| Subject: |
Re: Senate Agenda posted! |
| From: |
"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:05:47 YEKT |
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> >Item the fifth.
> >That we impose a due structure on the citizens of Nova Roma. While I
> >realize, conscript fathers, that this measure will be unpopular, will not
> >pass on the first attempt, and will cause a major restructure in Roma's
> >charter, I am still committed to it.
> >Why? Because if we are ever to accomplish the goals stated by Nova Roma
>in
> >our literature we need more the 600.00 per year. We need 6 times that in
>a
> >year. I have done an unofficial survey, and most citizens seem to be in
> >favor of it provided the money is used to accomplish Nova Roma's goals,
>and
> >not line our pockets.
> >I know there is no danger of that. We are all honorable men.
Salvete omnes,
Something tells me ;-) this idea wouldn't seem good enough for many
easterneuropean citizens of NR, take me as an example…
What taxes? Income tax? How than one to control (check) an income of NR
citizens, from Sarmatia e.g.? Even my own state doesn't know my real incomes
so far;-). (The same problem as the checking candidates' for magistrates
real ege). Or establish an equal due for everyone, independently of one's
income? But this seems to even more unfair than income tax. Many other
questions appear too.
Probably a kind of voluntary fee one can indeed afford would be better?
Respectfully,
AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE ETIAM
PROPRAETOR SARMATIAE PROVINCIAE
LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
VALETE IN PACE
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| Subject: |
Re: Articles of Incorporation and Senate Agenda posted! |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:37:22 -0500 |
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Salvete Aule Artori et alii
Good points. It is important to realize, too, that an imposition of a tax
may not only be less than universally fair, but, I believe, a short-sighted
road to a smaller treasury for Nova Roma. Because I believe that not you
only would rather fund NR with voluntary donations, but the majority of
potential citizens out in the world too.
The critical thing is for those of us who can afford to contribute, to
contribute.
Have the Articles been mailed/submitted yet?
Valete
C Marius Merullus
>From: "A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a>
>
>
>
>Probably a kind of voluntary fee one can indeed afford would be better?
>
>Respectfully,
>
>AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS, CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE ETIAM
>PROPRAETOR SARMATIAE PROVINCIAE
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Erasmus Guild |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
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| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:40:21 -0500 (EST) |
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Salve, Dear Lady;
I wish to thank you for your very kind recogniton of the proposd Thank
You Letter. The one I posted was just an informal note written at the
time of the offer. The proposed "Letter of Thank You" would be a more
extensive and official affair posted on the "Floor of the Senate" for
review and sent only with the positive vote of the Senate, as placed
before them for decision.
In regard to the proposed position of "princeps senatus", I wish to
thank you very much for your recommendation. Just to be considered in
company with Germanicus, Palladius, and Julianus is a reward in and of
itself. I thank you again most deeply for your post as it has certainly
made my day. However, looking at the situation in a clear light, this
position would be one of great honor and dignius. It will also be one
of great personal sacrifce and accomplishment, and I simply do not
qualify in either of those areas, in anywhere near the same degree as
any of the other three so named. I therefore make this announcement
that, I would not consider my nomination for that position to be
equitable at this time, for the reasons stated above.
Further, for the reasons stated above, I believe that the "Princeps
Senatus" should be, as Senator Ericius has mentioned, chosen under the
old attributes of honor, dignity and accomplishment, and I would be most
pleased to nominate any one of the above named three colleagues, or all
of them, to a selection by the Senate for that singular honor. To me,
all of the above named personages have been a great pleasure to work and
associate with, and I would be proud to be asked to initiate such an
honor.
Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Senate Item #5 |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:17:44 PST |
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Salvete!
Sarmaticus' observations on taxation raise some important issues: firstly,
is it right and just to tax all peoples in all provinces equally, regardless
of their respective ability to pay, and regardless of their stake in Nova
Roma?
As I have said before, native English-speakers stand to derive the greatest
benefit from citizenship, at least potentially. They tend also to be, in
global terms, comparatively wealthy. Justice, therefore, dictates that they
should pay more.
Secondly, I feel that a moratorium on membership fees in new Provinciae
(such as Sarmatia and Germania) for, say, the first two years of their
existence, might well help them to grow.
Valete bene,
N. Moravius Vado.
>Something tells me ;-) this idea wouldn't seem good enough for many
>easterneuropean citizens of NR, take me as an example…
>What taxes? Income tax? How than one to control (check) an income of NR
>citizens, from Sarmatia e.g.? Even my own state doesn't know my real
>incomes
>so far;-). (The same problem as the checking candidates' for magistrates
>real ege). Or establish an equal due for everyone, independently of one's
>income? But this seems to even more unfair than income tax. Many other
>questions appear too.
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Senate Item #5 |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:20:44 EST |
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Um...sorry...I don't know how late into the discussion I'm jumping in...but...
I am absolutely opposed to any "taxation" differentiation. This thread comes
up every now and then and I don't really know where we have left off before.
If NR is going to charge citizens "dues" (call it a "tax" if you want), it
should be a flat tax for everyone and not based upon where you live or how
much money you make.
I believe when this last was brought up, someone suggested $12 per year based
on a $1 per month dues structure. I don't think the poorest of us should
have a problem with that.
-Damianus Lucianus Dexippus
Paterfamilias Gens Luciania
Augur, Nova Roma
In a message dated 1/26/00 1:19:28 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> writes:
<<
Salvete!
Sarmaticus' observations on taxation raise some important issues: firstly,
is it right and just to tax all peoples in all provinces equally, regardless
of their respective ability to pay, and regardless of their stake in Nova
Roma?
As I have said before, native English-speakers stand to derive the greatest
benefit from citizenship, at least potentially. They tend also to be, in
global terms, comparatively wealthy. Justice, therefore, dictates that they
should pay more.
Secondly, I feel that a moratorium on membership fees in new Provinciae
(such as Sarmatia and Germania) for, say, the first two years of their
existence, might well help them to grow.
Valete bene,
N. Moravius Vado. >>
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| Subject: |
Senate Item #5 |
| From: |
"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:49:07 PST |
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I am in favour of the passing of a set "per annum" dues for civites. This
is not to say that certain moratoriums, and exemptions cannot also be passed
by the Senate in the case of extenuating circumstances, ie new provinciae,
civites with serious financial problems,those residing in parts of the world
with less equitable economies. The republic needs a dependable income to
meet their (our) needs. The difficulty I have with just inviting donations
is that the income received would be varied and highly unpredictable. It
would be difficult, if not impossible, for the magistrates to draw up an
accurate operating budget on an unknown income. Vale....Pompeia Cornelia
Strabo
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| Subject: |
Re: Senate Item #5 |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:58:50 EST |
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Having a dependable income for NR activities is fine. But we should not
charge (tax) citizens differently based upon their geographic location.
I can understand the concern that U.S. residents would probably receive more
benefit than say some citizen in Australia. I would therefore recommend that
Provincea be ordered into some kind of Province-Block and that block
establish an appropriate tax for that block's citizens to be used for that
block's purposes. In that way, citizens of each local would directly benefit
from their "tax". And if a certain provincia desides that no tax is needed
for their particular block at this time, then no tax is extended to those
citizens.
--Dexippus
In a message dated 1/26/00 2:50:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> writes:
<< I am in favour of the passing of a set "per annum" dues for civites. This
is not to say that certain moratoriums, and exemptions cannot also be passed
by the Senate in the case of extenuating circumstances, ie new provinciae,
civites with serious financial problems,those residing in parts of the world
with less equitable economies. The republic needs a dependable income to
meet their (our) needs. The difficulty I have with just inviting donations
is that the income received would be varied and highly unpredictable. It
would be difficult, if not impossible, for the magistrates to draw up an
accurate operating budget on an unknown income. Vale....Pompeia Cornelia
Strabo >>
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Senate Item #5 |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:50:54 -0800 |
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Nicolaus Moravius wrote:
> From: "Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
>
> Salvete!
>
> Sarmaticus' observations on taxation raise some important issues: firstly,
> is it right and just to tax all peoples in all provinces equally, regardless
> of their respective ability to pay, and regardless of their stake in Nova
> Roma?
>
> As I have said before, native English-speakers stand to derive the greatest
> benefit from citizenship, at least potentially. They tend also to be, in
> global terms, comparatively wealthy. Justice, therefore, dictates that they
> should pay more.
>
> Secondly, I feel that a moratorium on membership fees in new Provinciae
> (such as Sarmatia and Germania) for, say, the first two years of their
> existence, might well help them to grow.
>
Salve, in the tax legislation that Q. Fabius, Audens and myself proposed to Nova
Roma last year there was a moratorium for a year on it. Also, there were
exemptions as well.
In addition to that. Please bear in mind it was for only 15.00 a year and it
included the Eagle. So we are only talking about the price of a pizza. :) In
other words, a moderate tax. :)
L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
>
> Valete bene,
>
> N. Moravius Vado.
>
> >Something tells me ;-) this idea wouldn't seem good enough for many
> >easterneuropean citizens of NR, take me as an example…
> >What taxes? Income tax? How than one to control (check) an income of NR
> >citizens, from Sarmatia e.g.? Even my own state doesn't know my real
> >incomes
> >so far;-). (The same problem as the checking candidates' for magistrates
> >real ege). Or establish an equal due for everyone, independently of one's
> >income? But this seems to even more unfair than income tax. Many other
> >questions appear too.
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Senate Item #5 |
| From: |
"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jan 2000 12:54:32 PST |
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There is no doubt that there are many variables (anticipated and
nonanticipated) to be ironed out in the levying of per annum. The list of
"extenuating circumstances" in my last letter is by no means comprehensive.
It seems to me, we will have to start somewhere. My proposal is to try to
amend that "start" to make the system as fair and financially equitable as
possible, not to "tax by Geographic location" per se. The main point is, in
my view, that we need to pass a nominal per annun to provide a dependable
income for NR administration, as opposed to relying on the unpredictable
income of donations. Vale ....Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Senate Item #5
>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:58:50 EST
>
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------;
>
>Having a dependable income for NR activities is fine. But we should not
>charge (tax) citizens differently based upon their geographic location.
>
>I can understand the concern that U.S. residents would probably receive
>more
>benefit than say some citizen in Australia. I would therefore recommend
>that
>Provincea be ordered into some kind of Province-Block and that block
>establish an appropriate tax for that block's citizens to be used for that
>block's purposes. In that way, citizens of each local would directly
>benefit
>from their "tax". And if a certain provincia desides that no tax is needed
>for their particular block at this time, then no tax is extended to those
>citizens.
>
>--Dexippus
>
>In a message dated 1/26/00 2:50:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
><a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> writes:
>
><< I am in favour of the passing of a set "per annum" dues for civites.
>This
> is not to say that certain moratoriums, and exemptions cannot also be
>passed
> by the Senate in the case of extenuating circumstances, ie new
>provinciae,
> civites with serious financial problems,those residing in parts of the
>world
> with less equitable economies. The republic needs a dependable income to
> meet their (our) needs. The difficulty I have with just inviting
>donations
> is that the income received would be varied and highly unpredictable. It
> would be difficult, if not impossible, for the magistrates to draw up an
> accurate operating budget on an unknown income. Vale....Pompeia Cornelia
> Strabo >>
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Senate Item #5 |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:06:54 EST |
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Salvete!
Here here Sulla! But you are wrong on one point, $15.00 is a small
tax, not moderate :) I think that there is no doubt that if our great
Republic is to expand to anything beyond an online role-playing game, She
definately needs some steady income. I would have no problem with paying a
tax of $1 $2 $3 dollars a month if it would help the expansion of Nova Roma.
For the Senate and the Roman People,
Drusus Cornelius Claudius
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Senate Item #5 |
| From: |
| Date: |
Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:23:20 -0500 |
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It's been a while since I posted, but I thought that I would put
in my word of agreement here. In fact, I have lately been
thinking that I need to be more involved with Nova Roma, and I
think the least I can do is make a donation, even before a tax is
imposed.
Ursula Numeria Fortunata
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------; wrote:
>
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------;
>
> Salvete!
> Here here Sulla! But you are wrong on one point, $15.00 is a small
> tax, not moderate :) I think that there is no doubt that if our great
> Republic is to expand to anything beyond an online role-playing game, She
> definately needs some steady income. I would have no problem with paying a
> tax of $1 $2 $3 dollars a month if it would help the expansion of Nova Roma.
>
> For the Senate and the Roman People,
> Drusus Cornelius Claudius
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