| Subject: |
Lares and Penates |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:55:36 PST |
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Salutem!
A couple of days ago, on the subject of Sacred Source/JBL merchandise,
Merullus wrote:
>By the way, someone (Vado?) once pointed out that here that the >Penates
>plaque didn't look authentic, that it looked like a certain Lararium >image
>from Pompeii, or something to that effect.
Respondeo: I did indeed, and it does indeed. Because it is indeed.
>That may be true,
- Enim verum'st, Merulle! Would I lie to you ;-) ?
>but there is
>an image, on the Ara Pacis I believe, of Aeneas and Iulus sacrificing a
>pig.
>In the background, the Penates, brought to Italia from Illium, are
>represented, housed in a small (or distant, though it's tough to tell with
>ancient images) aedes.
- It's small, being the Palladium which Aeneas had to carry away along with
his father Anchises. (Gods, but they were fit in those days..!) :-)
>The Sacred Source plaque, at least superficially,
>resembles the front of that aedes.
- There is a resemblance, agreed. But the Penates on the Ara Pacis are, I
believe, carrying peni (the penus is a conical grain-measure resembling a
cornucopia, and Ceres and Ops are also occasionally shown carrying one),
whereas the Lares on the Sacred Source plaque, copied from a Pompeiian
Lararium, carry rhytones (Greek drinking-horns). Some might argue that the
Lares and the Penates were originally one and the same (I wouldn't).
- But does anyone know WHY Lares are so often shown carrying rhytones?
Or why they generally look as Greek as they do?
Valete bene in pace deorum,
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Re: Ancient Roman ideals and 2000 |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:11:41 -0500 (EST) |
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Salve; Master Boudreau;
In partial answer to your request for a reply to the questions regarding
the subject topic. The Ideals of the Roman Culture are considered by
the Citizens of Nova Roma to be worthy of being brought into the light
of the modern day once again. The Roman Virtues, and Roman Law,
Administration and Art, and of great value the belief in the Roman
Religio.
We seek to bring into harmony wthin this micronation all the best of
those attributes in this present time period. We, as our webpage
clearly states, choose to abide by all the laws of the respective
countries in which we live, an we have forsworn, the items of military
conquest, slavery and limited suffrage for women in order that all
Citizens might share equally in this effort.
While the Citizens of Nova Roma work and play in the real world as you
do, and enjoy the privalages of well over 2000 years of human endeavor
and insight we strive within our small established micronation within
the boundaries of our Constitution and our enacted laws to conduct the
business of bringing to the world of today some of the timless, and
brilliant hopes, dreams, accomplishments and ideals of this wide ranging
culture known as the Roman Culture.
No we do not subsist upon a wheat or barley porridge and dried fish,
flavored with fish sauce and drink watered wine as a daily activity. We
do not live in mud and wattle tenement housing and wear short one piece
tunics everyday, and take our liesure and enjoyment in the public baths
as a lifetime effort, but we do study these things and many others in
the Sodalitas set up for such studies. There are those of us who model
the engineering feats of those who we would honor, recreate the wine and
foods of the period, develop and use the fish sauce and cooking
techniques and hew to the religion of the ancient ways, copy the armor
and tactics of the legions, use the period herbs, and play the period
instuments. We do these things in our homes, and at events throughout
the year, each to our own beliefs and each to our own capability, but
each having our own dedication to the aspects of the ancient culture.
This is a pagan micronation, but all are welcome. I am a Consul and
Sodalitas Commander, and I am Christian, but I respect the beliefs of my
pagan friends as all people of good heart and love of their fellow man
are taught to do.
In closing, I am afraid that my few poor words are quite inadequate to
the description of Nova Roma, and I am sure that I have missed some very
important elements such as our own Senate who pass our laws, our College
of Pontiffs who select and train our religious leaders of the Roman
Religio, our Family Sodalitas, that studies the family values of the
Roman Society. our elected Magistrates who conduct the micronation's
business from day to day, our beginning Outreach Program, and our
excellent monthly newsletter Eagle and our Macellum that houses those
Roman Businesses, that base their busines on the products that reflect
the Glory of Rome.
No. my friend, my poor words are quite insufficent to describe the
efforts of this micronation, it's purposes, it's hopes for the future
and it's dreams of bringing to the world the best parts of the Roman
Culture.
I can tell you this, however, I came here two years ago, as a studemt
of Roman History, and not a very good one at that in comparison to some
here, and I have found ideals to work fo, friends to be with, items of
great interest to study, and activities to delight the mind and salve
the soul. My sincere wish is that you will find an equal amount of
satisfaction in your own life. If you have the inclination, join us as
you are most welcome;
Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Citizen
Nova Roma
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Lares and Penates |
| From: |
"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:26:45 PST |
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FROM POMPEIA
Salvete, Vado: It sounds as though you shall have alot on the go in the
next little while...try not to work too hard. (p.s. I garden, too)
Valete, Pompeia
>From: "Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Lares and Penates
>Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 12:55:36 PST
>
>From: "Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
>
>Salutem!
>
>A couple of days ago, on the subject of Sacred Source/JBL merchandise,
>Merullus wrote:
>
> >By the way, someone (Vado?) once pointed out that here that the >Penates
> >plaque didn't look authentic, that it looked like a certain Lararium
> >image
> >from Pompeii, or something to that effect.
>
>Respondeo: I did indeed, and it does indeed. Because it is indeed.
>
> >That may be true,
>
>- Enim verum'st, Merulle! Would I lie to you ;-) ?
>
> >but there is
> >an image, on the Ara Pacis I believe, of Aeneas and Iulus sacrificing a
> >pig.
> >In the background, the Penates, brought to Italia from Illium, are
> >represented, housed in a small (or distant, though it's tough to tell
>with
> >ancient images) aedes.
>
>- It's small, being the Palladium which Aeneas had to carry away along with
>his father Anchises. (Gods, but they were fit in those days..!) :-)
>
> >The Sacred Source plaque, at least superficially,
> >resembles the front of that aedes.
>
>- There is a resemblance, agreed. But the Penates on the Ara Pacis are, I
>believe, carrying peni (the penus is a conical grain-measure resembling a
>cornucopia, and Ceres and Ops are also occasionally shown carrying one),
>whereas the Lares on the Sacred Source plaque, copied from a Pompeiian
>Lararium, carry rhytones (Greek drinking-horns). Some might argue that the
>Lares and the Penates were originally one and the same (I wouldn't).
>
>- But does anyone know WHY Lares are so often shown carrying rhytones?
>Or why they generally look as Greek as they do?
>
>Valete bene in pace deorum,
>
>Vado.
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Lares and Penates |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 21 Feb 2000 21:08:36 EST |
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In a message dated 2/21/00 7:27:45 PM Central Standard Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> writes:
<< ROM POMPEIA
Salvete, Vado: It sounds as though you shall have alot on the go in the
next little while...try not to work too hard. (p.s. I garden, too)
Valete, Pompeia
>>
no offence, but has anyone considered carving your own statuary? i know
were are not all artisans, but when you make your own icons, they become
embodied with our spirit as well as the lar and pentaes. oh yes, considering
Roman relgion, we have reccords of settlers and soldiers leaving votie
offerings to Gods in native or newly conqured land, or even civilied
proviences. would it be appropite, for those of us in the U.S., to leave
offerings to native american land spirts. i always do, as i consider it a
sign of respect for the local spirits. we occupy their land, and likewise, we
should not take them for granted beacuse of it.
Smooth Roads
Lugus Brigantius
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