| Subject: |
In Need of Assistance: Roman Weddings |
| From: |
"Gaius Tullius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091212212098082194184061065248244208071048" >nr_cicero@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:29:19 GMT |
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From: "Gaius Tullius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091212212098082194184061065248244208071048" >nr_cicero@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Subject: Fwd: Will you help me with a Term Paper?
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:23:35 GMT
Salvete,
Could anyone help out this person? I am no expert on Roman
weddings and it sounds like she knows about what I do on the subject.
Is Crys still on this list? This sounds like a subject she
would know well.
Gratias,
Gaius Tullius Triumphius Cicero
From: "ermason" &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=070212014237099190172218031036129208" &g--------mason@--------&l--------&g--------r>
To: <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091212212098082194184061065248244208071048" >nr_cicero@--------</a>
Subject: Will you help me with a Term Paper?
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:27:35 -0800
I am writing a term paper for college about the wedding
ceremony during the
1st and 2nd centuries. I have many sources from novels
and periodicals,
but a brief statement from an existing Senator would be
wonderful source.
Any information you may know, perhaps passed down
stories, would be very
appreciated. Thank you very much for your time.
Elizabeth
Rie Mason,
Austin, TX, USA
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com" target="_top" >http://www.hotmail.com</a>
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| Subject: |
Why Nova Roma? |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:42:57 EST |
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Salve, Fellow Romans!
A short while back, Drusus Cornelius Claudius posted a note on this list,
asking citizens what their dreams were for Nova Roma. I had put off
responding, pending confirmation of my citizenship. I was a bit sad to see
the subject was not picked up by others. But better late than never.
One reason I joined Nova Roma may perhaps be considered by some as ignoble.
It was to thumb my nose, to "flip the bird", so to speak, at the
"multiculturalists", who are happily balkanizing my macronation, the USA. My
country has no common culture anymore. We, as Americans {I know several Nova
Romans are not living in America} have no common identity to share, no common
values, not even a common language. All attempts to make English the official
language are fought on the grounds of "multiculturalism" and "sensitivity", bu
t when a Texas town passes an ordinace that Spanish is their official
language, and threatens to fire any town employees who cooperate with the
INS, this is "ethnic pride".
"Hey hey ho ho, Western Civ has got to go!" has been a rally cry on the
campuses of American universities. Instead, differences between people are
emphasized and glorified. The result is a nation with less and less of a
common culture and identity. Aside from consumerism and shopping malls, what
do the 'American people' really have in common?
Well, if "multiculturalism" is the name of the game, ok then. If it is
alright for everyone else, it is alright for me. I am a white male heir to
the wonderful heritage of the Classical world or Greece and Rome, and damn
pleased to be one. I have no interest or desire to malign or look down on
other people or their backgrounds. How can I, when my wife is an Asian from
the Philippines? I know very well that the world is larger than the West.
But the West is still here, and deserves respect and study too.
And this is where Nova Roma comes in. Why only read about classical
civilization when one can be a part of its modern revival?
I will end here for now. No one likes to get a book in his mailbox! But I
hope this can start some conversation on our goals and ambitions and values,
as well as strategies for getting there.
Gaius Lupinius Festus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem XIII Kalendas April... |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:59:49 -0000 |
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Salvete
>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246243113180119209184102159248147208071048" >St--------eck@--------</--------;
>
>Salve Antonius Gryllus Graecus et ali,
>
>I'm sure that everyone has been enjoying the daily information we have been
>receiving from you. But I would like to let everyone know that you are
>taking the information about each day from the following website address:
><a href="http://www.clubs.psu.edu/aegsa/rome/romecal.html" target="_top" >http://www.clubs.psu.edu/aegsa/rome/romecal.html</a>
I'm in fact using this address in order to position myself in the calendar
and obtain some of the information, specially in what regards the
classification of days as fasti or other. Nevertheless, this is not the only
reference I use and filter, for it contains some errors (be careful when
consulting!!!). For example, the author fails to grasp that the meaning of
NP in days of special religious observance is not unknown, meaning simply
"nefastus publicus". I also use the Nova Roman calendar as a source, for
though it is not as "attractive", it contains more reliable information
taken mainly from Scullard's "Festivals and ceremonies of the Roman
Republic" and the Dictionary of Roman Religion. Another very
importancereference I use (and in fact have to translate from French) is R.
Turcan's "Rome et ses dieux".
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem XII Kalendas April (March 21st) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 21 Mar 2000 10:29:54 -0000 |
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Salvete
This is another of the dies comitiales (C), when committees of citizens can
vote
on political or criminal matters.
This is the third day of the Quinquatrus, festival of Mars and Minerva,
which began on ante diem XIV Kalendas April (March 19th).
Salve Mars Protegis nos
Salve Minerva forti Dea Conservis nos
Pax Deorum Vobiscum
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
Roman weddings |
| From: |
Pat Washburn <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:20:26 -0500 |
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Quoth Nova Roma Mailing List:
>Could anyone help out this person? I am no expert on Roman
>weddings and it sounds like she knows about what I do on the subject.
Gaius Triumphius, I will send her an e-mail - I am fairly well-read on
the subject, since our own Roman wedding is just a month away!
Patricia Cassia . Quaestor, Nova Roma
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>
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| Subject: |
Roman Weddings |
| From: |
Donald and Crystal Meaker <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029056113163056209105098072248155208071048" >meakerfam@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 21 Mar 2000 07:35:02 -0600 |
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Salvete,
I be still here <G>.
On 21 Mar 2000 08:05:06 -0000 <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> writes:
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 00:29:19 GMT
> From: "Gaius Tullius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091212212098082194184061065248244208071048" >nr_cicero@--------</a>
> Subject: In Need of Assistance: Roman Weddings
>
>
>
> From: "Gaius Tullius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091212212098082194184061065248244208071048" >nr_cicero@--------</a>
> To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> Subject: Fwd: Will you help me with a Term Paper?
> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 21:23:35 GMT
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> Could anyone help out this person? I am no expert on Roman
> weddings and it sounds like she knows about what I do on the subject.
>
> Is Crys still on this list? This sounds like a subject she
> would know well.
>
> Gratias,
>
>
> Gaius Tullius Triumphius Cicero
>
>
>
I have a pretty good page on Roman Weddings (I think <G>).
<a href="http://famromo.wiccan.net" target="_top" >http://famromo.wiccan.net</a>
There is a link there somewhere <G>. Give it a look and see if there is
anything there you can use <G>.
Pax vobiscum,
Crystallina Materna (Crys)
Through my constant care, my husband flourished.
-From an epitaph found at Rome (1st century B.C.)
>
>
&g-------- From: "ermason" &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=070212014237099190172218031036129208" &g--------mason@--------&l--------&g--------fon--------r>
> To: <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091212212098082194184061065248244208071048" >nr_cicero@--------</a>
> Subject: Will you help me with a Term Paper?
> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 12:27:35 -0800
>
> I am writing a term paper for college about the wedding
> ceremony during the
> 1st and 2nd centuries. I have many sources from novels
> and periodicals,
> but a brief statement from an existing Senator would be
> wonderful source.
> Any information you may know, perhaps passed down
> stories, would be very
> appreciated. Thank you very much for your time.
> Elizabeth
> Rie Mason,
> Austin, TX, USA
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com" target="_top" >http://www.hotmail.com</a>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Roman Weddings |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 21 Mar 2000 09:49:46 -0500 (EST) |
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Salve, Citizen Elizebeth Rie Mason;
Greetings to you and to your Gens. I read your message on the Onelist
and I hope the following is of some small use to you;
Marriage--
Roman marriage was monogamus. A full Roman marriage could only occur if
both parties were Roman Citizens or had been granted "conubium." The
minimum legal age for marriage was 12 for females and 14 for males, but
in practice age at marriage tended to be higher. In early times a
formal betrothal (sponsalia) usually occurred before marriage. Some
children were betrothed at a young age by their fathers. Until 44BC
Patricians could not marry Plebians, and a free person could not marry a
freedman or freedwoman until legislation under Augustus made it
permissable (except for Senators).
Roman marriage was a private act resting on the intial consent of the
partners. What was necessary in marriage was the living together of a
man and woman with the intention of forming a lasting union. There were
no prescribed formulas or words or written contract (except for
dowries). There were marriage ceremonies, but these carried no legal
status although they did indicate that the relationship was a marriage.
The law was primarily interested in the legitimacy of the children, and
so needed to know if there was a valid marriage. A dowry (dos) was also
an indicaton that the relationship was a marriage. Dowries were moral
but not legal requirements.
In early times, a woman passed into her husband's control (manus) on
marriage and was "in manu" (in manu mariti). By the end of the
republic, the woman tended to remain in the power of her father (sine
manu--without control) as long as he lived and was not integrated into
her husband's family. Under the empire, marriage became unpopular and
the birthrate fell, and so Augustus granted privelages to parents of
three or more children--"ius trium liberorum" (right of three children).
"Confarreatio" was the oldest amd most solemn form of marriage, from
which it was virtually impossible to become divorced. It was apparently
confned to certain priesthoods. The "flamen dialis" and "pontifex
maximus" were present at the ceremony, and a cake made of "far" (grain)
had some significance. Other marriage ceremonies commonly took place in
June, and included various rituals such as sacrifice and a wedding
feast.
Reference:
--Handbook to Life In Ancient Rome--Lesley and Roy Adkins, Oxford
University Press (new York--Oxford--1998)
My dear, I wish to thank you for this opportunity in allowing Nova Roma
to assist you in your search for information relating to Roman Culture.
I wish you the very best in the future, and I shall ask my Chapain to
make a wine and cake sacrifice for the success of your endeavor.
Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Consul et Senator--Nova Roma
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Test Your Knowledge of the Gods |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 21 Mar 2000 15:49:13 -0500 |
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Salvete Appi Marcelle et alii
Ago gratias tibi Thanks a lot for posting this. It was fun, and useful for
the exact things that you suggest. I was surprised by how many of the
blanks I couldn't fill. Knowing of Dumezil only from a few footnotes didn't
help me any :). I didn't see any way to obtain a score, did you?
Valete
C Marius Merullus
>From: "Robert Williamson" <a href="/post/no--------ma?protectID=194233250056127134015037190036129" >robert@--------</a>
>
>Salve: Here are a couple of interesting sites where you can test your
knowledge of the Gods and Goddesses of our nation of Nova Roma. Perhaps we
can discover where we need to improve our knowledge, and get an idea of how
much we have learned
> Cura ut valeas: Appius Marcellus Cato
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| Subject: |
NovaRoma Gathering in NJ ? - May 26-29 |
| From: |
"LegionXXIV" <a h--------"/post/nova--------?p--------ctID=034056178009193116001195151189114012071048139" >legionXXIV@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 21 Mar 2000 16:25:04 -0500 |
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Barony of Settmour Swamp - Quest XVII
Fri - Sat - Sun - Mon - May 26 & 29 - 2000
If you can't be at "Roman Days" in June; how about
some of us Nova-Romans getting together near
Flemington, New Jersey, on May 27 & 28 ?
There has been discussion in the past about a
NovaRoma gathering in the Mid-Atlantic Region and
although it is only two weeks before Roman Days;
those of you who can not make it down to Maryland
may want to consider the Quest XVII.
There would be time for a "Roman" conclave and
possibly some pre-discussion of the matters to be
considered at Roman Days.
I am willing to work as a laison between the Barony
and NovaRoma to arrange for our needs.
Please advise Gallio Velius Marsallas aka
Geo--------Metz of Legion XXIV <a h--------"/post/nova--------?p--------ctID=034056178009193116062046186246114012071048139" >legionxxiv@--------</a>
610-353-4982 ASAP if there is any interest in this proposal.
The "Quest" is an outdoor team-hunt for clues and
information which leads to the solving of the Quest's
secret message and goal. It is a ton of fun.
Legion XXIV will have a presence there and would
welcome any other Romani who could attend with us.
Pucks Bottoms Up Quest XVII
Neshanic Station NJ
Friday May 26-Monday May 29
The barony of Settmour Swamp welcomes one and all
(Yes - even Romans) to our 17th annual weekend
camping event. As always, we strive to have something
for everyone to enjoy.
For those who crave battle; bring armor, shield, and sword
and be ready for battle, for there will be fighting events.
These events will be going on all weekend. There will be a
baronial champion chosen for fighting and throwing events
who will represent the barony at future events.
For those who are brewers of fine drink, we will be holding
a brewing contest for beer, wines, and cordials.
As always there will be a mighty Quest. We promise this
years to be extra challenging and fun. The Quest is based on
the play "A Midsummer's Nights Dream".
Food will be served on the weekend for breakfast at a very
reasonable price. Also on the weekend a great feast will be
served as well as the holding of a baronial court by our
Baron Erik and Baroness Merlinia.
Now the site is damp: you may bring beer, wine, or mead
but no distilled alcohol. There will be no running water on site
so we ask that you bring your own.
There will be porta-castles on site as well as a big dumpster.
The county asks that we recycle all bottles,cans,and paper-
please use the recycling containers provided or
bring the empties home with you.
There will be a central fire pit for socializing,and hopefully
there will be some real entertainers among us.
Merchants are most welcome for there is No Charge for
space, though you should bring your own tables.
Pets are allowed but keep them leashed and please
clean up after them.
The site will open on Friday the 26th at 5pm and close
on Monday the 29th at 12 noon.
Prices for the event and the feast are as follows: $8.00 a day
for adults [14+],$4.00 for children [3-13],and under 3 are free.
There is no charge for Monday. The feast will cost 6.00.
All checks should be made out to SCA Barony of Settmour
Swamp. Please include SCA or (roman) and mundane names
of all those attending. Mail all reservations to
Lord Ben e draig[Ben Redditt] PO Box 343 Califon NJ 07830,
--------il <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=125233214237018132015038190036129" >wohali@--------</a>. For writt--------onformation s--------a
S.A.S.E. Will be taking reservations between April 1 - May 22
Any questions please contact the autocrat Eric the Wandering Horseman
--------Fred Henninger Jr --------609]921-0415 or e-m--------me --------lt;--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=125166234150056209170061000077114253071048139" >w--------rhrse@--------</--------;
Directions:The site is located on the Neshanic Station Fire Dept.
picnic grove corner of River Rd and Elm St Neshanic Station NJ.
Take Rt 206 to county Rd 514 [Amwell Rd] in Hillsborough.
If you are coming from the north turn right onto Rt 514, if you are
coming from the south turn left.
Stay on Rt 514 for about 8 miles until you come to a 3-way
intersection at a large white Church.
Turn right onto Rt 567 [River Rd]. A mile or so down the road
turn left and go across a white metal girder bridge {Elm St].
The site is just across the bridge on the right.
Rt 206 can be reached from routes I-287 and US-22 from the
north and from routes I-95/295, and I-195 from the south.
Any questions contact autocrat.
Hoping to have some Romans with us on May 27 & 28;
I remain, as always ;
Tuus in Sodalicio Respublica Romanae
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic
Gallio / George Legion XXIV MA
Tribune Militaris - NovaRoma Gens "Velius"
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| Subject: |
Legio IX Hispana, Roman Days West?? |
| From: |
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 21 Mar 2000 22:08:50 -0000 |
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Salvete,
My thanks to the words of welcome posted hear and sent privately!
Well met again Lucius Fimbria. It is nice to see that you have
survived the campaigns yet again!
And to Helena Cornelia Ovidia,
Maybe, as C. Aelius Ericus hinted at, it's time we had a "Roman Days"
here in California. Legio XX in Maryland is having all the fun! We
used to host a Roman Days but it was at an SCA War. This was pre-Nova
Roma and about the only folk that attended were ourselves.
I am currently working on a "Military Through The Ages" project, but
I believe that a two day event focusing on things Roman might better
serve.
For my part I can get a greater attendance if the event allows
camping especially if we are to gather in the LA area. However, there
is a 2 day Faire in June to which Legio IX Hispana and its SCA
version The 9th Legion is invited. It's usually held the same weekend
as Legio XX Roman Days... Die Romanii Occidentalis??
Planting seeds...
Salvete,
Gaius Valerius Tacitus Hibernicus
Centurio, Legio IX Hispana
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Legio IX Hispana, Roman Days West?? |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:44:14 -0800 |
|
Salve!
Thats an excellent idea. Where should it be located? I would be happy to
participate in the planning....We have had a couple of gatherings in the San
Gabriel/Pasadena area....so far...
What should we do to get this started?
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a> wrote:
> From: <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a>
>
> Salvete,
>
> My thanks to the words of welcome posted hear and sent privately!
>
> Well met again Lucius Fimbria. It is nice to see that you have
> survived the campaigns yet again!
>
> And to Helena Cornelia Ovidia,
>
> Maybe, as C. Aelius Ericus hinted at, it's time we had a "Roman Days"
> here in California. Legio XX in Maryland is having all the fun! We
> used to host a Roman Days but it was at an SCA War. This was pre-Nova
> Roma and about the only folk that attended were ourselves.
>
> I am currently working on a "Military Through The Ages" project, but
> I believe that a two day event focusing on things Roman might better
> serve.
>
> For my part I can get a greater attendance if the event allows
> camping especially if we are to gather in the LA area. However, there
> is a 2 day Faire in June to which Legio IX Hispana and its SCA
> version The 9th Legion is invited. It's usually held the same weekend
> as Legio XX Roman Days... Die Romanii Occidentalis??
>
> Planting seeds...
>
> Salvete,
> Gaius Valerius Tacitus Hibernicus
> Centurio, Legio IX Hispana
>
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