Subject:	Re: [novaroma] "Gladiator" A new movie.
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:12:14 EDT

In a message dated 4/20/2000 2:41:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=197233192165082194105056163101081165094048139046" >poeticfiend@--------</a> writes:

<< I will definitely go see it when it comes out. I hope it's as good as it
seems.
>>
Salvete
Alas I have seen it. Armor has no bearing in reality to the period, and the
computer generated beasts look extremely fake. The story has little bearing
on Roman history. It strikes me more as sword & sorcery tale, with very
little sorcery. Still it's Ridley, so you know it's going to beautiful shot.
Which it is.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] "Gladiator" A new movie.
From:	Marcus Pap--------s Justus <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197166104009127132130232203026129208071" >pap--------s@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:20:45 -0600

Salvete omnes,

Cives might be interested in the following excerpts from my monthly "The
Ancient World on Television Listings":

Friday, April 28

9.00 p.m. TLC Gladiators: Sports and Entertainment in the Roman World
An obvious (and admitted) tie-in with Dreamworks latest feature flick (it
will be out for about two weeks by the time this comes out); this program
focusses on the popularity of gladiators.

10.00 p.m. TLC Gladiators: The Brutal Truth
More of the same, but focussing on gladiatorial competition as human
sacrifice along with the usual 'bloodthirsty crowd' references and
culminating in Spartacus' revolt, it appears.

mpj



At 08:12 PM 4/20/00 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 4/20/2000 2:41:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
><a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=197233192165082194105056163101081165094048139046" >poeticfiend@--------</a> writes:
>
><< I will definitely go see it when it comes out. I hope it's as good as it
> seems.
> >>
>Salvete
>Alas I have seen it. Armor has no bearing in reality to the period, and the
>computer generated beasts look extremely fake. The story has little bearing
>on Roman history. It strikes me more as sword & sorcery tale, with very
>little sorcery. Still it's Ridley, so you know it's going to beautiful shot.
> Which it is.
>Valete
>Q. Fabius Maximus
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] "Gladiator" A new movie.
From:	"William Dowie" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=093176235078082031072212129024166089177098204046209130" >William_Dowie@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:36:31 -0400

Lets just hope it isn't the braveheart of Roman history, eh?

G. Quinctius Flamininus
"Fearlessness is better than a faint-heart for any
man who puts his nose out of doors. The length of
my life and the day of my death were fated long ago."
-Anonymous lines from For Scirnis
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Subject: Re: [novaroma] "Gladiator" A new movie.


Salve!

I am so going to see that movie!!! ROFLMAO!! ((Lots of Loud Cheering and
Whooping All over the place)), :-)
<< Salvete!!

The other night I caught just the end of an advertisement of a new movie
called Gladiator, spelled in Roman capitals, to be released mid-May. I found
the official website.
"<a href="http://spielberg-dreamworks.com/gladiator/index.html#" target="_top" >http://spielberg-dreamworks.com/gladiator/index.html#</a>

It looks very good visually and the plot seems interesting. It seems like
a very large budgeted affair with all sorts of merchandise available to be
purchased. I was greatly impressed by a prominent link on the site "Learn
more about the Roman Empire".

I will definitely go see it when it comes out. I hope it's as good as it
seems.

-Gaius Tullius Triumphius Cicero
Senator, Preator of Eastern Canada
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] "Gladiator" A new movie.
From:
Date:	Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:39:07 -0700

----- Original Message -----
From: "William Dowie" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=093176235078082031072212129024166089177098204046209130" >William_Dowie@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] "Gladiator" A new movie.


> Lets just hope it isn't the braveheart of Roman history, eh?

HEY Braveheart is Cool!

SF

Subject:	Latin
From:	"Bradius V. Maurus III" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=014130014161146028033082190" >bvm3@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:40:37 +0200

Salvete Novi Romani!

I have been following with the keenest interest the
discussion of Latin recently. I especially appreciated the
contributions of S. Troicus Ductor and Arcadius Draco.

I have some some years now been a participant in the
Living Latin summer seminars given in the Czech Republic and
Poland by L.V.P.A., a German-based group for the
encouragement of Living Latin. We have sometimes had more
than a hundred people from many European nations and the
U.S. staying together for a week and speaking only Latin
with one another, as well as enjoying a rich cultural and
scholarly programme - all in Latin (although sometimes for
Greek enthusiasts in Attic Greek too).

In these seminars, usually even the Italian participants
are willing to speak with the Restored Pronunciation, as it
offers us a better chance to understand each other more
easily. That is so quite objectively: there is a clear
difference between pairs like "cive" / "sive" and "servus"
/ "cervus".
We are not intolerant of other pronunciation traditions, but
there is strong enthusiasm for the Restored.

To us there is nothing strange about ""Whenie, Wheedie,
Weakie" (although to an English speaker that might sound
more like "waynie", as that's a long vowel, and Caesar
[kaesar!] sent it to the Senate from near Zela in the Middle
East, not Gaul). Similarly, Nowa Roma is a perfectly natural
pronunciation, if one gets used to it, however odourless it
might be...

I realise that for Nova Romans, it may be that their
love for Rome is emotionally tied to their early memories of
Latin terminology and names in some national tradition of
pronunciation. I have no wish to discourage this, and I
propose that such people simply become bidialectical in
Latin. I have no trouble shifting between the Restored and
Ecclesiastical pronunciations whenever I wish, and I daresay
others could do the same.

A softening of some consonants before I and E is normal
in the Romance languages and English, but it is not always
the same. From example, C often becomes like S in English,
Latin American Spanish and French, CH in Italian, TH in
Castillian Spanish, and TS in Polish, while remaining like C
before other letters. (Of course it has to do with sounds
rather than letters, but let's keep this simple.) If we want
to pronounce these soft, which softening do we pick? Isn't
it easier to stick to the Restored Pronunciation for the
public purposes of Nova Roma? It is the pronunciation of
"good" Latin in the late Republic, the golden age of Latin
literature. Is that not most consistent with other Nova
Roman policies?

In fact, that is what I was taught in high school in
Pennsylvania, and it is growing ever stronger in Europe now
as well. The Societas Latina at the University of Saarland
has produced a cassette of major traditional pronunciations
for the beginning of Caesar's Gallic War. The differences
are amazing - and the traditional English is clearly the
ugliest and the hardest to understand for everyone else! It
is fascinating, but Nova Roma is based on the classic
period, and is not for the most part interested in what
mediaeval and renaissance Europe did with Latin, admirable
though that is.

I am all in favour of adding long-vowel marking to our
rites. Beginners will thus be spared either making awful
mistakes of vowel pronunciation and accent or having to use
dictionaries intensively to do the job we might well have
done more easily, once and for all. Getting rites right is a
very, very Roman concern, after all.

Grammar mistakes are indeed to be corrected. However,
checking the criticised phrase (both cited forms of which
were wrong!), I found that in two arbitrarily selected rites
the correct form of this phrase was present.

>Dico G. Albius Gadelicus.:
>That one I'm not sure of: I *think* that the words "bonus,
faustus, felix,
>fortunatus, salutare" are being used as adjectives
qualifying a neuter
>nominative singular noun that has been elided, not as
nouns. Someone
>help me out here.

Well, they are neuter singular adjectives modifying "quod",
a neuter relative pronoun. Ergo: bonum, faustum, felix,
fortunatum, salutare.

I only had a bit of doubt about "Ita est" ("It is so."),
where I might have expected "Ita sit" (May it be so. / Let
it be so. / So mote it be.). Can someone vouch for the
authenticity of that? (Both forms are grammatical and
logical, but the psychology is quite different...)

I wish a joyous Parília to all of my fellow citizens,
and wish to publicly congratulate and bless the confaeratio
union of our Pontifex Maximus M. Cassius Iulianus and
Patricia Cassia on Saturn's Day. Omnia Optima Vobis!!!

Valete!

M. Apollonius Formosanus
Silesia, Polonia

Subject:	Re: "Gladiator" ... I saw it already!!!
From:	"S--------dan/ Hibernicus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:07:20 -0000

Some us at Legio IX Hispana saw a working version of Gladiator last
Fall.

Hollywood has never done Roman armor correctly, and hasn't done so in
this film, though the scutums (shields) are the best of any film as
are
the lorica segmentatas.

The war scene is very exciting. The Germanii are great! Someone needs
to teach the Director how Romans really fought.

Soldiers with dirty tunics, rusty armor, dinged scutums, look like
they've ben on campaign for weeks or months... excellent.

The gladiatorial scenes are spectacular... We saw the scenes without
1000's of people morphed into the Arena and were suitably thrilled.

Fun storyline. A most evil Emperor. A couple of surprise small parts
with notable actors playing the roles. Hint: pay attention to the old
Emperor at the beginning.

This is the film Oliver Reed died during the filming of.

Nearly all of us have May 5 off.

Counting the days...


Gaius Valerius tacitus Hibernicus
Centurio
Legio IX Hispana

Subject:	Re: Genti Novae Romae in Gallia
From:	Helena <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=165158192237078153036181001245114223071048139" >oceanlilly@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:43:48 -0400 (EDT)

Salvete Vado and to any interested,

*I* am also available to translate NR material (or something
else) into francais.

-Helena
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Subject:	Hannibal video
From:	"Michael" <a href="/p--------n----------------pr--------tID=029166047003193091033082" >maf@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:49:56 +1000

Salve,

I have just watched a rather good video from Time/Life called "Hannibal: the terror of Rome" It had a few historical glitches ie referring frequently to the Roman Empire (in the 3rd Century BC!), and calling legionaries "legionnaires", but otherwise it was enjoyable and informative. It featured a recreation of Hannibal's trip with elephants over the Alps, to show it was feasible, and also showed current-day footage of the battlefields of Lake Traisimene, Cannae and Zama, so you could get a good idea of the terrain. It was well worth seeing.

Vale

Marcus Afranius Regulus


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] "Gladiator" A new movie.
From:	"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:42:02 PDT

Salvete G. Triumphus Cicero et. al:

Yes, I heard about this movie as well. Thanks for providing the link for
the official web site. I'm looking forward to seeing this film.

Valete,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo


>From: "J.D. Porter" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=197233192165082194105056163101081165094048139046" >poeticfiend@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>CC: <a href="mailto:RomanOutpost@--------" >RomanOutpost@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] "Gladiator" A new movie.
>Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:39:15 GMT
>
>
>
>Salvete!!
>
> The other night I caught just the end of an advertisement of a new movie
>called Gladiator, spelled in Roman capitals, to be released mid-May. I
>found
>the official website.
>"<a href="http://spielberg-dreamworks.com/gladiator/index.html#" target="_top" >http://spielberg-dreamworks.com/gladiator/index.html#</a>
>
> It looks very good visually and the plot seems interesting. It seems
>like
>a very large budgeted affair with all sorts of merchandise available to be
>purchased. I was greatly impressed by a prominent link on the site "Learn
>more about the Roman Empire".
>
> I will definitely go see it when it comes out. I hope it's as good as
>it
>seems.
>
> -Gaius Tullius Triumphius Cicero
> Senator, Preator of Eastern Canada
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] "Gladiator" A new movie.
From:
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:01:47 EDT

In a message dated 4/20/00 8:37:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=093176235078082031072212129024166089177098204046209130" >William_Dowie@--------</a> writes:

<< Lets just hope it isn't the braveheart of Roman history, eh? >>

It has one thing going for it...Mel Gibson isn't in it!

--Dex

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Latin
From:
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:03:48 EDT

While this is in no way meant to discourage this thread (though I haven't
really been following it)...

"You say Tomatoe and I say Tomato, let's call the whole thing off!"

LOL

--Dex

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] "Gladiator" A new movie.
From:
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:05:40 EDT

In --------ss--------d-------- 4/20/00 9:00:15 PM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=061044104089235135169082190036" >sfp55@--------</--------;
writes:

<< Alas I have seen it. Armor has no bearing in reality to the period, and
the
computer generated beasts look extremely fake. The story has little bearing
on Roman history. It strikes me more as sword & sorcery tale, with very
little sorcery. Still it's Ridley, so you know it's going to beautiful
shot. >>

Did it have Ninjas? What about Space Aliens who come to take over Earth but
the determined Romans defeat them? Or perhaps Zena, the Warrior Princess,
makes a camio?

--Dex

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: "Gladiator" ... I saw it already!!!
From:
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:06:34 EDT

In a message dated 4/20/00 9:08:22 PM Eastern Daylig--------ime, <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a>
writes:

<< This is the film Oliver Reed died during the filming of. >>

Who'se Oliver Reed?

--Dex

Subject:	ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem XI Kalendas Mai (April 21st)
From:	w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:58:25 -0700

ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem XI Kalendas Mai (April 21st)

Salvete omnes

This is a dies nefastus publicus (NP), a day for special religious
observance on which no legal action or public business can take place.

In this day we celebrate the Palilia or Parilia in honour of Pales,
deity of
the Palatine Hill (the gender of Pales is obscure, and so when
addressing
Pales, be careful to use the formula "sive deus sive dea" when needed).
This
is also the the "Roma condita" or birthday of Eternal Roma Herself! In
this
day Romulus killed
his brother Remo and became king. The Palilia is a very ancient Roman
pastoral feast whose institution is thus attributed to Romulus himself.
This
is also said to the birthday of king Numa Pompilius.
The general character of the Palilia is one of purification (lustratio)
of
shepherds and cattle, for the involuntary faults committed against the
deities of the countryside. Bonfires are lit and the shepherds jump over

them. At twilight, the ground is aspersed with holy water using a laurel

branch, and then the earth is swept with a broom. The sheep are then
draped
with laurel, and their wool is fumigated with burning sulfur. Millet,
millet
cakes, and milk are offered, as are laurel leaves over an open fire of
olive
wood and pine. Shepherds then beg forgiveness for any trespasses upon
hallowed ground or infringements of divine rights of which he might have

been guilty during the previous year, and that the deity should spare
his
flocks and herds, protect them from disease and the predations of the
wolves, and give them grass to eat and water to drink. The prayer is to
be
repeated four times facing east. Then milk mixed with must is drunk, and
the
ceremony is concluded by shepherds leaping again over the straw-fed
fires.
Within Roma, similar purification rituals take place. People go to the
temple of Vesta in order to obtain the purificating fumigations prepared

with the ashes from the fetal calves that were saved from the
Fordicidia,
the blood of the October horse (October Equus sacrificed in past October
and
whose blood was taken to the temple of Vesta), and bean shells or
stalks.
This preparation is thrown into the bonfires before the leaping starts.

Pax Deorum vobiscum

Marcus Corenlius Felix

Subject:	Happy Birthday Roma!
From:	"S--------dan/ Hibernicus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:11:47 -0000

Parilia Felix!

Rome is now 2753!

Gaius Valerius Tacitus Hibernicus
Centurio
Legio IX Hispana

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: "Gladiator" ... I saw it already!!!
From:	"S--------dan/ Hibernicus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:26:55 -0000

--- In <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>, dexippus@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 4/20/00 9:08:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
legioix@--------
> writes:
>
> << This is the film Oliver Reed died during the filming of. >>
>
> Who'se Oliver Reed?
>
> --Dex

Our Oliver Reed of course!

Hibernicus

Subject:	Conference in Boston next week
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:29:29 -0400

Salvete omnes

Felicia Parilia omnibus

I don't know how many people saw this. I posted the info on the Nova
Britannia message board
(<a href="http://venus.beseen.com/boardroom/k/51521/View?n=00133" target="_top" >http://venus.beseen.com/boardroom/k/51521/View?n=00133</a>)

on the Kalends of Martius, but it seems that noone is using that board.

The url for the conference is

<a href="http://www.bu.edu/classics/barsc.html" target="_top" >http://www.bu.edu/classics/barsc.html</a>

Valete

C Marius Merullus

Subject:	re: pronounciation of names
From:	<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=123202250237229116184218046036129208" >gkbagne@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:37:19 -0000

As the pronunciation of a language drifts, names are even worse. Look
how they got sin-jin for Saint John, not to mention Juan Johan and
Ian. I work with a guy named Ian who pronounces it eye-an. Name
pronunciation can be idisyncratic to a family. I suggest that a name
be pronounced as its bearer says it is, while we follow the
pronunciation for conversation as it is given in our standard
textbooks. So Julius the younger can be Jew-lee-us the hew-nee-or
(junior)if he wants to. Lapella

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Conference in Boston next week
From:
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:56:00 EDT

Can't be in Boston next week. I'll be in DC for the Millenial March on
Washington.

--Dex

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] re: pronounciation of names
From:
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:07:45 -0700

<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=123202250237229116184218046036129208" >gkbagne@--------</a> wrote:

> As the pronunciation of a language drifts, names are even worse. Look
> how they got sin-jin for Saint John, not to mention Juan Johan and
> Ian. I work with a guy named Ian who pronounces it eye-an. Name
> pronunciation can be idisyncratic to a family. I suggest that a name
> be pronounced as its bearer says it is, while we follow the
> pronunciation for conversation as it is given in our standard
> textbooks. So Julius the younger can be Jew-lee-us the hew-nee-or
> (junior)if he wants to. Lapella
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Zena fan?
From:
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:11:19 EDT

In a message dated 4/21/2000 7:06:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=114056131009152219130232203140129208071" >dexippus@--------</--------; writes:

<< Or perhaps Zena, the Warrior Princess,
makes a camio? >>
Hey Dex. That would be cool. You a Zena fan?
QFM

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] re: pronounciation of names
From:
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:09:32 -0700

Salvete!

Oops..Here I am printing out more Censor stuff..and I accidently hit reply on
this message.....Sorry!

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:

> <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=123202250237229116184218046036129208" >gkbagne@--------</a> wrote:
>
> > As the pronunciation of a language drifts, names are even worse. Look
> > how they got sin-jin for Saint John, not to mention Juan Johan and
> > Ian. I work with a guy named Ian who pronounces it eye-an. Name
> > pronunciation can be idisyncratic to a family. I suggest that a name
> > be pronounced as its bearer says it is, while we follow the
> > pronunciation for conversation as it is given in our standard
> > textbooks. So Julius the younger can be Jew-lee-us the hew-nee-or
> > (junior)if he wants to. Lapella
> >
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Subject:	Re: Latin
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:19:45 -0400

Salvete M Apolloni et alii

Thank you for that thoughtful post.

The suggestion that Nova Romans become bidialectic in pronunciation of Latin
seems sound, except that I for one would encourage people with little or no
Latin to learn even one dialect if they are interested in the language. As
I have said, I favor the reconstructed standard but would welcome the
opportunity to converse with any of you, whatever dialect you use (although
if you pronounce Cicero as "Tsitseron" the way that our friends in Sarmatia
do, I may get irritated :)).

Since recent days have witnessed such interesting (to me, anyway) exchanges
on the nuances of Latin pronunciation, and nerdy words like "macron" and
"orthography" have started to show up, maybe we could form a Nerds'
Sodalitas.

Believe it or not, there's quite a bit that an organized pack of nerds could
do. As Senator Ericius has pointed out, the Latin on the website needs
review and correction. This is too much work for one person, and really,
it's the kind of work that just doesn't lend itself to one pair of hands,
even if we could find someone who thought that he/she had the time to tackle
it all (we need at least one nerd who has studied religious texts, at least
one who has studied legal texts {to the extent that you can separate these,
but you know what I mean} et cetera {yes, that's "ketera"}, and we don't
want to turn every question over to one all-mighty Latin guru either).

As a sodalitas, the nerds (that is, people who are into Latin enough to have
opinions on whether the letter c always represented a hard velar stop to a
Roman and that sort of thing) could divide up the site's Latin content
systematically among themselves, correct it, and then submit a report to the
curator araneae and Senatus on what specific corrections are needed, and
help implement changes as the senators and magistrates deem necessary.

And that would just be the beginning. The sodalitas could move from there
to collaborative translations, composition of new texts for special
occasions, and hopefully start building a body of Latin literature with the
name of Nova Roma on it.

I'm by no means the first person to think of such a thing. Cn Tarquinius
Caesar had some similar thoughts, probably a year ago (I think that he might
even have set up a web page and/or e-mail list for discussing this type of
nerdy thing). L Equitius Cincinnatus was talking about official use of
Latin a long time before that. I'm not trying to "outdo" anything that they
have done, but I suspect that now we're reaching the critical mass of nerds
that could make such a sodalitas fly.

Anyway, I hope that bibliophili (my coinage for nerds) from all corners of
Nova Roma will comment on this. Who would consider joining such a
sodalitas? Or, if you think that the idea has some merit but lacks
something, please share how it could be made better.

Valete

Gaius Marius Merullus

post scriptum I too have wondered about ita est versus ita sit But I have
gone with ita est only because it is the form that most people say they use.



>
> I have been following with the keenest interest the
>discussion of Latin recently. I especially appreciated the
>contributions of S. Troicus Ductor and Arcadius Draco.
>
> In these seminars, usually even the Italian participants
>are willing to speak with the Restored Pronunciation, as it
>offers us a better chance to understand each other more
>easily. That is so quite objectively: there is a clear
>difference between pairs like "cive" / "sive" and "servus"
>/ "cervus".
>We are not intolerant of other pronunciation traditions, but
>there is strong enthusiasm for the Restored.
>

>I only had a bit of doubt about "Ita est" ("It is so."),
>where I might have expected "Ita sit" (May it be so. / Let
>it be so. / So mote it be.). Can someone vouch for the
>authenticity of that? (Both forms are grammatical and
>logical, but the psychology is quite different...)
>
> I wish a joyous Parília to all of my fellow citizens,
>and wish to publicly congratulate and bless the confaeratio
>union of our Pontifex Maximus M. Cassius Iulianus and
>Patricia Cassia on Saturn's Day. Omnia Optima Vobis!!!
>
>Valete!
>
>M. Apollonius Formosanus
>Silesia, Polonia

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Zena fan?
From:
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:36:40 EDT

In --------ss--------d-------- 4/21/00 4:31:34 PM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=061044104089235135169082190036" >sfp55@--------</--------;
writes:

<< << Or perhaps Zena, the Warrior Princess,
makes a camio? >>
Hey Dex. That would be cool. You a Zena fan?
QFM
>>
Hey I have a big Poster of Xena in my Study!
- Titinius

Subject:	Any other civis speaks spanish ?
From:	"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=114166234009056153112037203168129208071" >danielov@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:16:20 -0000

Ave.
I would like to know if there are others cives who speak spanish.
Salve.

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 805
From:
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:37:39 EDT

Just a further, nitpicking note on Brother Cadfael. According to the nature
of his work in the abbey he was not a lay brother but rather a clerical
brother. There are several scenes in various episodes that show him
participating in the choral recitation of the Divine Office, a task reserved
only to clerical brothers. Additionally, his position in the monastery is as
infirmarian, again an office held only by a clerical brother.

As for the habit he wears, there again score one for the BBC. His habit is
an authentic recreation of the traditional Benedictine mode of dress common
for the Middle Ages. The modern Benedictine monks do not routinely wear the
scapular at all times, and their modern color is black, rather than the
undyed dull brown of the TV series.

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Any other civis speaks spanish ?
From:	"Jeffrey L. Graham" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045056047121127198187242109140244253188098030046209130" >--------reygraham@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:38:31 +0000

Yo hablo eapanol. hace como 15 anos pasaba un ano en la ciudad de
Mexico, y tambien vivia dos meses en caracas y 4 meses en Buenos Aires.
:)


On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:16:20 -0000 "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus"
<a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=114166234009056153112037203168129208071" >danielov@--------</a> writes:
> Ave.
> I would like to know if there are others cives who speak spanish.
> Salve.
>
>
>
>
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Subject:	Meeting in California
From:	Greta <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=165158192237078153036181001245114223071048139" >oceanlilly@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:26:41 -0400 (EDT)

To all civies,

There will be a meeting tomorrow (Saturday) in San Gabriel,
California at a (very good!) Italian restaurant. Sulla and
I are expecting a turnout of about 10 Nova Romans. We are
very excited and I will write up a report of the goings-on
to be posted next week.

I ask former Praetor & now Pontiff Ericius to implore the
Gods' blessing for the success of this meeting.

-Helena Cornelia Ovidia Equitia
Propraetrix of California
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