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Subject:	Sin and Rome
From:	RCL <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034166018056078209025218055036129208" >lavenrc@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:14:16 +1100

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:

> I've never come across "sin" except in terms of Judeo-Christian-Muslim
> writing.

Perhaps so, but in the context of ancient Rome, I believe the idea of 'sin'
(despite the etymology of the word being Germanic) was pretty much the same.
They simply called it being un-Roman :)

Magnus


Subject:	Re: A non orthodox eastern Pagan stuff (long) and Dex
From:	hadji <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 01 Feb 2000 09:20:24 +0100

Salve Dexippe,

I was joking only. Did you consider someone may seriously blame or
whatever else with such a things as sins or "unjustice way of life"
here ?? It would be so absurd that never can be a true, isn't it? :))
But if you feel that as insult against your person, so please accept my
very sincere appologies. Are you satisfied now?

Well, PAX and I wish you a very very nice and pleasant day!

Vale

Alexander I.C. Probus

First...this "sin" sounds too Judeo-Christian to me to be palatable.

And Second...still insulting your way on this list, eh Hadji? So I live
an
"unjustice way of life"? Because I debated with Samarticus?

I'll say it again...and to the detriment of Fimbria...GET OVER
YOURSELF!
(I'll hold the sharper tongue for your reply).

--Dex


Subject:	Re: A non orthodox eastern Pagan stuff (long)
From:	hadji <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 01 Feb 2000 09:39:11 +0100

Salvete Antonii Grylle, Dexippe et alii,

As first I would like to thank to Gryllus for his encouraging words.

Secondly I beg your pardon for the probably not very appropriate terms
as "sin" and other I used in my note. It is nothing than my limited
English vocabulary. I need to use not very exact words to express what I
what to say. So, if you find some not exact term, please understand it
within its wider meaning.

I would like to say that I am not personaly the follower of Orphiciasm
(I am supporter of this Judeo-Christian-Muslim stuff as Dex have said) ,
but as I had spend the most wonderful years of my childhood in the
Rhodopes mountains (the Orpheus' mountains) I have got a very close
sensetive feelings to whatever connected to Thracians and especially the
southern ones. Thatswhy I wrote about Orphiciasm, but not about
Zalmoxis.
Rome, Macedonia, Greece is a history for me. Thrace is my magic land as
Boiohaeum is the magic land of Moravius.

Valete

Alexander I.C. Probus


Subject:	Re: Non Orthodox Eastern Pagan Stuff
From:	"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 01 Feb 2000 01:07:27 PST

Salutem!

Just a word, O Populari, since the thread has appeared here on the Main
List, in defence of that old-time Religio...

Yes, the Orphic cults have sublime philosophies, gods that save, mysteries
vouchsafing arcane secrets, answers to the questions of the purpose of
existence, and the Religio Romana does not...

As an earnest young man I studied neo-platonist philosophy, to which Orphism
is closely related, and it told me the Answer To Everything (aka The Cosmic
Mind) was - 42.

But what attracted me to the Religio more than anything was its homeliness,
the host of small friendly gods in home, garden, forest and field: numina,
lares, penates... divinities of humble station, who help one live in the
world one is in, whether one thinks one deserves to be here, or it's a
karmic illusion, or whatever.

Answer me this, O ye orientalising syncretists: has Mithras Helios Sol
Invictus Horus Sarapis Optimus Maximus ever helped you find your car-keys?

Pace deorum,

Vado.

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Subject:	Probus's post
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 04:41:56 -0500 (EST)

Salve, Alexander Probus;

I am very sorry that it has been so long since I have responded to you,
but I have been much taken up of late as most others have been and as
usual at such times the old correspondence list suffers.

In regard to your friend Sarmaticus, I call him your friend as my
private posts to him do not appear to have earned that title for me, his
decisions must of course be his own. However, in referring to the Oath
he has taken to NR, I cannot see how his recent actions parallel his
promises. Yes he is tempermental, yes he is argumentative, and yes he
is not considerate of the opinions of others, but those attributes may
be attributed to many of us. I fully recognize that he is debating in a
language not his own and in a forum which is new to him. He is also
debating about a situation which is close to both of you, and which is
less understood by those in the West, than those who live under such
conditions in the East.

We are trying very hard in NR to develop an adequate way to establish
funding for the goals of the organization. Whether that "way" is
taxation. a combination of taxation and donation, or strictly donation
we do not yet know. Ideas for this problem are being sought out, but
our real need is for people to work these ideas up into proposals that
can be looked at by our Senate and voted upon. I have on several
occasions appraised your friend of such and he has either ignored my
comments or has ridiculed them.

Now, most of the NR citizens understand that some accomodation must be
made for the Eastern provinces of our micronation. but unsubbing from
the Onelist because he was not totally agreed with is not one of them.
I would be happy to see your friend return and take up his duties again.
I would be happy to hear his ideas, and happier to hear some significant
proposals about the ideas. I would also be happy to hear a little more
tolerance and a little less hysteria.

You have always made your points well on the Onelist, and it is a
pleasue for me to have discussions with you, since I can count on a
portion of consideration for my views from you as you can from me. If
you can impart that to your friend, you would in my humble opinion do
him a great favor. I can do nothing in regard to people who are
"afraid" to use the Onelist because of their own fears of inadequacy. I
can and do, however, welcome any to this list who wish to try and
communicate sincerely and in a fashion that indicates the similar
attributes of the gentlemanly conduct that you reflect. You may not be
aware of this, but there are those who have far more severe problems in
communication than any your friend has, who use this list in an
effective and polite manner to the benefit of NR and to the honor of
themselves.

In response to your very generous offer to join your Onelist in country.
I must regretfully decline for the moment, until I can make some further
arrangements with my equipment as the addition of another list would
probably "top me out" in communication. I hope that you will invite me
again to be a part of your listing when my Consular duties are over at
the end of this year.

Vale, Respectfully and with affection;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Probus's post
From:
Date:	Tue, 01 Feb 2000 01:02:05 -0800

Salve

Well I can say that I have been and am currently am in coversation with
Sarmaticus. He is a nice guy once you get to know him. Him and I have carried
our tax discussion offlist and I understand what he is trying to say. I can say
that both sides have gotten heated and I have heard from both sides offlist in
regards to this, as Dex can also attest. I have done my part to mediate both
sides and I am trying to get Sarmaticus back on list. As a matter of fact,
Sarmaticus is forwarding a post to me so I can post on the list for him. As
soon as I get it I will be forwarding it. I do call Sarmaticus my friend.

L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

James Mathews wrote:

> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/font>
>
> Salve, Alexander Probus;
>
> I am very sorry that it has been so long since I have responded to you,
> but I have been much taken up of late as most others have been and as
> usual at such times the old correspondence list suffers.
>
> In regard to your friend Sarmaticus, I call him your friend as my
> private posts to him do not appear to have earned that title for me, his
> decisions must of course be his own. However, in referring to the Oath
> he has taken to NR, I cannot see how his recent actions parallel his
> promises. Yes he is tempermental, yes he is argumentative, and yes he
> is not considerate of the opinions of others, but those attributes may
> be attributed to many of us. I fully recognize that he is debating in a
> language not his own and in a forum which is new to him. He is also
> debating about a situation which is close to both of you, and which is
> less understood by those in the West, than those who live under such
> conditions in the East.
>
> We are trying very hard in NR to develop an adequate way to establish
> funding for the goals of the organization. Whether that "way" is
> taxation. a combination of taxation and donation, or strictly donation
> we do not yet know. Ideas for this problem are being sought out, but
> our real need is for people to work these ideas up into proposals that
> can be looked at by our Senate and voted upon. I have on several
> occasions appraised your friend of such and he has either ignored my
> comments or has ridiculed them.
>
> Now, most of the NR citizens understand that some accomodation must be
> made for the Eastern provinces of our micronation. but unsubbing from
> the Onelist because he was not totally agreed with is not one of them.
> I would be happy to see your friend return and take up his duties again.
> I would be happy to hear his ideas, and happier to hear some significant
> proposals about the ideas. I would also be happy to hear a little more
> tolerance and a little less hysteria.
>
> You have always made your points well on the Onelist, and it is a
> pleasue for me to have discussions with you, since I can count on a
> portion of consideration for my views from you as you can from me. If
> you can impart that to your friend, you would in my humble opinion do
> him a great favor. I can do nothing in regard to people who are
> "afraid" to use the Onelist because of their own fears of inadequacy. I
> can and do, however, welcome any to this list who wish to try and
> communicate sincerely and in a fashion that indicates the similar
> attributes of the gentlemanly conduct that you reflect. You may not be
> aware of this, but there are those who have far more severe problems in
> communication than any your friend has, who use this list in an
> effective and polite manner to the benefit of NR and to the honor of
> themselves.
>
> In response to your very generous offer to join your Onelist in country.
> I must regretfully decline for the moment, until I can make some further
> arrangements with my equipment as the addition of another list would
> probably "top me out" in communication. I hope that you will invite me
> again to be a part of your listing when my Consular duties are over at
> the end of this year.
>
> Vale, Respectfully and with affection;
> Marcus Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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Subject:	[Fwd: DEXIPPO]
From:
Date:	Tue, 01 Feb 2000 01:07:42 -0800

Here is the forwarded post from Sarmaticus:

"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" wrote:

> Salvete SPQNR! Salve Dexippe,
>
> SARMATICUS DEXIPPO PACEM OFFIT
>
> DEXIPPE???
>
> Valete omnes et vale Dexippe.
>
> AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS
>
> (capitals was not shouting!)
>
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Censor


Subject:	Re: Probus's post
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 05:03:59 -0500 (EST)

Salve, Censor Sulla;

I am very glad to hear of your success with Sarmaticus. You are more
fortunate than I apparently, and I am sure that your sincereiy, sense of
fairness, and reliability has struck a chord in the gentleman where my
efforts did not.

I am pleased to hear of the fruits of your effort, and that the gentlemn
has placed his full confidence in you. Perhaps that will bode well for
the future. That is why your greater experience in diplomatic and
political matters are now, and have been in the past of significant
importance in the continueing efforts of Nova Roma.

I thank you for sharing your success in this matter with the whole of
NR.

Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Re: Non Orthodox Eastern Pagan Stuff
From:
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 05:26:07 EST

In a message dated 2/1/2000 2:19:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> writes:

<< Invictus Horus Sarapis Optimus Maximus ever helped you find your car-keys?
Oh yes! Apollo and Hermes, which are parts of Him, have helped me a lot to
find keys and other stuff.
To be a syncretist is not to deny the Gods. It's just to invoke them all at
the same time as an entity with all powers.
>>
Salve
Vesta once helped me find a house in 24 hours when I needed one desperately.
Vale
Q. Fabius


Subject:	Prodigal child
From:	Diana Aventina <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 04:24:45 -0800 (PST)

Hail Nova Romans,
A very undiplomatic Diana says:
Has Sarmaticus become the "wronged one" of the
tax discussions? If I remember correctly (and I'm
sure that one of you will be happy to jump in and
correct me) he was doing a bit of mud slinging
too. The "discrimination" remark was a
particularly big piece of mud in this girl's
opinion. Again if I am not mistaken that is the
second time--see his over-hasty reply to
Germanicus 2 weeks ago.

But he shouldn't have signed off this list. Just
tell him to resubscribe and get it over with :-)
Diana
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Subject:	Re: A non orthodox eastern Pagan stuff (long)
From:
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:49:29 EST

In a message dated 1/31/00 5:41:19 PM Eastern Standard Time,
&l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=034166250009056116130232203056129208071" &g--------bienus@--------&l--------&g--------ri--------

<< I'd be willing to try to dig a few of them out if it really
means that much to you. >>

Oh no...please don't bother. It's not that important to me.

Thanks anyway.

--Dex


Subject:	Re: Orientalism; Gryllus vs Vado : again =)
From:
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:50:09 EST

In a message dated 1/31/00 6:13:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> writes:

<< The Etruscans believed that there was a 'Manus' (literally 'Hand', but
could
also be used as 'Power', 'Force') "which they believed to underlie all of
creation and which manifestated itself to humans as Gods"? The text
continues: "Those who could discern the motions of this power (...) would be
in touch with the divine and would be favoured in their lives.". The author
says that "This is a principle in many philosophies and religions,
especially in the East.". The Romans inherited this belief.

I'm going to check on references and original sources. >>

Now that I would be interested in!

--Dex


Subject:	Re: A non orthodox eastern Pagan stuff (long)
From:
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:51:44 EST

In a message dated 1/31/00 9:09:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a> wr--------:

<< I hope this adds to the conversation. >>

Yep...sure does.

--Dex


Subject:	Re: Re: A non orthodox eastern Pagan stuff (long) and Dex
From:
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:52:42 EST

In a message dated 2/1/00 3:30:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a> write--------r>
<< I was joking only. Did you consider someone may seriously blame or
whatever else with such a things as sins or "unjustice way of life"
here ?? It would be so absurd that never can be a true, isn't it? :))
But if you feel that as insult against your person, so please accept my
very sincere appologies. Are you satisfied now? >>

For the sake of Pax...yes. Let's just stop the tit for tat.

--Dex


Subject:	Re: Re: A non orthodox eastern Pagan stuff (long)
From:
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:53:43 EST

In a message dated 2/1/00 3:48:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a> write--------r>
<< Secondly I beg your pardon for the probably not very appropriate terms
as "sin" and other I used in my note. It is nothing than my limited
English vocabulary. I need to use not very exact words to express what I
what to say. So, if you find some not exact term, please understand it
within its wider meaning. >>

That's fine. I figured as much.

--Dex


Subject:	Re: Re: Non Orthodox Eastern Pagan Stuff
From:
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:58:42 EST

In --------ss--------d-------- 2/1/00 5:27:59 AM E--------rn St--------rd Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
writes:

<< Vesta once helped me find a house in 24 hours when I needed one
desperately. >>

Diana led me out of the woods when I was lost.

I was living in Chicago at the time and was hiking off-path in one of the
suburbian preserves. I got a bit lost and want to find my way back to the
road before sun-down. I asked Diana to guide me. A deer appeared and I
followed it patiently until it brought me to eye-shot of the road. My car
was about a mile east from there.

--Dex


Subject:	Re: Prodigal child
From:
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:00:14 EST

In a message dated 2/1/00 7:25:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114176113185158237169037163101249089000144044067209130152" >diana_aventina@--------</a> writes:

<< Has Sarmaticus become the "wronged one" of the
tax discussions? If I remember correctly (and I'm
sure that one of you will be happy to jump in and
correct me) he was doing a bit of mud slinging
too. The "discrimination" remark was a
particularly big piece of mud in this girl's
opinion. Again if I am not mistaken that is the
second time--see his over-hasty reply to
Germanicus 2 weeks ago. >>

Diana, I agree with you whole-heartedly. And I don't think anyone is taking
a "side" here. I think most are surprised that he would sign off the list.
And that's all it is right now.

--Dex


Subject:	Communication was Re: A non orthodox eastern Pagan stuff (long) and Dex
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:39:58 -0500

Salvete omnes

This exchange proves yet again what should be obvious: if we look to get
offended at each other, we'll be offended. And if we aren't careful about
what we say, we'll piss each other off. And it applies to every one of us,
no matter how humorous and light-hearted we appear to be from our posts.

Valete

C Marius Merullus

-----Original Message-----
From: hadji <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 3:24 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: A non orthodox eastern Pagan stuff (long) and Dex

>From: hadji <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a>
>
>Salve Dexippe,
>
>I was joking only. Did you consider someone may seriously blame or
>whatever else with such a things as sins or "unjustice way of life"
>here ?? It would be so absurd that never can be a true, isn't it? :))
>But if you feel that as insult against your person, so please accept my
>very sincere appologies. Are you satisfied now?
>
>Well, PAX and I wish you a very very nice and pleasant day!
>
>Vale
>
>Alexander I.C. Probus
>
>
>First...this "sin" sounds too Judeo-Christian to me to be palatable.
>
>And Second...still insulting your way on this list, eh Hadji? So I live
>an
>"unjustice way of life"? Because I debated with Samarticus?
>
>I'll say it again...and to the detriment of Fimbria...GET OVER
>YOURSELF!
>(I'll hold the sharper tongue for your reply).
>
>--Dex
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Subject:	Roman garb recreations
From:
Date:	Tue, 01 Feb 2000 13:51:25 -0800

The below site has photographs of people modeling the clothing
of our ancestors from Etruscan through imperial Rome.
You might recognize the name of one of the models,
Larissa Bonfante, the Etruscologist who has given us much
of the current publications that are now out. The photos are
labeled as having been taken at the American Academy in Rome (AAR).
I think these pictures are ... most informative.

<a href="http://www.uky.edu/ArtsSciences/Classics/norma.html" target="_top" >http://www.uky.edu/ArtsSciences/Classics/norma.html</a>

<a href="http://www.uky.edu/ArtsSciences?Classics/norma.html" target="_top" >http://www.uky.edu/ArtsSciences?Classics/norma.html</a>

Valete.
Ericius.


Subject:	Edictum consulare de apparitoribus
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> (James Mathe--------/td>
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:19:59 -0500 (EST)

Salvete, Conscript Fathers and Citizens of Nova Roma;

It is with great pleasure and pride that I, Marcus Minucius Audens,
Consul (2000) hereby appoint the following citizens as apparitores in
the following capacities:

--Gaius Marius Merullus--Assensus Major;

--Nicolaus Moravio Vado--assensus;

--Appius Claudius Lucentius Nigellus--assensus;

--Pompeia Cornelia Strabo--Scribus.

I am confident that this team will serve me well during my service to
Nova Roma.

Valete; Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Consul et Senator

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: Re: Senate Item #5
From:	Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:57:07 -0500

Salvete omnes,

Owing to work commitments I have been de facto lurking on the list for a
while now but the tax issue leads me to raise my head above the parapet. I
feel OK about doing so in spite of recent silence because for some months I
have been donating L10 stg ($15) per month to the Britannia "Eagle" account
on the supposition that when funds are periodically sent to the US these
will get transferred.

I think,

1) The principle of taxation of some form is a good one.

2) Implementing compulsory taxation will quite clearly require amendment to
the draft incorporation papers. But as we are nowhere near having a
practicable proposal and in any case could not constitutionally tax by
senatus consulta but only by lex there's no urgent conflict.

3) The poll tax concept is attractive in its administrative simplicity but
lousy in its practical and historical politics.

a) A flat rate per-head dollar tax imposes a substantial bank funds
transfer charge on non-US citizens (in most cases equal to or greater than
the amount of the tax). In addition while $15 is trivial money in the US
and W. Europe it is, while not impossible, non-trivial money in many other
countries. It can thus be an up-front obstacle to the growth of NR.

b) No-one should imagine (Dexippus & others) that we will ever have
consensus on the idea that you should "pay for what you get" in taxation.
Attempts to implement this view led in Britain to the fall of Maggie
Thatcher (quite recent...). Historically poll taxes are associated with,
working backwards, (i) the resistance of the former Confederate states to
blacks voting in the "Jim Crow" period, (ii) the English Peasants' Revolt
(1381) and (iii) the rise of proto-serfdom, the 'colonate' after Diocletian
(c.300) imposed a poll tax, the "caput", leading to peasants being
subordinated to the landlords who actually had the cash to pay the taxes.
This last is an oversimplication but ... not wonderful historical
precedents.
If (as Dexippus suggested in one post) NR would be happy to
attract only people who agreed with flat rate taxation, then in Britain I
guess we'd be talking about roughly 1/3 of Tory voters (themselves about
30% of voters) most of whom are committed Christians who identify paganism
with human sacrifice and child abuse. The politics of taxation are no doubt
different in the US, but ...

4) Vado suggested at quite an early stage of the current exchange that NR
should tax the provinces, which in turn could arrange an equitable
distribution of the burden. This suggestion has the incidental merit of
being historically Roman, i.e. it was how taxation was managed in the early
Empire!

Valete,

M. Mucius Scaevola Magister


Subject:	Re: Re: Senate Item #5
From:	Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:57:07 -0500


Subject:	Re: Sin and Rome
From:
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 18:58:39 EST

<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132056131009152219130232203140129208071" >Dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:
<< I've never come across "sin" except in terms of Judeo-Christian-Muslim
> writing. >>

I remember reading that during the rein of Augustus Caesar Rome tried to
enforce some very strange "Morality Laws".


Subject:	Re: Re: Voting
From:
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:24:24 EST

Salvete Omnes!

The results of the Senate's voting have been posted by the Consuls and
are hereby posted in this forum.

Valete,

Lucius Sergius Australicus
Tribunus Plebis

certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)


Subject:	Re: Re: A non orthodox eastern Pagan stuff (long) and Dex
From:	"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 01 Feb 2000 18:48:57 PST

>From: hadji <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Re: A non orthodox eastern Pagan stuff (long) and Dex
>Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 09:20:24 +0100
>
>From: hadji <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=180166080058082135090082190036" >hadji@--------</a>
>
>Salve Dexippe,
>
>I was joking only. Did you consider someone may seriously blame or
>whatever else with such a things as sins or "unjustice way of life"
>here ?? It would be so absurd that never can be a true, isn't it? :))
>But if you feel that as insult against your person, so please accept my
>very sincere appologies. Are you satisfied now?
>
>Well, PAX and I wish you a very very nice and pleasant day!
>
>Vale
>
>Alexander I.C. Probus
>REPLY FROM POMPEIA CORNELIA STRABO: Well, it came across to me as "very
>insulting". How could it come across as anything else? I am glad that you
>rendered Dexippus an apology.
Valete et Pax
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo

>
>First...this "sin" sounds too Judeo-Christian to me to be palatable.
>
>And Second...still insulting your way on this list, eh Hadji? So I live
>an
>"unjustice way of life"? Because I debated with Samarticus?
>
>I'll say it again...and to the detriment of Fimbria...GET OVER
>YOURSELF!
>(I'll hold the sharper tongue for your reply).
>
>--Dex
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Subject:	Fwd: Re: Voting
From:
Date:	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 22:06:33 EST

But only if I hit the right button in Claris Emailer!

L. Sergius Aust.
red-faced Tribunus Plebis

From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=226107192180229130130232031248147208071048" >LSergAust@--------</--------;

Salvete Omnes!

The results of the Senate's voting have been posted by the Consuls and
are hereby posted in this forum.

Valete,

Lucius Sergius Australicus
Tribunus Plebis

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From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246157057089235135169082190036" >SFP55@--------</--------;
To: <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=061056234237175198015158190036129" >se--------@--------</a>, <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=219166192112158209015147190036129" >caesar@p...</a>
Salvete Conscript Fathers
Here is the Result of the Vote. Out of sixteen Senators voting the
following
is determined:

Item the First
Censors, Lucius Cornelius, and Flavius Vedius have suggested
changes to Century Point System:
2 Yeas 13 Nays 1 Abstanare
ITEM FAILS

Item the Second
Confirmation of our current provincial praetors and the continuing of
their
office for an additional year.
We also purpose that a new province be added to Rome. That of
Germany
and
Austria, to be called Germania. We further purpose that the citizen
Marcus
Marcius Rex of Austria be appointed as Provincial Praetor. He is
committed to the task and will make a fine Provincial Praetor.
15 Yeas 0 Nays 1 Abstanare
ITEM PASSES

Item the third.
That Marcus Municius Audens be confirmed as legatus to the Society of
Creative Anachronism provided his duties as consul to Nova Roma are
not
hindered in any way by such an appointment.

That a letter of Thank You to the Guild of St. Erasmus should be sent.
Marcus Municius asks the approval of the Senate to draft a letter and
send
it.
12 Yeas 3 Nays 1 Abstanare
ITEM PASSES

Item the fourth.
That the outreach program of M. Municius Audens be granted official
recognition by the Senate of Nova Roma. Once this is accomplished we
may
began work on definitive publicity program.
15 Yeas 1 Nays 0 Abstanare
ITEM PASSES

Item the fifth.
That we began to impose a tax on all the citizens of Nova Roma.
While I
realize, conscript fathers, that this measure will be unpopular, will
not
pass on the first attempt, and will cause a major restructure in
Roma's
charter, I, Q. Fabius am still committed to it. Your vote simply
means
that this Senate is committed or not committed to this task.
7 Yeas 8 Nays 1 Abstanare
ITEM FAILS

Item the Eighth.
That the Senate Confirm the Incorporation Papers of Nova Roma.
16 Yeas 0 Nays 0 Abstanare
The Senate instructs the Quaestor to post them in the Forum at once.

The Senate is dismissed with the thanks of the Consules
Valete!

M. Municius Audens
Q. Fabius Maximus

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nullae satisfactionis potiri non possum.

(I can't get no satisfaction.)