Subject: Re: [novaroma] Reminder
From: "Doug Barr" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114015211254158209218218186036129208" >dhkbarr@--------</a>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 16:49:35 -0700
Salve Censor

Thank you, I will go and vote. Just to verify, if I'm mistaken and did vote
in the new cista, I assume that my original vote is counted and the second
one not?

Vale
C. Albius Gadelicus


Subject: Re: [novaroma] Reminder
From:
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:09:05 -0700
That I am not certain....to be honest...But if you didnt get a confirmation
number, I am sure you didnt vote at the new Cista. :)

I was the first voter and I got number 42.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
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To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Reminder


> Salve Censor
>
> Thank you, I will go and vote. Just to verify, if I'm mistaken and did
vote
> in the new cista, I assume that my original vote is counted and the second
> one not?
>
> Vale
> C. Albius Gadelicus
>
>
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Subject: Re: [novaroma] Reminder
From: "Doug Barr" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114015211254158209218218186036129208" >dhkbarr@--------</a>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:07:29 -0700
Salve

No worries. I have now done -- or over-done, as the case may be -- my civic
duty, and voted. Since I voted the same way both times, as long as one vote
or other is counted I am a happy little Roman.

Vale
C. Albius Gadelicus


Subject: Re: [novaroma] Reminder
From:
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:28:16 -0700
Excellent our Rogatores should get it shortly. :)

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
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Subject: Re: [novaroma] Reminder


> Salve
>
> No worries. I have now done -- or over-done, as the case may be -- my
civic
> duty, and voted. Since I voted the same way both times, as long as one
vote
> or other is counted I am a happy little Roman.
>
> Vale
> C. Albius Gadelicus
>
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Subject: Roman Religion
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:02:07 EDT
Salve,

I bet most of you all have already found this, but I'll post this anyway.

I strolled into Borders Books tonight, and while passing through the
psychology/self-help section, I found this new book on a display table. It
must be very recent, because it is copyrighted 2000.

Classical Living: Reconnecting With The Rituals Of Ancient Rome, by Frances
Bernstein. {Harper San Francisco}

The books dust jacket identifies the author as a professor of Ancient History
and Archeology, and that she is "an authority on Ancient Rome". It does not
say where she teaches or where she got her PhD. From the intro, I found that
she was involved in research and archeology in Pompeii.

I am not knowledgeable about Roman Religion, and so I have no idea as to the
trustworthiness of this book, but it sure looks interesting. She goes
through the year, using both lunar and solar calendar dates, and tells about
the religious festivals and practices, and offers authentic {she says they
are authentic} forms of these rituals for her readers to use.

I don't know how much of her insights are her own and how much is actually
from Rome. She says on page 7 that she interprets the gods and goddesses for
each month.

I checked my birthday, the Ides of June, and found information about lesser
rites for Minerva, as goddess of flutes and pipes.

She quotes Ovid's Fasti throughout the entire book, as well as other Roman
writers.

You may like this book. I would be interested what others here think.

Gaius Lupinius Festus

Subject: Re:Roman Religion
From:
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:22:27 EDT
Salve Feste,

Thanks very much for the tip on "Classical Living." I, for one had certainly
NOT heard about it until you mentioned it. It sounds like an interesting
title to investigate and perhaps add to my collection. I'll check it out and
apprise you of my thoughts.

Vale,
Acadianus Draco

Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re:Roman Religion
From: Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 21:43:25 -0500 (CDT)
On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=243158113150082031172168000208172253098145044009209130152" >--------i--------dr----------------</--------; wrote:

> Thanks very much for the tip on "Classical Living." I, for one had certainly
> NOT heard about it until you mentioned it. It sounds like an interesting
> title to investigate and perhaps add to my collection. I'll check it out and
> apprise you of my thoughts.

Here it is:

<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0062516248/novaroma00A" target="_top" >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0062516248/novaroma00A</a>

If I've formatted that right, NR will get 10%...

M. Octavius Germanicus

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Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re:Roman Religion
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:46:56 EDT
Why not see if the author of this book can come to Roman Days? She lives in
Bethesda Maryland, about 20 minutes away from me.

Festus

Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re:Roman Religion
From:
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:49:50 -0700
That would be excellent....thats a great idea.... :) Consuls? What can be
done to try and get this done?

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
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Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re:Roman Religion


> Why not see if the author of this book can come to Roman Days? She lives
in
> Bethesda Maryland, about 20 minutes away from me.
>
> Festus
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Subject: Re: [novaroma] Roman Religion
From: "Doug Barr" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114015211254158209218218186036129208" >dhkbarr@--------</a>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:25:52 -0700
Salve

[snip]

> Classical Living: Reconnecting With The Rituals Of Ancient Rome, by
Frances
> Bernstein. {Harper San Francisco}

I'll try to get it -- it certainly sounds interesting. Perhaps in
conjunction with Dumezil's Archaic Roman Religion -- and the Fasti, and De
Natura Deorum, and ... ::laugh:: This is what I love about the Via Romana,
it's so rich in culture.

Thanks for the information.

Vale
C. Albius Gadelicus



Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re:Roman Religion
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:19:40 EDT
In a message dated 4/28/00 10:50:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< Consuls? What can be
done to try and get this done? >>


I emailed the Consuls and sent some information on how they might contact
this author. I think it more appropriate if she were approached by official
representatives of Nova Roma.

Festus

Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re:Roman Religion
From:
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:24:06 -0700
Excellent.....I am sure they will be able to get something going with that.

Sulla Felix
Censor
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From: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re:Roman Religion


> In a message dated 4/28/00 10:50:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------/font>
>
> << Consuls? What can be
> done to try and get this done? >>
>
>
> I emailed the Consuls and sent some information on how they might contact
> this author. I think it more appropriate if she were approached by
official
> representatives of Nova Roma.
>
> Festus
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Subject: Re: [novaroma] Senex
From: "J.D. Porter" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=197233192165082194105056163101081165094048139046" >poeticfiend@--------</a>
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 03:40:43 GMT

Salve,

Ericius isn't trying to tell us he is aged in his title. Senex in the sense
he used it means Senator, from which it came from. The group of elders (old
men) deciding on governing matters became the later Senate.

-Gaius Tullius
Praetor et Senex



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>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Senex
>Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:27:47 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Senex--Old man or aged--My handy little Oxford Latin dictonary from
>Madiera.
>
>Marcus Audens
>
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Subject: Re: Classical Living the Amazon.com Way
From:
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:41:41 EDT
Salve, Germanice!

> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0062516248/novaroma00A" target="_top" >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0062516248/novaroma00A</a>

Worked perfectly. Ordered and on the way (electronically speaking). THANKS
for all the footwork in providing the information.

Vale,
Acadianus Draco

Subject: To Audens and All Others
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:45:48 EDT
Salve Marcus Audens,

I too would like to find common ground and bury the hatchet, and I would
also like for all of us to be friends. So I will say here publically, though
admitedly late, that I apologise to any and all here who were offended by my
remark that the gods do not exist, and for calling the now departed Dex a
"spoiled brat". I will in the future be extra careful in all my posting here
and try not to let my more wild side get away with me!

In addition to the above, I will also go through this new book on the
religio by Frances Bernstein over the calander year and explore the religio
from within, so as to see what it means to the practioners on the personal
level.

I noticed in reading the responses to my goals/dreams post that many of
these ideas have publishing in common. One lady would like a standard Latin
and perhaps a course offered. You have a dream of a treatise on Engineering.
For my own part, I want to take a year or two to go through Plato,
Aristotle, and the Roman thinkers such as Plautius and contribute
philosophical posts and information on these thinkers. The Eagle is the key
that may in turn develop into a Nova Roma Publishing house. Maybe this could
be a logical next step, building the Eagle into a major publication. I will
send my subscription check tomorrow.

I will also keep your list of ideas and see what I can do to help out.

Can we start over on the right foot?

Gaius Lupinius Festus



Subject: Re: To Festus and all others
From:
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:03:07 EDT
Salve Feste! Salvete Omnes!

Feste, if I ever reach the level of maturity where I can manifest the traits
of Dignitas and Virtus as nobly as you have, I will feel that I have
accomplished something of which I can be proud. You've given some of us a
pretty high target to aim for ... and I, for one, am both humbled and very
grateful to you. Thank you for demonstrating to me what I would like to be
like.

>The Eagle is the key that may in turn develop into a Nova Roma Publishing
house. >Maybe this could be a logical next step, building the Eagle into a
major publication.

I have just finished chatting with one of our fellow citizens. Part of the
discussion revolved on increasing awareness of Nova Roma. I think you have
offered a very promising suggestion indeed. Great idea, and I think it
deserves some serious discussion and consideration.

Vale bene,
Acadianus Draco

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Subject: Re: [novaroma] Joining us in Pompeii
From:
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:45:54 -0500
Salve! Sapiens et ridiculus magister. Bonum res est, meus amicus es. Scio
iocus est. Nina cogitat, de ea in secreto dicamus. OK EST! Non timeo. Nina
leones amat. Non timet. Haha!

Quid cogitas, Novi Romani ab mea ephemere audiunt?

Vale bone amice!
Rufa Tormentrix
Mile Romae
Ferrum Romae fero

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>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Joining us in Pompeii
>Date: Fri, Apr 28, 2000, 12:42 AM
>

> Euge Hibernice,
>
> Cool! I like the guy in the front row -- or, more appropriately, omnibus
> animo agitatis, I like his team. :o)
>
> (Noli timere, Rufa amica; iocus est! Nina me leones diligere scit.)
>
> Valete, Legio Fortissime,
>
> Acadianus Draco
>
>
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Subject: Re: [novaroma] A Proposal for Legislation
From: "Chad Kieffer" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=219202020056021131184218141036129208" >--------ffe@--------</a>
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:08:03 -0500

"According to the Institute for the Study of American Religion, Neopaganism
is the fastest growing religion in the United States."
_A Sourcebook for the Community of Religions: the Council for a Parliament
of the World's Religions_. Joel Beversluis, ed. pp. 101.

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To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] A Proposal for Legislation


> In a message dated 4/27/00 8:55:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=014130014161146028033082190" >bvm3@--------</a>
> writes:
>
> << Neopaganism is, as a matter of objective fact, growing by leaps and
> bounds. >>
>
> I would be interested in a source for this.
>
> Here in the US, adherents of "new religions" which would include
neo-pagans
> grew from 0.1% to 0.2% of the population, in a 30 year period,from
mid-1970
> to projected mid-2000. {Brittanica 1998 Book of the Year}
>
> Gaius Lupinius Festus
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Subject: Re: [novaroma] Senex
From: "Augusti--------ulia Caesaria Noctur--------#34; <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=091176219007018031015158190036129" >--------la@--------</a>
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 08:49:48 +0100
Salve!



> Salve,
>
> Ericius isn't trying to tell us he is aged in his title. Senex in the
sense
> he used it means Senator, from which it came from. The group of elders
(old
> men) deciding on governing matters became the later Senate.


Hey no way, let's keep it as aged!

*impish grin at her Brother Eri*


Noct'a

>
> -Gaius Tullius
> Praetor et Senex
>
>
>
> >From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>
> >Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> >To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> >Subject: [novaroma] Senex
> >Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:27:47 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> >Senex--Old man or aged--My handy little Oxford Latin dictonary from
> >Madiera.
> >
> >Marcus Audens
> >
> >Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
> >
> >
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Subject: Gladiator Demonstration
From: Helena <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=165158192237078153036181001245114223071048139" >oceanlilly@--------</a>
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:30:01 -0400 (EDT)
Salvete.

On Friday our esteemed Consul Quintus Fabius and I attended
a gladiator demonstration at the University of Southern
California. It was put on by the gens Troica and the Univers
-ity Classics Club. Fabius filmed it on camera and he will
give a detailed description of the fights themselves. Acting
as "lenista" was Secundus Troicus Ductor. Our "undefeated
champion" was Lucius Troicus Paganus. Their fellow students
formed the rest of the team. We also had some spectators. :)

Fabius gave an introductory speech explaining Nova Roma to
those unfamiliar with it. With head covered, I performed the following consecration prayer:

"Father Ianus I invite you to the games of the Roman people"
"Iuppiter I invite you to the games of the Roman people"
"Flora I invite you to the games of the Roman people"

"Father Ianus I pray to you with good prayers so that you
are propitious to the Roman people"
"Iuppiter I pray to you with good prayers so that you are
propitious to the Roman people"
"Flora be honored by these games which I dedicate to you for
the health of the Roman people"

(I am told that Pontiff Graechus wrote this so I must give credit to him.)

With each of the 5 pairs, the gladiators saluted me as
Praetor with:
"Ave Praetor, Te Moritvri Salvtant"
I had the awesome responsiblity of being the judge (!) and
I gave the thumbs-up to 2 of our fallen gladiators. ;)

As I said, Fabius will be posting with all the actual
"fighting" details but this is the outline and this was my
part in it. I want to thank the gens Troica for all their
hard work, energy and enthusiasm. I learned a lot and I had
a great time! :)

-Helena Cornelia Ovidia Equitia
Propraetrix of California
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Subject: Pics
From:
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:54:35 -0700
Salvete Omnes

I am posting 3 pics on the Nova Roma shared files website.

Pic 1 - Is a pic of Helena, myself and the two members of the Gens
Trocia next to a statute of Floria.

Pic 2 - Is a pic of the turnout at the meeting.

Pic 3 - the 5 members of the Gens Cornelia.

In all of the pics Q. Fabius was taking the pictures...hopefully soon we
will get some pics of him up there. :)

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor


Subject: Munus to Flora (Long)
From:
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 06:15:05 EDT
Salvete Conscript Fathers and Citizens!

The following is a report of the Games consecrated to Flora on the grounds of
the University of Southern California, Los Angeles, Province of CA.
Originally this report was to be drafted for the Senate of Nova Roma, but
after the event was concluded I thought the populace should hear of it as
well.

Nova Roma was represented at the games by the Praetor of CA, Helena Cornelia
Ovidia, as well as visiting from Rome the Senior Consul of Nova Roma, Quintus
Fabius Maximus. (Let me hasten to explain. I have used the convention of
when I'm on the keyboard of my computer I'm in Rome, and when I'm away I'm
in the province of CA. It's crazy but it maintains protocols.)
To continue, the Munus was being sponsored by Gens Troicus, the Paterfamilias
S.
Troicus Ductor, assembling the fighters and paying for their weapons and
armor.

The plan was to use several types of fighters. All were represented except
the Retiarius (Net fighter) and the Hoplochumas (heavy armed fighter).

While armor was cardboard and padding, and weapons PCV pipe, bound with
padding, secured with duct tape, Gens Troicus did a credible appearance to
our troupe of Gladiators. Hard hats masked with feet of cardboard secured by
duct tape complete with face guards topped off with feathery plumes added the
final realistic appearance of the funeral men.


Rules were simple. There were to be no blows to the head, (they were scared
those beautiful helmets would be wrecked and they had no replacements) no
blows
below the belt, strikes to lower thigh and leg were allowed only.
S. Troicus acted as the overseer to make sure that these rules were followed.

Praetor Helena Cornelia would act as editor, and Fabius would record the
event on video.

Helena Cornelia read the formulae written by Pontiff Antonius Gryllus Graecus
that would consecrate the Gladitors blood, sweat and energy to Flora, and
then the fighting commenced.
(By this time Fabius had bored the audience to death about Nova Roma's purpose
and had commented about the religion and Flora's part in it, so the small but
enthusiastic crowd was really ready for some action.)

Ist Pair was a Thracian, (Mus) vrs a Secutor (Crudelis.)
Thracians wear little armor, carrying a small 6" round shield, depending on
speed for survival while a Secutor does what his name implies. He chases.
He is heaver armored with a standard Roman scutum. Also like the Legiones he
is armed with a Gladius Hispanicus, the Spanish short sword. The Thracian is
armed with a Sicca, a machete like weapon.
Mus was very quick, scuttling back and forth while the slower Crudelis tried

spin keeping his front to Mus. (His back was unprotected) Every time Mus
tried to close with Crudelis he got a poke for his pains. Five pokes would
mean a loss since after five touches it would be assumed the Gladiator would
be too wounded and weak from loss of blood to continue. After the third poke
Mus changed his plans. He slid his small shield against the larger one and
pushed. This caused the larger rectangular shield to spin on its grip or
"table," opening a gap that allowed Mus to slide his sicca through and lop
off Crudelis' arm. Well, not really, but Crudelis couldn't continue. He
asked for a decision, the bloodthirsty crowd wanted "thumbs down" but the
noble Helena Cornelia as editor indicated mercy. Of course she got her way,
the crowd murmuring as Crudelis left through the gate of life.

Next Pair was a Leves (Fletus) vrs a Thracian (Perditor)
Leves are a reminder to the people of Rome of the time during the monarchy,
when the poorest class of the city would cover the advance of the Legio.
They are armed only with a javelin.
Leves usual fought naked but Fletus demured to disappointment of the women in
the crowd.
Perhaps it would have been better if he had. He would have put on a better
show.
As it was he was killed in less then 50 seconds, the final blow of the sicca
splitting his bony chest.

While his corpse was being dragged away the next pair entered the sands.
This was Secutor (Gallus) vrs Thracian (Graeculus)
A spirited fight followed, Graeculus running away taunting his Gaulic
opponent while trying to hamstring him. However a lucky blow to the leg
slowed Graeculus down allowing the Secutor to catch and drop him to the sand
with a vicious blow that shattered Graeculus' helmet like it was an eggshell.

While Charon removed the poor Greek from the sands, the 4th pair entered.
This was the main event. Both were Secutors. Both had never been defeated.
The one named Ardens had an additional advantage. He was left handed.
Big Paganus the German had won most of his fights by outlasting his
opposition.
Ardens was not only close to the same size, but was perhaps a little faster.
It promised to be a great match.
After the salute the fighters began. Paganus drew first blood when he nicked
Ardens leg, Ardens returned the favor when he sliced into Paganus shoulder.
Ardens next drove his sword into Paganus thigh, and Paganus opened a cut on
Ardens chest. Ardens cut a thigh but lost his sword in process. The next
few seconds were exciting as Paganus chased the weaponless Ardens around the
Arena, trying to finish him, while Ardens tried to reclaim his sword.
Finally after taking a cut to the back the nimble Ardens was able to grab his
sword. The crowd cheered. The next touch would the fifth and fatal one.
Both men paused to catch their breath. Then Ardens feinted and threw a cut
to the collarbone, it glanced off Paganus shield, and Paganus slashed open
Ardens throat in the follow through.
Hades! I lost money on that one.

The 5th Pair again consisted of a pair of Secutors. Crudelis was pronounced
fit for one more fight, so Gallus was paired with him. Both circled jabbing
and throwing effectual blows, until Crudelis no doubt remembering the way he
lost, did the same thing to Gallus. His shield arm severed, Gallus asked for
mercy. The editor gave it to him. Victory to Crudelis.

So ended our brief celebration to Flora. Gens Troicus should be commended
for their clever adaptation of allowing Gladiators to combat. I'd also like
to thank the USC Classics club, and USC Classics department for allowing us
to attend. I would also like to thank Helena Cornelia for allowing me to
visit her province for a day and being such a gracious host. We have to say
this experiment was a success and we plan to hold another in later summer.
It's too bad that Senators are not allowed to fight in the arena, otherwise
I'd think of giving this a go myself. I was quite a left handed belted
fighter in my SCA days. After I edit the video, I'll post stills from it.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

Subject: Re: [novaroma] Joining us in Pompeii
From: "S--------dan/ Hibernicus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a>
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:07:00 -0000
--- In <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>, Decuria@t... wrote:
> Salve! Sapiens et ridiculus magister. Bonum res est, meus amicus
es. Scio
> iocus est. Nina cogitat, de ea in secreto dicamus. OK EST! Non
timeo. Nina
> leones amat. Non timet. Haha!
>
> Quid cogitas, Novi Romani ab mea ephemere audiunt?
>
> Vale bone amice!
> Rufa Tormentrix



But are you going to send a photo?

Hibernicus



Subject: Re: [novaroma] Munus to Flora
From: "J.P." <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045154104003194091033082" >jpp@--------</a>
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:35:00 -0700
Salvete Quintus Fabius et Helena Cornelia-

> (By this time Fabius had bored the audience to death about Nova Roma's purpose
> and had commented about the religion and Flora's part in it, so the small but
> enthusiastic crowd was really ready for some action.)

We have a new citizen in our gens, so it couldn't have been that boring
;-) He is one of Friday's gladiators (the Levis) who speaks Latin and
Greek, and he is very interested in Nova Roma. I'll announce him when his
name gets approved.

Thank you for shooting the event and helping out with the design and
such. The success of the event was to a large part due to some last-minute
tips on design when Quintus visited to take a look at the rough drafts for
the weapons.

Also, thanks to Helena for being a fantastic (and merciful) Editor at
the games. Yours and Quintus' prescence really made our gens feel like a
part of Nova Roma.

I have pictures taken from the work and design phases that when
developed will show what a long way they had to come before they were
suitable for use in the arena.

Now I'm off to clean up the "workshop" - my apartment which is awash in
insulation, cardboard, paint, and 4" lengths of PVC.

Valete,

S. Troicus Ductor
Lanista


Subject: Re: [novaroma] Munus to Flora LEVES ?
From: "M G" <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a>
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 20:17:36 +0300

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Sent: sabato, 29 aprile, 2000 13.15
Subject: [novaroma] Munus to Flora (Long)


> Salvete Conscript Fathers and Citizens!
>
> The following is a report of the Games consecrated to Flora

> Next Pair was a Leves (Fletus) vrs a Thracian (Perditor)
> Leves are a reminder to the people of Rome of the time during the
monarchy,
> when the poorest class of the city would cover the advance of the Legio.
> They are armed only with a javelin.
> Leves usual fought naked but Fletus demured to disappointment of the women
in
> the crowd

LEVES ??????????????????????????

The Velites were the ligth armed roman soldiers
having javelins and sometimes a sword.

Marcus Prometheus








Subject: Re: [novaroma] Munus to Flora LEVES ?
From:
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:10:22 EDT
In a message dated 4/29/2000 11:53:33 AM Paci--------Daylight Time, <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a>
writes:

<< Velites were the ligth armed roman soldiers
having javelins and sometimes a sword. >>

True Marcus Prometheus. However during the monarchy and the early republic
while Rome still used the hoplite phalanx as their organization the poorest
civies would cover its advance. This were called leves.
Vale
Q. Fabius