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Re: [novaroma] Homer's the Iliad and The Odyssey |
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Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:15:03 EDT |
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In --------ss--------d-------- 4/18/00 2:26:40 PM PST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246243113180119209184102159248147208071048" >St--------eck@--------</--------; writes:
<< (and Star Trek: Vulcans Forge, but that has nothing to do with it LOL) >>
Salve Iulius Titinus Antonius!
I wanted so bad to get Vulcan's Forge, and I was sooo dissapointed! My
favourite Star Trek novel is probably Federation.
Anyway, Festus, about Homer being an Atheist... hmph, his works are the
greatest religious works of all time... In my opinion.
Drusus Cornelius Claudius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Homer's the Iliad and The Odyssey |
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| Date: |
Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:48:26 EDT |
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In a message dated 4/18/00 8:26:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------; writes:
<< I wanted so bad to get Vulcan's Forge, and I was sooo dissapointed! >>
I got the book from B. Dalton Booksellers for $3; Hardback Edition.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Homer's the Iliad and The Odyssey |
| From: |
"Jeffrey L. Graham" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045056047121127198187242109140244253188098030046209130" >--------reygraham@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:17:26 +0000 |
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On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 20:15:03 EDT <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------; writes:
> In --------ss--------d-------- 4/18/00 2:26:40 PM PST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246243113180119209184102159248147208071048" >St--------eck@--------</--------; writes:
> My
> favourite Star Trek novel is probably Federation.
>
>
Planet X is my favorite, also Black Fire, The Abode of Life and the
Bantam Star trek novel Mudd's Enterprise (Harry Mudd hijacks the
enterprise and destroys the Small Magellan Cloud)
ICQ # 55638228
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Homer's the Iliad and The Odyssey |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:00:49 EDT |
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Salve Tacitus,
The audio cassettes I have do not come with a booklet saying what
percentage of material has been left out. They all {Illiad, Odyssey, Aeneid}
have "abridged" on the boxes. Still, with 6 cassettes totalling 9 hours for
each work, I am guessing that abridgement is slight. Still, I do not know
for certain.
Festus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Homer's the Iliad and The Odyssey |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:05:20 EDT |
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In a message dated 4/18/00 8:15:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------; writes:
<< Anyway, Festus, about Homer being an Atheist... hmph, his works are the
greatest religious works of all time... In my opinion. >>
Salve Drusus,
I would be interested in reading why you think so. Unable to read Homer with
much enjoyment, it is difficult for me to consider this author as truely
"great", though this is not the verdict of all of Western Civilization since
Homer's time.
I guess I do not have a poetic soul! But even if Homer had composed his
works in prose, I doubt I would be much more moved. What is it about the
Illiad that you find so stiring?
Gaius Lupinius Festus
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| Subject: |
Homer & Festus |
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| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:21:48 EDT |
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Salvete Cives, et salve Feste Nobilis (quem adoro sicut fratrem iuniorem
nunquam quem volui!), :o)
It appears that the Immortal Homer's art is now up for target practice.
There's a passage from the Odyssey which I enjoy and which I think may apply
to many of us wanderers who have, by chance or Fate, stumbled upon the
hospitality and rejuvenation of spirit which is Nova Roma:
"Stranger, there is no quirk or evil in you
that I can see. You know Zeus metes out fortune
to good and bad men as it pleases him.
Hardship he sent to you, and you must bear it.
But now that you have taken refuge here
you shall not lack for clothing, or any other
comfort due to a poor man in distress."
Like Odysseus, I feel like rather a stranger long storm-tossed who has at
last, in Nova Roma, found a gentle and amiable haven. Perhaps the art and
wisdom of Homer are there if we choose to look deeply enough into his work,
and into ourselves. Nonne?
Valete omnes,
Acadianus Draco
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Homer's the Iliad and The Odyssey |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114056113185089095081021203102129208071" >dean6886@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 18 Apr 2000 23:26:21 -0500 (CDT) |
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Oddly enough only a couple of days ago I bought a copy of the Odyssey
from Barnes and Noble. I had read it many years ago- maybe 1985ish and
for a hardcover $6 copy I needed to buy it.
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Homer & Festus |
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<--------lass="msghead"> &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=132056219182127132169218031036129208" &g--------curia@--------&l--------&g--------td>
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Wed, 19 Apr 2000 00:16:37 -0500 |
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Salve me amice!
De Homero
Magister sapientissimus et fortissimus summa cum mente semper dicis.
Homerus bonus auctor est.
Rufa
Miles Romae
Ferrum Romae fero.
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>From: <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=243158113150082031172168000208172253098145044009209130152" >--------i--------dr----------------</--------;
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Homer & Festus
>Date: Tue, Apr 18, 2000, 11:21 PM
>
> Salvete Cives, et salve Feste Nobilis (quem adoro sicut fratrem iuniorem
> nunquam quem volui!), :o)
>
> It appears that the Immortal Homer's art is now up for target practice.
> There's a passage from the Odyssey which I enjoy and which I think may apply
> to many of us wanderers who have, by chance or Fate, stumbled upon the
> hospitality and rejuvenation of spirit which is Nova Roma:
>
> "Stranger, there is no quirk or evil in you
> that I can see. You know Zeus metes out fortune
> to good and bad men as it pleases him.
> Hardship he sent to you, and you must bear it.
> But now that you have taken refuge here
> you shall not lack for clothing, or any other
> comfort due to a poor man in distress."
>
> Like Odysseus, I feel like rather a stranger long storm-tossed who has at
> last, in Nova Roma, found a gentle and amiable haven. Perhaps the art and
> wisdom of Homer are there if we choose to look deeply enough into his work,
> and into ourselves. Nonne?
>
> Valete omnes,
> Acadianus Draco
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| Subject: |
Rufa Miles et "Tormentrix" |
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| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 01:30:27 EDT |
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Salve Rufa!
Gratias humiliter plurimas tibi ago. Latina tua melior magnopere facta est!
Hodie, Caesar! Cras, Winnie Ille Pu! :o)
Vale, Amica Fidelis!
Ac.Draco
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| Subject: |
Civis nondum, sed... |
| From: |
Guido Costantini <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230128180163056135105082190036" >--------e@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:15:38 +0200 |
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...considering it. But since I joined the mailing list I thought a little
presentation woul dhave been a polite thing to do, even should I keep
lurking for a while to realize what it is all about (even if the site of
nova roma is pretty well done and answers many questions, my compliments).
Anyway, I'm a law student (with quite a lot of roman law exams done) living
in Italy... guess where? Exactly in Rome.
Having a mother teaching classical languanges (Latin and ancient greek), my
first goodnite stories have been all the classical miths (well, besides the
too cruent ones).
Done classical studies, which means I've studied latin and ancient greek
for 5 years (I can read latin fairly good, writing it will be a problem
due that fact is years now I do not try it.. I used to speak it in high
schools as a game... about greek.. well, it's long forgotten, I'm afraid,
it's nothing that sticks in your mind if you don't practice it every day)
and read the Iliad, the Odyssy, the Aeneid and most of the classicals like
Xhenophont, Lisia, Plato, most of the greek poets (or what is left of
them), Tucidides, Cicero, Ovid, Catullus and so on.
Stumbled by pure accident in the nova roma site and got somehow charmed, so
here I am... And, well, I think that will be it for now... let me finish
with a quote
alme Sol, curru nitido diem qui
promis et celas aliusque et idem
nasceris, possis nihil urbe Roma
visere maius.
Valete
GC
PS
Wondering... is there a gens active in Rome? I know there is the provincia
Italia, but? If the governor is checking, I'd like some infos...
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| Subject: |
ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem XIII Kalendas Mai (April 19th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:19:14 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes
This is a dies nefastus publicus (NP), a day for special religious
observance on which no legal action or public business can take place.
This is the last and culminating day of the festival of Ceres, the Cerialia.
I remind that Ceres is the Goddess of grain Who feeds the people of Roma. To
Ceres we offer the first ears of grain and we sacrifice to Her before the
harvest (see Cato's
sacrifice to Ceres at
<a href="http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/cato_ceres.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/cato_ceres.html</a>).
Before the festival was extended to begin on April 12, this was the only day
of the festival. Today, public games are held at the Circus Maxumus,
consisting of chariot races presided by the Aediles Plebis. In order to
colour the games, foxes with burning torches attached to their back are let
loose in the Circus Maximus.
Also, do not forget that this month is sacred to Venus.
Pax Deorum vobiscum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Homer's the Iliad and The Odyssey |
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| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:55:28 EDT |
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In a message dated 4/18/00 6:26:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246243113180119209184102159248147208071048" >St--------eck@--------</--------; writes:
<< And I've never read the Iliad. Does anyone recommend a
company to buy "The Aeneid" by Vergil? Well I'm off to go read my books. >>
I recently purchased "The Iliad", "The Odyssey", and "The Aeneid" from
Amazon.com. I'm very happy with them.
--Dex
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| Subject: |
Lamest Roman Joke? |
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| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:01:30 EDT |
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This morning, while half asleep, I thought up what has to be a top contender
for the lamest Roman joke ever. Naturally I have to post it, even at a
considerable loss of Dignitas... :P
**************
There was once a young senatorial class Roman who was very shy. He had a
terrible time making acquaintances, and knew this would be a real problem if
he wanted to have a political career. In desperation he sought out the local
herbalist; an old woman who ran a stall at the very edge of the forum.
After a few awkward moments he finally blurted out, "I'm very shy and need a
potion to help me be better around people. Can you help me?"
The old woman smiled and nodded. She went to the back of her stall and began
to rummage through clay pots and mix things together. Finally she turned back
to the young man, and handed him a newly filled jar.
"Here", she said, "Just use this and you'll have no trouble meeting new
friends."
He sniffed it dubiously, with one eyebrow raised.
"Is this an ointment?"
"No", she replied, it's a Salve."
**************
Ducking for cover,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Fw: The Aeneid |
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| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:12:44 -0400 |
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Salvete,
The Odyssey and the Aeneid are both available in unabridged versions. So far I have not been able to find the Illiad in an unabridged version. I have the Odyssey and will get the Aeneid soon. I recommend it while sitting in a very warm bath while your slave/tape player :-) recites! Very relaxing.
Bonam Fortunam
Valete, Lucius Equitius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Lamest Roman Joke? |
| From: |
"Tinnekke Bebout" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189176234185056182213038203004129208071" >tinnekke@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:31:32 GMT |
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Lucina Iunia Cypria groans loudly and pelts Marcus Cassius Iulianus with all
the marshmallow peeps that she has been given this past week. "That joke was
terrible!"
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| Subject: |
Re: Lamest Roman Joke? |
| From: |
"S--------dan/ Hibernicus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:02:38 -0000 |
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Q: What do you call a dead Gaul on the Via Appia?
A: Road Celt.
Q: Why did the Roman cross the road?
A: To discourage the slaves from revolting again.
Gaius Valerius Tacitus Hibernicus
Centurio, Legio IX Hispana
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| Subject: |
Re: Lamest Roman Joke? |
| From: |
Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:41:26 -0500 (CDT) |
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And then there's this little number, the first thing I ever posted to
an Internet newsgroup (back in the Bronze Age)...
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=081176235078158192015171190036129" >villam@--------</a> (villarroel maria)
Newsgroups: alt.test
Subject: 3242: The Romans Are Coming!!
Date: 11 Jul 1995 01:44:28 GMT
Lines: 19
Testing...unum, duo, tres...
There have recently been numerous sightings of Roman Legionaries in and
around the Bay Area. They have been encountered on AC Transit buses,
BART trains, local college campuses, and, in one unfortunate incident,
on the High Street Bridge going into Alameda. (The soldier in
question, one Horatius, was holding the bridge against all comers.)
Local reaction has been mixed. The Christian Right is in an uproar,
due to the Romans' pagan beliefs and alleged involvement in the
infamous Calvary Incident. However, the Legionaries (known
affectionately as "Marius' Mules" for their carrying capacity) have
become quite popular with local roadworkers and survey teams.
Apparently they are hiring themselves out as engineers, carpenters,
laborers, freelance security, Latin tutors and Western Civ
study-buddies. At least one of them is rumored to have hit the lecture
circuit.
More on this as it develops...
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Lucius Marius Fimbria / Legio VI Victrix |>[SPQR]<|
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |\=/|
Storyteller, Roleplayer Emeritus, ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
Historical Re-Creationist, `\*/, `` }`^~`,,, \ \
and Citizen of Rome ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
'Just a-hangin' around the Universe, | | / )\ \| /
bein' a Roman...it's hard work, but _|_| / _/_| /`(
*somebody's* gotta do it!!' /./..=' /./..'
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| Subject: |
Re: Lamest Roman Joke? |
| From: |
Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:41:59 -0500 (CDT) |
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Salvete!
Just to show ya's I'm not *always* an old sourpuss...
A guy in a toga walks into a bar. He says to the bartender, "I'll have
a martinus, please."
The bartender says, "Err, don't you mean 'martini'?"
The Roman's reply: "Sir, if I wanted two or more of them I'd have said
so!"
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Lucius Marius Fimbria / Legio VI Victrix |>[SPQR]<|
(Silly Roman--Trix are for Kids!)
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Latin |
| From: |
"Doug Barr" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114015211254158209218218186036129208" >dhkbarr@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:42:28 -0700 |
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Salvete Omnes Cives!
Dixit C. Aelius Ericius:
I wish to laud your efforts in clarifying the murky waters of
Nova Roma Latin. I have decided to finally chime in on the matter
of accentuation notations. I hope you do not think me an utter
negativist for saying that it is my belief that not notations
should be used in our texts.
Dico G. Albius Gadelicus:
Thank you! I agree whole-heartedly that learning by ear is definitely the
best way to go -- I also know, however, that not everyone has immediate
access to tapes. The reason I prefer accentuated texts is that (a) it helps
to know which syllable is stressed, and (b) it differentiates certain case
(and other) forms that would otherwise be ambiguous to beginners. There is a
lot of difference between "occidō" and "occīdō," for example! And really, if
you find the accent on the long vowels confusing, ignoring it is always an
option.
And to clarify: the metrical font is great -- thank you, C Cordius
Symmachus! -- but I wasn't thinking of that, useful *for certain purposes*
as marking every vowel (short unstressed, short stressed, long unstressed,
long stressed) might be. That *would* be entirely overwhelming. I was simply
offering to indicate the long vowels, no more.
Dixit C. Aelius Ericius:
Eventually Nova Romans will be meeting more often and,
hopefully, using "some" Latin. From the Latin I have heard from
some of our fellow citizens over these short years I can assure
you that the problem has not been noting the accentuation. Not
at all. LOL =({[;-) And the inability to recognize the words was
not that my ear and brain were not set to "Latin".
Dico G. Albius Gadelicus:
I really hope someday to meet other Nova Romans, and definitely using Latin
will be a part of that. The Pagan community I know of here in Vancouver is
extremely Wiccan and has some "issues" with Rome and things Roman, so I'm
pretty much out on a limb here for the moment. But I'm really liking the
bits I'm learning about the religio, and I'm *loving* studying Latin.
Dixit C. Aelius Ericius:
What the Nova Roma Latin sites need is to be proofed by someone
who knows Latin in order to correct the errors in basic grammar,
as well as typing. Such as -- is it "quod bonum faustum, felix,
fortunatem"?
or "quod bonum faustum, felictatem, fortunatem"?
or is it flawed. This is the direction I believe would be very
helpful to spreading Latin literacy.
Dico G. Albius Gadelicus.:
That one I'm not sure of: I *think* that the words "bonus, faustus, felix,
fortunatus, salutare" are being used as adjectives qualifying a neuter
nominative singular noun that has been elided, not as nouns. Someone help me
out here.
Some comments about the Latin, by the way, were part of the impertinent
comments I made to the Pontifex Maximus. While I have withdrawn them for the
nonce, as unbecoming to a new citizen, I would still like to question on the
list some of the Latin forms I find, on the Nova Roma site and elsewhere as
well, among the doubtless many people here who are much better Latinists
than I.
If I'm wrong in my questions, so much the better: that's how I learn, nonne?
As to my *own* pronunciation, I go for what linguists call "maximum
contrast" -- my long vowels are long and "close," my short vowels are short
and "open." I pronounce "c" and "g" hard *always* (the word "gens" takes a
little getting used to) and my "v" is a "bilabial" in linguists' jargon:
like a Spanish "b/v" (in the middle of words) or a Sanskrit/Hindi "v/w": a
"v" pronounced with lower lip to upper lip, not lower lip to upper teeth as
in English. Also my "t,d,n" are dental, pronounced on the back of the upper
teeth instead of on the gum behind the upper teeth as in English. (Nova
Romans whose first language is a Romance language won't understand the need
to specify this, their "t,d,n" is naturally dental already). It sounds much
like Italian, though "dryer" (because it lacks the sounds of "ch," "j," "z")
and with more consonant combinations and a rolling quality from the long
vowels.
Dixit C. Aelius Ericius:
I believe Nova Roma Latin should try to use the /v/ sound
for the "v" letter. As someone pointed out near the beginning
of this endeavor, pronouncing the "v" in the Ciceronian /w/ way
made the name of our organization sound as though one were
talking about a thing that is without scent. --|([;-)
Dico G. Albius Gadelicus:
Thank you *very* much for nearly making me spew coffee all over my keyboard.
:) I do see your point, though.
To the list:
I'll be far away from my computer for the next five days, I'm going to a
festival called Spring Mysteries that attempts to recreate the Eleusinian
Mysteries (I have a bit part in the ritual drama). So I'm off to hang with
crazy Pagans and commune with trees and deer and eagles on the coast of
Washington state: I cannot *wait*!
Valete omnes and I'll see (?) you all when I get back.
G. Albius Gadelicus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Homer's the Iliad and The Odyssey |
| From: |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:35:55 +0100 |
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Salve Iuli Titini:
Which translation of Homer did you get? For me, Prof. Richmond Lattimore's
English hexametric blank verse translations are the best - the man was a
poet as well as an academic. He did an equally good job on Hesiod's
'Theogonia', too...
Sorry, no idea of a good translation of 'The Aeneid'. I can't say I like
Vergilius Maro half as well as I like Homer. Too political and
nationalistic - and spurious.
Live long and prosper,
Vado.
> Salve Ancient Literature Lovers of Nova Roma,
>
> I recently purchased Hardback Editions of Homer's The Odyssey and The
Iliad
> (and Star Trek: Vulcans Forge, but that has nothing to do with it LOL)
from
> Barnes & Noble Classics Publishing.
>
> Years ago I read a transcript of the Odyssey that was turned into a Play,
but
> I've always wanted to read the Original Epic Poem (after its been
translated
> into English). And I've never read the Iliad. Does anyone recommend a
> company to buy "The Aeneid" by Vergil? Well I'm off to go read my books.
>
> Vale
>
> Iulius Titinius Antonius
>
> Faber est suae quisque fortunae.
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Homer's the Iliad and The Odyssey |
| From: |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:45:43 +0100 |
|
Iterum salutem!
Scripsisti, Feste:
> I found that I do not like epic
> poetry much. It was very hard to get through the Illiad. I came away
from
> it with the feeling that it MAY have been written by an atheist in
disguise.
- If it was E. V. Rieux's translation you attempted, I'm not at all
surprised you found it hard going.
I tried his translation of 'The Iliad' years ago, and it put me off Homer
for a decade.
Personally, I found Homer fairly pious in his treatment of the gods, though
not without a bit of profance humour here and there. Rieux, on the other
hand, might very well have been an atheist:-).
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Homer's the Iliad and The Odyssey |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:07:01 EDT |
|
Salve!
<< Which translation of Homer did you get? >>
It was translated by Samuel Butler; August 8, 1898. Butler spent the entire
preface telling how much better he is than anyone else who has ever
translated Homer. LOL!
Vale
Iulius Titinius Antonius
Faber est suae quisque fortunae.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Rufa Miles et "Tormentrix" |
| From: |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:06:32 +0100 |
|
Et numquam Fabula de Petro Cuniculo? :-)
Vado.
> Gratias humiliter plurimas tibi ago. Latina tua melior magnopere facta
est!
> Hodie, Caesar! Cras, Winnie Ille Pu! :o)
>
> Vale, Amica Fidelis!
> Ac.Draco
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Civis nondum, sed... |
| From: |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:23:21 +0100 |
|
Salvere iubeo in Nova Roma, O Constantini!
>... let me finish
> with a quote
>
> alme Sol, curru nitido diem qui
> promis et celas aliusque et idem
> nasceris, possis nihil urbe Roma
> visere maius.
- Euge! Praestans! Someone else reads Horatius' Odes!
Good to have you with us!
Bene vale,
N. Moravius Vado.
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| Subject: |
...more, uh, humour:) |
| From: |
"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:46:45 PDT |
|
Salve, Omnes:
I recently took part in a discussion on the ambiguity of the English
pronoun, "you".. hmmm...how to make a good plural derivative? "Yous" was
suggested and promptly vetoed, but the Latin principle of inserting a "t" to
yield "youtes" entertained further consideration.
Alas, we decided this idea simply wouldn't "do" either...."youtes" might be
confused with the two "youtes" from the movie "My Cousin Vinnie", creating
even more ambiguity!
What do you, yous, youtes think? .... that we should find better things to
do with our time, maybe.... (LOL)!!!
Pompeia Cornelia :))
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] ...more, uh, humour:) |
| From: |
Mary Beth Clemon--------t;a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=029158235056038190172232203219129208071" >mclemon--------..</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:00:07 -0400 |
|
Here, in the South, we say Y'all. What's wrong with "you all"?
Minervina Iucunida Flavia
Propraetor SE USA Provincia
Senator
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Brett [mailto:<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a>]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:47 PM
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Cc: <a href="mailto:NovaRoma@--------" >NovaRoma@--------</a>
Subject: [novaroma] ...more, uh, humour:)
Salve, Omnes:
I recently took part in a discussion on the ambiguity of the English
pronoun, "you".. hmmm...how to make a good plural derivative? "Yous" was
suggested and promptly vetoed, but the Latin principle of inserting a "t" to
yield "youtes" entertained further consideration.
Alas, we decided this idea simply wouldn't "do" either...."youtes" might be
confused with the two "youtes" from the movie "My Cousin Vinnie", creating
even more ambiguity!
What do you, yous, youtes think? .... that we should find better things to
do with our time, maybe.... (LOL)!!!
Pompeia Cornelia :))
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ...more, uh, humour:) |
| From: |
"Nicola Du--------34; <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=091176219007018031015158190036129" >--------la@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:54:28 +0100 |
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ROFL!
What???
Anyway it's youse! LOL
Noct'a
------------------------------------------------
Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Materfamilias of the British gens Iulia Caesaria
etc, etc, etc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:RomanOutpost@--------" >RomanOutpost@--------</a>
Cc: <a href="mailto:NovaRoma@--------" >NovaRoma@--------</a>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 9:46 PM
Subject: [novaroma] ...more, uh, humour:)
> Salve, Omnes:
>
> I recently took part in a discussion on the ambiguity of the English
> pronoun, "you".. hmmm...how to make a good plural derivative? "Yous" was
> suggested and promptly vetoed, but the Latin principle of inserting a "t"
to
> yield "youtes" entertained further consideration.
>
> Alas, we decided this idea simply wouldn't "do" either...."youtes" might
be
> confused with the two "youtes" from the movie "My Cousin Vinnie", creating
> even more ambiguity!
>
> What do you, yous, youtes think? .... that we should find better things
to
> do with our time, maybe.... (LOL)!!!
>
> Pompeia Cornelia :))
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Latin |
| From: |
Guido Costantini <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230128180163056135105082190036" >--------e@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:57:11 +0200 |
|
>If I'm wrong in my questions, so much the better: that's how I learn, nonne?
>
>As to my *own* pronunciation, I go for what linguists call "maximum
>contrast" -- my long vowels are long and "close," my short vowels are short
>and "open." I pronounce "c" and "g" hard *always* (the word "gens" takes a
>little getting used to) and my "v" is a "bilabial" in linguists' jargon:
>like a Spanish "b/v" (in the middle of words) or a Sanskrit/Hindi "v/w": a
>"v" pronounced with lower lip to upper lip, not lower lip to upper teeth as
>in English. Also my "t,d,n" are dental, pronounced on the back of the upper
>teeth instead of on the gum behind the upper teeth as in English. (Nova
>Romans whose first language is a Romance language won't understand the need
>to specify this, their "t,d,n" is naturally dental already). It sounds much
>like Italian, though "dryer" (because it lacks the sounds of "ch," "j," "z")
>and with more consonant combinations and a rolling quality from the long
>vowels.
Ave
Forgive my boldness... the strong "g" and "c" in latin are an invention of
the germans scholars of the XIX century... no latin, nor any italian, will
ever pronounce a hard "g" or "c" and if we assume the neo-latin languages
are really the children of their mother, you'll have even more proof of that.
Hhy people coming from a totally different root of languages claimed the
right to give us the rules of our own (and not casually mirroring their own
way to pronounce those consonant), will always be a wonder... even more the
"ae" and "oe" sounds that they pretend being pronounced separately (o-e and
a-e) while, and that is clear expecially for metrical purposes, they were
"monosoundic".
Vale
GC
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ...more, uh, humour:) |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:29:32 -0700 |
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Yes we know about your southern accent Flavia! hehehee All you need to do is
to speak to her on the phone..heehhee
Sulla Felix
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To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:00 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] ...more, uh, humour:)
> Here, in the South, we say Y'all. What's wrong with "you all"?
>
> Minervina Iucunida Flavia
> Propraetor SE USA Provincia
> Senator
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Brett [mailto:<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a>]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:47 PM
> To: <a href="mailto:RomanOutpost@--------" >RomanOutpost@--------</a>
> Cc: <a href="mailto:NovaRoma@--------" >NovaRoma@--------</a>
> Subject: [novaroma] ...more, uh, humour:)
>
>
> Salve, Omnes:
>
> I recently took part in a discussion on the ambiguity of the English
> pronoun, "you".. hmmm...how to make a good plural derivative? "Yous" was
> suggested and promptly vetoed, but the Latin principle of inserting a "t"
to
>
> yield "youtes" entertained further consideration.
>
> Alas, we decided this idea simply wouldn't "do" either...."youtes" might
be
> confused with the two "youtes" from the movie "My Cousin Vinnie", creating
> even more ambiguity!
>
> What do you, yous, youtes think? .... that we should find better things
to
> do with our time, maybe.... (LOL)!!!
>
> Pompeia Cornelia :))
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| Subject: |
RE: [novaroma] ...more, uh, humour:) |
| From: |
"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:36:55 PDT |
|
(LOL)!!! Salve, Minerva: Nothing wrong with "you all"... we were trying to
change the word "you" without adding other words! But now that you mention
it, in my "Canadianness" I actually don't come across "you all" that
frequently...in this neck of the woods, the expression is seldom used.
Bene vale!
Pompeia
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>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
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>Subject: RE: [novaroma] ...more, uh, humour:)
>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:00:07 -0400
>
>Here, in the South, we say Y'all. What's wrong with "you all"?
>
>Minervina Iucunida Flavia
>Propraetor SE USA Provincia
>Senator
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick Brett [mailto:<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a>]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:47 PM
>To: <a href="mailto:RomanOutpost@--------" >RomanOutpost@--------</a>
>Cc: <a href="mailto:NovaRoma@--------" >NovaRoma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] ...more, uh, humour:)
>
>
>Salve, Omnes:
>
>I recently took part in a discussion on the ambiguity of the English
>pronoun, "you".. hmmm...how to make a good plural derivative? "Yous" was
>suggested and promptly vetoed, but the Latin principle of inserting a "t"
>to
>
>yield "youtes" entertained further consideration.
>
>Alas, we decided this idea simply wouldn't "do" either...."youtes" might be
>confused with the two "youtes" from the movie "My Cousin Vinnie", creating
>even more ambiguity!
>
>What do you, yous, youtes think? .... that we should find better things to
>do with our time, maybe.... (LOL)!!!
>
>Pompeia Cornelia :))
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Latin |
| From: |
Marcus Pap--------s Justus <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197166104009127132130232203026129208071" >pap--------s@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:34:35 -0600 |
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Salve ... the strong C's and G's are no invention; we know how they were
pronounced because of inscriptional evidence; specifically, Greek
inscriptional evidence ... more specifically, of names. Caesar, e.g., is
transliterated at KAISAR ...
mpj
At 11:57 PM 4/19/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Ave
>
>Forgive my boldness... the strong "g" and "c" in latin are an invention of
>the germans scholars of the XIX century... no latin, nor any italian, will
>ever pronounce a hard "g" or "c" and if we assume the neo-latin languages
>are really the children of their mother, you'll have even more proof of that.
>Hhy people coming from a totally different root of languages claimed the
>right to give us the rules of our own (and not casually mirroring their own
>way to pronounce those consonant), will always be a wonder... even more the
>"ae" and "oe" sounds that they pretend being pronounced separately (o-e and
>a-e) while, and that is clear expecially for metrical purposes, they were
>"monosoundic".
>
>Vale
>
>GC
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Latin |
| From: |
Guido Costantini <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230128180163056135105082190036" >--------e@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:44:30 +0200 |
|
At 18.34 19/04/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Salve ... the strong C's and G's are no invention; we know how they were
>pronounced because of inscriptional evidence; specifically, Greek
>inscriptional evidence ... more specifically, of names. Caesar, e.g., is
>transliterated at KAISAR ...
>
>mpj
>
Salve
The greeks didn't have a soft "c" sound, I'm afraid.. they had the hard
"kappa" and the not so soft gamma, so it's pretty natural that they
translittered the c of Caesar in K which doesn't mean that was correct...
have you ever noticed how a nam and a surname get awfully distored when
pronounced by someone speaking another language? :)
vale
GC
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ...more, uh, humour:) |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:49:41 EDT |
|
Salve, Omnes:
<>
How about the famous plural form of the word "You" from down in the South
East Provincia of the United States... "Ya'll"; thats what my Latin teacher
would have us put when translating plural "You".
Vale
Iulius Titinius Antonius
Faber est suae quisque fortunae.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Civis nondum, sed... |
| From: |
"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:54:26 PDT |
|
Salve, Amice Costantini:
Welcome to Nova Roma E-list! Hopefully you will join us as a citizen. I
would suggest you email the Censor's office for info on gens located in
Italia: <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> His nam-------- Lucius Corn--------s Sulla F--------.
Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia
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>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Civis nondum, sed...
>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:15:38 +0200
>
>...considering it. But since I joined the mailing list I thought a little
>presentation woul dhave been a polite thing to do, even should I keep
>lurking for a while to realize what it is all about (even if the site of
>nova roma is pretty well done and answers many questions, my compliments).
>
>Anyway, I'm a law student (with quite a lot of roman law exams done) living
>in Italy... guess where? Exactly in Rome.
>Having a mother teaching classical languanges (Latin and ancient greek), my
>first goodnite stories have been all the classical miths (well, besides the
>too cruent ones).
>Done classical studies, which means I've studied latin and ancient greek
>for 5 years (I can read latin fairly good, writing it will be a problem
>due that fact is years now I do not try it.. I used to speak it in high
>schools as a game... about greek.. well, it's long forgotten, I'm afraid,
>it's nothing that sticks in your mind if you don't practice it every day)
>and read the Iliad, the Odyssy, the Aeneid and most of the classicals like
>Xhenophont, Lisia, Plato, most of the greek poets (or what is left of
>them), Tucidides, Cicero, Ovid, Catullus and so on.
>
>Stumbled by pure accident in the nova roma site and got somehow charmed, so
>here I am... And, well, I think that will be it for now... let me finish
>with a quote
>
>alme Sol, curru nitido diem qui
> promis et celas aliusque et idem
> nasceris, possis nihil urbe Roma
> visere maius.
>
>
>Valete
>
>GC
>
>
>PS
>Wondering... is there a gens active in Rome? I know there is the provincia
>Italia, but? If the governor is checking, I'd like some infos...
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ...more, uh, humour:) |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:00:04 EDT |
|
In --------ss--------d-------- 4/19/00 2:51:13 PM PST, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246243113180119209184102159248147208071048" >St--------eck@--------</--------; writes:
<< How about the famous plural form of the word "You" from down in the South
East Provincia of the United States... "Ya'll"; thats what my Latin teacher
would have us put when translating plural "You".
>>
That's exactly how my own Latin teacher described 'estis'
Drusus Cornelius Claudius
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