| Subject: |
Declaration by the Consules. Summoning of the Comitia |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:04:43 EDT |
|
Salvete citizens of Nova Roma!
I, Quintus Fabius Maximus, with the consent of my Consular colleague Marcus
Municius Audens, using the authority bestowed on me by the college of lictors
hereby summon the Comitia Centuria to elect a Censor, and the Comitia Populi
to elect two Curule Aediles.
This day being propitious for the Comitia I declare that the citizens may
vote for the candidates at the Nova Roma site: <a href="http://www.novaroma.org" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org</a>
for the next six (6) days. The reason for such a truncated election is a
matter of expediency, being that, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, our sole
Censor must be allowed time to brief his new colleague before entering the
hospital in early Maius (May). I'm sure all citizens hearing and reading
this proclamation, will do their civic duty. For which I and my fellow
Consul thank you. May Fortuna continue to watch over and perserve our
republic.
Valete!
|
| Subject: |
Error on Cista |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:40:30 -0700 |
|
My Gens member, Drusus Cornelius Claudius is getting a mailer-daemon
error when he clicks ok to send the e-mail. Can this be checked?
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
|
| Subject: |
Voter Codes |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:43:16 -0700 |
|
Salve
If anyone wants to confirm their voter code, please e-mail me and I will
respond as quickly as possible. Also, if you dont have a voter code,
please contact me and I will respond with your correct voter code.
As for the entry of the voter codes on the Cista. Please enter it in
the same way it was given to you. It is case sensitive.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
|
| Subject: |
Voting |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:55:26 -0700 |
|
I just tried to vote.
I entered voter code, marked ballot, clicked on the send button,
the security warning came up, I clicked OK, the warning window
went away, and that is all that happened. So! Did my vote go
through?
Is this the way it is working this time? I believe that the last
times there
was a change in the ballot screen. Did my vote get lost? Did it go
through?
What? Dang nab it! [quote from Varro the Agriculturist] I don't want
to end up not having voted because of some blasted computer thingie!
Protegis nos!
C. Aelius Ericius.
Paterfamilias gens Aelia
Senator. Augur. Pontiff.
etc.
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Voting |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:01:46 -0700 |
|
what did the security warning say...and what version of web browser are you
using?
SF
Razenna wrote:
> I just tried to vote.
> I entered voter code, marked ballot, clicked on the send button,
> the security warning came up, I clicked OK, the warning window
> went away, and that is all that happened. So! Did my vote go
> through?
> Is this the way it is working this time? I believe that the last
> times there
> was a change in the ballot screen. Did my vote get lost? Did it go
> through?
> What? Dang nab it! [quote from Varro the Agriculturist] I don't want
> to end up not having voted because of some blasted computer thingie!
> Protegis nos!
>
> C. Aelius Ericius.
> Paterfamilias gens Aelia
> Senator. Augur. Pontiff.
> etc.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget.
> Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already
> registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here:
> <a href="http://click.egroups.com/1/2885/4/_/61050/_/956548502/" target="_top" >http://click.egroups.com/1/2885/4/_/61050/_/956548502/</a>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem IX Kalendas Mai (April 23rd) |
| From: |
w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:04:41 -0700 |
|
Sorry but my SYStem was down from 9pm on the 22 till just now at 11:03pm
on the 23rd
Marcus Cornelius Felix
This is a dies fastus (F), a day on which legal action and public
business
can take place.
This is the Vinalia Priora, the first of two Festivals of Wine (the
other
being the Vinalia Rustica). This festival is sacred to both Jupiter and
Venus. On this day the Flamen Dialis offers the first jars of the wine
('calpar') from the previous year to Jupiter by means of libations; only
then the wine can be sampled by men.
Venus is also honored this day as the protectress of the hetairae
(dancing
girls) and prostitutes. Myrtle, mint, and incense are burnt on the
altars of
the Temple of Erycinna in the northeast part of the city, built to house
the
image which Marcus Claudius Marcellus brought from Eryx in Sicily in 212
B.C. Bouquets of roses and rushes are brought to her.
Pax deorum vobiscum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
|
| Subject: |
the web site is also *NOT* leting me vote |
| From: |
w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:10:11 -0700 |
|
salve
I also am getting
I got an error trying to vote.... It said "unbalanced, check the message
recipient, which it cited
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=241233219165194209172056175248006208071048" >Noctur----------------</a>." Please correct this... :)
Vale marcus cornelius felix
|
| Subject: |
Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:29:35 -0700 |
|
Beginning immediately all applicants who apply for citizenship in Nova
Roma have their gender consistent with their Roman Name. In other
words, if you are male your Roman name must reflect your physical
gender. Just as if you are female your Roman Name must reflect your
physical gender. Just as the Latin language is gender driven, that
tradition is hereby officially adopted in Nova Roma.
I publish this edicta to as a means of gaining increased credibility for
Nova Roma. So that it sets us apart from Role Playing games societies
(such as other fantasy based micronation and gaming societies
[ancientsites.com]). As our organization grows and gains more worldwide
recognition we need to clarify our true intentions as a true
micronation. This cannot just be done by just the website alone, it
also needs to be illustrated in the laws that govern each of us as
citizens.
This precedent was first established during the Censorship of Decius
Iunius Palladius and Flavius Vedius Germancius. I am hereby publishing
it as Edicta.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma
|
| Subject: |
Nomenclator |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:32:13 -0700 |
|
Salve
Given the resignation of Lucia Maria Fimbria as my nomenclator, I hereby
appoint Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus as my official nomenclator. He has
been helping me in the last month and I value his assistance.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
|
| Subject: |
Censorial Edicta - slight change on citizen application |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:04:40 -0700 |
|
Beginning immediately, the following parts of the citizenship
application will be considered REQUIRED: Desired Roman Name.
Also, to make it more easier for applicants to know what information IS
required, I order that it be made in BOLD instead of italic.
I personally thank Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus for pointing out this
issue and helping me correct it.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
|
| Subject: |
Censorial Edicta - Honesty Policy |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:09:21 -0700 |
|
Beginning immediately any citizen who puts false information on a
citizenship application will immediately have their citizenship removed
and will be barred from reapplying for Nova Roman citizenship for a
period of 2 years.
This means an additional spreadsheet will be prepared to house that
information, and can at the discretion of the Censors be published on
the Nova Roma website, since it does not fall under the Lex Cornelia de
Privatus Rebus.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 811 |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 06:17:21 -0700 |
|
It was the regular type of 'you are going to send an email message when you do
this buster,are you sure that's waht you want.' Obviously not exact, buit you get
the idea.
The error message I got is attached. (or pasted-- whatever works quickest. I'm
dressing for work)
Okay, It is cut and paste:
[BEGIN CUT & PASTE}
Subject:
Date:
Mon, 4 Oct 1999 21:20:23 -0400
----IMA15a5110.37f9/mail.novaroma.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Message delivered successfully to <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=123056091213158116036102228219114223071048139" >ger--------cus@--------</a>
----IMA15a5110.37f9/mail.novaroma.org
Content-Type: message/delivery-status
Reporting-MTA: mail.novaroma.org
Original-Envelope-ID: NS40112696JT
Final-Recipient: rfc8222;<a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=123056091213158116036102228219114223071048139" >ger--------cus@--------</a>
Action: delivered
Status: 2.0.0
Origi--------Recipie--------rfc822;<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germa--------s@--------</a>
----IMA15a5110.37f9/mail.novaroma.org
Content-Type: message/rfc822
Received: from avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50] by
mail.novaroma.org with ESMTP
(SMTPD32-5.05) id A10D12A0104; Mon, 04 Oct 1999 21:14:53 -0400
Received: from earthlink.net (dialup-166.90.37.127.SanFrancisco1.Level3.net
[166.90.37.127])
by avocet.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08212;
Mon, 4 Oct 1999 18:14:15 -0700 (PDT)
M--------g--------: <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=158084232212235213148201190240158097155171175001244229173150172205" >37F95065.5317609F@--------</a>
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 18:12:05 -0700
From: Raz-------- <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=194166216056078116169218163036129208" >raz--------@--------</a>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I)
MIME-Version: 1.0
To: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=034075066007127132130232203245129208071" >lusorius@--------</a>, Germanicus <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123056091213158116036102228219114090071048139" >germanicus@n...</a>,
Palladius &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=014158113165056233105223203056129208071" &g--------a--------d@--------&l--------&g--------r>
Subject: Voter Codes
X-Priority: 1 (Highest)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
----IMA15a5110.37f9/mail.novaroma.org--
[END CUT&PASTE]
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:01:46 -0700
> From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
> Subject: Re: Voting
>
> what did the security warning say...and what version of web browser are you
> using?
>
> SF
>
> Razenna wrote:
>
> > I just tried to vote.
> > I entered voter code, marked ballot, clicked on the send button,
> > the security warning came up, I clicked OK, the warning window
> > went away, and that is all that happened. So! Did my vote go
> > through?
> > Is this the way it is working this time? I believe that the last
> > times there
> > was a change in the ballot screen. Did my vote get lost? Did it go
> > through?
> > What? Dang nab it! [quote from Varro the Agriculturist] I don't want
> > to end up not having voted because of some blasted computer thingie!
> > Protegis nos!
> >
> > C. Aelius Ericius.
> > Paterfamilias gens Aelia
> > Senator. Augur. Pontiff.
> > etc.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget.
> > Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already
> > registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here:
> > <a href="http://click.egroups.com/1/2885/4/_/61050/_/956548502/" target="_top" >http://click.egroups.com/1/2885/4/_/61050/_/956548502/</a>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________________________________
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Zena fan? |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:42:35 EDT |
|
In --------ss--------d-------- 4/21/00 4:31:26 PM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=061044104089235135169082190036" >sfp55@--------</--------;
writes:
<< Hey Dex. That would be cool. You a Zena fan? >>
Yep...love Xena!
--Dex
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:48:12 EDT |
|
I would be careful with this Sulla.
What if a trans-gendered or transvestite person wants to be a citizen and
truly identifies with the opposite gender? Should not that person have the
right to call him/herself by a name identified by that gender identification?
--Dex
In a message dated 4/24/00 5:32:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< Beginning immediately all applicants who apply for citizenship in Nova
Roma have their gender consistent with their Roman Name. In other
words, if you are male your Roman name must reflect your physical
gender. Just as if you are female your Roman Name must reflect your
physical gender. Just as the Latin language is gender driven, that
tradition is hereby officially adopted in Nova Roma.
I publish this edicta to as a means of gaining increased credibility for
Nova Roma. So that it sets us apart from Role Playing games societies
(such as other fantasy based micronation and gaming societies
[ancientsites.com]). As our organization grows and gains more worldwide
recognition we need to clarify our true intentions as a true
micronation. This cannot just be done by just the website alone, it
also needs to be illustrated in the laws that govern each of us as
citizens.
This precedent was first established during the Censorship of Decius
Iunius Palladius and Flavius Vedius Germancius. I am hereby publishing
it as Edicta.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor of Nova Roma >>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:47:05 -0400 |
|
Bravo! Well Done, Sulla!
Tacitus
Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:
> Beginning immediately all applicants who apply for citizenship in Nova
> Roma have their gender consistent with their Roman Name. In other
> words, if you are male your Roman name must reflect your physical
> gender. Just as if you are female your Roman Name must reflect your
> physical gender. Just as the Latin language is gender driven, that
> tradition is hereby officially adopted in Nova Roma.
>
> I publish this edicta to as a means of gaining increased credibility for
> Nova Roma. So that it sets us apart from Role Playing games societies
> (such as other fantasy based micronation and gaming societies
> [ancientsites.com]). As our organization grows and gains more worldwide
> recognition we need to clarify our true intentions as a true
> micronation. This cannot just be done by just the website alone, it
> also needs to be illustrated in the laws that govern each of us as
> citizens.
>
> This precedent was first established during the Censorship of Decius
> Iunius Palladius and Flavius Vedius Germancius. I am hereby publishing
> it as Edicta.
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Censor of Nova Roma
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> you receive, manage and pay your bills online with Paytrust.com!
> Stamps, checks and bills in your mailbox are history. Enroll Today!
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Voter Codes |
| From: |
"Jeffrey L. Graham" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045056047121127198187242109140244253188098030046209130" >--------reygraham@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:58:08 +0000 |
|
I lost my voter code when i had to reformat my HD.
Q.Gaufridus Canus
On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:43:16 -0700 Lucius Cornelius Sulla
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------br>
> Salve
>
> If anyone wants to confirm their voter code, please e-mail me and I
> will
> respond as quickly as possible. Also, if you dont have a voter
> code,
> please contact me and I will respond with your correct voter code.
>
> As for the entry of the voter codes on the Cista. Please enter it
> in
> the same way it was given to you. It is case sensitive.
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Censor
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Your high school sweetheart-where is he now? With 4.4 million
> alumni
> already registered at Classmates.com, there's a good chance you'll
> find her here. Visit your online high school class reunion at:
> <a href="http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/4/_/61050/_/956547930/" target="_top" >http://click.egroups.com/1/3139/4/_/61050/_/956547930/</a>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Censorial Edicta - Citizenship Application #2 |
| From: |
George VanDeWater <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=081166234150056086048038203219129208071" >vandewge@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:38:29 -0600 |
|
I would like to be added.
|
| Subject: |
Re: Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy |
| From: |
Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:59:25 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salvete...
>I would be careful with this Sulla.
>
> What if a trans-gendered or transvestite person wants to be a citizen
> and truly identifies with the opposite gender? Should not that
> person have the right to call him/herself by a name identified by
> that gender identification?
>
>--Dex
We already had this one, Dexippe. When I first applied for Citizenship
(almost two years ago) I was not yet all the way 'out', so I submitted
a female (if not especially feminine) Roman name. Since then I have
become increasingly aware of my identity with the male gender.
However, repeated attempts to get my Roman name changed over to match
my self-concept have been met with varying degrees of shock and
disdain. My most recent petition was grievously mishandled by Sulla
Censor before being bluntly dismissed as a 'non-issue', all in a manner
calculated to cause me the most humiliation possible. This in an
organization that claims non-discrimination regardless of race,
ethnicity, creed (as long as you're tolerant), gender, or orientation!
--The incident was the final act in a string of abuses that led to my
departure from Nova Roma.
This same Sulla, who on a whim cognominated himself 'Felix' without
having to go through any magisterial rigmarole whatsoever, has not seen
fit to respond to my repeated offers to continue assisting him with the
Roman-name requests in an unofficial, advisory capacity; though I made
my willingness known even in my resignation letter, as in several
unanswered messages since.
***********************************************************
Lucius Marius Fimbria / Legio VI Victrix |>[SPQR]<|
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |\=/|
Storyteller, Roleplayer Emeritus, ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
Historical Re-Creationist, `\*/, `` }`^~`,,, \ \
and Citizen of Rome ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
'Just a-hangin' around the Universe, | | / )\ \| /
bein' a Roman...it's hard work, but _|_| / _/_| /`(
*somebody's* gotta do it!!' /./..=' /./..'
|
| Subject: |
Trouble at the Cista |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=014130014161146028033082190" >bvm3@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:36:45 +0200 |
|
Salvete Neo-Romani!
I too received that strange "unbalanced" error message
when I tried to send my vote at the cista. I shall try
again, since I am sure I have not been able to register a
vote yet. But, *someone*, please repair this!!! :-(
M. Apollonius Formosanus,
Silesia, Polonia
--
ICQ# 61698049
Si vis omnia tibi subicere, te subice Rationi. (Seneca)
[Se vi deziras subigi chion al vi, subigi vin al Racio.]
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:22:20 EDT |
|
Well then...very bad on Nova Roma.
Gender identification goes far beyond what one has or does not have between
their legs. And we should not seek to legislate the gender of someone's
chosen Roman Name.
There have been Nova Roman citizens in the past who have changed their name
from the one they chose when they applied for citizenship to one they
preferred later. So this should not be used as a basis of discrimination
against someone who has a gender-identity issue.
I can understand Sulla's desire to keep Nova Roma from being a "role playing"
type of forum, but the mere having Roman Names makes this somewhat so.
--Dex
In a message dated 4/24/00 12:02:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> write--------r>
<< We already had this one, Dexippe. When I first applied for Citizenship
(almost two years ago) I was not yet all the way 'out', so I submitted
a female (if not especially feminine) Roman name. Since then I have
become increasingly aware of my identity with the male gender.
However, repeated attempts to get my Roman name changed over to match
my self-concept have been met with varying degrees of shock and
disdain. My most recent petition was grievously mishandled by Sulla
Censor before being bluntly dismissed as a 'non-issue', all in a manner
calculated to cause me the most humiliation possible. This in an
organization that claims non-discrimination regardless of race,
ethnicity, creed (as long as you're tolerant), gender, or orientation!
--The incident was the final act in a string of abuses that led to my
departure from Nova Roma. >>
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Error on Cista |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:22:23 EDT |
|
When I clicked the "submit" button on the Cista page, I got the same
pop-up window warning that I was about to send an email message. When I
clicked "OK" in the window, it went away and the Cista page was not
cleared of my entries, but a blank new message addressed to
"<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=091233219165194209172056175248006208071048" >--------ur----------------</a>;<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=034166250009056116130232203056129208071" >labie--------t...</a>" had bee--------eated i--------aris
Emailer.
On my system, Netscape is configured to use Emailer for sending email. If
this is all that happened when I submitted my votes in the Cista, then my
votes did NOT get sent.
Can anyone confirm that my votes were sent, or not?
IIRC, this has not been a problem in previous elections. Why have we
changed whatever it is we have changed?
L. Sergius Aust.
certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Error on Cista |
| From: |
"Augusti--------ulia Caesaria Noctur--------#34; <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=091176219007018031015158190036129" >--------la@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:47:04 +0100 |
|
Salvete Omnes!
I cannot understand why some people would be having problems with the Cista.
I am recieving the emails as they come in, I have recieved quite a few
already.
For those people who are having trouble, are you voting from behind a
firewall?
If not, do you have a default user set up in Outlook/Outlook Express/
Whatever your default mail system is?
Noct'a
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lucius Corn--------s Sulla" <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
To: "NovaRoma" <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 4:40 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Error on Cista
> My Gens member, Drusus Cornelius Claudius is getting a mailer-daemon
> error when he clicks ok to send the e-mail. Can this be checked?
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Censor
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Error on Cista |
| From: |
Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:38:17 -0500 (CDT) |
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> For those people who are having trouble, are you voting from behind a
> firewall?
> If not, do you have a default user set up in Outlook/Outlook Express/
> Whatever your default mail system is?
Allow me to expand upon that... To successfully use a "mailto:" form,
you must:
- have mail capability in your browser, or the ability to launch
an external mailer (Netscape and IE are both OK with this. So
is lynx.)
- have configured a working email address for yourself, in your
mail agent's setup. (If the address you've placed in your browser/mailer's
setup is fake, it'll probably fail).
- have a SMTP server that is willing to relay for you, and made
your mailer program aware of it. (try "smtp.your-isp-domain.com"
or "mail.your-isp-domain.com")
- be able to connect to this SMTP server from the network you're on.
If you're on a corporate network, there is probably a firewall blocking
outbound connections - you'll need to use the corporate mail server
on that same network. If you still can't connect from work, try from
home (assuming you have a simple ISP dialup from home).
"mailto:" forms are easy to set up on the server, but lead to a lot
of problems on the client side. Before the next election, I will offer
a server-side program to Nova Roma that will eliminate these problems.
M. Octavius Germanicus
Candidate for Curule Aedile
<a href="http://konoko.net/octavius/" target="_top" >http://konoko.net/octavius/</a>
---
Matt Hu--------(<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a>) |
konoko Network Consulting | Microsoft delenda est.
Graveyards of Chicago: |
<a href="http://www.graveyards.com" target="_top" >http://www.graveyards.com</a> |
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Error on Cista |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:47:17 EDT |
|
Salve Augustina Iulia
It appears that the Cista may be set up to generate email automatically
from our Web browsers. That may work for those who have their browsers
configured to do that, but many do not. My seperate email application
created a message to you when I clicked on the "submit" button in the
Cista, but the message contained no information so I didn't send it.
Is the Cista Web page sending you a message containing each person's
votes and just incidentally triggering a message from my mail setup, or
is it depending upon each person's mail setup to send the message?
I would feel better if someone could confirm for me that my votes were
received. I would think that many other citizens who have experienced
peculiarities in the voting process would feel the same way.
L. Sergius Aust.
On 4/24/00 12:47 PM Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
(<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=091176219007018031015158190036129" >--------la@--------</a>) wrote:
>Salvete Omnes!
>
>I cannot understand why some people would be having problems with the Cista.
>
>I am recieving the emails as they come in, I have recieved quite a few
>already.
>
>For those people who are having trouble, are you voting from behind a
>firewall?
>If not, do you have a default user set up in Outlook/Outlook Express/
>Whatever your default mail system is?
>
>Noct'a
certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)
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| Subject: |
voteing *NOT* |
| From: |
w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:30:17 -0700 |
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so the web site *IS STILL* not letting me vote and i still get the Same
error
so what is going on?
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| Subject: |
Voted Twice ... Sorry! |
| From: |
"Robert Williamson" <a href="/post/no--------ma?protectID=194233250056127134015037190036129" >robert@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:37:29 -0400 |
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Salve: I guess I was in too much of a hurry and didn't notice that we vote for two positions for Curulis Aedilis until after I had sent my vote in. I then voted again for both of the citizens up for this position, as I wish to see both obtain this position. My apologies if this causes any problem. Perhaps I shouldn't have done this. ... Appius Marcellus Cato
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| Subject: |
Voted Twice ... Sorry! |
| From: |
"Robert Williamson" <a href="/post/no--------ma?protectID=194233250056127134015037190036129" >robert@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:50:52 -0400 |
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Salve: It wasn't until after I had voted, (I had no trouble voting) ;-) that I realized that I could vote for both candidates for Curulis Aedilis. Then I re-voted for both candidates as I wish to see both of them get this position. Afterwards I realized that this might cause a problem. My deepest apologies for this. I hope there is no problem, I was just rushing too fast with interruptions from people around me as I tried to juggle to many activities at once. ... Appius Marcellus Cato
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:18:19 EDT |
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In --------ss--------d-------- 4/24/00 9:49:53 AM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=114056131009152219130232203140129208071" >dexippus@--------</--------;
writes:
<< I would be careful with this Sulla.
What if a trans-gendered or transvestite person wants to be a citizen and
truly identifies with the opposite gender? Should not that person have the
right to call him/herself by a name identified by that gender identification?
--Dex
>>
Reading ancient law; while having "affiliations" with the same sex was
perfectly acceptable in Roman society, impersonating the opposite sex was
punishable by death. But not for the reasons you may think.. It was viewed
that a woman would only dress as a man in a coup of sorts to gain political
power and that a man would only dress as a woman to avoid the law.
Vale
Iulius Titinius Antonius
Faber est suae quisque fortunae.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Error on Cista |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:20:47 EDT |
|
In a message dated 4/24/00 1:23:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=226107192180229130130232031248147208071048" >LSergAust@--------</--------; writes:
<< but a blank new message addressed to
"<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=091233219165194209172056175248006208071048" >--------ur----------------</a>;<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=034166250009056116130232203056129208071" >labie--------t...</a>" had bee--------eated i--------aris
Emailer. >>
I use AOL mail but essentially the same thing happened.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:41:26 EDT |
|
In a message dated 4/24/00 4:20:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246243113180119209184102159248147208071048" >St--------eck@--------</--------; writes:
<< Reading ancient law; while having "affiliations" with the same sex was
perfectly acceptable in Roman society, impersonating the opposite sex was
punishable by death. But not for the reasons you may think.. It was viewed
that a woman would only dress as a man in a coup of sorts to gain political
power and that a man would only dress as a woman to avoid the law.
>>
Ok...but for those of us still confused on the issue....this is NOVA Roma.
THIS IS NOT ANCIENT ROME! If it was, women would not be able to hold
positions in the government and would still be viewed as property. And we'd
have slaves...lots of them!
In our modern world, there are people who despite the physical
characteristics, identify with the opposite gender. And if they want to call
themselves by a gender-identified name, then they should have the right to do
so...in Nova Roma or outside of it!
--Dexippus / Dexippa
The Flaming Queen of the Capitoline Hill
|
| Subject: |
Proposal for Web Hosting and Development by Octavius |
| From: |
Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:53:11 -0500 (CDT) |
|
On VIII Id Apr MMDCCLIII ab urbe condita, I posted my interpretation
of the role of a Curule Aedile as being responsible for civic
infrastructure. Historically, this included streets, sewers, buildings,
and records. In our new Republic I believe that the web server
should lie within this domain of responsibility. Thus, I now present
my proposal outlining how I wish to improve the NovaRoma.org web
server, and ask that the Senate consider it and grant me permission
to proceed with these plans.
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curule Aedile (Candidate)
- o - o - o -
To the Senate and People of NOVA ROMA, I submit this proposal:
I. To host the NOVAROMA.org web server, providing access to
multiple Webmasters.
II. To create a relational database in which to store information
about citizens and gentes, providing dynamic versions of the
Album Civium and Album Gentium.
III. To provide tools for use by Censors and other magistrates to
maintain the citizen database, and automate the application
process.
IV. To provide a suitable Voting application.
All of these services will be provided free of charge.
== I. To host the NOVAROMA.org web server, providing access to
multiple Webmasters.
I manage several web servers, and, on one of them, can create
"Virtual Servers" and users without limit. I propose to move
www.novaroma.org (with permission of the domain owners, F. Vedius
Germanicus and M. Cassius Julianus) onto one of my servers.
Presently, I can create web servers on a dual-processor Sun
SparcStation-20 located at Ripco.com, a Chicago ISP. This server
is extremely reliable, having twice achieved uptimes of over 300
days without rebooting. I would like to begin developing applications
for Nova Roma on this server as quickly as possible.
Within two months, I will have a 1.544 Mbps SDSL connection at home,
(T1 equivalent speed) and, at that time, would like to move
NovaRoma.org onto a FreeBSD server. The Solaris and FreeBSD
operating systems are both renowned for their reliability,
availability, and security.
The advantages to moving NovaRoma.org to these servers:
- Superior UNIX reliability, as compared to Windows NT
- Multiple accounts for Webmaster and other site maintainers
- The presence of a database server on this machine
- The capability to run programs discussed later in this document
- Hosting will be FREE, and in the house of a professional
developer and system administrator
I will create as many user and group accounts as are needed. There can
be several Webmasters with the ability to edit any document on the site.
Additional accounts can be created for multiple assistant webmasters,
who can be given responsibility for particular documents or sections.
== II. To create a relational database in which to store information
about citizens and gentes, providing dynamic versions of the
Album Civium and Album Gentium
These servers run PostgreSQL, a client/server relational database
system. Such a database can store multiple tables of information
and maintain relationships between them. In a fully relational
database, each piece of information exists in a single location,
and other entities reference it as appropriate.
For example, a "gentes" table will contain a "paterfamilias" field,
which references a particular entry in the "citizens" table. Should
a citizen's email address or other information change, it would need
to be changed only once, in the "citizens" table, and all other
references to that citizen would be automatically updated.
If the Censors will provide to me the data from which the current
Album Civium and Album Gentium are created, I can load these into
the database and build tools for updating it and for viewing it
in HTML format, replacing the current incarnations of these two
pages. This system would consist of the following:
- The data tables within the server.
- Tools for use by the Censors and their assistants, for
editing these tables -- adding/deleting citizens and gentes
and modifying information. These tools would be password
protected.
- "List" pages, accessible by any site visitor, for viewing
public information -- the equivalent of the existing Album
Civium and Album Gentium pages, but generated dynamically and
therefore always up-to-date.
- "Detail View", listing all public information about a particular
citizen or gens: email address, home page, provincia, tribe,
century, instant-messenger codes, past and present magisterial
titles held, status as Senator, Equestrian, Patrician or
Plebeian, etc. (Private information such as phone numbers
would not be included)
- Secure password-protected tools by which a citizen might update
his or her own contact information.
== III. To provide tools for use by Censors and other magistrates to
maintain the citizen database, and automate the application
process.
I will build password-protected tools for use by the Censors and
their assistants to maintain and edit the database of citizens
described above. These tools would be web-based forms, which,
when submitted, will modify the database immediately (and cause
these changes to appear in the Album Civium and Album Gentium
immediately).
The editor tools would allow editing of all information in a
citizen's record: name, gens, contact info, tribe, century &
century points, voter code, etc.
I propose to streamline the Application for NOVA ROMAN Citizenship as
follows:
- Prospective citizen fills out web form similar to existing form,
but with pull-down option boxes for Gens and Provincia (these lists
updated automatically from the database).
- Form is automatically checked for completeness; user prompted to
re-enter missing information if any fields are unacceptable.
- Notification mailed to Censors, and to Paterfamilias if citizen
chooses an existing Gens.
- Database record written -- name, address, email, location, etc.,
all placed in the appropriate columns. Status field indicates that
citizenship has not yet been approved.
- The Censors enter a password-protected area of the site that shows
all citizenship applications pending, and allows them to view each
one in detail, and then:
- Accept this person as a new citizen.
- Request modifications to the application before acceptance.
- Reject the application (deleting it).
In any case, email can be automatically sent (standard form letters,
with the option to include additional text). Notification can also
be sent to Paterfamilias and Provincial Governor, if desired.
- Upon acceptance as a new citizen, the citizen and gentes database
tables will be immediately updated.
IV. To provide a suitable Voting application.
By the time of the next elections, I would like to build a voting
application that would not be mail-based, and would not suffer the
unreliabilities of email, nor require any special configuration of
citizens' browsers.
Citizens, upon filling out the form, would be immediately presented
with a list of whom they had voted for, and notification that their
vote was successfully stored.
The vote would be written to the database. At the close of the
election, the Rogatores would go to a password-protected page that
would list the entire contents of the vote database in tabular
format. Thus, rather than combining potentially hundreds of pieces
of email (in a rather cryptic format) to arrive at the totals, they
can instead see all of the data presented in an easily-read format
on a single page.
== V. Implementation
For the first phase of this project, I would make a complete working
copy of all existing content on the present server. There are a few
forms (such as the citizenship application) that would require
construction of a suitable back-end process. I have written a
highly configurable and flexible form processor, known as
"Question 2.3" and consisting of approximately 15,000 lines of
C++ code, that accepts form input, validates according to
whatever rules are configured and presents error messages if
appropriate, and can then write the contents to databases, files,
and email messages. With this tool, I could build the equivalent
of the existing citizenship application in less than an hour.
Once the Webmasters, the Senate and the Censors are satisfied that
the new site is working, we would contact the name server administrators
to modify the NovaRoma.org address records to point to the new
location.
I would then request from the Censors the current list of citizens
and gentes so that they might be loaded into the database. Building
the dynamic Album Civium and Album Gentium would take less than a
day; editing tools would be available within a few weeks. I'd expect
to have the automated citizenship application and approval process
working within two months. The improved voting system is a small
project that shouldn't take longer than a day to build.
I have been a professional Unix programmer, web developer and sysadmin
for five years. All of the tools I have described above are similar
to projects I have built in the past.
I request that the Senate consider this proposal, discuss the
individual projects presented herein and any changes that are
necessary, and authorize me to begin building the new server and
the programs that will reside upon it. I am confident that I can
improve the reliability and efficiency of the processes of Nova Roma.
Sincerely,
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curule Aedile (Candidate)
---
Matt Hu--------(<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a>) |
konoko Network Consulting | Microsoft delenda est.
Graveyards of Chicago: |
<a href="http://www.graveyards.com" target="_top" >http://www.graveyards.com</a> |
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy |
| From: |
Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:02:09 -0500 (CDT) |
|
On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=114056131009152219130232203140129208071" >dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:
> Ok...but for those of us still confused on the issue....this is NOVA Roma.
> THIS IS NOT ANCIENT ROME! If it was, women would not be able to hold
> positions in the government and would still be viewed as property. And we'd
> have slaves...lots of them!
I agree. Discrimination of any kind needs to be consigned to the dustbin
of history, as we did with slavery and the subjugation of women.
Should a citizen wish to present themselves in a manner inconsistent with
their anatomy, that should be a private matter of no concern to anyone
but the Gods.
M. Octavius Germanicus
--
Matt Hu--------(<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a>) |
konoko Network Consulting | Microsoft delenda est.
Graveyards of Chicago: |
<a href="http://www.graveyards.com" target="_top" >http://www.graveyards.com</a> |
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:08:25 EDT |
|
In --------ss--------d-------- 4/24/00 4:47:17 PM E--------rn D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=114056131009152219130232203140129208071" >dexippus@--------</--------;
writes:
<< Ok...but for those of us still confused on the issue....this is NOVA Roma.
THIS IS NOT ANCIENT ROME! If it was, women would not be able to hold
positions in the government and would still be viewed as property. And we'd
have slaves...lots of them!
>>
Thats exactly my point; because Nova Roma has written into its constitution
"equal rights" accross the board, in a Roman way of thinking there should be
no logical reason to impersonate someone of the opposite sex.
Vale
Iulius Titinius Antonius
Faber est suae quisque fortunae.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 812 |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:20:46 EDT |
|
Salvete Omnes!!
Since I recieve the e-mails on digest form, I'm trying to understand Sulla's
announcement on the Gender Naming Policy. Does this concern upcoming citizens
of Nova Roma or those that are now?
Vale
Aeternia Iulia Caesaria Caelesta Draconia
(who is still waiting on her voter code).
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 14:23:22 -0700 |
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Salve Dex
I understand your concern. However, this precedent was established
under the
Censorship of Flavius Vedius Germancius and Decius Iunius Palladius. I
spoke
with Quintius Fabius when we had our meeting and he and I both felt that
this is
something that we should make an Edicta.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=114056131009152219130232203140129208071" >dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:
> I would be careful with this Sulla.
>
> What if a trans-gendered or transvestite person wants to be a citizen and
> truly identifies with the opposite gender? Should not that person have the
> right to call him/herself by a name identified by that gender identification?
>
> --Dex
>
> In a message dated 4/24/00 5:32:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------/font>
>
> << Beginning immediately all applicants who apply for citizenship in Nova
> Roma have their gender consistent with their Roman Name. In other
> words, if you are male your Roman name must reflect your physical
> gender. Just as if you are female your Roman Name must reflect your
> physical gender. Just as the Latin language is gender driven, that
> tradition is hereby officially adopted in Nova Roma.
>
> I publish this edicta to as a means of gaining increased credibility for
> Nova Roma. So that it sets us apart from Role Playing games societies
> (such as other fantasy based micronation and gaming societies
> [ancientsites.com]). As our organization grows and gains more worldwide
> recognition we need to clarify our true intentions as a true
> micronation. This cannot just be done by just the website alone, it
> also needs to be illustrated in the laws that govern each of us as
> citizens.
>
> This precedent was first established during the Censorship of Decius
> Iunius Palladius and Flavius Vedius Germancius. I am hereby publishing
> it as Edicta.
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Censor of Nova Roma >>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Good friends, school spirit, hair-dos you'd like to forget.
> Classmates.com has them all. And with 4.4 million alumni already
> registered, there's a good chance you'll find your friends here:
> <a href="http://click.egroups.com/1/2885/4/_/61050/_/956584100/" target="_top" >http://click.egroups.com/1/2885/4/_/61050/_/956584100/</a>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Problem with Voting |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:31:31 EDT |
|
For Those With Problems Voting!
After having problems with voting at the cista; I changed my default email
program from America Online to "Outlook Express" which I have set up to run
with o--------f my other email addresses (<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=246243113180119209184102159248006208071048" >StarWreck@--------</a>). I'm pretty
sure that the vote went through this time.
Thanx!
Iulius Titinius Antonius
Faber est suae quisque fortunae.
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| Subject: |
Gender reflection |
| From: |
Donald and Crystal Meaker <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029056113163056209105098072248155208071048" >meakerfam@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:17:17 -0700 |
|
Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:29:35 -0700
From: Lucius Corn--------s Sulla <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>
Subject: Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy
Beginning immediately all applicants who apply for citizenship in Nova
Roma have their gender consistent with their Roman Name. In other
words, if you are male your Roman name must reflect your physical
gender. Just as if you are female your Roman Name must reflect your
physical gender. Just as the Latin language is gender driven, that
tradition is hereby officially adopted in Nova Roma.
<Crys Materna>
I SWEAR I am not trying to start anything here, but I will assume that,
should a member of Nova Roma at some time in the future undergo a sex
change, their name would change to reflect this?
I am thrilled that something has finally been done about this. I don't
have enough confusing things going on I need to try to guess if a member
is male or female.
Then I read :
We already had this one, Dexippe. When I first applied for Citizenship
(almost two years ago) I was not yet all the way 'out', so I submitted
a female (if not especially feminine) Roman name. Since then I have
become increasingly aware of my identity with the male gender.
However, repeated attempts to get my Roman name changed over to match
my self-concept have been met with varying degrees of shock and
disdain. My most recent petition was grievously mishandled by Sulla
Censor before being bluntly dismissed as a 'non-issue', all in a manner
calculated to cause me the most humiliation possible. This in an
organization that claims non-discrimination regardless of race,
ethnicity, creed (as long as you're tolerant), gender, or orientation!
--The incident was the final act in a string of abuses that led to my
departure from Nova Roma.
This same Sulla, who on a whim cognominated himself 'Felix' without
having to go through any magisterial rigmarole whatsoever, has not seen
fit to respond to my repeated offers to continue assisting him with the
Roman-name requests in an unofficial, advisory capacity; though I made
my willingness known even in my resignation letter, as in several
unanswered messages since.
<Crys>
Fimbria, I remember the problem. Are you pre or post operative? Feel
free to answer privately if you wish, I would assume if you are pre, as
soon as you are post, you would simply become Marius again, yes??
Pax vobiscum,
Crys Matrerna
Pax vobiscum,
Crystallina Materna
|
| Subject: |
Gender stuffs |
| From: |
Donald and Crystal Meaker <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029056113163056209105098072248155208071048" >meakerfam@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:33:10 -0700 |
|
Message: 25
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:02:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a>
Subject: Re: Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy
On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=114056131009152219130232203140129208071" >dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:
> Ok...but for those of us still confused on the issue....this is NOVA
Roma.
> THIS IS NOT ANCIENT ROME! If it was, women would not be able to hold
> positions in the government and would still be viewed as property. And
we'd
> have slaves...lots of them!
I agree. Discrimination of any kind needs to be consigned to the dustbin
of history, as we did with slavery and the subjugation of women.
Should a citizen wish to present themselves in a manner inconsistent with
their anatomy, that should be a private matter of no concern to anyone
but the Gods.
M. Octavius Germanicus
<Crys>
I also agree. The problem remains that Nova Roma has never established
exactly HOW "Roman" it was planning to be. Within our household, we are
very old fashioned. Modern technology has helped me get around the head
cover thingie (long story, but neato nonetheless), but I DID cover my
hair before.
With women in office, I would dare say that, while not allowed to hold
office, women had political power BEHIND the scenes. We modern peoples
pathetically underestimate the power of women. Women have had political
power since politics was invented. It's the "You go ahead and vote the
way you'd like dear, but don't be surprised if you don't get none after
your vote is cast!!" style of politics. Happened way back when and
happens now. While women could be sold and/or killed by their husbands
they ruled the home. They had more power than historians give them
credit for.
Nova Roma seems like little more than a role-playing game much of the
time. A lot of it is these silly Roman names we all have. Mostly
because of PCBS. I would support Nova Roma 1,000 percent if I could
believe that the laws and rules and so on and so forth were because of
the beliefs and desires of Her people and NOT because of PCBS. I
confess, some days I just don't know WHAT to think.
I am pleased to see Nova Roma take a stand on the gender issue. At least
I am POSITIVE it is not PCBS because you can't get more politically
INcorrect than that.
I know the edict has been handed down, but I MUST ask -- and and will
exceptions be made for pre/post operatives????
Pax vobiscum,
Crys Materna
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Gender stuffs |
| From: |
Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:08:38 -0500 (CDT) |
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> Nova Roma seems like little more than a role-playing game much of the
> time. A lot of it is these silly Roman names we all have. Mostly
> because of PCBS.
What's "PCBS"?
(I chose my name because I was reading "I, Claudius" at the time...)
M. Octavius Germanicus
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| Subject: |
voteing |
| From: |
w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:51:55 -0700 |
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Salve
Marcus Cornelius Felix here
Nocturnia:
the Error mesgs i get is not from the Firewall from My side it is from
the *WEBSITE*!
vale
Message: 15
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:47:04 +0100
From: "Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia"
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=091176219007018031015158190036129" >--------la@--------</a>
Subject: Re: Error on Cista
Salvete Omnes!
I cannot understand why some people would be having problems with the
Cista.
I am recieving the emails as they come in, I have recieved quite a few
already.
For those people who are having trouble, are you voting from behind a
firewall?
If not, do you have a default user set up in Outlook/Outlook Express/
Whatever your default mail system is?
Noct'a
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| Subject: |
voteing |
| From: |
w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:59:38 -0700 |
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Salve
Marcus Cornelius Felix sends greeting to the list
Message: 16
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:38:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a>
Subject: Re: Error on Cista
> For those people who are having trouble, are you voting from behind a
> firewall?
> If not, do you have a default user set up in Outlook/Outlook Express/
> Whatever your default mail system is?
Allow me to expand upon that... To successfully use a "mailto:" form,
you must:
Felix here : today i have used mailto: on 34 websites ONLY the voteing
system on the NR site not working
- have mail capability in your browser, or the ability to launch
an external mailer (Netscape and IE are both OK with this. So
is lynx.)
Felix:
I use Netacape
- have configured a working email address for yourself, in your
mail agent's setup. (If the address you've placed in your
browser/mailer's
setup is fake, it'll probably fail).
Felix:
all my mail has a file copy to be mailed to me at mailto: startup
- have a SMTP server that is willing to relay for you, and made
your mailer program aware of it. (try "smtp.your-isp-domain.com"
or "mail.your-isp-domain.com")
Felix:
well Duh i have been ON the net for over 18 year *I HELPED WRITE THE
SMTP RFC!* ( and the error is comeing from the website not my
mailer/isp/
- be able to connect to this SMTP server from the network you're on.
If you're on a corporate network, there is probably a firewall blocking
outbound connections - you'll need to use the corporate mail server
on that same network. If you still can't connect from work, try from
home (assuming you have a simple ISP dialup from home).
"mailto:" forms are easy to set up on the server, but lead to a lot
of problems on the client side. Before the next election, I will offer
a server-side program to Nova Roma that will eliminate these problems.
M. Octavius Germanicus
Candidate for Curule Aedile
<a href="http://konoko.net/octavius/" target="_top" >http://konoko.net/octavius/</a>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] voteing |
| From: |
Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:52:53 -0500 (CDT) |
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, william wheeler wrote:
> Marcus Cornelius Felix here
> Nocturnia:
> the Error mesgs i get is not from the Firewall from My side it is from
> the *WEBSITE*!
With a "mailto" form, pressing 'submit' results in contact with a local
mail server -- not with the web site. Any error messages come from
either your local mail server (usually your ISP's machine). This is why
it's working for some people but not others -- different local mail
transports.
M. Octavius Germanicus
Network Geek.
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konoko Network Consulting | Microsoft delenda est.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] voteing |
| From: |
Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:03:53 -0500 (CDT) |
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On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, william wheeler wrote:
Salve Marce Corneli,
> Felix:
> well Duh i have been ON the net for over 18 year *I HELPED WRITE THE
> SMTP RFC!* ( and the error is comeing from the website not my
> mailer/isp/
That particular message wasn't addressed to you -- I was speaking to
all those who were having problems, and just trying to suggest
the many areas where the problem might lie.
And I apologize for disagreeing with your perception of where the
error came from, in response to your other message on the subject.
M. Octavius Germanicus
--
Matt Hu--------(<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a>) |
konoko Network Consulting | Microsoft delenda est.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 24 Apr 2000 19:46:41 -0400 |
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Sulla is right! Let the issue die! If someone is not sure weather they are a man
or woman then they need professional help. I believe that Sulla's decision was
the best one available! It is for the good of Nova Roma--as a whole, not bending
to the special needs of so few.
Tacitus
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=114056131009152219130232203140129208071" >dexippus@--------</--------; wrote:
> In a message dated 4/24/00 4:20:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=246243113180119209184102159248147208071048" >St--------eck@--------</--------; writes:
>
> << Reading ancient law; while having "affiliations" with the same sex was
> perfectly acceptable in Roman society, impersonating the opposite sex was
> punishable by death. But not for the reasons you may think.. It was viewed
> that a woman would only dress as a man in a coup of sorts to gain political
> power and that a man would only dress as a woman to avoid the law.
> >>
>
> Ok...but for those of us still confused on the issue....this is NOVA Roma.
> THIS IS NOT ANCIENT ROME! If it was, women would not be able to hold
> positions in the government and would still be viewed as property. And we'd
> have slaves...lots of them!
>
> In our modern world, there are people who despite the physical
> characteristics, identify with the opposite gender. And if they want to call
> themselves by a gender-identified name, then they should have the right to do
> so...in Nova Roma or outside of it!
>
> --Dexippus / Dexippa
> The Flaming Queen of the Capitoline Hill
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