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Re: [novaroma] NOVA ROMA computer game? |
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Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:38:03 EST |
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In a message dated 3/29/00 5:39:20 PM Central Standard Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< I see....thats cool...I definately want a copy. >>
anybody have/played Caesar 3? i'm not sure it's the most historical accurate,
but i enjoy it;)
Lugus Brigantius
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| Subject: |
Tactics |
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| Date: |
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:38:41 EST |
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I have a question: How did generalship effect the outcome of Roman battles?
What exaclty did they do? I cant see how anything but numerical advantage or
better weapons would effect it.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] NOVA ROMA computer game? |
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| Date: |
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 16:59:17 -0800 |
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Salve
I have played and I own that game....the last time I played it was around
last year. LOL WOW that long ago....I dont really have alot of time to play
games anymore....
I really enjoy Caesar (in the Great General Series) and Civilization II.
Other games I enjoy are Imperalism, Axis and Allies, and some old Koei
games.. (man memories of Nobunaga's ambition.)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
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To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] NOVA ROMA computer game?
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=114063192112175198218021203140129208071" >djester6@--------</--------;
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> In a message dated 3/29/00 5:39:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------/font>
>
> << I see....thats cool...I definately want a copy. >>
>
> anybody have/played Caesar 3? i'm not sure it's the most historical
accurate,
> but i enjoy it;)
>
> Lugus Brigantius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Tactics |
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| Date: |
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 20:37:43 EST |
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In --------ss--------d-------- 3/29/2000 4:47:25 PM P--------ic St--------rd Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=070082020165082153015098190036129" >exitil@--------</--------;
writes:
<< How did generalship effect the outcome of Roman battles?
What exactly did they do? >>
The Roman general was to get his men to the battlefield, make sure that they
were provisioned and ready to fight. He then made a speech to stir their
emotions, and retreated to the reserve, which he would commit when the timing
seemed right.
Once the maneuvering stopped, it was in the hands of the Centuro who would
over see his century in combat. Romans usually fought in lines. When one
line was fatigued or reduced in strength, it fall back, and a second line
would take its place.
The enemy would be tired while the legionarii of the new line would be fresh.
This in itself would be enough to win a battle. Some generals like Scipio,
Corbulo and Paulinus, were good tacticians, others like Trajan, were good
strategists.
Q Fabius
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| Subject: |
Fw: Hi, I was hoping you could help me |
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| Date: |
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 18:04:14 -0800 |
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Salve!
I just got this request sent to the Censor addy...maybe one of our Nova Roma scholars might be able to field this answer. :)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
----- Original Message -----
From: Brendan Clasen
To: <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=219056234112193209090218066036129208" >ce--------s@--------</a>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 5:55 PM
Subject: Hi, I was hoping you could help me
I am a university student writing a research paper concerning the Tomb of the Haterii.
The familia is Haterius, I would really like to know if this has some connection with Architecture, or building artisans, and if not what the proper name for an individual in that field may be.
Thanks very much.
B.
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| Subject: |
Birth of a Nation |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=203232245037127031172223065101114237071048139" >Im2Brandon@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:27:41 EST |
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Salvete Omnes:
First I would like to thank citizen Drusus Cornelius Claudius for
bringing this pertinent topic up, for it is something that every citizen
needs to address for him or herself: What are my dreams for this Republic,
and how can I achieve them, and how would I like to see the Republic grow...
My name is Publius Cornelius Sertorius Claudius, and I've just recently
been gifted with the pleasure of citizenship in this fine nation. Some of you
speak of Western Civilization as a civilization with a proud history, and if
anything that we should praise that history, and denounce multiculturalism,
as an evil eroding the foundation of this fine society....
First let's shatter the facade. The history of Western Civilization has
been one of conquest, imperialism, greed, and an over-awareness of its own
presumed importance. By the gift of chance, Europe was allowed to grow, after
the serious failings of Imperial Rome, into the power that dominated the
World, and the power that decided to dominate the rest of the world, and push
its beliefs and ideas onto other nations, and along with that, embraced ideas
that said they were divinely ordained to dominate and subjugate the rest of
the Earth. England, France, Belgium, Germany, Austria-Hungary, and the United
States pillaged the Earth on the pretense of civilizing it. Not a
generalization but pure fact that those countries had colonies that stretched
around the globe, and that they thought it was their right to do so. A great
history. And for those of you that don't understand what I mean about chance,
I would like you to read, Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, by Paul Kennedy,
which intriguingly states a case for an Ottoman conquest of Europe, or the
technical advances, such as muskets, could have been achieved by China 100
years or more before Europe could have possibly known the difference between
their arses and the end of a musket. Western Civilization was spared from the
executioner's ax by a mere second in the breadth and scope of time and
history, so be happy, you who live in the comforts of Western society, but
for luck, your fate could have been far different.
Oh, and in response to the demise of this nation, it will not be because
of cultural division, oh no, you fail to see that before a sense of cultural
unity, NOT oneness, there needs to be a sense of national unity, service to
the common good, and your fellow man. Governments and civilizations fall, not
due to cultural diversity, but to the lack of civility and trust in your
fellow citizen. Doors are locked and walls are created, and each house
becomes a fortress... And lastly geopolitical entities also begin to traipse
toward their eventual downfall when the citizens stop taking part in the
political process, not multiculturalism. As little as 20% of the populace
showed out for the last popular election in the United States, if this nation
is to continue to exist, the idea of civic duty needs to be addressed.
So in conclusion, don't blame multiculturalism. Every culture has a view
point to share, ideas to exchange, that very well have the power to help the
whole, as long as one culture doesn't impose its ideas on the others...
LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC! LONG LIVE ROME!
For the Senate and the Roman people, Valete!
P. Cornelius Sertorius Claudius.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Fw: Hi, I was hoping you could help me |
| From: |
Marcus Pap--------s Justus <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197166104009127132130232203026129208071" >pap--------s@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:20:12 -0700 |
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Piece o' cake: architectus (ultimately derived from Greek architektOn) ...
mpj
PS I can't find anything about the cognomen Haterius (unless connected
somehow with ater?)
At 06:04 PM 3/29/00 -0800, you wrote:
>From: "L. Corn--------s Sulla" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
>Salve!
>
>I just got this request sent to the Censor addy...maybe one of our Nova
>Roma scholars might be able to field this answer. :)
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>Censor
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Brendan Clasen
>To: <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=219056234112193209090218066036129208" >ce--------s@--------</a>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 5:55 PM
>Subject: Hi, I was hoping you could help me
>
>
>I am a university student writing a research paper concerning the Tomb of
>the Haterii.
>
>The familia is Haterius, I would really like to know if this has some
>connection with Architecture, or building artisans, and if not what the
>proper name for an individual in that field may be.
>
>Thanks very much.
>
>B.
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] hey! |
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squadman <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=061000044237248005247218164036129208" >squad74@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:31:50 -0800 (PST) |
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hi again :)
how could i become a scibe?
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| Subject: |
typo |
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squadman <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=061000044237248005247218164036129208" >squad74@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:42:30 -0800 (PST) |
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i meant scribe :) sorry
--- squadman <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=061000044237248005247218164036129208" >squad74@--------</a> wrote:
> hi again :)
> how could i become a scibe?
>
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| Subject: |
Re: Birth of a Nation |
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| Date: |
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 22:47:13 EST |
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In a message dated 3/29/00 6:30:15 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=203232245037127031172223065101114237071048139" >Im2Brandon@--------</a> writes:
<<
First let's shatter the facade. The history of Western Civilization has
been one of conquest, imperialism, greed, and an over-awareness of its own
presumed importance.
Cassius:
Of course, if one chooses to view history in this way, *all* cultures have
been based on conquest, imperialism, greed, and an over-awareness of the
importance of whoever has been in power. The countries of Asia in their share
of conquests, civil wars, and all the rest. Ever heard of the feudal states
of China and Japan? The Mongols? Even the Tibetans, now known for their
peaceful ways, were once one of the greatest warrior cultures in the ancient
world and invaders of all countries surrounding them.
The countries of the New World fared no different, with Central and South
American tribes slaughtering one another and building Empires. Even the North
American tribes did the same. I'm from the Northeast US, where the Iroquois
tribe wiped out all tribes that wouldn't join the Iroquois Confederacy. No
place has been spared the basic traits of humanity. Even the inhabitants of
Polynesian Islands such as Easter Island have a history of different groups
battling each other over resources, etc. To blame the West, and ignore the
failings of other cultures isn't balance.
Sertorius:
By the gift of chance, Europe was allowed to grow, after
the serious failings of Imperial Rome, into the power that dominated the
World, and the power that decided to dominate the rest of the world, and
push
its beliefs and ideas onto other nations, and along with that, embraced
ideas
that said they were divinely ordained to dominate and subjugate the rest of
the Earth.
Cassius:
Yes! Quite unlike the Incas, or the Aztecs, or the Chinese, or the Japanese,
or the Mongols, or the Tibetans, or the Persians, Iroquois, etc., who all
beat up on their weaker neighbors out of a love of nature and the Divine
Feminine, and a desire to build true world peace and harmony. ;)
Sertorius:
England, France, Belgium, Germany, Austria-Hungary, and the United
States pillaged the Earth on the pretense of civilizing it.
Cassius:
Unlike say, Genghiz Kahn, who's motives could only have been the reverse...
Sertorius:
Not a
generalization but pure fact that those countries had colonies that
stretched
around the globe, and that they thought it was their right to do so. A great
history.
Cassius:
Just out of curiosity, what do you think about the Co-Prosperity Sphere of
Emperor Hirohito in WWII?
Sertorius:
And for those of you that don't understand what I mean about chance,
I would like you to read, Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, by Paul
Kennedy,
which intriguingly states a case for an Ottoman conquest of Europe, or the
technical advances, such as muskets, could have been achieved by China 100
years or more before Europe could have possibly known the difference between
their arses and the end of a musket.
Cassius:
So you're saying that the fact that they didn't perfect gunpowder weapons,
and obliterate the West, is proof of something? You'll notice that at that
period of history the West wasn't attacking China, either. The distances were
simply too great, and neither side of the world gave the other much thought.
China didn't *need* to perfect such weapons to wage it's wars... it could
overwhelm reachable neighbors such as Viet Nam without them. Gunpowder was an
"equalizer", and you don't need that if you're the biggest kid on your side
of the world. Quite the reverse in fact. The last thing you'd want to do is
perfect a technology that would allow smaller nations to eventually gain that
knowledge and kick your butt.
Sertorius:
Western Civilization was spared from the
executioner's ax by a mere second in the breadth and scope of time and
history, so be happy, you who live in the comforts of Western society, but
for luck, your fate could have been far different.
Cassius:
It very likely would have, had the Chinese perfected both gunpowder and say,
the piston engine, so that it could get troops effectively all the way to the
other side of the world.
Sertorius:
Oh, and in response to the demise of this nation, it will not be because
of cultural division, oh no, you fail to see that before a sense of cultural
unity, NOT oneness, there needs to be a sense of national unity, service to
the common good, and your fellow man.
Cassius:
Oddly enough, despising the roots of Western culture do nothing at all to
build a sense of national unity, service to the common good, and your fellow
man. Nor does it even help heal cultural division.
Sertorius:
Governments and civilizations fall, not
due to cultural diversity, but to the lack of civility and trust in your
fellow citizen. Doors are locked and walls are created, and each house
becomes a fortress... And lastly geopolitical entities also begin to traipse
toward their eventual downfall when the citizens stop taking part in the
political process, not multiculturalism. As little as 20% of the populace
showed out for the last popular election in the United States, if this
nation
is to continue to exist, the idea of civic duty needs to be addressed.
Cassius:
I confess you've quite lost me here. Most of these are good points but they
seem very little related to the rest of your topics...
Sertorius:
So in conclusion, don't blame multiculturalism. Every culture has a view
point to share, ideas to exchange, that very well have the power to help the
whole, as long as one culture doesn't impose its ideas on the others...
Cassius:
Again, I believe this is all simply confusion. Nobody said multiculturalism
was a bad thing. The only idea that's been expressed is that multiculturalism
can be promoted WITHOUT an orgy of bashing the heritage of the Western world.
The real absurdity about this "argument" is that we agree completely that
having many cultures is a GOOD thing. We also agree that Rome makes a
wonderful foundation for allowing many cultures to flourish together in
harmony.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Birth of a Nation |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:14:53 EST |
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Cassius, your reply to Publius was sheer excellence!
Festus
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| Subject: |
Re: Birth of A Nation |
| From: |
<--------lass="msghead"> &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=132056219182127132169218031036129208" &g--------curia@--------&l--------&g--------td>
| Date: |
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:26:15 -0600 |
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Salve P. Cornelius Sertorius Claudius:
Are you for real? Do you really believe what you wrote in your declaration
on Western Civilization? If so, your statements show a very limited
knowledge of world history. What makes you
think conquest, imperial expansion, and material gain are traits limited
only to western civilizations.
Colonization has been practiced by just about every nation. Chance and luck
were not the prime
elements that brought the Roman Empire in to being or gave Europe its
cultural strength to develope. Do not limit your understanding of world
history to one author's interpretation of world
events.
If one will research the historical voting record in this good old USA, they
will find a pattern of a limited voter turn out for evey election; about
20%. Multiculturalism? What is it? It is still on the
top ten of the political correctness hit parade? It will be history
someday, too. It will be replaced by
something else that will cause people to dislike each other.
Nations fall for many reasons. It is good to know and understand those
reasons, so as not to
repeat them.
Your vilification and demonization of the Roman Empire and Western
Civilizatiion makes me wonder why you joined Nova Roma in the first place.
At one moment your spitting out derogatory accusations on it roots and
cultural foundatioins, and then you turn around and exclaim, "Long Live the
Republic and Long LIve Rome". Your logic makes no sense. Why did you join
Nova Roma?
Yes, every culture contains great and wonderful things to be adopted and
learned, and improve the
the cultures of others. The cultures of Western Europe both past and
present have contributed
many good things to other cultures as well.
Welcome Citizen to Nova Roma.
Vale,
Rufa Paula Cornelia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Birth of a Nation |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=203232245037127031172223065101114237071048139" >Im2Brandon@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:07:08 EST |
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I do not blame the west, my dear Cassius, but, I don't think that the west
lives in a crystal palace, well actually it does. You see, I don't proclaim
that the west is horrible and all others are great, but rather the west is no
better than any other.
By the way, Genghis Khan did not fight behind a pretense his was just
outright conquest. The fact that China had the capability to perfect
technologies years ahead of the Europeans show how tenuous an advance they
had over the other nations of the world at the time, their greatness
therefore is obviously overstated. Also proclaiming the west does not help
national unity. And the point, that you did not get, is that political
inactivity and everyday communication will kill this society before
multculturalism ever has a chance. But what can I say, I am only a 17 year
old.
Sertorius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] NOVA ROMA computer game? |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:12:27 -0500 |
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The game is not meant to be historically accurate, but how cares-- it is fun! I
had played it numerous times and finally made it to level 6. Great game!
Michael
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=114063192112175198218021203140129208071" >djester6@--------</--------; wrote:
> From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=114063192112175198218021203140129208071" >djester6@--------</--------;
>
> In a message dated 3/29/00 5:39:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------/font>
>
> << I see....thats cool...I definately want a copy. >>
>
> anybody have/played Caesar 3? i'm not sure it's the most historical accurate,
> but i enjoy it;)
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Birth of A Nation |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:12:31 EST |
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Salvete, wheew!
Wow, okay, this is bad. I think this animosity can only be bad for our
national spirit :) I doubt that Sertorius was attacking Roma in anyway. I
believe his was an argument against a jingoism that he (and, in fact, I)
fears could turn into a scary sense of national superiority.
I have known Sertorius for many years now, and he has a greater knowledge
of the history of the entire world than any other person I know. He also, I
know, loves Rome deeply and only wishes for Her to grow and prosper. Perhaps
we could all consider our words a little while longer before we send our
posts (we have that opportunity now with e-mail :), so that we might not
sound so angry when we reply (I'm sure that I will do so from now on)?
Sertorius?
For the Senate and the Roman People, Valete!
Drusus Cornelius Claudius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] NOVA ROMA computer game? |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:14:54 EST |
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I play Caesar III all the time, it's my favourite thing to do (after my
involvement with Nova Roma and school). I'm actually on the last level,
those damn Brits are giving me a tough go :)
For the Senate and the Roman People, Valete!
Drusus Cornelius Claudius
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| Subject: |
Re:Rufa Paula Cornelia |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=203232245037127031172223065101114237071048139" >Im2Brandon@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:17:05 EST |
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I FIGHT FOR THE REPUBLIC! YOU LOVE THE EMPIRE OF TYRANTS? WHY ARE YOU IN THE
REPUBLIC OF NOVA ROMA? HOW DARE YOU ATTACK MY PATRIOTISM TO THIS REPUBLIC! I
VILLIFY THE EXECESSES OF IMPERIAL ROME! I WILL NOT DEBATE WITH YOU FURTHER,
FOR YOUR INADEQUACY IN SEPERATING REPUBLICAN ROME FROM IMPERIAL ROME SHOWS
YOUR WEAKNESS ENOUGH, I NEED NOT EXPLOIT IT FURTHER.
FOR THE REPUBLIC! FOR ROME!
Eternally for the Senate and People of Rome!
P. CORNELIUS SERTORIUS CLAUDIUS
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| Subject: |
Oneness |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:28:32 -0500 |
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I disagree with Sertorius' understanding that multiculturalism does not
contribute to a countries break down. When peoples of many different
races and beliefs come to live within a country, the countrie's
stability will eventually become stressed. As if there is not enough
problems already. If I'm not mistaken wasn't during the Roman Republic's
early years the senate forbid those that were not Roman ( city state
proper ) or at least Italian from holding office and military service.
They did so for a reason -- politically incorrect -- YES, practical --
YES! We all know what happened during the later Roman Empire and what
the influx of new recruits of non Italians did to the stability of the
army and for that of Roman interest -- it weakened the army to that of
tribal disputes among the various people involved, and there was a
greater emphasis being placed on the individual or provincial loyalties
rather then believing that Rome was the seat of power and that Roman
interest came first.
I am not saying that multiculuralism is inherantly bad. What I am trying
to do is point out some of the flaws that COULD be attribitted to that
multiculturalism.
Tacitus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re:Rufa Paula Cornelia |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 29 Mar 2000 23:26:20 -0800 |
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Please no shouting in the Forum.....I disagree with this....the Period of
Nova Roma influnece goes from 753 bce to 395 ce. It will includes the
Imperial Period of Rome. Therefore to not include the Imperial period is to
not include the total historical influence in Nova Roma. There are many
citizens in Nova Roma who are partial and cater to the Imperial Period. But
just to prove your point about Imperalism and Imperial Rome...you might want
to know that most of the conquest Rome made was during the Republican
Period....and NOT the Imperial Period.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor and Pater
----- Original Message -----
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=203232245037127031172223065101114237071048139" >Im2Brandon@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2000 10:17 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re:Rufa Paula Cornelia
> From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=203232245037127031172223065101114237071048139" >Im2Brandon@--------</a>
>
> I FIGHT FOR THE REPUBLIC! YOU LOVE THE EMPIRE OF TYRANTS? WHY ARE YOU IN
THE
> REPUBLIC OF NOVA ROMA? HOW DARE YOU ATTACK MY PATRIOTISM TO THIS REPUBLIC!
I
> VILLIFY THE EXECESSES OF IMPERIAL ROME! I WILL NOT DEBATE WITH YOU
FURTHER,
> FOR YOUR INADEQUACY IN SEPERATING REPUBLICAN ROME FROM IMPERIAL ROME SHOWS
> YOUR WEAKNESS ENOUGH, I NEED NOT EXPLOIT IT FURTHER.
>
> FOR THE REPUBLIC! FOR ROME!
>
> Eternally for the Senate and People of Rome!
>
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| Subject: |
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| From: |
<--------lass="msghead"> &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=132056219182127132169218031036129208" &g--------curia@--------&l--------&g--------td>
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:26:56 -0600 |
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Salve Drusus Cornelius:
Your friend posted a public statement with some historical inaccuracies; to
which I responded it turn.
If one is willing to make their opinion public than they should be ready to
accept challenges to their
statements. I did not attack your friend personally, but made question to
his statements and souces of information. Your friend responded by throwing
slogans and refusing to dialoging with me
further on the subject. That is not being open minded. Your young friend
presumes to think that I do not know the difference between Republican
Rome and Emperial Rome. He is incorrect. I know alot on the subject. I
have a BA in Fine Art, and I am presently working toward my MA combining
Classical Studies with Art History. Let me tell you, that involves much
research and study. My
goal is a Phd in Art History; Classical Art. This includes not only the
art, but the languages, cultures,
and political conditions under which classical art was produced. Your long
time friend admitted to
being only 17. Well, I'm 48. With age comes wisdom. It's an old saying, but
it is true. Life for me has
been a hard fight; I have earned my commission. I know what it means to be
strong. To call me weak
is speaking without knowledge. Ipsa scientia potestas est.
It is at this point that I apologize to Nova Roma, and my fellow Roman
Citizens if I have done something out of place. I will say nothing further
about this unless I am asked.
Salus populi suprema lex. CICERO ( A very Ripublican Roman )
Vale
Drusus Cornelius
Miles Romani
Rufa Paul Cornelis
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| Subject: |
Re:Rufa Paula Cornelia |
| From: |
hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:47:45 +0200 |
|
Salvete Cornelii Sertori Claudii et alii,
Never mind this post was not addressed to me personaly, I find it
necessary to reply on:
I FIGHT FOR THE REPUBLIC!
Whom you are going to fight with?
YOU LOVE THE EMPIRE OF TYRANTS?
If one admire some princepsi because of their personal qualities it does
not mean he is admirer of a tyrants or he is a tyrrant himself, like as
an admirer of a Republic declaring odas about patriotism and republic
can not be a tyrant himself.
It does not depend on what political ideology or systems you are
dreaming for, but what are your acts. I will always prefer to discuss
with a peacful Empirial Roman than with a millitarist Repubician.
WHY ARE YOU IN THE
REPUBLIC OF NOVA ROMA?
I do not know whom you address this question, but do think you have not
the right to ask in so imperative manner whomever on this list. If one
is here, so it means he consider himself to belong here.
HOW DARE YOU ATTACK MY PATRIOTISM TO THIS REPUBLIC!
Patriotism -- a very wide term with a very wide meaning. Many violences
and outrageous acts were done in history in the name of patriotism.
I VILLIFY THE EXECESSES OF IMPERIAL ROME! I WILL NOT DEBATE WITH YOU
FURTHER,
FOR YOUR INADEQUACY IN SEPERATING REPUBLICAN ROME FROM IMPERIAL ROME
SHOWS
YOUR WEAKNESS ENOUGH, I NEED NOT EXPLOIT IT FURTHER.
That is your right to decide whom you will debate or not.
FOR THE REPUBLIC! FOR ROME!
For all of us!
Bene vale
Alexander I.C. Probus M.
An admirer of Alexander The Great, Caesar, Augustus, Titus, Antoninus
Pius, Marcus Aurelius, Aurelianus, Probus and many other "Imperial"
Romans
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| Subject: |
Poor Vado!!! |
| From: |
Donald and Crystal Meaker <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029056113163056209105098072248155208071048" >meakerfam@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:28:30 -0600 |
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GODS!!! The translation!!! Don't worry hon, I forgot about it too <VBG>
Pax vobiscum,
Crys (must be getting old)
Through my constant care, my husband flourished.
-From an epitaph found at Rome (1st century B.C.)
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| Subject: |
Re: Birth of a Nation |
| From: |
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:46:59 -0000 |
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1) The term "Western Civilization" is a misnomer. It means nothing
and
no more than "Eastern Civilization". The cultures that comprise these
"civilizations" span too great a period of history, represent
divergent
even hostile religions, religious metamorphoses, nations, languages,
and on and on and on.
Please, try again.
2) Imperial Rome did not fail. It changed. The 19thC idea that Rome
"fell" is based on poor science (archaeology, history,
translation,...)
3) Every culture has, at one or more times in its past, dominated,
subjugated, pillaged, and colonized. This is the nature of human
societies.
4) Fate? And where would we be as a species if an asteroid/comet had
not crashed into Yucatan 65 million years ago? Fate is not a factor
in
history.
5) "National unity"... what a scary thought. Will that happen via a
benevolent government defining cultural unity! No thanks. Culture,
in
order to grow, survive, thrive, needs to do so from the bottom up.
Government cannot define culture. Each time it tries it fails.
"National unity" in religion, in language, in art, in mode of
dress...??
6) "...service to the common good..."... another scary thought. Who
defines the common good?
7) "civic duty"... First, ask yourself: what is my vested interest
in
my community? Not so much what is implied by "civic duty" (public
service, volunteereism, serving in the military, jury duty...) , but
by
accepting a personal sense of responsibility for one's actions and
inactions within one's own neighborhood... by being responsible, by
taking responsibility.
Also, bear well in mind that individuals will do as much as they
think
they need to do in order to get along or to get by. Law enforcement
authority can compel individuals to for example: drive responsibly,
but
only by a slow increase in public pressure can attitudes change
about... litter.
And, of course, the more individuals are given by a government
without
having to earn it the less they will do to earn anything, the less
they
will do to take responsibility for themselves.
8) Institutionalized multiculturalism is not good. Individuals and
groups celebrating their ancestral histories, teaching their
offspring
their unique and personal connection to the past, is a good thing.
9) Cultural assimilation is how a Nation thrives. A Nation that can
succesfully assimilate other cultures will have a long history.
10) A Nation, a culture that allows its individual members the
greatest
opportunity to personally thrive and achieve, even to acquire wealth
will be a Nation that will by its very nature draw others to
voluntarily imitate it, to adopt its language, mode of dress, its
Arts...
Gaius Valerius Tacitus Hibernicus
Centurio, Legio IX Hispana
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Birth of a Nation |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:47:50 EST |
|
In a message dated 3/29/00 10:08:10 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=203232245037127031172223065101114237071048139" >Im2Brandon@--------</a> writes:
<<
I do not blame the west, my dear Cassius, but, I don't think that the west
lives in a crystal palace, well actually it does. You see, I don't proclaim
that the west is horrible and all others are great, but rather the west is
no
better than any other.
Cassius:
Than we agree in all respects! All the *ancient* nations of the world behaved
about equally. The West became more successful at conquest after Medieval
times, mostly because monotheistic religion (Christianity) simply couldn't
tolerate people with other ideas, and looked on other races as being inferior
because they didn't have Christ. This religious and cultural view was in fact
a vast break between the ancient heritage, and the Medieval one.
Sertorius:
By the way, Genghis Khan did not fight behind a pretense his was just
outright conquest. The fact that China had the capability to perfect
technologies years ahead of the Europeans show how tenuous an advance they
had over the other nations of the world at the time, their greatness
therefore is obviously overstated. Also proclaiming the west does not help
national unity. And the point, that you did not get, is that political
inactivity and everyday communication will kill this society before
multculturalism ever has a chance. But what can I say, I am only a 17 year
old.
Cassius:
For a 17 year old, you're expressing yourself very well, no matter if
everyone on the list agrees with you or not. :)
Again, I can't stress enough that we're all on the same side. I look at
episodes like the conquest of the Aztecs, and the "winning of the West" here
in the US, and just like you, I feel that the Spanish and Americans were
quite wrong in such conquest.
But these terrible episodes don't really have much to do with Western
heritage. Nations all over the world have done the same thing since forever.
Think of how different those episodes could have been. What if it had been
the ancient Romans rather than the post-Medieval Spanish who first met the
Aztecs, for instance! They would have done all within their power to stop the
human sacrifice they practiced, and they would have tried to stop the ritual
wars and resultant cannibalism... but at the end of it the Aztecs would have
become valued Citizens of the Empire with the same status as everyone else.
The Aztec culture, their gods, and their noble classes would have survived
the meeting of the two civilizations.
I really doubt that *anyone* here feels the West is historically blameless,
or even the "best" of cultures. Like you, we're all simply trying to sift
through a WORLD heritage, to find the best and most positive aspects of what
has been left to us.
You, Festus and myself all agree that all countries and nations through
history have shared good and bad qualities. We also all believe that it is a
great thing for many different cultures to live together. The thing to avoid
at all costs is "finger pointing". You show me the Boxer Rebellion, where the
West forced China to accept opium as a trade good against its will... and
I'll show you the Japanese "Rape of Nanking" during WWII. We can trade
stories like that all day, and all we'll have done is focus on what's
negative rather than trying to build on what's positive.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
(no subject) |
| From: |
w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 07:02:13 -0800 |
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RE:digest 776
Marcius Cornelius Felix pontitff et house priest of the Cornelia
my Dear Brother Sertorius Claudius
Calm down
no one is attacking your Patriontism
also if you are going to use words use the right one, Tyrant is a Greek
title of office ,not a roman one.
vale
Message: 3
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:17:05 EST
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=203232245037127031172223065101114237071048139" >Im2Brandon@--------</a>
Subject: Re:Rufa Paula Cornelia
I FIGHT FOR THE REPUBLIC! YOU LOVE THE EMPIRE OF TYRANTS? WHY ARE YOU IN
THE
REPUBLIC OF NOVA ROMA? HOW DARE YOU ATTACK MY PATRIOTISM TO THIS
REPUBLIC! I
VILLIFY THE EXECESSES OF IMPERIAL ROME! I WILL NOT DEBATE WITH YOU
FURTHER,
FOR YOUR INADEQUACY IN SEPERATING REPUBLICAN ROME FROM IMPERIAL ROME
SHOWS
YOUR WEAKNESS ENOUGH, I NEED NOT EXPLOIT IT FURTHER.
FOR THE REPUBLIC! FOR ROME!
Eternally for the Senate and People of Rome!
P. CORNELIUS SERTORIUS CLAUDIUS
|
| Subject: |
Rufa Paula Cornelia |
| From: |
<--------lass="msghead"> &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=132056219182127132169218031036129208" &g--------curia@--------&l--------&g--------td>
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 09:38:16 -0600 |
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Friends, romans, countrymen, do you realize what you are all doing. As free
men and women, you are
exercising your right given by the first amendment of the Constitution; The
freedom of speech.
I've been saving what you, my fellow Romans, have been saying, because it is
an excellent example of
what the intent of the American Founding Fathers had in establishing the
First Amendment. It is the
free exchange of ideas and expression of thought. And the political
machinery and tools used to structure the First Ten Amendments were roman;
Republican Rome, especially. If you have time, read the
Federalist Papers; I use this to establish what I am saying. It is 18th C.
english, but well worth the
effort to read. This is just a small example why I became a citizen of Nova
Roma.
Valete,
Rufa Paula Cornelia
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| Subject: |
Freedom of Speech |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 16:55:57 +0100 |
|
Salve Rufa Cornelia et al
>First Amendment. It is the
>free exchange of ideas and expression of thought. And the political
>machinery and tools used to structure the First Ten Amendments were roman;
I cannot agree completely with that ammendment to the American Constitution.
I think that the exchange of ideas should not be completely free in Rome,
particularly in what concerns the Religio Romana. To blasphemate the Gods of
Rome is to bring their wrath over all nation. It is thus a big crime and
cannot be tolerated. In my opinion, the citizens have the duty to keep their
blasphemous thoughts within themselves or discuss them privately only. To
bring disgrace over the fellow citizens by blasphemating publicly is too big
a proof of selfishness and treason.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
Senator
Praetor
Propraetor Lusitaniae
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Freedom of Speech |
| From: |
<--------lass="msghead"> &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=132056219182127132169218031036129208" &g--------curia@--------&l--------&g--------td>
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 10:50:15 -0600 |
|
Salve Antonia Grilo:
Your stand on the First Amendment is interesting. What then is your
position on the the frist part of the amendment 'Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion'? This is the law that makes it
possible for people to practice their religion freely and openly. I am very
interested.
Vale,
Rufa Paula Cornelia
----------
>From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Freedom of Speech
>Date: Thu, Mar 30, 2000, 9:55 AM
>
> Salve Rufa Cornelia et al
>
>>First Amendment. It is the
>>free exchange of ideas and expression of thought. And the political
>>machinery and tools used to structure the First Ten Amendments were roman;
> I cannot agree completely with that ammendment to the American Constitution.
> I think that the exchange of ideas should not be completely free in Rome,
> particularly in what concerns the Religio Romana. To blasphemate the Gods of
> Rome is to bring their wrath over all nation. It is thus a big crime and
> cannot be tolerated. In my opinion, the citizens have the duty to keep their
> blasphemous thoughts within themselves or discuss them privately only. To
> bring disgrace over the fellow citizens by blasphemating publicly is too big
> a proof of selfishness and treason.
>
> Valete
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> Pontifex
> Senator
> Praetor
> Propraetor Lusitaniae
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Freedom of Speech |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:57:50 +0100 |
|
Salve Rufa Cornelia
>Your stand on the First Amendment is interesting. What then is your
>position on the the frist part of the amendment 'Congress shall make no law
>respecting an establishment of religion'? This is the law that makes it
>possible for people to practice their religion freely and openly. I am
very
>interested.
I agree with it. One is free to practice whatever religion he chooses,
provided that the official Gods of Rome are not insulted or blasphemated.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
Senator
Praetor
Propraetor Lusitaniae
-----Original Message-----
From: &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=132056219182127132169218031036129208" &g--------curia@--------&l--------&g--------l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=132056219182127132169218031036129208" &g--------curia@--------&l--------&g--------r>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Thursday, March 30, 2000 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Freedom of Speech
>Salve Antonia Grilo:
>Your stand on the First Amendment is interesting. What then is your
>position on the the frist part of the amendment 'Congress shall make no law
>respecting an establishment of religion'? This is the law that makes it
>possible for people to practice their religion freely and openly. I am
very
>interested.
>
>Vale,
>Rufa Paula Cornelia
>
>----------
>>From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
>>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>>Subject: [novaroma] Freedom of Speech
>>Date: Thu, Mar 30, 2000, 9:55 AM
>>
>
>> Salve Rufa Cornelia et al
>>
>>>First Amendment. It is the
>>>free exchange of ideas and expression of thought. And the political
>>>machinery and tools used to structure the First Ten Amendments were
roman;
>> I cannot agree completely with that ammendment to the American
Constitution.
>> I think that the exchange of ideas should not be completely free in Rome,
>> particularly in what concerns the Religio Romana. To blasphemate the Gods
of
>> Rome is to bring their wrath over all nation. It is thus a big crime and
>> cannot be tolerated. In my opinion, the citizens have the duty to keep
their
>> blasphemous thoughts within themselves or discuss them privately only. To
>> bring disgrace over the fellow citizens by blasphemating publicly is too
big
>> a proof of selfishness and treason.
>>
>> Valete
>> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>> Pontifex
>> Senator
>> Praetor
>> Propraetor Lusitaniae
>>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 776 |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:01:26 GMT |
|
"Message: 3
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 01:17:05 EST
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=203232245037127031172223065101114237071048139" >Im2Brandon@--------</a>
Subject: Re:Rufa Paula Cornelia
I FIGHT FOR THE REPUBLIC! YOU LOVE THE EMPIRE OF TYRANTS? WHY ARE YOU IN THE
REPUBLIC OF NOVA ROMA? HOW DARE YOU ATTACK MY PATRIOTISM TO THIS REPUBLIC! I
VILLIFY THE EXECESSES OF IMPERIAL ROME! I WILL NOT DEBATE WITH YOU FURTHER,
FOR YOUR INADEQUACY IN SEPERATING REPUBLICAN ROME FROM IMPERIAL ROME SHOWS
YOUR WEAKNESS ENOUGH, I NEED NOT EXPLOIT IT FURTHER.
FOR THE REPUBLIC! FOR ROME!
Eternally for the Senate and People of Rome!
P. CORNELIUS SERTORIUS CLAUDIUS"
Ave Sertorius,
As one of the quieter members of gens Iunia, may I respectfully request that
you quit shouting? I can hear you just fine. Volume does not equate with
eloquence as you yourself provide example.
Vale
Lucina Iunia Cypria
lurker extraordinaire
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| Subject: |
Scribe |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:10:26 -0500 (EST) |
|
Salve,
I believe before I answer your question about being a scribe, I must ask
are you a member of Nova Roma. If so, what is your name? I would like
to know to whom I am replying.
Being a scribus (scrbe) should predicate that you have some particular
admnistrative skills, and that you enjoy administrative work. Once that
hurdle is over, virtually every magistarte in NR could probably use a
scribus in addresing the wrk before them in putting into written form
various ideas, prospective proposals at the national or provincial
level. A scribus can be used in a variety of ways and a variety of
projects depending on the magistrate for whom the scribus labors.
I am very fortunate in having a scribus who can not only follow
directions, collate materials, and provide clear and cohesive
documentation, for myself and my staff, but also is able to make
excellent suggestions in regard to how the work before us can be
furthered and bettered. A good scribus is a valued member of any
magistrate's staff who has the need for one.
How to go about getting a "job" might include the following steps:
--Read in the Constitution about the tasks and responsibilities of the
various Magistrates;
--Choose the one that you believe is most interesting to you;
--Contact that magistrate and provide him or her with a statement of
your qualifcations to be a scribus in his / her orgaization and why your
interests tend in that direction. Be prepared to answer any specific
questions that the Magistrate may have for you, like:
**How many hours per month do you have to devote to the job;
**What kind of harware and software do you have;
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Scribe |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:13:40 -0500 (EST) |
|
Sorry!!!!! Hit the wrong button----To continue
These questions from the Magistrate will help you and the Magistrate to
focus on your strengths as needed in his / her organization.
Good luck in your search. If you have further questions myself or my
staff will be willng to answer them.
Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Scribe |
| From: |
"susan brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061158091009093031223225065148243223136058139046209" >scriba_forum@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:28:56 GMT |
|
Salve, Esteemed Consul: Thank you for your kind words...you just made my
day!!
Vale from your Scribus
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Scribe
>Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:10:26 -0500 (EST)
>
>Salve,
>
>I believe before I answer your question about being a scribe, I must ask
>are you a member of Nova Roma. If so, what is your name? I would like
>to know to whom I am replying.
>
>Being a scribus (scrbe) should predicate that you have some particular
>admnistrative skills, and that you enjoy administrative work. Once that
>hurdle is over, virtually every magistarte in NR could probably use a
>scribus in addresing the wrk before them in putting into written form
>various ideas, prospective proposals at the national or provincial
>level. A scribus can be used in a variety of ways and a variety of
>projects depending on the magistrate for whom the scribus labors.
>
>I am very fortunate in having a scribus who can not only follow
>directions, collate materials, and provide clear and cohesive
>documentation, for myself and my staff, but also is able to make
>excellent suggestions in regard to how the work before us can be
>furthered and bettered. A good scribus is a valued member of any
>magistrate's staff who has the need for one.
>
>How to go about getting a "job" might include the following steps:
>
>--Read in the Constitution about the tasks and responsibilities of the
>various Magistrates;
>
>--Choose the one that you believe is most interesting to you;
>
>--Contact that magistrate and provide him or her with a statement of
>your qualifcations to be a scribus in his / her orgaization and why your
>interests tend in that direction. Be prepared to answer any specific
>questions that the Magistrate may have for you, like:
>
> **How many hours per month do you have to devote to the job;
>
> **What kind of harware and software do you have;
>
>Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] RE birth of a nation, Freedom of Speech |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:52:58 EST |
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Salvete!
One of the problems with being a high magistrate is the office has dignity
and I can't tale part in this debate as much as the "mud wrestling" on this
subject looks like fun.
However, when it comes to our Government, I feel I must answer. While it is
true the United States' Government as a republic modeled somewhat on the Roman
the two are light years apart in tone. The guaranteed US' "Bill of Rights"
are not based on Roman ones. Romans citizens were only guaranteed one thing.
That they could appeal any charges brought against them under Roman Law.
I. US is big on the separation of church and state. Such a thing was
unthinkable to the Romans. The State was the Church.
II. US values free speech. There was no true free speech in Rome, and there
were Lexs passed by the Senate to make sure that certain comments could not
be made.
III. No army was ever allowed in the city itself, but outside of Rome,
soldiers could be headquartered where ever the commander wished.
IV. The US is a representable government. Rome was an oligarchy, with a
hereditary governing body which gave her citizens some rights to choose
officers, but still reserved final and the most important decisions on the
State's well being among themselves.
V. The US is big on privacy. This would be unknown to Romans.
Valete!
Q. Fabius Maximus
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| Subject: |
E-Mail Behavior |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:53:24 -0500 (EST) |
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Salve, Citizens;
There is, I beieve, no good reason to "shout" at and insult other
members of Nova Roma simply because they do not agree with your views.
If you cannot help yourself in such actions I request that you take such
behavior off line.
A recent contributor has indicated that if anyone chooses to expound his
or her views on-line they should expect to have views not necessarily
their own reviewed as well. That, I think, is a fair evaluation.
The administration of this list which includes the basic courtesy that
one would expect of the members of Nova Roma is for the most part in the
hands of the members of Nova Roma. I ask that you remember that, when
you respond on line.
In regard to apologies and similar activities they are essentially up to
the individual, and I believe that is enough said in that regard. I
invite anyone who feels that they have been "cut-off" by inappropriate
comments / actions to continue thier discussion, as I was quite
interested in the rebuttals that I was hearing and I suspect that many
others were as well. Again, if anyone on this list cannot take
criticism and respond in a courteous manner, you are asked to "take it
off-list."
Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens;
Consul et Senator
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Most conquests when was Re:Rufa Paula Cornelia (meandering a little) |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 13:11:31 -0500 |
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Salvete Luci Corneli et alii
That's an interesting point. I believe that the largest conquest* (more
about the nature of the conquest later)"at one time" (or by one army maybe)
was that of Gallia by C Iulius Caesar. That
war of conquest was fought in the late Republic.
But didn't all the subsequent conquests, occurring during the Empire, taken
together exceed that of Gallia, at least in terms of territories and
populations annexed? Britannia, Dacia, Palestine, Syria? Also, there was
temporary expansion into Germania and Parthia during the Empire. I am not
sure that I can agree that most of the conquest happened during the
Republic.
Didn't the conquest of Gallia help to precipitate the civil wars that ended
the Republic and paved the way for Augustus? I'm not demonizing Caesar, the
conquest of Gallia or the Empire, but it seems to me that conquest on this
scale really was more than the Republican system was prepared to handle.
But it is certainly true that Roma had begun expansion long before the time
of Caesar. The Roman Republic was an imperialistic one. I for one can
still take pride in Roman history, because most of the peoples in contact
with the Romans throughout their history were trying to expand too, it's
just that the Romans were, well, to put it simply, a Hell of a lot better at
it than most of their neighbors.
Don't we all want more, want our children to live better than we do? Today,
we (people in many places around the world, including us, the people who
have access to these computers) have the means of production, the economy
and the stability to achieve some measure of advance through education,
training, investment, et cetera. (hopefully we'll be able to maintain these
gains and keep moving, I dunno) These are modern things, however, that none
of the peoples of the ancient Mediterranean world really had. Shall we hate
the Galli, because they pillaged Rome in the middle Republic? I don't (they
had their reasons, I'm sure that they "needed" to do it), but I feel a sense
of pride for Caesar's making sure, some centuries later, that nothing of the
sort would happen again anytime soon.
*About conquest: it's accurate enough a word, but we shouldn't believe that
it was a negative thing, even for the people living in the conquered lands.
There is no shortage of evidence of worship of Roman emperors throughout the
provinces. People in Greek cities were holding Parilia-esque festivals
celebrating the Eternal City during the Empire. Greek-speaking people,
hundreds of years after the fall of the Western Empire, were still thinking
of themselves as Romans. This suggests to me that Roman conquest resulted
in, among other things, a sort of commonality and continuity that people
wanted very much. I encourage people to take a look at what my gensmate L
Marius Fimbria, has to say on the subject of this binding identity at
<a href="http://home.swbell.net/legion6/" target="_top" >http://home.swbell.net/legion6/</a>
Anyway, Rufa Paula is right. Nova Roma is for people who, at least, admire
Roma. If one believes that Roman history is a shameful, horrible thing,
that personal belief is in total conflict with the goals of Nova Roma.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
>From: "L. Corn--------s Sulla" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
>
>Please no shouting in the Forum.....I disagree with this....the Period of
>Nova Roma influnece goes from 753 bce to 395 ce. It will includes the
>Imperial Period of Rome. Therefore to not include the Imperial period is
to
>not include the total historical influence in Nova Roma. There are many
>citizens in Nova Roma who are partial and cater to the Imperial Period.
But
>just to prove your point about Imperalism and Imperial Rome...you might
want
>to know that most of the conquest Rome made was during the Republican
>Period....and NOT the Imperial Period.
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>Censor and Pater
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| Subject: |
Most conquests when was Re:Rufa Paula Cornelia (meandering a little) |
| From: |
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:26:46 -0000 |
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Salvete,
It may also be difficult to claim that the vast majority of Gallic
and
Btitanic "kings" were "conquered".
As soon as it became eveident that the Romans were here to stay they
signed pacts. I believe that many saw it as an inevitability.
A Celtic king would have to be a fool not to accept the offers made
by
the Romans...
"So here's the deal Mr Celtic King... you get to remain Head-guy, we
don't kill anyone or burn anything, we build a road, aqueduct,
sanitary
facilities, public baths, some other nifty buildings and a personal
villa for you with tiled floors and heated walls; we'll pay you twice
as much to grow 4 times the grain you already grow, guarantee the
Peace
and safe travel from one end of the World to the other; additionally
we
teach you how to collect more in taxes, we'll wipe your enemies off
the
face of the earth unless (of course!) they sign up, teach your
children
how to read and write and most imprtantly we'll take away all your
young ambitious hot heads, put them in our Army and station them a
few
thousand miles away. Do we have a deal?"
Gaius Valerius Tacitus Hibernicus
Centurio, Legio IX Hispana
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| Subject: |
Re: Most conquests when |
| From: |
Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 12:41:13 -0600 (CST) |
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Salvete omnes!
Scripsit Marius Merullus:
>That's an interesting point. I believe that the largest conquest*
>(more about the nature of the conquest later)"at one time" (or by one
>army maybe) was that of Gallia by C Iulius Caesar. That war of
>conquest was fought in the late Republic.
>
>But didn't all the subsequent conquests, occurring during the Empire,
>taken together exceed that of Gallia, at least in terms of territories
>and populations annexed?
Actually, the Carthaginian and Jugurthine wars brought us Spain and the
entire North African coast...not to mention the thoroughly
Republican-era conquest of Greece and Macedon, and that strip of Gallia
(Narbonnensis) that old Aemelius Scaurus (I think) annexed just so's he
could run a road through it. No small bit of real estate, there.
I still see the administration of such far-flung territories as
Mauretania and my own Hispania Baetica (both won from Carthage, nisi
memoria fallet) as being the thing that began to stretch the parochial
Republican governmental structure to its limit.
>Greek-speaking people, hundreds of years after the fall of the Western
>Empire, were still thinking of themselves as Romans. This suggests to
>me that Roman conquest resulted in, among other things, a sort of
>commonality and continuity that people wanted very much. I encourage
>people to take a look at what my gensmate L Marius Fimbria, has to say
>on the subject of this binding identity at
> <a href="http://home.swbell.net/legion6/" target="_top" >http://home.swbell.net/legion6/</a>
Thank you, Pater, for the plug! I might caution prospective visitors,
however, that all you'll be able to get to at present are the main page
and the Roman Outpost message-board; my subdirectories have been
inaccessible for weeks, due to some glitch on the part of my Internet
service provider (they're workin' on it). In the meantime, there are
fully-hyperlinked directories to my site on the Outpost (entitled
'Navigare Necesse Est').
Happy surfin'! >({|:-)
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<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |\=/|
Storyteller, Roleplayer Emeritus, ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
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bein' a Roman...it's hard work, but _|_| / _/_| /`(
*somebody's* gotta do it!!' /./..=' /./..'
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| Subject: |
Res privatae was Re: RE birth of a nation, Freedom of Speech |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:45:42 -0500 |
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Salvete Consul Q Fabi et alii
>V. The US is big on privacy. This would be unknown to Romans.
Yes and no. Yes, because what we consider private in the contemporary US
was nothing special to the Romans, as in the case of the very public toilet
facilities that the Romans built -- people of both genders apparently would
sit there and use them alongside each other, probably conversing with each
other. No big deal. (I am not up to this, by the way)
But no, because there was definitely a distinction between private matters
and public matters in the legal framework. See the second part, or
commentary, of Gaius' Institutes:
Hae autem res quae humani iuris sunt aut publicae sunt aut privatae (Those
affairs pertaining to human law {as opposed to different types of religious
law discussed elsewhere} are either public or private.)
then later
privatae sunt quae singulorum hominum sunt (Affairs that pertain to
individual people are private.)
So, matters concerning individuals were handled differently.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
recognizing the need to distinguish between public and private spheres as
the ancient Romans did, but liking a single-occupancy bathroom all the same
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| Subject: |
Vacation |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 14:53:52 -0500 (EST) |
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Salve, Citizens;
Just a point of information for you all, as you may be interested. My
lovely wife has been pleased to present me with a long-coveted vacation
on the West Coast (Portland, Ore.) which will consist of a cruise up the
Columbia River Gorge, and a three day visit in my old hometown Portland
with my family. I will be available in town on the evening of the 13th,
14th and 15th of April to recieve any Nova Roman who may be in the area.
We will buy a couple of bottles of Falurnian (or something as suitable)
with which to toast anyone who would wish to face-to face with us.
The vacation is a gift primarily for my being such a good boy during
this convelesance. I have not used physical violence on anyone, and
have for the most part done what the doctors have advised (my doctors
advise me, because it doesn't do much good to "tell" me anything---bad
attitude you know!!!!!) with only one exception, which is pretty good
for me. I hope that somebody will be able and will wish to share this
opportunity.
Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re:Rufa Paula Cornelia |
| From: |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:39:40 +0100 |
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Salutem!
Steady on, old chap...there's no need to shout.
Pace,
Vado.
> I FIGHT FOR THE REPUBLIC! YOU LOVE THE EMPIRE OF TYRANTS? WHY ARE YOU IN
THE
> REPUBLIC OF NOVA ROMA? HOW DARE YOU ATTACK MY PATRIOTISM TO THIS REPUBLIC!
I
> VILLIFY THE EXECESSES OF IMPERIAL ROME! I WILL NOT DEBATE WITH YOU
FURTHER,
> FOR YOUR INADEQUACY IN SEPERATING REPUBLICAN ROME FROM IMPERIAL ROME SHOWS
> YOUR WEAKNESS ENOUGH, I NEED NOT EXPLOIT IT FURTHER.
>
> FOR THE REPUBLIC! FOR ROME!
>
> Eternally for the Senate and People of Rome!
>
> P. CORNELIUS SERTORIUS CLAUDIUS
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Birth of a Nation |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=203232245037127031172223065101114237071048139" >Im2Brandon@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 17:04:25 EST |
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I agree wholeheartedly Cassius and thank you for the complement, and I really
enjoyed this subject and your word on it. I would also like to take this
moment to address the response to the person who questioned my belief in this
Republic. I know that I should not have been so incensed but, you who wrote
the letter, you know who you are, questioned my love of this nation, and of
Rome, and I will not back down from what I said, but I will say that I said
it too forcefully. And for you who did not aggree with my comments on
Imperial Rome, know this: my beef with the imperial system was when the
office of the priceps was subjected to the panderings of the Praetorian
Guard, and the instability which thus eventually destroyed and split the
Empire, which after its demise Europe was thrown into the abyssal Dark Ages.
My favorite figures of Roman history come from the Principate and the Early
Empire. Marcus Aurelius, Octavius, and Marcus Agrippa are the Romans that I
do so dearly love. I attack the excesses and corruption of later Imperial
Rome that led to its downfall.
Respectfully,
P. Cornelius Sertorius Claudius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Freedom of Speech |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:06:17 EST |
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In a message dated 3/30/00 11:01:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> writes:
<< I think that the exchange of ideas should not be completely free in Rome,
particularly in what concerns the Religio Romana. To blasphemate the Gods of
Rome is to bring their wrath over all nation. >>
Senator, the gods do not exist. Therefore, they cannot vent wrath on anyone.
Gaius Lupinius Festus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Freedom of Speech |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Thu, 30 Mar 2000 15:20:56 -0800 |
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----- Original Message -----
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Freedom of Speech
> In a message dated 3/30/00 11:01:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> writes:
>
> << I think that the exchange of ideas should not be completely free in
Rome,
> particularly in what concerns the Religio Romana. To blasphemate the Gods
of
> Rome is to bring their wrath over all nation. >>
>
>
> Senator, the gods do not exist. Therefore, they cannot vent wrath on
anyone.
How do you know the Gods dont exist?
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
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