Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma? Festus again.
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:08:10 EST

Greetings Cornelius, and all others who wrote,

Cornelius, I think Cassius is right in saying that you and I {and the
others who disagreed with me} may not really be in disagreement after all.
Allow me to reiterate a few points and hopefully clear things up a bit.

You say Roman civilization was multicultural. I agree. You also believe
that diversity within unity is a good thing. Again, I agree with you!

But Cornelius, the sad truth is, the brand of "multiculturalism" being
sold like Pokemon merchandise all over the country, is NOT unifying. You and
I, and hopefully every other Roman here, would like to see our Classical
world live again. Yet Western Civilization, which includes the Classical
world, is attacked, derided, denegrated, and spat upon by this
"multiculturalism". According to this dogma, Western Civ is barbarism,
slavery, sexist, racist, environmentally destructive, 'homophobic' {gods, I
hate that cliche}...in short, it is evil. Third World cultures {read
"minority cultures} are good, edifying, in harmony with nature, feminist
{HA!! Tell that to the defibulated women in Africa!}

This "multiculturalism" is not about unity at all! It is a return to
tribalism. "Us vs them". With the end of the Cold War, and no arch enemies
to unite against, tribalism breaks out again. Look at Eastern Europe. Look
at Africa. There is "multiculturalism" for you.

Why is this? All nations, to survive, MUST have some things in common
among all their people. A common language is one of them. Diversity?
Fine. But there must also be COMMONALITY. "Multiculturalism" is divisive,
and focuses on difference exclusively, and in the worst cases, involves the
making of mythical "histories" to make people "feel good about themselves".
Afrocentrism is a case in point.

Do you value diversity? Are you proud of your Western Heritage? I know
you are! So...avoid "multiculturalism". The proponents will tell you to
take your Toga Virilis and wipe your buttocks with it!

Instead of "multiculturalism", I prefer "uniculturalism". It is expressed
in the American motto E Plurebus Unum. Out of many, one. I think you also
desire the same thing.

You might wish to read the book I am reading now. THE DISUNITING OF
AMERICA by Arthur M. Schlesinger. Also, if you come across it, read THE BOOK
WARS by James Atlas. And any articles by Dinesh D'Souza are good to read.
He is an Indian scholar who also deplores the denigration of Western Civ.

Best Wishes,

Gaius Lupinius Festus

Subject:	Why Nova Roma? To Cassius
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:08:15 EST

Salve, Senator of Roma!

Thank you very much for your comments. I am very glad you understood what
I was trying to say and saw that my Toga.

You are absolutely right in what you said about the arrogance here being
mostly computer-generated. I too have misinterpreted notes in my 8 years of
online activity, since all we see are words on a screen, and we do not hear
tones of voice, inflections, or see smiles when exaggeration or irony is
being expressed.

I hope we can chat more in the Forum soon!

Festus

Subject:	Romans @ Quest in Flemmington area Memorial day W.E.
From:	<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=029056091078082116036098203004129208071" >merlinia@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:44:58 -0000

Salvete, Omes. Merlinia Ambrosius Artori here.
Oh, my secret's out. I'm in the SCA. Have been for 20 years.
However, I think Gallio has a good idea about holding a N.R.
gettogether there. There are other Romans at this event, who
may like to join Nova Roma. Also, there will be good food-
for those who were at Roman Days, the tall redhead who helped
me cook is running the feast.(Berlinde is her name). There will
be throwing contests, and you can learn there, too. We have
entertaining campfires-Gallio is a great singer! Also, the Quest
itself has always been chalenging and fun, with prizes made by
one Serric, a 3rd. C. German, and a Jewler & silversmith 9-5.
Oh, and there are merchants; ours, and on Sunday, a large flea-
market goes on accross the street.
The only thing is- you have to wear clothing of pre-1600 at all
times.Also, No brandishing of steel.
I hope I will be seeing many of you!
-M.

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma? Festus again.
From:	"susan brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061158091009093031223225065148243223136058139046209" >scriba_forum@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Mar 2000 04:31:36 GMT

Salve, Festus: If you may have seen, I posted a note this morning on
multiculturalism. I was speaking favourably of this largely within the
framework of Nova Roma, meaning cives from many cultures mutually united by
a bond to the values, culture, etc. of Ancient Rome. I agree that we need a
unifying bond, but within NovaRoma we have one....A love of all things
Roman.

Again, I was speaking within our
organizational framework. I am aware that there are those in the world who
like to "ramrod" their cultural and religious beliefs down the throats of
others in the name of multiculturalism. But this to me is not true
"multiculturalism" and it was certainly not the multiculturalism I was
referring to, which is based on a "mutual" understanding and tolerance, with
a common ideal.

What these peoples are engaged in, is a propoganda mission, based on their
own "homophobia". I don't mean to suggest that we sacrifice our culture,
belief systems to placate others, who have no intention of reciprocating.
No mutual understanding there, so no "true" multiculturalism.

What I have enjoyed to date in Nova Roma are warm relationships with people
from other cultures united by a love of Roma. This has been an enriching
experience for me....my idea of multiculturalism...an instrument of pax and
amicitia.

I hope this expands on my perspective a bit.

Vale,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo



>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma? Festus again.
>Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:08:10 EST
>
>Greetings Cornelius, and all others who wrote,
>
> Cornelius, I think Cassius is right in saying that you and I {and the
>others who disagreed with me} may not really be in disagreement after all.
>Allow me to reiterate a few points and hopefully clear things up a bit.
>
> You say Roman civilization was multicultural. I agree. You also
>believe
>that diversity within unity is a good thing. Again, I agree with you!
>
> But Cornelius, the sad truth is, the brand of "multiculturalism" being
>sold like Pokemon merchandise all over the country, is NOT unifying. You
>and
>I, and hopefully every other Roman here, would like to see our Classical
>world live again. Yet Western Civilization, which includes the Classical
>world, is attacked, derided, denegrated, and spat upon by this
>"multiculturalism". According to this dogma, Western Civ is barbarism,
>slavery, sexist, racist, environmentally destructive, 'homophobic' {gods, I
>hate that cliche}...in short, it is evil. Third World cultures {read
>"minority cultures} are good, edifying, in harmony with nature, feminist
>{HA!! Tell that to the defibulated women in Africa!}
>
> This "multiculturalism" is not about unity at all! It is a return to
>tribalism. "Us vs them". With the end of the Cold War, and no arch
>enemies
>to unite against, tribalism breaks out again. Look at Eastern Europe.
>Look
>at Africa. There is "multiculturalism" for you.
>
> Why is this? All nations, to survive, MUST have some things in common
>among all their people. A common language is one of them. Diversity?
>Fine. But there must also be COMMONALITY. "Multiculturalism" is divisive,
>and focuses on difference exclusively, and in the worst cases, involves the
>making of mythical "histories" to make people "feel good about themselves".
>Afrocentrism is a case in point.
>
> Do you value diversity? Are you proud of your Western Heritage? I know
>you are! So...avoid "multiculturalism". The proponents will tell you to
>take your Toga Virilis and wipe your buttocks with it!
>
> Instead of "multiculturalism", I prefer "uniculturalism". It is
>expressed
>in the American motto E Plurebus Unum. Out of many, one. I think you also
>desire the same thing.
>
> You might wish to read the book I am reading now. THE DISUNITING OF
>AMERICA by Arthur M. Schlesinger. Also, if you come across it, read THE
>BOOK
>WARS by James Atlas. And any articles by Dinesh D'Souza are good to read.
>He is an Indian scholar who also deplores the denigration of Western Civ.
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Gaius Lupinius Festus
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] epistula longa Re: Why Nova Roma?
From:
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:49:16 EST

On 3/22/00 1:27 PM RMerullo (<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>) wrote:

>From: "RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
>
>Salvete Druse Corneli et alii
>
[SNIP!]
>.... The reason that I
>have learned to cringe at this type of profound question in the forum is
>that it generally leads to -
>
>-bickering, infighting, division, mostly fueled by misunderstanding inherent
>in this medium of communication
>-expressions of despair ("oh no, we're not achieving any of our goals!")
>-posturing ("you're not as pagan as I am" or "it takes a higher level of
>education to follow what I'm after here")
>-unadulterated nonsense ("we should buy a small African country and turn it
>into a Roman theme park")
>
ROFL! Thanks, Caius Marius -- I had forgotten that last one! That was a
jewel of an idea! Maybe that fellow should come back and entertain us
some more.
>
[more good sense snipped]
>To you and all of us, let's continue. Let's do our research, contribute to
>the Eagle if we can, contribute to the treasury if we can. And let's not
>look for ways to piss each other off, they will present themselves along the
>way in abundance. I salute all you Romans who do so now and pledge my
>allegiance again to our cause.
Hear! Hear!
>
>Valete
>
>C Marius Merullus
>Senator

Lucius Sergius Australicus
Tribunus Plebis


certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma?
From:
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:49:12 EST

Salve Marcus Cassius,

Among the drawbacks of this form of communication is that I tend to be
dashing off quick responses to people early in the morning when I need to
be already on my way to the office!

Let me clarify a couple of my hasty statements...

On 3/22/00 9:39 AM <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=219166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >c--------us622@--------</--------; (<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=219166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >c--------us622@--------</--------;) wrote:

>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=219166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >c--------us622@--------</--------;
>
>In a message dated 3/22/00 5:32:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
><a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=210166080237038233015038190036129" >iadams@--------</a> writ--------/font>
>
>> I think that there is no clear agreement among Nova Romans as to goals.
>
>Cassius:
>As with anything, no full set of goals is likely to work completely for
>*all*
>of us. However there are certain things that bring us together, such as the
>obvious interest in ancient Rome...
>
>Australicus:
> Personally, I signed up for the idea of reviving the Roman virtues in the
> modern -- no, make that "current" -- world.
>
>Cassius:
>A good example! You probably won't find many in NR who think the Roman
>Virtues are a BAD idea. Yet, not everyone has come here because of them
>directly, or considers them to be their main topic of interest. Happily,
>Rome
>is a vast topic and there can be something for everyone that may want to
>participate.
>
>Australicus:
> Spend a year or so
> participating here in the Forum, though, and you'll probably realize that
> your fellow citizens don't really share much in the way of unifying goals
> or purposes.
>
>Cassius:
>Well, you'll find that it can be easy to forget about unifying goals and
>purposes in the middle of a debate or argument, anyway! ;)
Australicus: there are a number of goals that many of us share. There are
few that have caused us to "come together" as a nation. The only such
that I can recall has been when some interloper has posted attacks on the
Religio here. Then we briefly closed ranks and the only dissension was
whether to throw him out at once or to try him and then throw him out!

>Australicus:
> Some evidently see this just as a place to "dress up and
> play Romans."
>
>Cassius:
>We do indeed have some "reenactor" folks which enjoy doing Living History
>stuff, such as the Legion Reenactors. Some of them are also into the
>politics
>etc, but not necessarily all. No matter... events such as Roman Days help to
>gain public interest and do teach the public some basics about history, etc.
>:)
Australicus: I never meant this literally, as with re-enactors. In fact,
I wish there were a group of them close by that I could participate with.
By "dress up and play" I meant some who seem to enjoy dramatic posturing
in the Forum here. And that's perfectly OK too -- I think we all do a
little of it from time to time, some more than others.
>
>Australicus:
>Others just enjoy the excuse to act arrogant and snotty
> (that's what being "Roman" means, isn't it?).
>
>Cassius:
>LOL! Much of the "arrogance" here seems to be computer generated than
>anything else. It's amazing how easy it is to take people's intent the wrong
>way by Email. I myself have had some heated arguments here, only to meet
>people face to face later on and find they were quite nice. It's easy to
>forget how much info we get from voice inflection, expressions, etc. The
>difference between a wry comment by Email and a mortal insult is often in
>the
>eye of the beholder... and in the typing skill (or lack thereof) of the
>sender.
Australicus: This one I did mean just as stated, although there is a lot
of truth in your response. I've been the recipient of several arrogant
and snotty messages from fellow citizens over the past year. I'm pretty
thick-skinned, but I hate to think how such postings in the Forum here
(as opposed to those in private email) may look to people who are just
investigating whether they might want to be a part of Nova Roma.
>
>Australicus:
>Some have
> intellectual/academic interests (and some, pretensions) and use this as a
> sort of ongoing seminar.
>
>Cassius:
>I do that myself with many subjects, (the interests part, hopefully not the
>pretensions part!) and have learned a great deal.
>
>Australicus:
>Many here have an interest exclusively in some
> form of the Religio, and are interested in little else.
>
>Cassius:
>I don't believe I've met anyone in the Religio who isn't also interested in
>Roman culture! Again it's simply a matter of focus. Many Religio folks are
>intent with the work of rebuilding various religious aspects and simply
>don't
>have time for a lot of other involvement. After all this isn't a full time
>job for any of us.
Australicus: Some here have stated on occasion that the religious aspect
is all they're really interested in, but my use of the word "many" was a
hasty error. It hasn't been "many."

>Australicus:
>>A few
> (apparently) want to seriously create a real world "mini-state" -- an
> idea that I think is intriguing but probably doomed (since Janet Reno
> hasn't forsworn the use of flame-throwing tanks and helicopter gunships
> to snuff out people who differ from the prescribed norms).
>
>Cassius:
>You can count me among these people. (And among the people who are extremely
>not interested in getting Janet Reno and established governments upset!) The
>intent of Nova Roma is to be a benefit to existing nations rather than a
>problem. I believe that there is an outside chance, *far* in the future,
>that
>Nova Roma might be viewed internationally as a serious focus for a rebirth
>of
>Roman culture. Maybe there might even be a *limited* sovereignty through
>that
>in some respects, such as diplomatic dialogue with a country or two. Such
>things have been done before. The Knights of Malta for instance, are
>considered sovereign and have some limited diplomatic relations... even
>though they own all of one building as "sovereign territory". And if such
>ideas don't work? We continue to have an interesting and valid organization.
>A no loss situation.

Again, I think it's an intriguing and worthwhile idea -- one of the
reasons I joined, in fact, -- but very few here have been willing to talk
about arranging some national income to amass the capital required to do
anything in that direction.

I'm not familiar with the Knights of Malta as a modern organization --
will have to look into that.
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus

Vale, and thanks for your response,

L. Sergius Aust.


certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

Subject:	768 - Why I joined NR
From:	Donald and Crystal Meaker <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029056113163056209105098072248155208071048" >meakerfam@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:23:07 -0600

Salvete,


I joined NR because of the Religio. I have since become Flamina Iunonis
and still listen to the wishes of Ivno. She has shared with me at least
some of her wishes and I have not passed them on to Nova Roma because
apparently Ivno did not get the memo. She is willing to bow to these
"modern" times, but PC is NOT her strong suit. Her wishes would go over
like a ton of bricks in Nova Roma, especially with the women.


After all this time, I am still not sure what the goals of NR are and so
I pay little attention. I have basically gone right back to solitary
practice. My few friends here are good Romans. They also tend to remain
silent on this list, as I have since I ended my exile. I glance at the
digests and sigh a lot.


I have not given up on Nova Roma. Someday all the PCBS will go the way
of the dinosaur (as it should be) and she will rise to become a shining
example to the rest of the world. The Roman Virtues are NOT Politically
Correct, especially in America. Nor should Political Correctness even be
an issue. But it tends to be.


I concentrate on my family, as is a Matrons duty (although many, even
within NR may disagree). My Sodalis Familaris is doing well. The online
temple of Ivno is still there. The Religio Romana Temple is still
accepting members (no 501c3 because no money is accepted for any reason).
Nova Roma's first born son is doing well. The gods shine on my family
and I refuse to take that for granted (been there, done that, have the
bruises and scars to show for it too).


I'm not even as long winded as I used to be <G>.



Pax vobiscum,
Amethystia Iunia Crystallina Materna
Flamina Iunonis

Through my constant care, my husband flourished.
-From an epitaph found at Rome (1st century B.C.)

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma? Festus again.
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=203232245037127031172223065101114237071048139" >Im2Brandon@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Mar 2000 01:37:36 EST

Salvete Omnes:

First I would like to thank citizen Drusus Cornelius Claudius for
bringing this pertinent topic up, for it is something that every citizen
needs to address for him or herself: What are my dreams for this Republic,
and how can I achieve them, and how would I like to see the Republic grow...

My name is Publius Cornelius Sertorius Claudius, and I've just recently
been gifted with the pleasure of citizenship in this fine nation. Some of you
speak of Western Civilization as a civilization with a proud history, and if
anything that we should praise that history, and denounce multiculturalism,
as an evil eroding the foundation of this fine society....

Wake up. The fairy tale may have been wondrous in your mind, but let's
come back down to reality. The history of Western Civilization has been one
of conquest, imperialism, greed, and an over-awareness of its own presumed
importance. By the gift of chance, Europe was allowed to grow, after the
serious failings of Imperial Rome, into the power that dominated the World,
and the power that decided to dominate the rest of the world, and push its
beliefs and ideas onto other nations, and along with that, embraced ideas
that said they were divinely ordained to dominate and subjugate the rest of
the Earth. A great history. And for those of you that don't understand what I
mean about chance, I would like you to read, Rise and Fall of the Great Powers
, by Paul Kennedy, which intriguingly states a case for an Ottoman conquest
of Europe, or the technical advances, such as muskets, could have been
achieved by China 100 years or more before Europe could have possibly known
the difference between their arses and the end of a musket.

Oh, and in response to the demise of this nation, it will not be because
of cultural division, oh no, you fail to see that before a sense of cultural
unity, NOT oneness, there needs to be a sense of national unity, service to
the common good, and your fellow man. Governments and civilizations fall, not
due to cultural diversity, but to the lack of civility and trust in your
fellow citizen. Doors are locked and walls are created, and each house
becomes a fortress... And lastly geopolitical entities also begin to traipse
toward their eventual downfall when the citizens stop taking part in the
political process. As little as 20% of the populace showed out for the last
popular election, if this nation is to continue to exist, the idea of civic
duty needs to be addressed.

So in conclusion, don't blame multiculuralism. Every culture has a view
point to share, ideas to exchange, that very well have the power to help the
whole, as long as one culture doesn't impose its ideas on the others...

LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC! LONG LIVE ROME!

For the Senate and the Roman people, Valete!

P. Cornelius Sertorius Claudius.

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma? Festus again.
From:
Date:	Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:22:31 -0800

Salve!

I wanted to comment on this briefly.... :)

----- Original Message -----
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=203232245037127031172223065101114237071048139" >Im2Brandon@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma? Festus again.


> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=203232245037127031172223065101114237071048139" >Im2Brandon@--------</a>
>
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> First I would like to thank citizen Drusus Cornelius Claudius for
> bringing this pertinent topic up, for it is something that every citizen
> needs to address for him or herself: What are my dreams for this Republic,
> and how can I achieve them, and how would I like to see the Republic
grow...

I, too, would like to thank my Gens member, Drusus Cornelius in bringing up
this topic for each of us to ponder. Its very beneficial that at times we
all stop and take a look and examine why we all want belong to this
organization. We are all motivated for different reasons, as illlustrated
by the varied responses given by our citizens.

> My name is Publius Cornelius Sertorius Claudius, and I've just
recently
> been gifted with the pleasure of citizenship in this fine nation. Some of
you
> speak of Western Civilization as a civilization with a proud history, and
if
> anything that we should praise that history, and denounce
multiculturalism,
> as an evil eroding the foundation of this fine society....

I dont think anyone has been that blunt to denounce mulitculturalism. :)
We all have different opinions and different beliefs. To say something that
hard and fast would be improper. :)

> Wake up. The fairy tale may have been wondrous in your mind, but let's
> come back down to reality. The history of Western Civilization has been
one
> of conquest, imperialism, greed, and an over-awareness of its own presumed
> importance.

Sulla: Lets not just limit this arguement to Western Civilization. Every
civilization has thrived on conquest, greed and an overawareness of its own
presumed importance. The best example of the later would be China and
Japan, when they closed of contact with Westerners. :)

By the gift of chance, Europe was allowed to grow, after the
> serious failings of Imperial Rome, into the power that dominated the
World,
> and the power that decided to dominate the rest of the world, and push its
> beliefs and ideas onto other nations, and along with that, embraced ideas
> that said they were divinely ordained to dominate and subjugate the rest
of
> the Earth.

Sulla: That is an overgeneralization.

A great history. And for those of you that don't understand what I
> mean about chance, I would like you to read, Rise and Fall of the Great
Powers
> , by Paul Kennedy, which intriguingly states a case for an Ottoman
conquest
> of Europe, or the technical advances, such as muskets, could have been
> achieved by China 100 years or more before Europe could have possibly
known
> the difference between their arses and the end of a musket.

Sulla: I have that book....I think its an excellent book. However, its
just one book. There are others that describe what if's and hypotheticals
too. :) But, the point is is that in the beginning the Ottomans had the
edge but failed to follow through, Remember, it was a Hungarian who gave the
Ottomans their cannons! :)

> Oh, and in response to the demise of this nation, it will not be
because
> of cultural division, oh no, you fail to see that before a sense of
cultural
> unity, NOT oneness, there needs to be a sense of national unity, service
to
> the common good, and your fellow man. Governments and civilizations fall,
not
> due to cultural diversity, but to the lack of civility and trust in your
> fellow citizen. Doors are locked and walls are created, and each house
> becomes a fortress... And lastly geopolitical entities also begin to
traipse
> toward their eventual downfall when the citizens stop taking part in the
> political process. As little as 20% of the populace showed out for the
last
> popular election, if this nation is to continue to exist, the idea of
civic
> duty needs to be addressed.

Sulla: I dont think you and Festus disagree so much in this respect.
Please reread his statement again. :)

> So in conclusion, don't blame multiculuralism. Every culture has a
view
> point to share, ideas to exchange, that very well have the power to help
the
> whole, as long as one culture doesn't impose its ideas on the others...

Sulla: As I said above, no one is blaming multiculturalism. Rather, how
people tend to implement their version of multiculturalism.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

Subject:	ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem X Kalendas April (March 23rd)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:37:40 -0000

Salvete omnes

This day (NP=Nefastus Publicus), is for special religious observance. No
public business can take place.

The Tubilustrium is the fifth and last day of the Quinquatrus, sacred to
Mars and Minerva. On this day the trumpets (tubae) are purified. This
trumpets are used in religious ceremonies. The priests who play the trumpets
are the "Tibicines Sacrorum populi romani".
An ewe is sacrificed to Nerio Martis (Force of Mars).

This is the eighth day of a nine-day fast for the worshipers of Cybele,
leading up to the Day of Blood on March 24th.

Valete

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex

Subject:	My dreams for Nova Roma
From:	Pat Washburn <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Mar 2000 08:48:48 -0500

My dream is for an organization that goes about the business of promoting
awareness of the history of ancient Rome, for the purpose of recapturing
the excellences of the past and learning from the excesses. Such an
organization would be open to people of all religious and political
opinions.

Its activities might include
- raising money to donate scholarly works on the Roman world to
libraries
- helping to preserve historic Roman sites
- putting on demonstrations of Roman life, including military,
cultural and religious events
- compiling and publishing information on Roman history and daily
life in a format accessible to non-scholars
- offering resources for ordinary citizens to improve their skills
in Latin language, costuming, cooking, wine-making, armoring, military
drill and other activities related to Roman culture
- encouraging the study of ancient Rome by offering scholarships or
small grants to those doing scholarly work in the field

If anyone likes any of these ideas and would like to get started with it,
you have my blessing... ;)



Patricia Cassia . Quaestor, Nova Roma
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197063113185056135042082190036" >p--------@--------</a>

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] My dreams for Nova Roma
From:	"Jeffrey L. Graham" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045056047121127198187242109140244253188098030046209130" >--------reygraham@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Mar 2000 10:23:06 +0000

I joined Nova Roma because of my interest in Roman history, religion, and
culture; I would like to see a general revival of Roman culture. I love
anything and everything Roman and like the idea of being able to call
myself a Roman. I have applied for a position as a priest of Isis. Hope
I get it. :)

ICQ # 55638228

Subject:	My reasons for being a part of Nova Roma
From:
Date:	Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:50:45 -0000

Well, this is my first post to this list, so I might as well start
here.

I'm interested in Nova Roma for a number of reasons. Primary among
these is the great respect I have for the original Rome. Any state
that can last as long as Rome did (in all its aspects) and have such
a strong influence on world culture is important to myself and
others. Through Nova Roma, I hope to gain a better understanding of
that state, and how it can be applied to current-day affairs.
Ideally, I would like to see it established as an independent state.
I sincerely believe it could be a much more rational and less divided
state than currently exists (with the possible exception of Canada).

Secondly, I wish to be a part of Nova Roma in order to learn to apply
the Roman virtues to my own life. While the Religio is not mine, I
believe I have much to learn from studying the virtues, and from
those who have learned to apply them in their own lives, no matter
how well or poorly.

Those are my most important reasons, and I take this opportunity to
greet the citizens of Nova Roma. I hope to be soon among your number.

Greg Rothenberger (M. Stellatinus)
New Albany, Indiana (USA)
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Subject:	Re: Organizatin of Canada Occidentalis
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Mar 2000 12:55:50 -0500 (EST)

Salve, Quintus Sertoris:

Welcome to Nova Roma. I applaaud your offer to help as a Praetor for
the subject province. In order to proceed with such an offer, it would
be proper to forward to the Consuls, your qualifications for this task,
including your manergerial experience, time available to devote to the
effort, and your background relating to the determination of being
interested in Roman Culture and Nova Roma. The Consuls will review your
application for the position and forward such to the Senate as an agenda
item, when next the Senate is summoned to deliberate.

Any and all information representing your fitness, enthusiasm, and
ability to take on this position should be included in such an
application. The format of the application is not important but the
content is of detailed importance as both the Consuls and the Senate
will survey the information provided closely before making a decision.

Again, welcome to Nova Roma, and good luck in making out your
application. If I may be of further assistance, you have but to ask.

Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Consul et Senator

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Why Nova Roma? Festus again.
From:
Date:	Thu, 23 Mar 2000 16:24:33 EST

Salve P. Cornelius Sertorius Claudius.

<< don't blame multiculuralism >>

I don't think Gaius Lupinius Festus means disrespect against those of other
cultures. Although I believe he does have a point. Last year during Spring
Break I traveled through Southern Texas, and in doing so stopped for the
night at a very small town (within the United States). The town was
completely Mexican/Hispanic, nothing wrong with that (But only the Hotel
Clerk spoke English).

The next day as I was putting together my bags I was Unfortunate enough to
witness a yearly festival at the town. The festival included a parade which
consisted of nothing but Anti-American Material. A man on high stilts
dressed up as "Uncle Sam" was ritually brought down with sticks and beaten to
death by "Freedom Fighters," and of course there was much burning of American
Flags.

This town was located 500 miles within the United States, but with all the
Anti-American protesting going on I decided to sneak out the back.

Vale

Iulius Thompsonus

Faber est suae quisque fortunae.

Subject:	Latin Usage Query
From:	"Adrianus Arius Acadianus Draco" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045015192254056209050218001036129208" >jhebert@--------&--------a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:05:34 -0000

Salvete, Cives! Si valetis, valeo...

A fellow Citizen and I have been having an interesting electronic
conversation regarding the verb "placere" (in the sense of "to
please"). While I realise the verb is not Defective, I have been
unable to quickly locate an example of its use except in the Third
Person, Singular or Plural(or Third and Sixth Persons if you follow
some of the European reckonings). If anyone can cite a brief
Classical (sorry, Ecclesiastical/Mediaeval usages won't do in this
instance) quotation using "placere" in the above sense, in either the
First or Second Persons, Singular or Plural (alternatively, First,
Second, Fourth or Fifth Persons), I would be very grateful for the
lead!

Also, as to the use of "quod" clauses following verbs of emotion,
does anyone have any insights into the selection of the Indicative or
Subjective for the verb of the clause? That is, is there a customary
practice, or is it pretty much a matter of personal taste and the
sense of the clause itself? (I'd prefer sticking to Infinitives and
Accusatives, myself...saves lots of grief.)

Gratias plurimas omnibus ago.

Valete et Dea Fortuna (et Genius Ciceronis Sacer) vobiscum,
Acadianus Draco

Subject:	Embarassing Correction
From:	"Adrianus Arius Acadianus Draco" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045015192254056209050218001036129208" >jhebert@--------&--------a>
Date:	Thu, 23 Mar 2000 23:14:07 -0000

Salvete,

Before someone jumps on me with both feet (and righteously so) -- in
my very recent question regarding "quod" clauses, I of course meant
"Subjunctive" and not "Subjective." Some of the words jumping out of
my fingers today have been downright embarassing! Or the keyboard is
possessed....Cavete omnes! Lemures nobiscum...

Bene omnibus,
Ac.Drac.