| Subject: |
Camenaeum |
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| Date: |
Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:01:46 -0700 |
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Salve!
With the election for the Curule Aediles. I hope that they develop the Camenaeum. There is alot of Roman Culture on the Web, and only a small portion is reflected on the Nova Roma website.
Also, the Annals need to be updated. :)
I hope that our candidates for Curule Aedile take this responsibility up to improve the Nova Roma website. :)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Roman Christians |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 11 Apr 2000 20:10:01 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salve, Citizen;
Just as Nova Roma has foresworn conquest, slavery, and oppression of
women's equal rights with men--Nova Roma has seen fit to accept all
religions within it's boundaries requiring only that those who
administer to the state as Magistrates take an oath to honor the Roman
Religio and Gods.
I am a Christian, but have taken such an oath with pride and sincereity
at every step of the Cursus Honorium. I follow the Roman Virtues in my
public and private life to the best of my ability, and study the culture
of ancient Rome from the aspect of Military Engineering and Cartography,
for which I have the honor to command a Sodalitas of such, of my own
creation. I hold the position of military Tribunus Laticlavius in
XXIVth Legio (honorary position), the Legatus Civicus for the area of
Connecticut under the supervision of the honorable Pro-Consul of Nova
Britannia (Senator Marcus Cassius Julianus), I have the honor to hold
the rank of Legatus Meribilius To the Sea Guild of St Erasmus (SCA) and
currently have the very great honor to have been raised to Patrician
Class, appointed Senator and elected to the position of Consul of Nova
Roma.
Those are some of the actvities that a Chistain may involve himself /
herself with in Nova Roma. In fact there is no limit to these
activities except as has been noted in some of the priesthoods in the
Religio. I feel myself singularly honored by these positions that have
been bestowed upon me, and I have responded by devoting a portion of my
available time to Nova Roma in return.
However, even more important than all of the above put together is the
friendship and comeradery which has been extended to me from all those
who I have had the pleasure and honor to work with and for, in my term
in Nova Roma. I wish the same satisfaction and friendship to you for
your tenure here.
Vale, Respectflly;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Consul et Senator
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Camenaeum |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:00:21 EDT |
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Salve
What does the curule aedile do?
Vale
Iulius Titinius Antonius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Camenaeum |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:11:42 -0700 |
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He is in charge of infrastructure. (thats the easy answer)
I dont have my Constitution avialable.....you might want to go to the Nova
Roma website and check out the Constitution there. :)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
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> What does the curule aedile do?
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> Vale
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] To all Governors |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:23:10 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salve, Quintus Sertoris;
Normally the lists of Nova Roma Members are for the Pro-Consuls and
Praetors of the Provinces due to the privacy necessities of Nova Roma
Members. I believe the website provides you with the necessary
information that you require in regard to the province in which you
live. Since you have not been appointed Govenor (Praetor) and have not
taken the Oath of Office, I believe it is not appropriatefor such
information to be provided to you.
Evn as a Legate for the area of Connecticut, I must rely upon my
Pro-Conuls of this province to provide me with such information as I
need to manage this area.
Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Consul, Senator et Legate.
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Civis Novus |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:32:34 -0400 (EDT) |
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Gee, Nick;
That's what I thought "smiley faces" were for!!! Kyrene is just back
from a long sabatical, and is an honored member here in NR, and in the
religio. I for one am glad to see her humor and livliness back on line
to brighten up a sometimes bleak onelist landscape. Maybe we could cut
her a little slack just this once!!!! (Grin!!!) :-) :-) :-)
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Civis Novus |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:37:31 EDT |
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Salve!
<< Maybe we could cut
her a little slack just this once!!!! (Grin!!!) :-) :-) :-) >>
Cut her a little slack? I was just about to take her up on her offer {{:-)
{{:-) {{:-) LoL
Vale with many wonderful days ahead!
Iulius Titinius Antonius
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| Subject: |
Provinces, Gens and Maps; |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:26:16 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salve, Franciscus Apulus Caesar, Consul Sacro Bares Impero;
First of all, you need not apologize for your English. Your English is
infinately superior to my Italian (Grin!!!). Are you a member of NR??
If you will read our website you will be able to get a better idea of
how we in NR create new provinces. It is done through proposal by one
or more of our citizens, reviewed by the Consuls, and if both Consuls
agree, the proposal is submitted to our Senate for discussion and vote.
I don't believe I fully understand your offer to "map Italica with 8
gens" or your offer to "map the Empire."
We have in Nova Roma a Sodalitas of Military Engineering and Cartography
which would be interested to hear your further comments regarding
mapping. You may direct such remarks to me, as you wish.
Nova Roma has some provinces, but due to a lack of members in some
geographical areas, we do not have the same provinces as the Ancient
Roman Empire did.
Thank you for contacting Nova Roma. I hope this message answers some of
your questions.
Vale, Respectus;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Consul et Senator
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] To all Governors |
| From: |
"Qu--------s Sertor--------#34; <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123075020254193194170038203026129208071" >gu--------he@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:08:31 -0500 |
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12 April 2000
Salve
My name is Quintus Sertorius, and I believe I have made a mistake. When I
saw the email from the Censor to all governors, I did not read it properly.
I thought it was a request for information dealing with the provincia. As
there is no governor for Canada Occidentalis, I wanted to ensure that what I
thought was requested information, would be passed on. I did not want the
email addresses of all the citizens in Canada Occidentalis(though that would
help me to organize). I only learned of my mistake when I returned from work
at 2a.m. and saw the posted messages. At first I laughed at my oversite, but
than I thought that this may be taken the wrong way. If I have given the
impression that I have tried to place myself above my station, I am truly
sorry. As I live my life following the Roman virtues, I feel I have hurt my
dignitas, and I only hope the Citizens of Nova Roma will not think poorly of
me. Again, I am profoundly sorry for my oversite.
Quintus Sertorius
Citizen
Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Macrons & Mysteries |
| From: |
"Doug Barr" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114015211254158209218218186036129208" >dhkbarr@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 00:46:27 -0700 |
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Salvete omnes!
Thank you for your vote of confidence -- if that's what it was. (I'm waiting for a few more answers -- particular from the Pontifex Maximus.) In preparation, however, and also because I'm going to need it anyway, I have just bought myself a Latin and English dictionary, from which I will not only undertake to do the vowel transcriptions but also occasionally issue pedantic and picayune little notes like the following:
* Technically, the word for "scribe" is "scriba," not "scribus" -- it's one of those "looks-feminine-but-isn't" words like "nauta" and "agricola."
In the days, weeks, months, and years ahead, when it seems that the only sensible thing to do is to bomb gens Albia off the planet with a couple of tons of radioactive grammar texts, kindly remember that you asked for it. :)
Valete!
G. Albius Gadelicus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Macrons & Mysteries |
| From: |
Marcus Pap--------s Justus <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197166104009127132130232203026129208071" >pap--------s@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 05:18:55 -0600 |
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At 12:46 AM 4/12/00 -0700, you wrote:
> In preparation, however, and also because I'm going to need it anyway, I
> have just bought myself a Latin and English dictionary, from which I will
> not only undertake to do the vowel transcriptions but also occasionally
> issue pedantic and picayune little notes like the following:
If I may jump on the pedantic bandwagon here, could I be so bold as to
point out something to numerous posters? When addressing the group, if you
insist on using a Latin greeting, please use the proper form, e.g.:
Salvete or Avete (omnes) ... this is the form you use when addressing more
than one person
If you are addressing only one person:
Salve or Ave (name of person in vocative form ... Marce, Gai, etc. ... if
you don't know the vocative you can probably get away with the nominative
without too much linguistic offence)
dm
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| Subject: |
What A Curule Aedile Does |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 04:04:06 PDT |
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Salve Iuli Titini Antoni:
Quaeristi:
> > What does the curule aedile do?
- I think he must be responsible for the manufacture, repair and maintenance
of folding chairs.
Hope this helps. If not, try reading the website :-P.
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Macrons & Mysteries |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:17:02 EDT |
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In a message dated 4/12/2000 2:19:26 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197166104009127132130232203026129208071" >pap--------s@--------</a> wr--------:
<< Salve or Ave (name of person in vocative form ... Marce, Gai, etc. ... if
you don't know the vocative you can probably get away with the nominative
without too much linguistic offense) >>
Salvete!
Many of our texts we have today were copied by monks and have greetings in
the nominative. I've always wondered if this was an oversight or had the
Latin degenerated so much by that time, that the vocative voice was no longer
in use and the monks passed the common mistake onto us. It makes for
interesting speculation.
Valete!
Q. Fabius
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| Subject: |
Tribes |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 03:48:36 -0700 |
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Salvete Civies
I come before you with a Censor Report on the Tribes and their
composition in Nova Roma. I think this is very important given the
fact of the upcoming election.
At Nova Roma, in compliance with the Constitution, we now have 35
Tribes. 31 of them are Urban Tribes, and 4 of them Rural Tribes. The
difference between the classification of the Tribes are quite simple.
To be in a Urban Tribe you must either be a new citizen or you need to
vote in the election. If you fail to vote, your Tribal association is
then sent to one of the 4 Rural Tribes. Given the amount of work it
takes to go through each citizen voter code, this revision only occurs
ONCE a year. I obtain my information from our Rogatores. Now, as I
posted earlier, you MUST enter your voter code correctly in caps and
with no spaces. If you fail to do that, then you did NOT vote. With
that in mind, here is my report:
* Please for all new citizens who have been approved within a month ago,
you have not been assigned a voter code and a Tribe placement.
Tribe # - Name of Tribe - Number of Members
1. Palatina 3
2. Esquilina 1
3. Collina 4
4. Horatia 2
5. Quirina 3
6. Cornelia 0
7. Sabatina 1
8. Aemilia 2
9. Aniensis 4
10. Falerna 0
11. Camillia 2
12. Galeria 2
13. Pomptina 1
14. Claudia 1
15. Velina 2
16. Arnensis 2
17. Menenia 3
18. Papiria 0
19. Suburana 2
20. Poblilia 3
21. Pollia 1
22. Maecia 2
23. Pupinia 5
24. Romilia 2
25. Scaptia 3
26. Stellatina 2
27. Teretina 1
28. Voturia 3
29. Sergia 6
30. Tromentina 5
31. Voltinia 3
These next 4 Tribes are the Rural Tribes:
32. Oufentina 84
33. Clustumina 83
34. Fabia 83
35. Lemonia 83
Basically, what this reflects is the very low voter turnout. Keep in
mind, the fewer tribe members the more the votes are skewed. This is
Republican Rome at work now. I hope that some of our more knowledge
Roman Scholars can further explain what this means. However, we know
how to correct this, when our Consuls summon the Comitia for voting,
VOTE.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
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| Subject: |
BDSM in NR (Was Re: Civis Novus) |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 06:33:44 PDT |
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Salutem!
Scripsit G. Drusus Domitianus:
> Here we go--- anyone for a BDSM sodales in Nova Roma as it might
>even get us the publicity of a tv special on HBO---lolrotflmao.
O piissime!
The idea of founding a BDSM (Bacchanalis Domus Sacri Mysteriae) Sodalis is a
splendid one, and certain to ehnance the Religio in our microrespublica. I
am sure all our pontiffs will welcome the idea, provided that ritual
flogging is restricted to initiations and all the activities take place
outside the Pomerium :-).
Vado
Self-appointed spokesperson for the Moral Majority
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| Subject: |
ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem II Idus Aprilis (April 12th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:34:24 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes
This is one of the dies nefasti (N), a day on which no legal action or
public business can take place.
This is the first day of the Cerialia, the festival in honour of Ceres.
Ceres is the Goddess of grain Who feeds the people. To Ceres we offer the
first ears of grain and we sacrifice to Her before the harvest (see Cato's
sacrifice to Ceres at
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/cato_ceres.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/cato_ceres.html</a>).
Ceres is a very ancient Goddess and she has a dedicated Flamen, the Flamen
Cerialis. Nevertheless, in 496 BC, a famine strikes Rome and the Sibylline
Oracles order the Greek cults of Demeter, Iacchus and Kore to be introduced
as Ceres, Liber and Libera (already the names of traditional Roman Gods). In
493 BC the new Temple is dedicated on the Aventine Hill. The public
priestess of the new temple is Greek (probably from Magna Graecia) and the
officiated liturgy is Greek too. The Aediles Plebis care for her temple and
have their official residence in it. They are responsible for the games at
the Cerealia. The Aventine Triad is thus associated to the Plebs.
As such, besides its traditional Roman aspect (as represented by the Flamen
Cerealis), Ceres attains a Greek aspect (represented by the Aventine Triad
and the temple on the Aventine).
The Cerialia celebrate the growth of grain and agricultural products in
general. Initially celebrated on April 19, the festival is enlarged to span
from April 12 to April 19, though the latter continues to be the main day of
the Cerialia. Appropriate sacrifices are wheat grains, salts which crepitate
in the fire, and incense (storax incense as appropriate to Demeter?). In the
lack of incense resin torches are lighted. The sow, sacred to Ceres, is also
sacrificed. The Flamen Cerialis plays certainly a major role officiating the
public sacrifices.
Pax Deorum vobiscum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] BDSM in NR (Was Re: Civis Novus) |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:06:54 EDT |
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In a message dated 4/12/00 9:34:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> writes:
<< The idea of founding a BDSM (Bacchanalis Domus Sacri Mysteriae) Sodalis is
a
splendid one, and certain to ehnance the Religio in our microrespublica. I
am sure all our pontiffs will welcome the idea, provided that ritual
flogging is restricted to initiations and all the activities take place
outside the Pomerium :-). >>
Oh I want in!!!!!
--Dex
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Roman Christians |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:20:33 EDT |
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In a message dated 4/11/00 8:17:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------es:
<< Just as Nova Roma has foresworn conquest, slavery, and oppression of
women's equal rights with men-- >>
Not to also mention banning discrimination on the basis of sexual
orientation...thank you!
--Dexippus
The Flaming Queen of the Capitoline Hill
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] BDSM in NR (Was Re: Civis Novus) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:16:24 +0100 |
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Salvete
>The idea of founding a BDSM (Bacchanalis Domus Sacri Mysteriae) Sodalis is
a
>splendid one, and certain to ehnance the Religio in our microrespublica. I
>am sure all our pontiffs will welcome the idea, provided that ritual
>flogging is restricted to initiations and all the activities take place
>outside the Pomerium :-).
Yes. And provided that the members do not forget that what happenned in 186
BC can happen again in Nova Roma (grin) =).
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Tribes |
| From: |
<--------lass="msghead"> &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=034166250009056116130232203056129208071" &g--------bienus@--------&l--------&g--------td>
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:32:11 US/Central |
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Salvete.
Scripsit Sulla:
> Tribe # - Name of Tribe - Number of Members
..
> 2. Esquilina 1
..
> 32. Oufentina 84
..
>
> Basically, what this reflects is the very low voter turnout. Keep in
> mind, the fewer tribe members the more the votes are skewed. This is
> Republican Rome at work now. I hope that some of our more knowledge
> Roman Scholars can further explain what this means.
I shall endeavor to explain what the above means, using the two tribes shown
above as examples. The thing to keep in mind is that the plurality within a
tribe as a whole, not the individual citizen, votes for or against a given
proposition, or for a given candidate.
So, as an example, let's say that Primus, Secundus, and Tertius are running for
a post. The sole member of Esquilina votes for Primus. 33 members of
Oufentina vote for Primus, 23 for Secundus, and 28 for Tertius. Therefore,
Oufentina votes *as a whole* for Primus. The result is 2 tribes for Primus,
regardless of how many citizens voted for whom.
In other words, each vote cast in Oufentina has the potential to be worth as
little as 1/84th of the vote cast in Esquilina.
> However, we know how to correct this, when our Consuls summon the Comitia
> for voting, VOTE.
Absolutely! The way to remain enfranchised within our system is to vote and
keep voting.
Valete,
T Labienus Fortunatus, quondam rogator
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| Subject: |
'Correct Latin' (Was Latin in the Rites) |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:53:47 PDT |
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Salve Gai Albi Gadelice
Surely long vowels in Latin are/were as subject to regional pronunciation as
in any other language?
I seem to recall that some Latium-born patricians used to snigger at
Vespasianus' rustic Sabine accent (pronouncing 'Plautus' as 'Plotus', for
example). I wonder if the Sabine accent suddenly became respectable when
Vespasianus assumed the purple?
Rather more recently, my experience as a junior priest attending
convocations and episcopal synods exposed me to Latin Catholic liturgy
variously accented by Scandinavian, American (North and South), German,
French, Italian priests etc. My own old parish priest used to say Mass in a
broad (old) Hampshire accent.
Surely in the provinces this was always the case - particularly with those
who were not highly educated and thus had not acquired a 'correct' RP
(Received Pronunciation)accent?
As a semi-educated provincial, I stand up for our right to continue this
pleasant (and authentically traditional) idiosyncracy. Here in Clausentum,
for example, we pronounce our 'V's as 'V's, not as 'U's (a late Roman use
fairly common to north western Europe). This leads me to consider, from a
reconstructionist aspect, another contradiction: eben RP accents change over
time, and so 'correct' pronunciation is relative both spatially and
temporally. In any case, can we infer what Cicero (an obvious hypothetical
choice of model for standardisation) sounded like?
Bene vale,
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem II Idus Aprilis (April 12th) |
| From: |
"Augusti--------ulia Caesaria Noctur--------#34; <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=091176219007018031015158190036129" >--------la@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:58:55 +0100 |
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Salvete Omnes!
Thank you for the information Graecus!
There is one matter that this post has brought up.
One look at the calendar on the website shows that it is terribly out of
date.
How are we to plan our days with it?
Should the Pontifices not produce a new one each year and make sure that it
is put up on the site?
It would make things a LOT easier!
Gratias et Valete!
Noct'a
------------------------------------------------
Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Materfamilias of the British gens Iulia Caesaria
etc, etc, etc
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From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>; <a href="mailto:religioromana@--------" >religioromana@--------</a>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 2:34 PM
Subject: [novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem II Idus Aprilis (April
12th)
> Salvete omnes
>
> This is one of the dies nefasti (N), a day on which no legal action or
> public business can take place.
>
> This is the first day of the Cerialia, the festival in honour of Ceres.
> Ceres is the Goddess of grain Who feeds the people. To Ceres we offer the
> first ears of grain and we sacrifice to Her before the harvest (see Cato's
> sacrifice to Ceres at
> <a href="http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/cato_ceres.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/cato_ceres.html</a>).
> Ceres is a very ancient Goddess and she has a dedicated Flamen, the Flamen
> Cerialis. Nevertheless, in 496 BC, a famine strikes Rome and the Sibylline
> Oracles order the Greek cults of Demeter, Iacchus and Kore to be
introduced
> as Ceres, Liber and Libera (already the names of traditional Roman Gods).
In
> 493 BC the new Temple is dedicated on the Aventine Hill. The public
> priestess of the new temple is Greek (probably from Magna Graecia) and the
> officiated liturgy is Greek too. The Aediles Plebis care for her temple
and
> have their official residence in it. They are responsible for the games at
> the Cerealia. The Aventine Triad is thus associated to the Plebs.
> As such, besides its traditional Roman aspect (as represented by the
Flamen
> Cerealis), Ceres attains a Greek aspect (represented by the Aventine Triad
> and the temple on the Aventine).
> The Cerialia celebrate the growth of grain and agricultural products in
> general. Initially celebrated on April 19, the festival is enlarged to
span
> from April 12 to April 19, though the latter continues to be the main day
of
> the Cerialia. Appropriate sacrifices are wheat grains, salts which
crepitate
> in the fire, and incense (storax incense as appropriate to Demeter?). In
the
> lack of incense resin torches are lighted. The sow, sacred to Ceres, is
also
> sacrificed. The Flamen Cerialis plays certainly a major role officiating
the
> public sacrifices.
>
> Pax Deorum vobiscum
>
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> Pontifex
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem II Idus Aprilis (April 12th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:10:26 +0100 |
|
Salvete Augustina et al
>There is one matter that this post has brought up.
>One look at the calendar on the website shows that it is terribly out of
>date.
>How are we to plan our days with it?
>Should the Pontifices not produce a new one each year and make sure that it
>is put up on the site?
The Collegium Pontificum has been making an effort of research and is now
starting to gather the knowledge on important details of the Religio. The
postings I've been sending have still some flaws and I hope that next year,
after even more study, I can write a 2nd version. This 2nd version shall be
added to the website day-by-day at the same time it will be posted to the
mailing lists. So I hope that within one year we start to have the most
complete Roman calendar on the Internet, and one that our cives can use for
their daily religious or public practice.
Moveable feasts, the quinquenal cycle, the secular cycle, even the dates of
the Imperial (!!) cult shall be included.
In my opinion, before calling the attention of the Pontifices what is not
completed, we should praise the Collegium Pontificum for what is starting to
be done as an improvement in relation to the recent past.
On the other hand, you can always count on the Pontifices to answer your
questions and clarify any doubts about Gods, religious dates, calendar, etc.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem II Idus Aprilis (April 12th) |
| From: |
"Augusti--------ulia Caesaria Noctur--------#34; <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=091176219007018031015158190036129" >--------la@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:27:47 +0100 |
|
Salve Graecus et al!
A wonderful reply and, of course, I do praise the Pontifices for their work
done, you are all doing a great job!
I was just wondering when the calendar was going to be finished :)
As for the Imperial Cult days... I am assuming you mean things like the
Deification of Divvs Augustus which I called for a year or so ago?
Gratias Graecus!
Noct'a
------------------------------------------------
Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Materfamilias of the British gens Iulia Caesaria
etc, etc, etc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem II Idus Aprilis
(April 12th)
> Salvete Augustina et al
>
> >There is one matter that this post has brought up.
> >One look at the calendar on the website shows that it is terribly out of
> >date.
> >How are we to plan our days with it?
> >Should the Pontifices not produce a new one each year and make sure that
it
> >is put up on the site?
> The Collegium Pontificum has been making an effort of research and is now
> starting to gather the knowledge on important details of the Religio. The
> postings I've been sending have still some flaws and I hope that next
year,
> after even more study, I can write a 2nd version. This 2nd version shall
be
> added to the website day-by-day at the same time it will be posted to the
> mailing lists. So I hope that within one year we start to have the most
> complete Roman calendar on the Internet, and one that our cives can use
for
> their daily religious or public practice.
> Moveable feasts, the quinquenal cycle, the secular cycle, even the dates
of
> the Imperial (!!) cult shall be included.
> In my opinion, before calling the attention of the Pontifices what is not
> completed, we should praise the Collegium Pontificum for what is starting
to
> be done as an improvement in relation to the recent past.
> On the other hand, you can always count on the Pontifices to answer your
> questions and clarify any doubts about Gods, religious dates, calendar,
etc.
>
> Valete
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> Pontifex
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem II Idus Aprilis (April 12th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:28:19 +0100 |
|
Salve Augustina
>As for the Imperial Cult days... I am assuming you mean things like the
>Deification of Divvs Augustus which I called for a year or so ago?
Exactly. The aniversary of the Divi, deification, triumphs, etc.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
|
| Subject: |
Re: To all Governors |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:44:49 -0400 |
|
Salvete Quinte Sertori et alii
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Misunderstandings happen pretty
frequently in an environment where e-mail is the main medium of
communication. I think that you have acted rightly to clarify your
intentions.
>My name is Quintus Sertorius, and I believe I have made a mistake. When I
>saw the email from the Censor to all governors, I did not read it properly.
>I thought it was a request for information dealing with the provincia.
That's what it was, wasn't it?
As
>there is no governor for Canada Occidentalis, I wanted to ensure that what
I
>thought was requested information, would be passed on. I did not want the
>email addresses of all the citizens in Canada Occidentalis(though that
would
>help me to organize).
Right, I don't recall your requesting any information at all. You merely
pointed out which Canadian provinces coincided with the NR provincia of
Canada Occidentalis.
I only learned of my mistake when I returned from work
>at 2a.m. and saw the posted messages. At first I laughed at my oversite,
but
>than I thought that this may be taken the wrong way. If I have given the
>impression that I have tried to place myself above my station, I am truly
>sorry.
I for one don't hold it against you. I don't think that others will either.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
|
| Subject: |
Vocative Pedantry |
| From: |
"Adrianus Arius Acadianus Draco" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045015192254056209050218001036129208" >jhebert@--------&--------a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:40:40 -0000 |
|
Salve Gai Mari, et salvete omnes,
Gaius Marius' post scriptum regarding the Vocative led me to do a
little research last night. Whether the medial "i" in "Gaius" is
consonantal or semi-vocalic is linguistic trivia indeed, but like
Gaius I wondered why its phonological value doesn't affect the vowel
of the Vocative ending. To put everyone's mind at rest on the matter
(I'm confident that at _some_ folks other than me lost sleep over
this question), I found the following:
According to Gildersleeve (memoria sit aeterna!), in the Third
Edition to his [painfully] comprehensive Latin Grammar, at paragraph
33.2 it is stated: *Proper Names* ending in -ius take -i (that's "i"
with a macron, Gaius) in the Vocative without, however, affecting the
accent. (I infer from this that ALL Proper Names are so declined --
otherwise Gildersleeve would have put in a footnote ... a detailed
footnote.) He further notes that "filius" and "genius" also follow
this rule.
As a further note, in Ecclesiatical Latin (based on another source),
the Nominative sometimes (but by no means generally) was substituted
for the Vocative. However, for the words "deus" and "agnus," the
source continues, the Nominative was *always* used. (This may
address in part the posting by Q. Fabius.)
Finally, according to the Great G, in "solemn speech," the Nominative
was preferred over the Vocative, according to Classical usage. Now,
if anyone can come up with a credible definition for "solemn speech,"
I believe the Vocative Question will be resolved once for all.
Valete omnes,
Acadianus Draco
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| Subject: |
Re: Tribes |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:49:32 -0400 |
|
Salvete Censor Luci Corneli et alii
Just a minor comment on the classification of the tribes:
The rural tribes are the 31 "main" tribes, composed of those who voted; the
urban tribes are the 4 reserved for those who did not vote. The details of
this distinction are explained in the law "Lex Vedia Tributorum" which is
viewable at <a href="http://novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99073002.html" target="_top" >http://novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99073002.html</a>
Valete
C Marius Merullus
>At Nova Roma, in compliance with the Constitution, we now have 35
>Tribes. 31 of them are Urban Tribes, and 4 of them Rural Tribes
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem II Idus Aprilis (April 12th) |
| From: |
"Augusti--------ulia Caesaria Noctur--------#34; <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=091176219007018031015158190036129" >--------la@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:59:37 +0100 |
|
Salve Graecus!
If the 'Imperial Cult' is having days on the calendar are the days of having
Priests for the Cult officially recognised by NR coming too?
Vale
Noct'a
------------------------------------------------
Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Materfamilias of the British gens Iulia Caesaria
etc, etc, etc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem II Idus Aprilis
(April 12th)
> Salve Augustina
>
> >As for the Imperial Cult days... I am assuming you mean things like the
> >Deification of Divvs Augustus which I called for a year or so ago?
> Exactly. The aniversary of the Divi, deification, triumphs, etc.
>
> Vale
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> Pontifex
>
>
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| Subject: |
Aedilis curulis was Re: Camenaeum |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:05:11 -0400 |
|
Salvete Iuli Titini et alii
There are different answers to this question. The constitution, or Ius
Publicum Novae Romae as I like to call it, in Article IV A 4 (don't blame me
for the arabic numerals, they weren't my idea :)) says
"Aediles Curules (Curule Aedile). Two curule aediles shall be elected by the
comitia populi tributa to serve a term lasting one-year. They shall have the
following honors, powers, and obligations:
To hold Imperium;
To issue those edicta (edicts) necessary to see to the conduct of public
games and other festivals and gatherings, to ensure order at public
religious events, to see to the maintenance of any real public facilities
that the State should acquire, and to administer the law (such edicts being
binding upon themselves as well as others);
To pronounce intercessio against another aedile (curule or plebeian) or
magistrate of lesser authority;
To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and other tasks,
as he shall see fit."
But, one can interpret this (like most everything else) in different ways.
Q Fabius, currently consul, served in this office last year and emphasized
the entertainment aspect. He participated in conducting the Ludi
Apollinares, organized an online role-playing-game, and held various online
events (including at least a couple of simulated gladiatoral combats).
These events were not only a lot of fun, but also opportunities for us to
come together (sometimes coinciding with holidays) to interact and
acknowlegde deities to whom the days were sacred. There have been other
aediles curules who emphasized different activities.
It depends as much, or more, on personal inclinations and initiative as on
the constitutional guidelines, what a magistrate chooses to do in office.
We are new enough that some officeholders are still defining the purposes
and scope of some of the offices.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
>
>What does the curule aedile do?
>
>Vale
>
>Iulius Titinius Antonius
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem II Idus Aprilis (April 12th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:06:58 +0100 |
|
Salve Augustina
>If the 'Imperial Cult' is having days on the calendar are the days of
having
>Priests for the Cult officially recognised by NR coming too?
Tha dates will be in the beginning informative only. Nevertheless, the
Imperial cult is an issue that I have already raised privately with my
coleagues of the Collegium Pontificum. The priests of the Imperial cult
would be included in a new Collegium. But this was still not debated
officially by the Collegium Pontificum. Nevertheless, a priesthood
application would surely force such a debate.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: To all Governors |
| From: |
"Qu--------s Sertor--------#34; <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123075020254193194170038203026129208071" >gu--------he@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:28:50 -0500 |
|
12 April 2000
Thank you very much for the wise words, they go a long way to repairing the
damage I caused my dignitas. In the future I shall cover all email throughly
before responding.
Quintus Sertorius
Citizen
Nova Roma
Salvete Quinte Sertori et alii
I wouldn't worry too much about it. Misunderstandings happen pretty
frequently in an environment where e-mail is the main medium of
communication. I think that you have acted rightly to clarify your
intentions.
I for one don't hold it against you. I don't think that others will either.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
|
| Subject: |
Trip to the West Coast |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 13:26:06 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salvete, Citizens of Nova Roma;
I will be leaving shortly for a vacation. I will not be available on
the net until the 25th of April.
For the duration of the period 13 April, 2000 to 25 April, 2000 I give
my Senate vote in Proxy to my Colleague Gaius Marius Merrullus to use as
he shall see fit, Since both he and I agree on much of what occurs in
Nova Roma, I feel that this issueance of Proxy will benefit Nova Roma.
Senior Consul Q. Fabius Maximus has agreed to hold the Fasces during the
month of April, and I will work closely with him regarding any efforts
of the Senate overlapping the months of April and May.
I would ask that the Senior Consul contact Senator Gaius Marius
Merrullus for any last minute items to include on the Senate Agenda
should it be called for before I return. I am particularly anxious that
the Proposal for the Outreach Sodalitas be put before the Senate for
their consideration, as well as the Standardization for the Creation of
Provinces which both Senator Merrullus and the Senior Consul have been
in discussion with me upon.
I thank you all most sincerely for your very, very, kind attention to my
recent illness, your patience during my recovery and you best wishes for
this vacation which my lovely wife has provided for me. I feel myself a
lucky person to have such good friends, and I will remember all in my
thoughts and prayers during this holiday.
Valete, With Respect and Humility;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Consul et Senator
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] To all Governors |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:46:17 EDT |
|
Salve Quintus Sertorius,
Sending in the information for the Canada Occidentalis provincia in order to
help Nova Roma continue to function smoothly was an honorable intention.
Because you are willing to help Nova Roma, and because there is no current
Govenor of the provincia, you should consider campaigning for the office.
Vale
Iulius Titinius Antonius
(Formerly: Iulius Thompsonus)
Faber est suae quisque fortunae.
<< My name is Quintus Sertorius, and I believe I have made a mistake. When I
saw the email from the Censor to all governors, I did not read it properly.
I thought it was a request for information dealing with the provincia. As
there is no governor for Canada Occidentalis, I wanted to ensure that what I
thought was requested information, would be passed on. I did not want the
email addresses of all the citizens in Canada Occidentalis(though that would
help me to organize). I only learned of my mistake when I returned from work
at 2a.m. and saw the posted messages. At first I laughed at my oversite, but
than I thought that this may be taken the wrong way. If I have given the
impression that I have tried to place myself above my station, I am truly
sorry. As I live my life following the Roman virtues, I feel I have hurt my
dignitas, and I only hope the Citizens of Nova Roma will not think poorly of
me. Again, I am profoundly sorry for my oversite.
Quintus Sertorius
Citizen
Nova Roma
>>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Tribes |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:31:38 -0700 |
|
Salve
I knew that......see thats what happens when you are up all nite (til 6 am)
sorting out all 300 voter codes, of the citizens that didnt vote.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
RMerullo wrote:
> Salvete Censor Luci Corneli et alii
>
> Just a minor comment on the classification of the tribes:
>
> The rural tribes are the 31 "main" tribes, composed of those who voted; the
> urban tribes are the 4 reserved for those who did not vote. The details of
> this distinction are explained in the law "Lex Vedia Tributorum" which is
> viewable at <a href="http://novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99073002.html" target="_top" >http://novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99073002.html</a>
>
> Valete
>
> C Marius Merullus
>
> >At Nova Roma, in compliance with the Constitution, we now have 35
> >Tribes. 31 of them are Urban Tribes, and 4 of them Rural Tribes
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Tribes |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 14:54:36 EDT |
|
Salve My Friend Sulla et ali.
<< VOTE. >>
When I first joined Nova Roma in December I was unfortunate enough to join
after the December votes had already begun. Hence missed most of, if any, of
the campaigning. I read emails comming through the onelist (now egroups?)
and was helped somewhat in choosing my votes. I did however take time to
consider each vote and voted for what I believed would be best for Nova Roma.
I encourage all citizens to vote, as this is your most important right and
obligation in the republic.
Vale
Iulius Titinius Antonius
Post Scriptum: What tribe am I in?
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| Subject: |
Re: 'Correct Latin' (Was Latin in the Rites) |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 12 Apr 2000 17:10:33 -0400 |
|
Salvete Nicolaue Moravi et alii
Now that we know that I was wrong about Gaie, I wonder again about Nicolaue.
I would appreciate a correction on that if anyone has it.
>
>Surely long vowels in Latin are/were as subject to regional pronunciation
as
>in any other language?
Must have been. In the absence of broadcast media and schools as we know
them, every aspect of the language must have been subject to lots of
regional, ethnic and socioeconomic variation. While English, Spanish and
other modern languages have lots of variation, Latin must have had much,
much more of it, all the more as time went on and the language was spoken
over a broader territory.
Still, there is an argument for standardization -- common intelligibility.
It's not too relevant (in terms of pronunciation) at this stage, when we are
all writing to each other rather than speaking. But, we'll hopefully have
more and more occasions to see each other and communicate in our various
spoken languages, including someday maybe
Latin..............................
Ooops. someone must have splashed water in my face, I'm awake again. Sorry
about that.
>
>
>Rather more recently, my experience as a junior priest attending
>convocations and episcopal synods exposed me to Latin Catholic liturgy
>variously accented by Scandinavian, American (North and South), German,
>French, Italian priests etc. My own old parish priest used to say Mass in a
>broad (old) Hampshire accent.
I got a few laughs in Uxbridge, Mass. last year simply by pronouncing a few
peoples' names the way that I pronounce Latin. I use rules of pronunciation
that I learned years ago. I certainly can't prove that they're "right"
(whatever that means, especially in light of the variation that you
mention). But I can tell you that the rules seem reasonable to me. Instead
of mimicking English pronunciation rules (whatever those are, silly rules
that mismatch phonetics and orthography constantly), the rules are based on
comparison of Latin and Greek common roots, and diachronic transformation of
words as Latin became Romance languages. So, the sound is something like
Italian or Spanish with a lot more hard consonants.
>
>As a semi-educated provincial, I stand up for our right to continue this
>pleasant (and authentically traditional) idiosyncracy. Here in Clausentum,
>for example, we pronounce our 'V's as 'V's, not as 'U's (a late Roman use
>fairly common to north western Europe).
O Vado! Don't tell me that you pronounce the v in Latin vinum like the v in
English vine! I refuse to play croquet with the golden apples of the
Hesperides for even a mere decade with you if you persist in this.
This leads me to consider, from a
>reconstructionist aspect, another contradiction: eben RP accents change
over
>time, and so 'correct' pronunciation is relative both spatially and
>temporally. In any case, can we infer what Cicero (an obvious hypothetical
>choice of model for standardisation) sounded like?
I infer that he sounded snooty :).
I am sure that any Roman, from whatever province or period, would giggle at
my pronunciation, just like they did in Uxbridge. But I cannot, and shall
not, pronounce Latin as though it were English. Yuck!
>
Valete
C Marius Merullus
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