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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Latinitas: Novus Liber
From:
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 01:34:13 -0500

Salvete!

I read the Artes Latina, cassette version, and the context was directed or
geared to that of teenagers -- cartoon characters, humor, side notes...
Needless to say I was disappointed by it and promptly returned it. I would
not recommend this to any serious individual that desires to learn Latin as
fluently and proficiently as possible. And to top it off, the cost of the
series, books & tapes, ran close to two hundred dollars! For that price, or
a little more, one could take a semester of Latin at a local collage and
most certainly learn a lot more Latin. I hope this helped-- for was led
astray by Maria Bolchazy that seemed to suggest that this course was the
greatest, and that there were no comparison. It would seem that she was more
interested in making a buck rather then telling the whole truth.

Michael

Adrianus Arius Acadianus Draco wrote:

> From: "Adrianus Arius Acadianus Draco" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045015192254056209050218001036129208" >jhebert@--------&--------a>
>
> --- In <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>, "Michael D." TacitusMagnus@e... wrote:
> > Is this book anything like the other Latin learning series by
> Bolchazy
> > Publishing, both standard & CD version, that is fashioned more for
> > teenagers, or is it more of a college level book in approach and
> context.
> >
> > Michael
> --
>
> Salvete Michael et omnes,
>
> Thanks for your questions regarding my "discovery" of and thoughts
> regarding Conversational Latin for Oral Proficiency.
>
> First, I must confess that, until I found this volume, I was
> unfamiliar with Bolchazy-Carducci Publishers. Thus, I cannot compare
> CLfOP with any of their other publications. However, based on my
> impressions of CLfOP, I would be grateful if you could provide me
> with the names of other Latin-language publications/materials by
> Bolchazy.
>
> As to whether CLfOP is fashioned for teenagers (high school?) or
> college level, I would say that it is not an elementary book -- users
> of the volume, in my opinion, should already have a fair to good
> foundation in the grammar and syntax of the language if they are to
> benefit from the book. Unfortunately, because I have been outside
> the educational arena for many years, I cannot speak cogently to the
> level of the book based on current academic criteria. (I do have an
> acquaintance, however, who has told me that she is using the book in
> her college-level studies of Latin.) Overall, I would say that the
> book is "general" in character, and not directed to a particular age
> group, but rather assuming a good foundation in the language and the
> maturity of expression that would be concomitant with that training.
> Finally (and this is not a "cop out"), I would suggest that its level
> would quite likely be judged differently (higher or lower) depending
> on the local academic expectations of the geographical area or school
> district in which it was used.
>
> If you have the opportunity to review the book, Michael, I would be
> sincerely grateful for your thoughts and comments.
>
> Valete et omnia optima,
> Acadianus Draco
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma?
From:
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:35:24 EST

Salve Nova Roma!

On the eleventh of March, I posted to this list a message, an entreaty,
begging the people of Nova Roma to take a stand and to work towards Her noble
goals. Eagerly I awaited some response, but for over a week there was none.
But finally, two days ago, a response did come. I must thank the Roman who
sent a response because that means my words did have some effect. However, I
was dissapointed at the content of the message. The response was an attack
on multiculturalism! Nova Roma is a nation dedicated to the restoration of
Western Civilization as it once was, isn't it? That's why I joined. Ancient
Rome stood not only as a great culture in Herself, but as a great unifier of
cultures. Our ancestors in Roma worked to embrace the rest of the world...
Rome was, and should be today, 'multiculturalism'!
Once again I beg the Roman people to respond. Stand up and tell us all
why you joined Nova Roma! To avoid and look down upon others? Or to enjoy,
embrace, and unify?

For the Senate and the Roman People, valete!
Drusus Cornelius Claudius


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma?
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:57:57 -0000

Salve Druse Corneli Claudi

I've read your message, but did not answer because I thought that many would
answer it.

> On the eleventh of March, I posted to this list a message, an
entreaty,
>begging the people of Nova Roma to take a stand and to work towards Her
noble
>goals.
I've already begged people to do it. My hope is that among the many that
pass through Nova Roma, a small subset will in fact believe NR's objectives
and will work for Nova Roma. I'm here since 2 years ago, and actively
participate on the Political and Religious life of the Urbs. I'll keep doing
that and I want to ask you to do the same. I've quitted from appealing the
others to be motivated and work. The best thing we can do is in fact to work
and be motivated ourselves.

>The response was an attack
>on multiculturalism! Nova Roma is a nation dedicated to the restoration of
>Western Civilization as it once was, isn't it? That's why I joined.
Ancient
>Rome stood not only as a great culture in Herself, but as a great unifier
of
>cultures. Our ancestors in Roma worked to embrace the rest of the world...
>Rome was, and should be today, 'multiculturalism'!
I agree with you plainly, and the magistrates and religious officials (at
least the majority) think the same. That's why the foreign cults make part
of our Pantheon.

> Once again I beg the Roman people to respond. Stand up and tell us all
>why you joined Nova Roma! To avoid and look down upon others? Or to
enjoy,
>embrace, and unify?
To unify diversity, to diversify unity. To unify is to accept the difference
and learn with it. Unity is most beautiful if it is able to keep diversity
within.

Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex, Senator, Praetor


Subject:	ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem XI Kalendas April (March 22nd)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:05:20 -0000

Salvete omnes

This is one of the dies nefasti (N), a day on which no public business can
take place.

This is the day of the procession of the 'dendrophori' (tree-bearers) of
Magna Mater/Cybele. They carry a pine tree (cut in a wood dedicated to Magna
Mater) to the temple on the Palatine hill, after the sacrifice of a ram on
the stock of the chopped tree.This funeral procession evokes the death of
Attis, who emasculated himself near a pine tree. As in a funeral, the pine
in dressed in wool with violet garlands.
This is the seventh day of a nine-day fast for the worshippers of Magna
Mater, leading up to the Day of Blood on March 24th.

This is also the 'dies violae', when we put flowers on the tombs of the
dead.

This is the fourth day of the Quinquatrus, festival of Mars and Minerva,
which began on ante diem XIV Kalendas April (March 19th).

Pax Deorum Vobiscum

Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Latinitas: Novus Liber
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:14:46 -0000

Salve Adriane Draco

I have bad news for you... It seems that Hadrian was not initiated into the
Mithraic Mysteries. That is literary fiction... Who says it is Robert Turcan
a known scholar of Roman Religion.

Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma?
From:
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:29:19 -0600

Salve Drusus Cornelius,

I think that there is no clear agreement among Nova Romans as to goals.
Personally, I signed up for the idea of reviving the Roman virtues in the
modern -- no, make that "current" -- world. Spend a year or so
participating here in the Forum, though, and you'll probably realize that
your fellow citizens don't really share much in the way of unifying goals
or purposes. Some evidently see this just as a place to "dress up and
play Romans." Others just enjoy the excuse to act arrogant and snotty
(that's what being "Roman" means, isn't it?). Some have
intellectual/academic interests (and some, pretensions) and use this as a
sort of ongoing seminar. Many here have an interest exclusively in some
form of the Religio, and are interested in little else. A few
(apparently) want to seriously create a real world "mini-state" -- an
idea that I think is intriguing but probably doomed (since Janet Reno
hasn't forsworn the use of flame-throwing tanks and helicopter gunships
to snuff out people who differ from the prescribed norms).

I noted the post against multiculturalism as rather ridiculous in the
context of things Roman, since Rome was probably the most multicultural
society of all time, and many see that as having been one of it's
greatest strengths.

Find what your goals in Nova Roma are and work toward them. You may find
yourself in interesting company.

Vale,

Lucius Sergius Australicus

On 3/22/00 4:35 AM <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------; (<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------;)
wrote:

>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------;
>
>Salve Nova Roma!
>
> On the eleventh of March, I posted to this list a message, an entreaty,
>begging the people of Nova Roma to take a stand and to work towards Her
>noble
>goals. Eagerly I awaited some response, but for over a week there was
>none.
>But finally, two days ago, a response did come. I must thank the Roman who
>sent a response because that means my words did have some effect.
>However, I
>was dissapointed at the content of the message. The response was an attack
>on multiculturalism! Nova Roma is a nation dedicated to the restoration of
>Western Civilization as it once was, isn't it? That's why I joined.
>Ancient
>Rome stood not only as a great culture in Herself, but as a great unifier of
>cultures. Our ancestors in Roma worked to embrace the rest of the world...
>Rome was, and should be today, 'multiculturalism'!
> Once again I beg the Roman people to respond. Stand up and tell us all
>why you joined Nova Roma! To avoid and look down upon others? Or to enjoy,
>embrace, and unify?
>
>For the Senate and the Roman People, valete!
>Drusus Cornelius Claudius


Subject:	multiculturalism
From:	"susan brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061158091009093031223225065148243223136058139046209" >scriba_forum@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:13:12 GMT

Salvete Civities:

Just wanted to comment on the recent posts re: multiculturalism.
I cannot see a Nova Roma independent of multiculturalism. Most people on
earth are decended from those who were part of the Roman world! Actually,
talking to people from all over the planet, different races, creeds nations,
etc. is a real treat for me..... people from everywhere who are bonded
together by a love for the Romans and how profoundly they have influenced
our world.
I have made many friends and learned so much from them.

Granted, because we're all different, there will always be differences of
opinion; often just remembering why we are together in the first place is a
good initial step in resolving conflicts. I know that I for one, sure don't
have to go outside my own "culture" to entertain a dispute!
I see multiculturalism as a blessing and an instrument of "pax" and
"amicitia" not a threat in itself to anyone.
Valete,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma?
From:
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:39:22 EST

In a message dated 3/22/00 5:32:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=210166080237038233015038190036129" >iadams@--------</a> writ--------br>
> I think that there is no clear agreement among Nova Romans as to goals.

Cassius:
As with anything, no full set of goals is likely to work completely for *all*
of us. However there are certain things that bring us together, such as the
obvious interest in ancient Rome...

Australicus:
Personally, I signed up for the idea of reviving the Roman virtues in the
modern -- no, make that "current" -- world.

Cassius:
A good example! You probably won't find many in NR who think the Roman
Virtues are a BAD idea. Yet, not everyone has come here because of them
directly, or considers them to be their main topic of interest. Happily, Rome
is a vast topic and there can be something for everyone that may want to
participate.

Australicus:
Spend a year or so
participating here in the Forum, though, and you'll probably realize that
your fellow citizens don't really share much in the way of unifying goals
or purposes.

Cassius:
Well, you'll find that it can be easy to forget about unifying goals and
purposes in the middle of a debate or argument, anyway! ;)

Australicus:
Some evidently see this just as a place to "dress up and
play Romans."

Cassius:
We do indeed have some "reenactor" folks which enjoy doing Living History
stuff, such as the Legion Reenactors. Some of them are also into the politics
etc, but not necessarily all. No matter... events such as Roman Days help to
gain public interest and do teach the public some basics about history, etc.
:)

Australicus:
Others just enjoy the excuse to act arrogant and snotty
(that's what being "Roman" means, isn't it?).

Cassius:
LOL! Much of the "arrogance" here seems to be computer generated than
anything else. It's amazing how easy it is to take people's intent the wrong
way by Email. I myself have had some heated arguments here, only to meet
people face to face later on and find they were quite nice. It's easy to
forget how much info we get from voice inflection, expressions, etc. The
difference between a wry comment by Email and a mortal insult is often in the
eye of the beholder... and in the typing skill (or lack thereof) of the
sender.

Australicus:
Some have
intellectual/academic interests (and some, pretensions) and use this as a
sort of ongoing seminar.

Cassius:
I do that myself with many subjects, (the interests part, hopefully not the
pretensions part!) and have learned a great deal.

Australicus:
Many here have an interest exclusively in some
form of the Religio, and are interested in little else.

Cassius:
I don't believe I've met anyone in the Religio who isn't also interested in
Roman culture! Again it's simply a matter of focus. Many Religio folks are
intent with the work of rebuilding various religious aspects and simply don't
have time for a lot of other involvement. After all this isn't a full time
job for any of us.

Australicus:
>A few
(apparently) want to seriously create a real world "mini-state" -- an
idea that I think is intriguing but probably doomed (since Janet Reno
hasn't forsworn the use of flame-throwing tanks and helicopter gunships
to snuff out people who differ from the prescribed norms).

Cassius:
You can count me among these people. (And among the people who are extremely
not interested in getting Janet Reno and established governments upset!) The
intent of Nova Roma is to be a benefit to existing nations rather than a
problem. I believe that there is an outside chance, *far* in the future, that
Nova Roma might be viewed internationally as a serious focus for a rebirth of
Roman culture. Maybe there might even be a *limited* sovereignty through that
in some respects, such as diplomatic dialogue with a country or two. Such
things have been done before. The Knights of Malta for instance, are
considered sovereign and have some limited diplomatic relations... even
though they own all of one building as "sovereign territory". And if such
ideas don't work? We continue to have an interesting and valid organization.
A no loss situation.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma?
From:
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:39:29 EST


Subject:	Re: Why Nova Roma?
From:
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:28:45 EST

In a message dated 3/22/00 3:00:40 AM Pacific Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> writes:

<< Salve Druse Corneli Claudi
I've read your message, but did not answer because I thought that many would
answer it.

Cassius:
Again, I think Citizens weren't silent because of apathy, but rather because
the question was in essence vast because it was all inclusive.

Drusus:
> On the eleventh of March, I posted to this list a message, an
entreaty, begging the people of Nova Roma to take a stand and to work
towards Her
noble goals.

Graecus:
I've already begged people to do it. My hope is that among the many that
pass through Nova Roma, a small subset will in fact believe NR's objectives
and will work for Nova Roma.

Cassius:
My personal feeling is that many Citizens are *interested* in doing things
within Nova Roma, but don't feel confident enough to say, create their own
Sodalitas, or feel they have enough time to run for an office. That's
something that will change in time, and it is. The reality is that folks are
becoming MORE involved as time goes on and Nova Roma itself adds on more
infrastructure and facilities.

Graecus:
I'm here since 2 years ago, and actively
participate on the Political and Religious life of the Urbs. I'll keep doing
that and I want to ask you to do the same. I've quitted from appealing the
others to be motivated and work. The best thing we can do is in fact to work
and be motivated ourselves.

Cassius:
Graecus, your involvement has helped indeed, as have the efforts of others.
You've certainly done much to provide a good example. :)

>The response was an attack
>on multiculturalism! Nova Roma is a nation dedicated to the restoration of
>Western Civilization as it once was, isn't it? That's why I joined.
> Ancient Rome stood not only as a great culture in Herself, but as a great
unifier
>of cultures. Our ancestors in Roma worked to embrace the rest of the
world...
>Rome was, and should be today, 'multiculturalism'!

Graecus:
I agree with you plainly, and the magistrates and religious officials (at
least the majority) think the same. That's why the foreign cults make part
of our Pantheon.

Cassius:
Again, I think all are in agreement here! Festus, our friend who sent the
"multiculturalism" post, wasn't at all decrying the fact that there are many
cultures in the US. He was merely saddened that the foundation of Classical
culture, which binds them all together, has suffered through
misunderstanding. Classical culture is ever an uplifting and unifying force,
rather than a repressive force.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


Subject:	Re: Why Nova Roma?
From:
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:01:11 EST

In a message dated 3/22/00 2:36:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------; writes:

<< On the eleventh of March, I posted to this list a message, an entreaty,
begging the people of Nova Roma to take a stand and to work towards Her
noble
goals. Eagerly I awaited some response, but for over a week there was none.

But finally, two days ago, a response did come.

Cassius:
I believe many were *interested* in your question, and that it probably
promoted a good deal of thought. Yet it was a BIG question to answer. I
myself tried to draft a reply four different times. Each time I rambled on to
the point where it looked like I was either running for office, or trying to
write a book! It seemed best to save everybody the tedium of trying to wade
through it all.

Drusus:
I must thank the Roman who
sent a response because that means my words did have some effect. However,
I
was disappointed at the content of the message. The response was an attack
on multiculturalism!

Cassius:
Ouch! I read that reply with enjoyment, myself. To *me* anyway, it seemed
that our friend was merely opposed to the idea of various U.S. cultures
deliberately trying to tear apart the common culture which gives them all
some sort of unity, in their efforts to be unique. The colonial "Founding
Fathers" drew upon Classical culture for a good reason... it allowed many
different ways of life to work together.

As a U.S. Citizen, it's easy to see some depressing traits in this country.
On one hand, many subgroups *seem* to want to remove whatever vestiges of
Classical Western heritage we still have, in an effort to promote themselves.
On the other, many "Establishment American" cultural groups ignore our
Classical heritage completely ... and associate Western culture ONLY with
Protestant Christian religion and values. (I hope that makes even a little
sense to others, it's plenty clear to me at any rate!) As a peaceful
Citizen, Romanitas seems like a safe and noble fallback point. It's a
heritage that allows various groups to live together while keep their
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Subject: Re: Why Nova Roma?
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In a message dated 3/22/00 2:36:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------; writes:

<< On the eleventh of March, I posted to this list a message, an entreaty,
begging the people of Nova Roma to take a stand and to work towards Her
noble
goals. Eagerly I awaited some response, but for over a week there was none.

But finally, two days ago, a response did come.

Cassius:
I believe many were *interested* in your question, and that it probably
promoted a good deal of thought. Yet it was a BIG question to answer. I
myself tried to draft a reply four different times. Each time I rambled on to
the point where it looked like I was either running for office, or trying to
write a book! It seemed best to save everybody the tedium of trying to wade
through it all.

Drusus:
I must thank the Roman who
sent a response because that means my words did have some effect. However,
I
was disappointed at the content of the message. The response was an attack
on multiculturalism!

Cassius:
Ouch! I read that reply with enjoyment, myself. To *me* anyway, it seemed
that our friend was merely opposed to the idea of various U.S. cultures
deliberately trying to tear apart the common culture which gives them all
some sort of unity, in their efforts to be unique. The colonial "Founding
Fathers" drew upon Classical culture for a good reason... it allowed many
different ways of life to work together.

As a U.S. Citizen, it's easy to see some depressing traits in this country.
On one hand, many subgroups *seem* to want to remove whatever vestiges of
Classical Western heritage we still have, in an effort to promote themselves.
On the other, many "Establishment American" cultural groups ignore our
Classical heritage completely ... and associate Western culture ONLY with
Protestant Christian religion and values. (I hope that makes even a little
sense to others, it's plenty clear to me at any rate!) As a peaceful
Citizen, Romanitas seems like a safe and noble fallback point. It's a
heritage that allows various groups to live together while keep their
separate identities ... and embodies a great deal of the spirit which the
"Founding Fathers" were trying to give our nation in the first place.

My sincere apologies for boring our overseas Citizens to tears with the
above... :P

Drusus:
Nova Roma is a nation dedicated to the restoration of
Western Civilization as it once was, isn't it? That's why I joined.
Ancient
Rome stood not only as a great culture in Herself, but as a great unifier of
cultures. Our ancestors in Roma worked to embrace the rest of the world...
Rome was, and should be today, 'multiculturalism'!

Cassius:
Again, I believe you and Festus are in accord. He made it quite clear that he
was all for many cultures living together... and that drawing on Classical
heritage has become a way to make that accord easier. "Multiculturalism"
isn't a bad thing. Rome incorporated it for many centuries! Difficulty only
comes when the basic ties that bind all the different cultures together
suddenly seem like an enemy... and they are deliberately broken in an effort
toward *real* separation.

> Once again I beg the Roman people to respond. Stand up and tell us all
why you joined Nova Roma! To avoid and look down upon others? Or to enjoy,
embrace, and unify?

Cassius:
Both you and Festus seem to have joined so that Classical culture can help us
to enjoy, embrace and unify. I entreat you to read his post again... you two
really do seem to be saying the same thing! :)

Anyway. I may well go back and try to answer your original question yet
again. Don't blame ME if it puts you to sleep due to it's length! Ancient
Roman civilization was HUGE, and that means that it leaves modern Roman
civilization an almost limitless potential to work from.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] NovaRoma Gathering in NJ ? - May 26-29
From:
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:01:53 EST

I'm all for it! Please keep me informed of any NR event in the NJ region!
I'm not far from Flemington and would love to be there!

--Dex


Subject:	Nuntiatio
From:	"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 10:41:03 PST

N. Moravius Vado salutes his fellow-citizens and regrets to announce that
because in his paid employment he is currently doing the work of at least
two people, and because his academic work is therefore in arrears, he may be
a few days late in reading and replying to e-mails.

He asks your indulgence (especially his fellow Brits'), and asks that any
mails requiring urgent attention be headed: OI! VADO! (Or something
similar).

Normal participation will be resumed as soon as I get my life back.

Semper salve atque vale,

Vado.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma?
From:
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 09:04:57 EST

I joined for the religious aspects.

--Dex

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma?
From:
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:20:25 US/Central

Salvete Druse Corneli et alii
(That looks wrong. Any Latin experts out there care to correct my declension?)

Scripsit Drusus Cornelius:
�On the eleventh of March, I posted to this list a message, an entreaty,
begging the people of Nova Roma to take a stand and to work towards Her noble
goals.�

Et respondeo:
And this time, I actually have the luxury of free time in which to respond.

I joined Nova Roma due primarily to an interest in the philosophies and culture
of ancient Rome that grew out of my childhood in England. It is impossible to
avoid contact with some remnant of Rome�s glory in Europe, and my parents took
me to visit most of the ruins dotting the British landscape. I�ve never
completely lost the sense of wonder that those ancient edifices instilled in me.

Currently, Nova Roma gives me an opportunity to touch the source of that
wonder, albeit indirectly. It also provides this list, which gives me access
to a group of people who share my admiration for the ancients. Additionally,
it offers a community for those who practice the Religio. I practice a
philosophy more than a religion, but I greatly value that aspect of Nova Roma
all the same. Most importantly, Nova Roma is a bastion of Romanitas. The
Roman virtues are important to me, and any effort to perpetuate them deserves
support.

My personal dream for the future includes a landed Nova Roma. I doubt true
statehood will ever occur for us (though stranger things have happened), but I
do foresee a time when we sponsor academic symposia, host living history
experiments, and own temples, libraries, and museums.

Valete,
T Labienus Fortunatus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma?
From:	"susan brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061158091009093031223225065148243223136058139046209" >scriba_forum@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:25:17 GMT

Salve, Drusus Cornelius Claudius:

I posted a note similar to this post this morning, but I have no idea what
planet it ended up on (not this one!!)...so if it shows up later, excuse the
repetition.

I wish to apologize for not posting to your original message sooner, because
of work, and homefront concerns.

I think you do well to remind us to reflect on what we might do as
individuals to make NovaRoma a more active and strong micronation...not only
while on the computer, but off it as well.

Unfortunately, time is often a valuable commodity for many of us with jobs,
children and the like. However, your words prompt me to perhaps use what
free time I do have to productive cause, like NR.

I can't right off hand think of an Ancient Roman who made a statement
analogous to one fitting statement made by JFK, so I'll quote him:
"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your
country"

Vale,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo

>From: Ira Adams <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=210166080237038233015038190036129" >iadams@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: "mailing list Nova Roma" <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma?
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 07:29:19 -0600
>
>Salve Drusus Cornelius,
>
>I think that there is no clear agreement among Nova Romans as to goals.
>Personally, I signed up for the idea of reviving the Roman virtues in the
>modern -- no, make that "current" -- world. Spend a year or so
>participating here in the Forum, though, and you'll probably realize that
>your fellow citizens don't really share much in the way of unifying goals
>or purposes. Some evidently see this just as a place to "dress up and
>play Romans." Others just enjoy the excuse to act arrogant and snotty
>(that's what being "Roman" means, isn't it?). Some have
>intellectual/academic interests (and some, pretensions) and use this as a
>sort of ongoing seminar. Many here have an interest exclusively in some
>form of the Religio, and are interested in little else. A few
>(apparently) want to seriously create a real world "mini-state" -- an
>idea that I think is intriguing but probably doomed (since Janet Reno
>hasn't forsworn the use of flame-throwing tanks and helicopter gunships
>to snuff out people who differ from the prescribed norms).
>
>I noted the post against multiculturalism as rather ridiculous in the
>context of things Roman, since Rome was probably the most multicultural
>society of all time, and many see that as having been one of it's
>greatest strengths.
>
>Find what your goals in Nova Roma are and work toward them. You may find
>yourself in interesting company.
>
>Vale,
>
>Lucius Sergius Australicus
>
>On 3/22/00 4:35 AM <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------; (<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------;)
>wrote:
>
> >From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------;
> >
> >Salve Nova Roma!
> >
> > On the eleventh of March, I posted to this list a message, an
>entreaty,
> >begging the people of Nova Roma to take a stand and to work towards Her
> >noble
> >goals. Eagerly I awaited some response, but for over a week there was
> >none.
> >But finally, two days ago, a response did come. I must thank the Roman
>who
> >sent a response because that means my words did have some effect.
> >However, I
> >was dissapointed at the content of the message. The response was an
>attack
> >on multiculturalism! Nova Roma is a nation dedicated to the restoration
>of
> >Western Civilization as it once was, isn't it? That's why I joined.
> >Ancient
> >Rome stood not only as a great culture in Herself, but as a great unifier
>of
> >cultures. Our ancestors in Roma worked to embrace the rest of the
>world...
> >Rome was, and should be today, 'multiculturalism'!
> > Once again I beg the Roman people to respond. Stand up and tell us
>all
> >why you joined Nova Roma! To avoid and look down upon others? Or to
>enjoy,
> >embrace, and unify?
> >
> >For the Senate and the Roman People, valete!
> >Drusus Cornelius Claudius

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Subject:	epistula longa Re: Why Nova Roma?
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:27:47 -0500

Salvete Druse Corneli et alii

One thing that you may want to keep in mind is that noone knows what
everyone else is doing or thinking. The fact that the number and content of
replies to a very general question differs from one's expectations should
not be taken as
proof one way or another of anything.

In Uxbridge, MA last year, I had the wonderful opportunity to meet some of
my fellow Novoromani. Audens, Luna and I were talking about a similar
question, that is, what were our concrete goals and how should we attain
them. I told them that I hoped that we could say little about long-term
goals, especially here in the forum. Why? Do I lack imagination or
interest in the future? Maybe, but I don't think so. The reason that I
have learned to cringe at this type of profound question in the forum is
that it generally leads to -

-bickering, infighting, division, mostly fueled by misunderstanding inherent
in this medium of communication
-expressions of despair ("oh no, we're not achieving any of our goals!")
-posturing ("you're not as pagan as I am" or "it takes a higher level of
education to follow what I'm after here")
-unadulterated nonsense ("we should buy a small African country and turn it
into a Roman theme park")

I wouldn't even respond now, except that I don't want you to think that
noone cares about Nova Roma, or that you should lend any weight to the
negative suspicions that you voice.

I joined Nova Roma because I loved Roma. I have a long-standing interest in
Latin language and literature, and had dreamed years ago as a silly boy of
resurrecting the Roman Republic. Over the years, these tendencies evolved
into a sort of identification with Roma. While surfing
the Internet looking for information on Roman history (can't remember
exactly what I sought that day, actually). My first reaction to Nova Roma
was strong curiosity, which led me to read some of the founding documents.
I came back to the site the next day, less curious now than afraid, because
I was drawn to Nova Roma and its stated goals and felt that this would
entail a large commitment on my part. I was right to be afraid, since NR
has in fact taken a substantial amount of my time (both in participating in
its online life and in offline projects and work, particularly my attempt to
translate the old constitution and my service as rogator, vote counting
official). But I don't regret it at all, because I have high hopes for Nova
Roma. I honestly hope that we can work productively toward the goals set
forth in the founding documents, and I suspect that we really can. We have
a lot of bright people here and some very good ideas. As examples, look at
all the great work done by all the Eagle editors to date; M Cassius
Iulianus, one of the founders, contributes excellent fundrasing vehicles,
such as the vexilla; look at the work put into the constitution and laws by
F Vedius Germanicus, the other founder (among other people of course); and
the great thing is that all this is just a part of what Nova Roma is doing,
because people are doing research and thinking of ways to arrange events and
other activites individually and in small groups.

Let's look at Nova Roma from a narrow perspective: why Nova Roma, you ask.
Or, what good is Nova Roma? In terms of Latin language, let's say just to
focus a bit, leaving aside the perhaps more fundamental spheres of religion
and law, here is what it is good for: most people think that Latin is a
dead language, useful for study only as a distraction or superficially as an
introduction to deeper study of modern languages, or not at all. But in
fact, Latin is coming back to life, which I know only through my involvement
in Nova Roma. Last year, A Claudius Lucentius Nigellus won a competition in
poetry by submitting his own original Latin poem for the Ludi Apollinares,
the first time, as far as I know, that these games were celebrated in honor
of the god Apollo for many centuries (thanks to the initiative of A Cryllus
Craecus, then aedilis plebis - Ohe Craece scin tu praetorem urbanum egisse
ludos apollinares in antiqua Roma Itaque poteris iterum id facere in hoc
anno). People here in Nova Roma are
re-constructing prayers to the gods in Latin, and saying them in
accompaniment to their offerings to the gods. And here in the forum, there
is an occasional sharing of a resource relating to the study of Latin, which
in and of itself is helpful. We could pursue some of these activities in
total isolation, but Nova Roma provides a framework for specific purposes
and occasions to stimulate these activities, and, just as important, a place
to find people for collaboration.

And this is just one little piece of the whole mosaic of Nova Roma known to
me, one person.

To you and all of us, let's continue. Let's do our research, contribute to
the Eagle if we can, contribute to the treasury if we can. And let's not
look for ways to piss each other off, they will present themselves along the
way in abundance. I salute all you Romans who do so now and pledge my
allegiance again to our cause.

Valete

C Marius Merullus
Senator

>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------;
>
>Salve Nova Roma!
>
> On the eleventh of March, I posted to this list a message, an
entreaty,
>begging the people of Nova Roma to take a stand and to work towards Her
noble
>goals. Eagerly I awaited some response, but for over a week there was
none.
>But finally, two days ago, a response did come. I must thank the Roman who
>sent a response because that means my words did have some effect. However,
I
>was dissapointed at the content of the message. The response was an attack

>For the Senate and the Roman People, valete!
>Drusus Cornelius Claudius


Subject:	Vocative case was Re: Why Nova Roma?
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:55:23 -0500

Salvete Tite Labiene et alii

It looks perfect to me.

Valete

CMM

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>Salvete Druse Corneli et alii
>(That looks wrong)
>


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma?
From:	"susan brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061158091009093031223225065148243223136058139046209" >scriba_forum@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:31:44 GMT

Salve Drusus Cornelius Claudius: I owe you an apology for not posting to
your original letter sooner, as I intended to do. Reasons? Work and
matters on the homefront. You did well to call upon us to think about how
we can each contribute to making NovaRoma a stronger republic and
micronation. We don't always have alot of original ideas, but there are
other cives, magistrates who do, whom we can call upon to assist.

I can't think of an Ancient Roman right off hand who made a statement
analogous to the following, but this is what JFK said once: "Ask not what
your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country?".
Summarizes your letter very well, I think.

Vale,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo,Scribus
Nova Roma

>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------;
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma?
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 05:35:24 EST
>
>Salve Nova Roma!
>
> On the eleventh of March, I posted to this list a message, an
>entreaty,
>begging the people of Nova Roma to take a stand and to work towards Her
>noble
>goals. Eagerly I awaited some response, but for over a week there was
>none.
>But finally, two days ago, a response did come. I must thank the Roman who
>sent a response because that means my words did have some effect. However,
>I
>was dissapointed at the content of the message. The response was an attack
>on multiculturalism! Nova Roma is a nation dedicated to the restoration of
>Western Civilization as it once was, isn't it? That's why I joined.
>Ancient
>Rome stood not only as a great culture in Herself, but as a great unifier
>of
>cultures. Our ancestors in Roma worked to embrace the rest of the world...
>Rome was, and should be today, 'multiculturalism'!
> Once again I beg the Roman people to respond. Stand up and tell us
>all
>why you joined Nova Roma! To avoid and look down upon others? Or to
>enjoy,
>embrace, and unify?
>
>For the Senate and the Roman People, valete!
>Drusus Cornelius Claudius

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Subject:	[novaroma] vacation
From:
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:52:08 EST

Just a quick note to let everyone know that I will be on vacation from
tomorrow through next week and will not be checking mail until the week of
April 3.

I will most likely delete all mail received rather than go through hordes of
messages. So please write "DEX READ THIS" in the subject line of any e-mail
you want me to read.

Thanks all....

--Dex


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma?
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:13:15 -0000

Salvete omnes

And I would like to remind you that although the issues and decisions of the
Nova Roman government and religious institutions are seldom posted to the
list (yes, this is in my view a fault of which you, Quirites, have reason to
complain), we are working actively and have very promising plans for the
near future. I do not feel myself as allowed to speak in more detail about
these plans, for some are still confidential. But I can swear on Iuppiter
that there is people working seriously in NR, which will hopefully attain
important objectives in the world outside. Meanwhile, and somehow violating
a few statements on a precedent posting, I ask you, the Populus Novae Romae
to help spread our word, the return of Roman civilisation. This is an
important way to help Nova Roma and to help the Nova Roman government to
have weight on the outside world. If you don't feel confortable doing this,
there is another, a very simple way to help: be a Roman in your daily life.

Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex et Magistratus