Fimbria has mentioned, on the Onelist site, are quite nice
and useful, but they do not have the flexibility of just plain
attaching something. I have used the Onelist thing. It is
interesting. It is also a hassel when all you want to do is do a
quick show and tell. It is good for "permanent" offerings. Note,
that once you put something in one of the Onelist folders, you are the
only one who can change or delete it (you and the list boss, I would
assume). So Everything that is put there, stays there. And it all
keeps on adding up. It is already showing signs of what a grab bag it
could turn into if it was used for everything. this includes
forwarding posts from other sources. And one would still have to flag
everybody on the list to go look at the Onelist folder file thing.
With Attachments being once again allowed in our Forum of the List we
can share small things. From a piece of text from somewhere to a
website link that might have some new discovery. Yes, yes. There is
also a part of the Onelist folder setup that is especially for web
sites. What I said above still applies. When I first saw the thing
about the Roman lady's coffin found in Britannia I was able to go
right to the site that had the news item, then follow that to the
museum site that had more in depth material. All with the simple
click of the mouse. Easy. Convenient. That is the word... *
Convenient *. But things will be as those who do the things decide.
Certainly with due consideration. =({:-) I wish to make a point of
extending to Fimbria my appreciation for all the work and time (blood,
sweat and tears?!?) that has gone into and will go into the doing of
that job.
Cheers!
Ericius.



Marius Fimbria wrote:

> From: Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
>
> Salvete, Quirites...
>
> I reckon it's time to repost this; it's the original announcement I
> made last August to inform subscribers of the List's new attributes
> and
> features. But first, a little history by way of explanation...
>
> I specifically disallowed attachments to be posted directly to the
> List
> for two reasons: One, many systems and some Internet services have
> trouble handling attachments to e-mail; and Two, ONElist has
> provided
> each community (E-List) with its own Shared Files area, which serves
>
> that purpose more than adequately.
>
> On reason #1, we have in the past received messages with very large
> attachments; multiple attachments; multiple large attachments; and,
> in
> one important instance, a virus. Any or all of these were crashing
> peoples' computers on the receiving end...not to mention the
> nuisance
> of messages composed in Netscape or Outlook, where every message is
> repeated in HTML unless the user instructs the program to do
> otherwise... I decided in favor of safety, ease-of-use for the
> widest
> variety of systems, and lack of clutter.
>
> As to reason #2, the NovaRoma Shared Files area is accessible by any
>
> subscriber with a Web browser; I've set up three folders [Documents,
>
> Graphics, and Miscellaneous] for our members' use. Anyone who wants
> to
> upload a file, can; anyone who wants to view it need only go to the
> appropriate folder and click on the filename; and those who are not
> interested in attachments are spared having them dumped in their
> Inboxes and possibly triggering virus alerts or causing a system
> crash.
>
> I highly encourage Listmembers to visit the Shared Files area, and
> to
> upload anything they think might be of interest to the rest of the
> List. (Senator Ericius just contributed several very nice images a
> couple of days ago!)
>
> So now ya know.
>
> The following explains Shared Files and several other List features
> which may be useful, handy or otherwise of interest.
>
> <---- Begin Forwarded Message ---->
> Date: 15 Aug 1999 07:16:21 -0000
> To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> From: <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
> Subject: [novaroma] Changes to NovaRoma List
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> As Curator Sermonem (List moderator), I have made a few changes to
> the
> attributes and features of the NovaRoma List. With one exception,
> most
> of these should not affect anyone's daily posting. On the contrary,
>
> I've enabled some new features which I think you'll enjoy or that
> will
> come in handy!
>
> The major difference for day-to-day purposes is that attachments may
> no
> longer be posted directly to the List. However, if you go to the
> List
> Center on ONElist.com [URL:
>
> <<a href="http://onelist.com/community/novaroma" target="_top" >http://onelist.com/community/novaroma</a>> ],
>
> there is now a Shared Files directory where you may upload
> documents,
> graphics, and anything else you've just gotta share with your
> fellow-
> Citizens. This directory is open to subscribers only.
>
> Also in the List Center is our community Calendar. Any subscriber
> may
> enter an event on the Calendar; this should come in handy for
> planning
> all the face-to-face get-togethers so many of us have in the works!
>
> There's even a Bookmarks section, if you want to submit your
> favorite
> Web sites for the enjoyment or education of other Citizens.
>
> I've made our List archives, previously available only to
> subscribers,
> open to the public; this way, prospective newbies who are cruising
> the
> ONElist site can get a sampling of the kinds of discussions we have
> here. We've had some debate in the past about how 'open' our E-List
>
> should be to newcomers and non-Citizens; the consensus being that we
>
> should remain so, I thought this would be a step in the right
> direction... (If enough of you tell me you think this is a
> massively
> bad idea, I can always change it back.)
>
> The greatest thing about the features of the List Center is that you
>
> can access them from any Web-capable computer. You can even post a
> message to the List without being anywhere near the system where you
>
> usually receive List mail! I have posted a few things from my work
> machine and I love it.
>
> So drop by the List Center and check out all the cool options! Let
> me know what you think!
>



Diana Aventina wrote:

> From: Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
>
> > This seems to be another example of how the new Onelist
> > is chopping up our communications.
> > Audens, Consul et amice, there was no "enclosed message"
> > with what I received from you.
>
> There is an option on Onelist for attachments. I have
> forgotten who our Nova Roma list administrator is (and the
> Roman title for it-sorry) but all she/he has to do is go
> into the <a href="http://www.onelist.com" target="_top" >http://www.onelist.com</a> , Options,Edit and change
> to "leave attachments"
> Bright Blessings
> Diana Aventina
>
>
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Subject:	Re: Re: Nova Roma, was Re: JOIN OUR CAUSE!!!
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:21:27 -0500

Salve,

The thread was going around in alt.religion.asatru for the last couple of
days (I think the original message was cross-posted in a BUNCH of pagan
newsgroups, but I've no idea if the discussion was cross-posted too). I just
noticed it myself, actually. Our own Ullerius has been participating before
me...

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus

----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma, was Re: JOIN OUR CAUSE!!!


> From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
> Germancius where did this article come from....specifically what
newsgroup?
>
> Sulla Felix
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:
>
> > From: "Flavius Vedius Germa--------s" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a> > >
> > Heilsa,
> >
> > (I'm cross-posting this to the Nova Roma email list, because I think
this is
> > a discussion they might want to be in on.)
> >
> > Andy Fear <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=219128113139178135213082190036" >cla04@--------</a> wrote in message
> > news:85mrp3$pj4$2@--------
> > >
> > > Went there and noticed that NOVA ROMA has one of these regardless
of...
> > > clauses. Doesn't that just make it silly "wiccan" nonsense with knobs
on?
> >
> > As one of the co-founders of Nova Roma, as well as a historical
> > reconstructionist Norse Heathen, I'd like to address this particular
issue.
> > I believe that Mr. Fear is referring to Paragraph II.A.3 of Nova Roma's
> > Constitution, which states "Citizenship is open to anyone regardless of
> > ethnic heritage, gender, religious affiliation, or sexual orientation."
> >
> > The inclusion clause on the Nova Roman web site is there for a variety
of
> > reasons. First, Nova Roma is not exclusively a pagan organization. While
the
> > restoration of the Religio Romana is a central theme of Nova Roma, there
are
> > a variety of non-religious activities that are undertaken under its
banner.
> > Studies of Roman history and culture, historical reenactments, and the
> > restoration of the Roman Republican form of government rest proudly
among
> > them. Plus, it should be remembered that the Romans were, if anything,
> > religiously syncretic. They did not obliterate the native religions of
the
> > peoples they conquered; they joined them with their own. Religious
tolerance
> > was the norm, as long as those religions were themselves tolerant.
> >
> > Too, Roman citizenship was not exclusively for people originating from
the
> > Eternal City, even in its earliest history. Citizenship was historically
> > open to peoples from all lands, and it would have been extremely odd for
> > Nova Roma-- which is an attempt to recreate the society of the Roman
> > Republic-- to suddenly decide to limit Citizenship to people of a
particular
> > ethnic or national origin. The same goes for gender or sexual
orientation;
> > the ancient Romans had their own morals regarding homosexuality, and
were
> > generally tolerant of such behavior. It would have been abberant of us
_not_
> > to be inclusive, since the ancient Romans were so inclusive.
> >
> > I think in the context of Folkish Heathenry, what should be remembered
is
> > that not all "Folks" are alike; what is "Folkish" for one "Folk" may not
be
> > "Folkish" for another. Wicca doesn't have a corner on the tolerance
market,
> > and all who are tolerant of others aren't necessarily Wiccan.
> >
> > In frith,
> >
> > Ślfgrim goši
> >
> > Gers Ey Gošorš
> > <a href="http://www.gersey.org" target="_top" >http://www.gersey.org</a>
> >
> > (Or, for my Nova Roman friends...)
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Flavius Vedius Germanicus,
> > Censor, Senator et Augur
> >
> > Nova Roma
> > <a href="http://www.novaroma.org" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org</a>
> >
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<--------lass="msghead"> labienus &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=034166250009056116130232203056129208071" &g--------bienus@--------&l--------&g--------td>

Subject:	Re: Missing Attachments
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:30:00 -0600

Salvete


> I am in favor of attachments being allowed, enabled, ... whatever.

Allow me to add my vote to that of Ericius. However, I understand
Fimbria's argument that allowing attachments will open the door for
overly-large e-mails to find their way onto this list. I suggest that a
list policy restricting the size of e-mails to something reasonable
(60-100Kb?) be made and published. Anyone who sends egregiously large
attachments can then be justly rebuked and/or punished by the Curator
Sermo.

Valete,
T Labienus Fortunatus

Subject:	Re: Missing Attachments
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:30:19 -0800

A comment on the last part of this...

labienus wrote:

&g--------From: labienus &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=034166250009056116130232203056129208071" &g--------bienus@--------&l--------&g--------fon--------r> >
> Salvete
>
>
> > I am in favor of attachments being allowed, enabled, ... whatever.
>
> Allow me to add my vote to that of Ericius. However, I understand
> Fimbria's argument that allowing attachments will open the door for
> overly-large e-mails to find their way onto this list. I suggest
> that a
> list policy restricting the size of e-mails to something reasonable
> (60-100Kb?) be made and published.

This part...-------->

> Anyone who sends egregiously large
> attachments can then be justly rebuked and/or punished by the
> Curator Sermo.

This would give more work to Fimbria. And while Fimbria's time as a
D.I.has provided the skills for rebuking, I have been informed that
that is not
one of the skills Fimbria enjoys trotting out. Trotting out, in
itself, is one of the
enjoyed skills.

Maybe we will be able to reach a solution that will achieve the main
goals,
one of which is to keep Fimbria's job at an even level of caca.

Ericius.


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Subject:	Julian's song
From:	Pat Washburn <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:34:50 -0500

Cassius found this on the Julian list, forwarded from soc.culture.greek,
and I thought it might be interesting for those of us who would dearly
love to hear what ancient music sounded like. I hope someone has the
sense to record the thing for those of us who won't be in Europe to hear
it!

>Athens News Agency: Daily News Bulletin in English, 00-01-19
>
> [23] Roman emperor's poem set to music to premiere revival of ancient
> instrument
>
> Athens, 19/01/2000 (ANA)
>
> Setting an ancient poem, by a Roman emperor no less, to music is an arduous
> artistic accomplishment in itself -- using that composition to present an
> ancient musical instrument to contemporary audiences, though, ranks as a
> unique exercise in blending ancient history and archaeology with modern
> musicology.
>
> The ambitious work has been underway for quite some time by Greek composer
> Giorgos Kouroupas, who plans on premiering his musical score based on a poem
> written some 1,600 years ago by Roman emperor Julian the Apostate using the
> "Hydraulis", an instrument resembling a crude form of today's church organ
> and comprised of wooden keys and vertically arranged pipes.
>
> Fittingly, Julian's poem is a hymn to the musical instrument in
> general, not that the controversial late Roman era emperor's artistic
> achievements did much to endear him to ecclesiastical leaders in the
> centuries to come. Julian, dubbed the "Apostate", was bent on restricting
> Christianity in the empire's realm. He was a vehement proponent of the
> ancient Greco-Roman pantheon, literature and civilization, although he's
> been given more compassionate treatment by contemporary historians.
>
> "It's a primitive organ in relation to today's (instruments). It has a
> relatively weak sound, it's very cumbersome, it can't rapidly perform pieces
> in a virtuoso manner. Additionally, it features a continuous sound produced
> from the pipe. Its abilities, therefore, are rather limited," Kouroupas says
> of the harpsichord-like instrument in a feature story published in the
> Tuesday edition of the Athens daily "Ta Nea".
>
> "On the other hand, the beauty of the sound and its emotional weight create
> a lovely aura...making this difficulty an interesting undertaking, where you
> can exhaust the limits of your imagination," he adds from his Athens studio.
>
> The European Cultural Centre at Delphi will organize the ancient "Hydraulis"
> presentation during events in Greece and western Europe. In early March, it
> will premier at Amsterdam's Persson museum as part of an exhibition on
> ancient musical instruments, followed by a mid March appearance at Oxford.
> On June 25 the instrument and the musical score will be unveiled at the
> Hanover Expo 2000, part of the "Greece Day" series of events. The next stop
> is Stockholm in the autumn.
>
> The genesis of the revival of the ancient instrument began in August 1992
> with the discovery of the upper half of a "Hydraulis", dated to the 1st
> century BC, at the Dion archaeological site in northern Greece. In early
> 1995, the Delphi center, supported by the Greek culture ministry, commenced
> a research project aimed at building a replica of the Dion "Hydraulis" -
> which sported bronze pipes instead of cane ones. The efforts paid off in May
> 1999 with the creation of the third and final model of the "Hydraulis".
>
>


Patricia Cassia . Quaestor, Nova Roma
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>