Subject:	Re: Nova Roma Coinage
From:	"Robert Williamson" <a href="/post/no--------ma?protectID=194233250056127134015037190036129" >robert@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 6 Apr 2000 09:38:16 -0400

Salve: There has been some discussion of getting coins made for our nation. I don't know whether anyone has already done so, but you may want to get an idea of what another cybernation has done. Freedonia has had coins made for their citizens that look pretty good to me, and these may give us an idea of what can be accomplished. Take a look at <a href="http://www.freedonia.org/" target="_top" >http://www.freedonia.org/</a>
and see what you think. On their page is a link to their coins that they offer, with pictures of course. Vale: Appius Marcellus Cato


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Subject:	(Belated) Nones Announcement
From:	Jennifer E Hunt <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=194176114182127134138038203001129208071" >riturtle@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:03:31 -0400

Salvete, omnes!

Let me first just say, "Oops." I'm late.

That and the proper piacular prayer said . . .

I announce the Nones of Aprilis:

Upcoming festivals are (and for now, I'm going to let Antonius Gryllus
Graecus explain these in more detail):
Dies Natalis Fortunae Quirinalis: Nonas Aprilis (April 5)
Dies Natalis Magnae Matris (end of Megalesia): ante diem VI Idus Aprilis
(April 10)
Cerealia: pridie Idus April (April 12) - ante diem XIII Kalendas Maii
(April
19)
Forticidia: ante diem XVII Kalendas Maii (April 15)
Palilia: ante diem XI Kalendas Maii (April 21)
Vinalia Priora: ante diem IX Kalendas Maii (April 23)
Robigalia: ante diem VII Kalendas Maii (April 25)
Floralia: ante diem IV Kalendas Maii (April 28)

Valete!

Iulia Ovidia Luna
Pontifex, Nova Roma

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] I'm so sad... You did not understand... (was Does Festus Exist...
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:21:47 EDT

In a message dated 4/6/00 8:57:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200028091056078198015242190036129" &--------yrene@--------</a&--------writes:

<< I sincerely
hope that the Religio will not be reduced to role playing! >>

Salve Kyrenia,

I sympathize with you here. I know Cassius has cleared this up already,
but I could not see the point of serving as a religious leader or a priest in
a religion one does not actually believe. It is like John Shelby Spong being
a bishop in the Episcopal Church and flat out rejecting every basic belief
that church supposedly professes.

Were/are you on Ancient Sites? The name Kyrenia rings a bell, but I cannot
place it.

Gaius Lupinius Festus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Does Festus Exist?
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:30:06 EDT

In a message dated 4/6/00 5:38:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123056234112159192112061175246231253136100139046209" >gens_moravia@--------</a> writes:

<< It seems to me that you simply don't WANT to believe. >>

More precisely, I do not want to pretend that I do believe out of a want to
believe.

I think I made it clear in another post {which you probably did not see} that
I do not call myself an atheist. It is true I do not believe the Roman gods
exist. But I am not closed to all notions of deity.

Instead of trying to rehash the old teleological argument, you might consider
asking me where I would look for divinity, if not in the architecture of the
physical universe.

Gaius Lupinius Festus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Festus
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:36:39 EDT

In a message dated 4/6/00 3:39:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a> writes:

<< I do not think it proper to respond further to Festus'
actual arguments, but will instead ask the Praetors and/or Censor to
consider whether Festus should be allowed to continue to occupy time and
bandwidth in the Nova Roma list. >>

Look, I have already explained in what sense I *could* "honor the gods".
That was ignored.
And I do not visit the religio list simply out of courtesy for their users.
I always thought the religio lists were for believers!

Scaevola, don't play around. If you want to complain over non-issues, go
demand that I be charged and tried with 'blasphemy' or 'treason' or
whathaveyou.

Gaius Lupinius Festus

Subject:	Re: Belief & Religio Priesthood + Romanitas and Pietas
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:47:35 +0100

Salvete

I won't discuss the statements of Acadianus Draco and Pontifex Maximus
Cassius because I agree with them. In my posting I was talking about
TRADITIONAL ROMAN religion. Of course Iulianus comes at the end of the
Empire when many Mystery cults, including Christianity had already taken
their toll on Roman traditional beliefs. The policy to follow in Nova Roma,
Who is the heir of Romanitas from all times and all places of course has to
learn with past experiences, and as such, higher spirituality is welcome
here.

Nevertheless, I also personally welcome all those whose Romanitas is great,
and now I would like to speak about that same Romanitas as a form of
Traditional Pietas.
Cassius had a point on saying that a believer is more likely to care about
the correct form of sacrifice. In fact, one does better what one does with
heart and soul. Nevertheless, there is a very important kind of belief. It's
the belief in our Romanitas. I think Festus (with no offense) has no belief
in his Romanitas because Romanitas implies a Love for all Roman things, a
love that is only possible with personal identification, and that
identification implies an identification with our Roman ancestors. Why was
an atheist capable of being a Flamen? Not because he was an hipocrit. That
was because he was proud of being a Roman. And even if he was an epicurean
he would be proud of offering sacrifice. Roman Pride, that's Romanitas.
Romanitas is a form of Pietas. The love for the State, the love for the Urbs
of Rome, the love for the 7 hills. That was the power that lead a Roman
general to ride well inside the enemy lines to bring them the wrath of the
Gods of the Underworld together with is death in an act of "devotio". As
such, I personally valour anyone who, guided by a sincere sense of Romanitas
offers himself to be a priest of the State Cult.

Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Announcement to the people of Nova Roma (Special Election)
From:	"Jeffrey L. Graham" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045056047121127198187242109140244253188098030046209130" >--------reygraham@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:09:19 +0000

Salve, Quirites

To be completely honest, I'm not sure what a Curule Aedile does, but it
is my sincere desire to serve and support Nova Roma to the best of my
ability. I am unemployed due to a disability and therefore I certainly
have the time to devote to a public office. Upon reflection, I think it
would be better to start lower in the administration, as curule aedile,
then stand for censor after I have earned the respect and trust
neccessary for such an office. Therefore, I wish to make known that I,
Quintus Gaufridus Canus, hereby stand for Curule Aedile.

Valete



On Thu, 6 Apr 2000 21:39:59 +0100 "Nick Ford"
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123056234112159192112061175246231253136100139046209" >gens_moravia@--------</a> writes:
> Salutem mei populari
>
> Dixit Canus:
>
> > I would like to stand for the office of curule aedile
> >
> > Q. Gaufridus Canus
>
> Respondeo: Quapropter?
>
> Valete,
>
> Vado.
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] I'm so sad... You did not understand... (was Does Festus Exist...
From:	"Kyrene" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=200028091056078198015242190036129" &--------yrene@--------</a&--------/td>
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 08:27:35 -0400

----- Original Message -----
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] I'm so sad... You did not understand... (was Does
Festus Exist...

> << I sincerely
> hope that the Religio will not be reduced to role playing! >>
> Salve Kyrenia,
> I sympathize with you here. I know Cassius has cleared this up already,
> but I could not see the point of serving as a religious leader or a priest
in
> a religion one does not actually believe. It is like John Shelby Spong
being
> a bishop in the Episcopal Church and flat out rejecting every basic belief
> that church supposedly professes.

Agreed, and excellent analogy :)

> Were/are you on Ancient Sites? The name Kyrenia rings a bell, but I
cannot
> place it.

Yes I am, but under a different name: Deiphobe Leonidas.

You may have seen my name elsewhere; I post as Kyrene Ariadne among the
Hellenic scene. :)



Vale et khaire,


Kyrinia


-=* Kyrene Ariadne/Andrea Gladia Kyrinia *=-
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-=* <a href="http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1527" target="_top" >http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Troy/1527</a> *=-
-=* ~The Tholos~ *=-
-=* ICQ:6663573 Yahoo:KyreneAriadne AIM:KyreneAriadne *=-

Subject:	Our Censor
From:	"susan brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061158091009093031223225065148243223136058139046209" >scriba_forum@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 07 Apr 2000 13:35:46 GMT

Salvete Pater, et. Omnes:

Sulla Felix, you sure do a shipload of great work for Nova Roma. You are a
very dedicated Censor and a great Pater.

Valete from Pompeia Cornelia
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Subject:	several items
From:	"Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 07 Apr 2000 14:39:00 GMT

Salvete Omnes

First of all, I need a voter code as Onelist wiped out my saved files a
while back. Secondly, I would definitely hope that while Pontifex Graecus
may say that the Romans cared more for the outward aspect of the Religio
than the inward one as far as the public goes, that he would prefer to
follow the wise example of Julian the Blessed and try to find Flamens and
Priests of deep Pietas.

Valete

Lucina Iunia Cypria
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] several items
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:14:35 +0100

Salvete Lucina et al

>First of all, I need a voter code as Onelist wiped out my saved files a
>while back. Secondly, I would definitely hope that while Pontifex Graecus
>may say that the Romans cared more for the outward aspect of the Religio
>than the inward one as far as the public goes, that he would prefer to
>follow the wise example of Julian the Blessed and try to find Flamens and
>Priests of deep Pietas.
Oh, don't worry... Anyway, pietas without romanitas is not enough for me. I
think you will surely find this wise too. =)

Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex

Subject:	Curule Aedile (M. Octavius Germanicus)
From:	Matt Hu--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a>
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:54:02 -0500 (CDT)

On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, L. Cornelius Sulla wrote:

> What do you plan to do as Curule Aedile?

Salvete Luci Corneli et omni,

In the Respublica, the Curule Aediles supervised public buildings,
archives of laws, streets, sewers, and other public infrastructure,
and sponsored public games. The Constitution of Nova Roma states
that the Curule Aediles are responsible for the conduct of public
games, festivals and gatherings, ensuring order at religious
events, and to see to the maintenance of public facilities.

There are few public events which draw a substantial number of
citizens of Nova Roma. This is an unfortunate consequence of the
distributed nature of our State, with its citizens distributed
throughout the world. I think it may be several years before this
function of the aedileship can be fulfilled.

The Aediles maintain such public property as buildings, monuments,
sewers, et cetera. At present, we have none of these. However,
Nova Roma does have a significant piece of public property - the
novaroma.org web site. As a professional sysadmin, I am well suited
to the task of managing such a site. (Not to be confused with
managing the content of the site - I have no desire to infringe upon
the responsibilites of the Curator Araneae).

I, Octavius, will donate to Nova Roma the use of my web servers and
unlimited space thereupon, free of charge. I will provide a client/server
relational database for the storage of any data the Censors wish
to make available, fulfilling the Aediles' responsibility to manage
public archives. And I will build tools to search, edit and modify
this data - such as an automated citizenship application processing
system for use by the Censors.

Once invested in the office of Curule Aedile, I shall submit a
detained proposal to the Senate and the senior magistrates, offering
my services. I can immediately begin to help Nova Roma save money
by reducing the cost of server space for the web site to zero.

The various responsibilities of the Curule Aedile can be generalized
as two categories: public events and civic infrastructure. I believe that,
by becoming actively involved with the NovaRoma.org web site, I would
be fulfilling an Aedile's responsibilities, and using my training
and abilities most effectively.

MARCUS OCTAVIUS GERMANICUS

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Subject:	Vacant Censor Seat
From:	"George Van De Water" <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=081166234150056086048038203219129208071" >vandewge@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 07 Apr 2000 15:01:47 -0000

Salve Omnes!

I Giaus Africanus Secundus Germanicus, a citizen of Nova Roma since
August of 1998 place my name before the Senate and People of Rome to
stand for the vacant seat of Censor. I do this knowing the great
responsibility I take on and with the helps of the Deities of my Gen
I will serve Rome well.

I am the Paterfamilis of Gens Africania Secunda, currently all my
gens live in the Southwest Provincia. I served Rome as the Aedile
Plebis filling a vacant seat for four months but missed reapplying
during the last election as I was out of country.

With the rapid growth of our New Republic the work of Censor is not
only important but time consuming. I will be retiring as a college
administrator at the end of June and will be able to devote the
necessary time to insure the work is done in a timely manner. Twenty-
four years in the military both as enlisted and officer ranks plus 18
years in administration have given my the opportunity to develop the
skills needed for such an important calling. I have the people and
computer skills to accomplish the job. I know that this is a big jump
from Aedile Plebis to Censor and I would like to see more effort in
developing the Southwest Provincia, especially the northern colony
(Utah), but I am placing my name in response to the call from our
Good Censor Lucius Cornelius Sulla..

Your for the Glory of Rome.

G. Africanus Secundus

Subject:	Message for Lucius Cornelius Sulla
From:
Date:	Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:58:27 +0930

Salve,

I didn't receive my voter code :-) Sorry about posting to the list but I
also have lost all my saved addresses!!

Vale,
Marcus Arcadius Pius

Subject:	ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem VII Idus Aprilis (April 7th)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:58:29 +0100

Salvete omnes

This is one of the dies nefasti (N), a day on which no legal action or
public business could take place.

This is the fourth day of the Megalesia in honour of Magna Mater (Cybele),
Who saved us from Hannibal, as promised by the Sibylline Oracles.

Pax Deorum vobiscum

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Coinage
From:
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:27:54 EDT

Salve

The Freedonia Coins look really (really really really really really...)
professional. I think it a capital idea to create the Nova Roma coins in a
simmilar format. Although it would be a generally better idea to begin with
a smaller monetary value and I would personally perfer a more artistic form
on the front of the coin and on the back of the coin. Just my thoughts.

Vale

Iulius Thompsonus

Faber est suae quisque fortunae.

Subject:	The Pisa Ships
From:
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:34:27 EDT

Salvete
This weekend's Explorator newsletter, gives the info that Discover magazine's
report on the Pisa ships is finally online:
The URL
<a href="http://www.discover.com/apr_00/gthere.html?article=featlost.html" target="_top" >http://www.discover.com/apr_00/gthere.html?article=featlost.html</a>
Valete

Subject:	Re: Forming a Roman Legion is easy as pie
From:	<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:52:03 -0000

Well said Marcus Audens! Well said indeed!
___

With new merchants or old merchants with new products it's lots
easier
to do Roman military reenactment than ever before! This, plus the
info
that we share with each other about armor contruction etc makes
starting a new club much easier.

Legio XX (MD) and Legio IX Hispana keep a fairly extensive list of US
Clubs on our webs sites. See if there's a Legio near you!

There is a general understanding among clubs, by the way. If you form
a
new one, try to use the number and name of a Legio that no one else
is
doing.

Legio IX Hispana events in the next few of months that everyone is
welcome to attend, even participate with us:

June 17-18 Grand National Irish Fair Pasadena, CA
June 24-25 San Diego Highland Games, Vista, CA
July 4th weekend, SCA War, Eureka CA
July 8-9 Old Ft MacArthur Days, Los Angeles, CA

Feel free to write!

Salvete,
Gaius Valerius Tacitus Hibernicus
Centurio
Legio IX Hispana
www.legio-ix-hispana.org

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Coinage
From:
Date:	Fri, 07 Apr 2000 13:00:50 -0400

Idea for coinage: One the front have a picture of Janus ( gates closed ), and on
the back victorious Augustus. Or Romulus & Remus being suckled by a she wolf --
on the front, and on the reverse have the Nova Roma flag.

Tacitus


<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246243113180119209184102159248147208071048" >St--------eck@--------</--------; wrote:

> Salve
>
> The Freedonia Coins look really (really really really really really...)
> professional. I think it a capital idea to create the Nova Roma coins in a
> simmilar format. Although it would be a generally better idea to begin with
> a smaller monetary value and I would personally perfer a more artistic form
> on the front of the coin and on the back of the coin. Just my thoughts.
>
> Vale
>
> Iulius Thompsonus
>
> Faber est suae quisque fortunae.
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Coinage
From:	"Robert Williamson" <a href="/post/no--------ma?protectID=194233250056127134015037190036129" >robert@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:56:21 -0400

Salve: Perhaps a coin half the size of the Freedonia coins would be more in
line with Nova Roma's needs. And it wouldn't have to be pure silver,
although that would certainly be nice. Maybe there is a way that could be
arranged. As to design, maybe we could come up with five ot ten possible
designs and then have a vote on which designs for obverse and reverse would
be used. If money is really tight, maybe the coins could be the same size
as actual Roman silver denari, about the size of a dime or nickel. Vale,
... Appius Marcellus Cato
----- Original Message -----
From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246243113180119209184102159248147208071048" >St--------eck@--------</--------;
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma Coinage


> Salve
>
> The Freedonia Coins look really (really really really really really...)
> professional. I think it a capital idea to create the Nova Roma coins in
a
> simmilar format. Although it would be a generally better idea to begin
with
> a smaller monetary value and I would personally perfer a more artistic
form
> on the front of the coin and on the back of the coin. Just my thoughts.
>
> Vale
>
> Iulius Thompsonus
>
> Faber est suae quisque fortunae.
>
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Subject:	Candidatus in censorem was Announcement to the people of Nova Roma (Special Election)
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:57:51 -0400

Salvete Cives

I, Gaius Marius Merullus, declare my candidacy for the position of censor,
to serve if elected for the remainder of this calendar year.

I understand that this position will involve my constant attention and more
work than I have put into Nova Roma to date. My understanding of the
position comes from my work last year as rogator, as well as communication
with some of our censores to date, both within the framework of organizing
the elections and in general. I am willing to shoulder this burden because
I understand too that it is vital that this work be done, and preferably by
someone who has some relevant experience. I believe that my rogator
experience provides a relevant basis of knowledge of the electoral system
and, I hope, demonstrates my diligence and willingness to work for Nova
Roma.

Valete

-----Original Message-----
From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=061044104089235135169082190036" >sfp55@--------</--------; <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=061044104089235135169082190036" >sfp55@--------</--------;
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 2:32 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Announcement to the people of Nova Roma (Special
Election)


>Citizens of Rome, Salvete!
>At this time we invite all who wish to stand for the one opening of Censor
>declare your candidacy to the list.
>All those wishing to stand for Curule Aedile, two places are open, declare
>your candidacy to the list.
>You will have 3 days starting at 4:00 AM PDT.
>At this time we are also looking for a new forum moderator (Curator Sermo)
It
>is an appointed position by the Senate. Interested people can contact the
>consules, we will relay your request to the Senate.
>Fortuna watch over our republic.
>Valete
>Q. Fabius Maximus
>M. Municius Audens
>Consules

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Candidatus in censorem was Announcement to the people of Nova Roma (Special Election)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:34:54 +0100

Salvete

I, Antonius Gryllus Graecus, support the candidacy of Gaius Marius Merullus
to Censor.

Valete

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex, Senator, Praetor, Propraetor Lusitaniae

-----Original Message-----
From: RMerullo <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Cc: <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=219056234112193209090218066036129208" >ce--------s@--------</a> <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=219056234112193209090218066036129208" >ce--------s@--------</a>; Sulla
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 7:58 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Candidatus in censorem was Announcement to the people of
Nova Roma (Special Election)


>Salvete Cives
>
>I, Gaius Marius Merullus, declare my candidacy for the position of censor,
>to serve if elected for the remainder of this calendar year.
>
>I understand that this position will involve my constant attention and more
>work than I have put into Nova Roma to date. My understanding of the
>position comes from my work last year as rogator, as well as communication
>with some of our censores to date, both within the framework of organizing
>the elections and in general. I am willing to shoulder this burden because
>I understand too that it is vital that this work be done, and preferably by
>someone who has some relevant experience. I believe that my rogator
>experience provides a relevant basis of knowledge of the electoral system
>and, I hope, demonstrates my diligence and willingness to work for Nova
>Roma.
>
>Valete

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Plea for Censorship position
From:	George VanDeWater <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=081166234150056086048038203219129208071" >vandewge@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 07 Apr 2000 13:42:09 -0600

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 788
From:	"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 07 Apr 2000 12:44:44 PDT

Salvete Quiriti...

Scripsit Festus:

><< It seems to me that you simply don't WANT to believe. >>
>
>More precisely, I do not want to pretend that I do believe out of a want to
>believe.

- then obviously it is not very important to you, which I assume is why you
have treated the religious sensibilities of many on this list so lightly.
Personally, I can live with your disdain for the Roman gods, but it's your
liver, and Iove's eagle.

>I think I made it clear in another post {which you probably did not see}
>that
>I do not call myself an atheist.

- You don't need to call yourself an atheist to be one. I've done it for
you. According to my semiology, you are an atheist. I won't like you any
better if you contrived to prove to my satisfaction that you're not.

>It is true I do not believe the Roman gods
>exist. But I am not closed to all notions of deity.

- I wish you had said that at the beginning, rather than that the gods of
Rome do not exist. They do not exist for you. They exist for me, and most of
our fellow-citizens, and those for whom they do not are courteous and
sensitive enough to leave it at that.

>Instead of trying to rehash the old teleological argument, you might
>consider
>asking me where I would look for divinity, if not in the architecture of
>the
>physical universe.

- This is not going to be a rewarding game for me to play if you keep moving
the definitional goalposts like this. Where you look for divinity is up to
you. I sincerely hope you find it somewhere, or maybe It will find you.
Perhaps then we shall be able to resume this discourse on a less adversarial
footing. Until then, I fear I've nothing more to say to you on the subject.
You are obviously a very well-read man: may we talk about something else?
Such as, what actually inspires you about Romanitas that you would seek to
emulate?

Bene valete, omni, pace,

Vado.


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Subject:	re: Nova Roman Coinage
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=091176234237035233170098228064247165230048139046" >nina.shaull@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:30:16 -0000

Salvete.
I agree with the previous message, if NR were to have coins made,
they should be as close as possible, if a little better
minted/engraved, as the actual ancient roman coins. (i.e. size)
Valete,
Nina "still-looking-for-the-perfect-roman-name-I'll-let-you-know-
when-I-found-it" Shaull

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Candidatus in censorem was Announcement to the people of Nova Roma (Special Election)
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:16:04 -0400 (EDT)

Salve, Citizens of Nova Roma;

I stand in Forum to tell you of my support for Gaius Marius Merrullus
for the position of Magistrate and Censor. I have know this gentleman,
Roman and Senator for a year or so, and have worked closely with him on
several projects. He has been kind enough to act as my Assessus Major
for a staff working with the proposed Nova Roma Outreach Sodalitus as
well as for my Consular Staff.

He has demonstrated very good judgement in my view in several different
endeavors, indicating a well-rounded character. He has been extremely
diligent in referring to mareial in the legal archives of Nova Roma,
thereby placing the authority in his arguments in clear perspective
rather than conjecture. He has demonstrated repeatedly that he does his
homework and his resultant ideas and activities are always advantageous
for the interests of Nova Roma.

He has my complete confidence in matters relating to my Consular Staff
or the work involved with the NR Outreach Program proposal. I am
pleased to be able to call him both friend and colleague. He has
contributed much to the life and culture of Nova Roma, and he has
developed several working ideas which are bearig fruit within the above
listed areas.

It is my belief that he will do very well as a Magistrate and Censor for
Nova Roma, and I strongly recommend him for that position without
reservation of any kind.

Vale, Respectfully and Sincerely;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Consul and Senator

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!