Subject:	Kalends Announcement
From:	Jennifer E Hunt <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=194176114182127134138038203001129208071" >riturtle@--------</a>
Date:	Mon, 1 May 2000 20:38:22 -0400

Salvete, omnes!

Die quinti te kalo Iuno Covella

(I announce you Iuno Covella of the 5th day)


Jenni Hunt
a/k/a Ivlia Ovidia Lvna
Pontifex et Aedile Plebis, Nova Roma
Rhode Island Provincial Legate

Subject:	Reminder to Vote
From:
Date:	Mon, 01 May 2000 17:48:40 -0700

Salvete Omnes...

Just another reminder to vote..and if you need Voter Codes, I am the one
you -------- to co--------t privately. Either at <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=137056234112193209090218066036129208" >Ce--------s@--------</a> or
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

Subject:	Reminder to Vote
From:
Date:	Mon, 1 May 2000 21:00:03 EDT

In a message dated 5/1/2000 5:54:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a> writ--------br>
Salvete!

A reminder to all citizens to vote if you hadn't done so already.
The poll closes at 6 PM PDT (12:00 AM Rome) tomorrow.

If you need your Voter Code, the Censor, L. Cornelius Sulla is the one
you will have to contact. He can be reached either at
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=137056234112193209090218066036129208" >Ce--------s@--------</a> or
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=243128192154082190130232203077129208071" >al--------us@--------</a>.

I have voted. Have you?

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus

Subject:	Who is he?
From:
Date:	Mon, 1 May 2000 22:09:15 EDT

Who is Oliver Reed???

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Who is he?
From:
Date:	Mon, 01 May 2000 19:12:37 -0700

I really dont know who he is but you might want to go to www.imdb.com.
Thats the Internet Movie Database. They would give you a listing of every
move and TV show he was on.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Who is he?
From:
Date:	Tue, 02 May 2000 00:26:22 -0400

He is friend of Waldo ;)



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Subject:	TO: Iulius Titinius Antonius
From:	w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a>
Date:	Mon, 01 May 2000 23:34:26 -0700

Salve Iulius Titinius Antonius
Marcus Cornelius Felix Pontitff sends you greeting
email me and tell me how I can help?
vale

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Who is he?
From:	Guido Costantini <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230128180163056135105082190036" >--------e@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 02 May 2000 10:30:52 +0200

At 22.09 01/05/00 EDT, you wrote:
>Who is Oliver Reed???
>


Hi all

Oliver reed is, or rather was (I think he died last year), an pretty
important english actor.. he starred in several movies and in lot of
theatre plays (expecially Shakespeare)... amazingly, the only one coming to
my mind atm is a version of the "three masketeers" where he played Athos.

Regards

GC


PS
still looking for anitalian gens... after having sent out several emails,
i'm starting to wonder if there is a single one active...again, anyone
checking this list?

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Who is he?
From:
Date:	Tue, 02 May 2000 01:59:58 -0700

> PS
> still looking for anitalian gens... after having sent out several emails,
> i'm starting to wonder if there is a single one active...again, anyone
> checking this list?
>

What is "anitalian" gens?

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Capite Velato
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 2 May 2000 10:18:06 +0100

Salve C. Albi Gadelice

>Not having been paid recently -- ergo, having currently no money to blow on
>yet more lovely books :) -- I'm wondering if the citizens on this list can
>define for me when one should be capite velato. Capite velato is a
>specifically Roman thing, as far as I can tell -- neither the Greeks nor
the
>Celts seem to have done it.
Exactly. In Rome there were two types or rite: Ritus Romanus and Ritus
Graecus. Both were Roman types and the Ritus Graecus should be simply
regarded as a way to emphasize the Greek character of some deities (e.g.
Apollo, Saturnus). The Ritus Romanus was accomplished 'capito velato' or
'cincto Gabino' (the latter refers to the way the toga was worn to cover the
head), while the Ritus Graecus was acconplished 'capito aperto'. Other
details distinguished the two types of rite, but this was the main
difference.

>I notice that one need not be capite velato in the performance of the daily
>lararium rite, but in the rites for the Kalends, Nones, and Ides, it is
>required.
>I had *thought*, therefore, that for rituals involving the major deities,
or
>public rituals, that capite velato is required, but not for rites involving
>only the Lares and Di Penates.
In fact one should be capite velato for all those rites. That's probably a
bug.

>Then I read that various emperors had such gods as Iuppiter as "Di
Penates,"
>and therefore concluded that, besides the "small gods" of the storerooms,
>"Di Penates" means "hearth-gods" and by extension the tutelary
deity/deities
>of the familia or gens are included.
>So, if I'm doing a private rite for, e.g. Iuppiter as a "Deus Penatis" (?)
>of my familia/gens, should I be capite velato or not?
You should. But if you are offering particularly (ATTN: Not as Dii Penates)
to Apollo, Iuppiter, Hercules, you should not.

Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: "Pagan Martyrs"
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 2 May 2000 10:20:16 +0100

Salve

There are indeed Pagan Martyrs. The most sound - I believe - was Hipatia of
Alexandria murdered by Cirilo. Her death was a big loss for science and
philosophy.

Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] To Audens and All Others
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 2 May 2000 10:21:46 +0100

Salve Festus

I extend my arm to you for an handshake. Welcome to Nova Roma, philosopher!

Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus



-----Original Message-----
From: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Saturday, April 29, 2000 4:46 AM
Subject: [novaroma] To Audens and All Others


>Salve Marcus Audens,
>
> I too would like to find common ground and bury the hatchet, and I would
>also like for all of us to be friends. So I will say here publically,
though
>admitedly late, that I apologise to any and all here who were offended by
my
>remark that the gods do not exist, and for calling the now departed Dex a
>"spoiled brat". I will in the future be extra careful in all my posting
here
>and try not to let my more wild side get away with me!
>
> In addition to the above, I will also go through this new book on the
>religio by Frances Bernstein over the calander year and explore the religio
>from within, so as to see what it means to the practioners on the personal
>level.
>
> I noticed in reading the responses to my goals/dreams post that many of
>these ideas have publishing in common. One lady would like a standard
Latin
>and perhaps a course offered. You have a dream of a treatise on
Engineering.
> For my own part, I want to take a year or two to go through Plato,
>Aristotle, and the Roman thinkers such as Plautius and contribute
>philosophical posts and information on these thinkers. The Eagle is the
key
>that may in turn develop into a Nova Roma Publishing house. Maybe this
could
>be a logical next step, building the Eagle into a major publication. I
will
>send my subscription check tomorrow.
>
>I will also keep your list of ideas and see what I can do to help out.
>
>Can we start over on the right foot?
>
>Gaius Lupinius Festus
>
>
>
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>
>
>

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Capite Velato
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 2 May 2000 10:35:02 +0100

Salve

>You should. But if you are offering particularly (ATTN: Not as Dii Penates)
>to Apollo, Iuppiter, Hercules, you should not.
I wanted to say Apollo, Saturnus, Hercules.
Iuppiter is of course honoured capite velato.


Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Who is he?
From:
Date:	Tue, 2 May 2000 08:47:23 EDT

Et post scriptum ...

> Oliver reed is, or rather was (I think he died last year), an pretty
> important english actor.. he starred in several movies and in lot of
> theatre plays (expecially Shakespeare)... amazingly, the only one coming to
> my mind atm is a version of the "three masketeers" where he played Athos.

*Please* don't forget his role as the furry "hero" in that immortal classic,
"Curse of the Werewolf" -- or his role as Bill Sikes in "Oliver!" (Or maybe,
we *should* forget at least the former, in honour of his memory...)

Valete,
Ac.Draco

Subject:	Re: "Pagan Martyrs" con't.
From:
Date:	Tue, 2 May 2000 09:07:16 EDT

Salve Graece, et Omnes

> There are indeed Pagan Martyrs. The most sound - I believe - was Hipatia of
> Alexandria murdered by Cirilo. Her death was a big loss for science and
> philosophy.

I have been looking into this for a fellow citizen as well and stumbled
across the following in Gibbon's "Rise & Fall" (Vol. 5, at 144):

"[Under the reign of Justinian] [a] secret remnant of pagans, who still
lurked in the most refined and most rustic conditions of mankind, excited the
indignation of the Christians, who were, perhaps, unwilling that any
strangers should be the witnesses of their intestine quarrels. A bishop was
named as the inquisitor of the faith, and his diligence soon discovered, in
the court and city, the magistrates, lawyers, physicians, and sophists, who
still cherished the superstition of the Greeks [i.e., paganism]. They were
sternly informed that they must choose without delay between the displeasure
of Jupiter or Justinian, and that their aversion to the Gospel could no
longer be disguised under the scandalous mask of indifference or impiety.
The patrician Photius perhaps alone was resolved to live and to die like his
ancestors; he enfranchised himself with the stroke of a dagger, and left his
tyrant the poor consolation of exposing with ignominy the lifeless corpse of
the fugitive."

Not *precisely* the "Martyr's Crown" as we have been brainwashed to think of
it, but touching nonetheless. And I rather like the image of "lurking
pagans"....

Let's find some more pagan "saints" if we can. I think we owe it to their
memory, no?

Valete,
Acadianus Draco

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Who is he?
From:	"S--------dan/ Hibernicus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 02 May 2000 14:38:45 -0000

--- In <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>, acadianusdraco@a... wrote:
> Et post scriptum ...
>
> > Oliver reed is, or rather was (I think he died last year), an
pretty
> > important english actor.. he starred in several movies and in
lot of
> > theatre plays (expecially Shakespeare)... amazingly, the only
one coming to
> > my mind atm is a version of the "three masketeers" where he
played Athos.
>
> *Please* don't forget his role as the furry "hero" in that immortal
classic,
> "Curse of the Werewolf" -- or his role as Bill Sikes in "Oliver!"
(Or maybe,
> we *should* forget at least the former, in honour of his memory...)
>
> Valete,
> Ac.Draco

He died during the filming of Gladiator, boozing in a local bar,
chasing women... He died as he lived.

Hibernicus

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Who is he?
From:	Guido Costantini <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230128180163056135105082190036" >--------e@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 02 May 2000 16:45:18 +0200

Heya


"An Italian" ... as, a gens phisically located in Italy, possibly in Rome,
my city. Tried to send emails to the email addresses of the various gens
listed in the album gentium and at the one supposedly leading the
provincia, but no answers at all (two were not working at all and i
reported it to the keeper of the website).

Regards

GC



At 01.59 02/05/00 -0700, you wrote:
>> PS
>> still looking for anitalian gens... after having sent out several emails,
>> i'm starting to wonder if there is a single one active...again, anyone
>> checking this list?
>>
>
>What is "anitalian" gens?
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>Censor

Subject:	Huh?
From:
Date:	Tue, 2 May 2000 10:56:28 EDT

Salvete Omnes,

I have a dreadful foreboding that in a previous post about Pagan Martyrs, I
wrote "Rise & Fall" instead of "Decline & Fall." Apart from wondering what
neuron misfired to cause me to do that (The Movie Neuron, I suspect, which
had been momentarily activated by the Oliver Reed discussion), I shall trust
in Blessed Fortuna that NO ONE will make any pointed remarks about the
obscure mental process that led me to such a lapsus inanis .... :o)

I suppose I had best go to work now and see if I can cause some *real*
trouble....

Vobis optima omnia,
Ac. Draco

Subject:	ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem VII Nonas Mai (May 1st)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 2 May 2000 15:58:45 +0100

Salvete omnes

I've return today from weekend. Yet, I'd like to post something that should
have been posted yesterday.

The Kalendas Mai (May 1st) was a dies nefastus publicus (NP), a day for
special religious
observance on which no legal action or public business can take place.

The Pontifex Iunia Ovidia Luna has performed the traditional ritual of the
Kalendas, invoking Iuno Covella. This ritual was posted to our mailing
lists.
The month of Maius is dedicated to Godess Maia, the deified growth. That's
why this month is dedicated to the old and the dead, also identified with
Tellus (Earth) and Bona Dea. In fact, the Earth is the home of the dead. As
such, besides Maia, the Kalendas Mai (May 1st) honour the Lares Praestites
or Lares Publici (Genii (guardian spirits) of Rome and the Romans).

A sacrifice of a a pregnant sow to Maia is performed by the Flamen
Volcanalis. In fact Volcanus is sometimes associated with Maia which is
often called Maia Volcani. This association is not a surprise, given the
identification between Maia and Tellus.

Kalendas Mai is also the aniversary of the dedication of the temple of Bona
Dea on the Aventine Hill. This temple was dedicated (i.e. was made sacred
property) by a Vestal. The fact that it was "near the rock" (of the
Aventine) is the reason Bona Dea has the epithet of Subsaxana. During this
celebration, we pray to Bona Dea to avert earthquakes. The cult of Bana Dea
is matronal, and only women are allowed in the rites, which are assisted by
the Vestals.

This was also the 4th day of the Floralia.

Pax Deorum vobiscum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex

Subject:	Pagan Martyrs
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 2 May 2000 11:11:27 -0400 (EDT)

Salve, Ac Draco;

I for one enjoyed hugely your excellent piece regarding the subject.
Several comments have crossed my mind regarding the Christian Church,
but I have managed only with the dint of great self-possessiveness to
keep them behind my teeth!!

If that small error is the only mistake you ever make, in bringing the
Onelist such entertaining material, you have nothing to fear from ths
most appreciative reader!!!

Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Subject:	Fw: [CollegiumPontifa] Defining Religio
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 2 May 2000 17:57:18 +0100

Salvete omnes

After the request of a coleague Pontifex, I'm forwarding the following
statement which was part of a discussion thread. I personally assume all the
responsibility for these statements.

Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus

-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Grilo <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:CollegiumPontifa@--------" >CollegiumPontifa@--------</a> <a href="mailto:CollegiumPontifa@--------" >CollegiumPontifa@--------</a>
Date: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [CollegiumPontifa] Defining Religio


>Salvete Ivlia Ovidia Lvna et al
>

Ovidia Luna:
>>The Meakers speak of "faith," which, I admit, may not be the best choice
>>of words. I think a large part of their frustration stems from the fact
>>that they want to be involved in the Religio as part of their lives'
>>spiritual journey, not from a political or reconstructionist standpoint.

Graecus:
>Razenna has already told important things about "faith" and "belief", and I
>subscribe to his thoughts. You talk about the "Religio Romana", and seem to
>identify it with a "spiritual" way of life. Is your idea about the Religio
>the most correct? My answer is a question: Religio Romana where and when?
>The Religio Romana is many things.
>
>-Time: Republic (lets not go earlier). Place: Rome.
>The Gods are the patrons. The humans are their clients. The Gods help
humans
>if humans give them what they want: honour and sacrifice. The Gods are not
>in spiritual contact with humans. The Gods share "physical" things with
>humans: banquets and games with humans. The rage of the Gods also manifest
>physically: storms, earthquakes, strange sounds. Divination requires no
>spiritual contact: the auspices can be taken by anyone who follows the
right
>procedures. Sacrifice does not require spiritual contact: sacrifice can be
>performed by anyone who follows the right procedures. Note that during this
>period (and this view was kept until well withing the Empire) RELIGIO IS
>POLITICS. The Gods have their rights defined by the law as any citizen
would
>have. The Gods are CITIZENS OF ROME.
>Some FOREIGN elements start to introduce more spirituality, such as the
cult
>of Bachus. Nevertheless, the Romans regard these cults with suspicion,
>sometimes calling them supersticious. In 186 BC, when the priestess of
>Bachus tryed to intoduce a more deep contact with Bachus during the
>bachanalia, she was accused of being a cheater and lier, and the Senate
>forbade the bacchanalia. What about Cybele? In order to be Romanized, Her
>cult had to split. The traditional celebrations, including the performances
>of the Galli DID NOT figure on the calendar. Only the Megalesia which had
>TRADITIONAL ROMAN rites was an official festival.
>> I still
Ovidia Luna
>>feel that the downfall of Rome began when Romans lost sight of the
>>importance of spirituality, community, and family.
Graecus:
>Me too. But... It was surely not during this period. Note that this
>happenning during the following period when "faith" (the irrational
>submission to the Gods) started to lessen the role of "rite" (way to "make
>business" with the Gods).
>
>-Time: Empire (before IIIrd century AD). Place: Rome.
>Nevertheless, a major change was introduced by Augutus: the Imperial cult.
>The official Religio keeps its "political" character, but now a new set of
>Gods are added as an extension of the family cult: the deceased Emperors
>(after the apotheosis, a preactice which occured sometimes as part of
>TRADITIONAL FAMILY CULT, mainly when the deceased were children), the
Genius
>of the living Emperor (the Genius of the paterfamilias of all romans). New
>priesthoods are created to honour These new Gods... The traditional
>priesthoods gradually disappear (e.g. Flamines).
>The foreign elements (specially Eastern) gradually increased their
>importance (e.g. the Christians). Some cults extend Health health (Salus)
in
>order to include the Health of the soul and immortality after death.
>Nevertheless, immortality is mainly achieved through proper rites, not the
>spiritual ascension of the soul. The Religio keeps thus its traditional
>character and the Gods are still mainly asked for mundane favours.
>
>-Time: Empire (before IIIrd century AD). Place: Lusitania and many other
>western privinciae.
>The Imperial cult is the MAIN OFFICIAL cult, almost the only one. The old
>Gods of Rome are honoured by the priests of the Imperial cult, not
>specialised priests as in Rome. Some native deities are also honoured,
>sometimes identified with Roman Gods.
>
>-Time: Empire (before IIIrd century AD). Place: eastern provinciae.
>The Imperial cult is the MAIN OFFICIAL cult. Here the Emperor is honoured
as
>a Gods when still alive!! The old Gods of Rome are honoured by the priests
>of the Imperial cult, not specialised priests as in Rome. Nevertheless,
>local cults have preponderence, and there are so many: Bel, Sebazius, Sol
>Invictus (Malakbelus, Elagabalus, Heliopolitanus), Baals, etc., etc.
>Many cults in the East are more spiritual, aiming at the ascension of the
>soul and direct contact with the Gods.
>
>-Time: Empire (IIIrd, IVth centuries AD). Place: though with many
>differences among provinciae and communities, I think that the following
>provides a general feeling.
>A move towards syncretism is favoured by the Emperors, who start to be
>addressed as Gods (Dominus et Deus) during their lives. So many civil wars,
>so many defeats, famine, barbarians... The old Gods seem to have forgotten
>the Romans... Maybe the Romans forget that the old Gods were forgotten by
>them and replaced by the Emperors. Eastern elements start to gain terrain
>both in religion and philosophy: Solar cults, Neoplatonism, Theurgy,
>Christianity. The Romans seek in spiritual plane the remedy for the
>frustrations of the mundane plane. No wonder that Christianity starts to
>gain more importance during this period. What was once called "supertitio"
>is now winning.
>
>So, what we see is that the Religio Romana of the decadence is not the
>"business" like, but the "spiritual" like. But we also see that the Religio
>Romana was a very diverse thing, including many cults, traditional and
>foreign, spiritual and mundane.
>So our original question of "What is the Religio Romana?" is not easy to
>answer, and even the Romans had difficulty on answering it. While some
>Romans were against foreign cults, others were fans of these same cults.
>Still others criticized these cults on paper, but when they were ill, thay
>prayed to Isis and Serapis. As such maybe we should answer the question in
>the following way: the Religio Romana can be everything, provided that the
>TRADITIONAL STATE GODS are respected, honoured, paid sacrifice and given
>what belongs to Them (i.e. sacred property).
>

Ovidia Luna:
>>There seems to be a chafing within Nova Roma between those who
>>participate as if Nova Roma is a passing interest -- a hobby, something
>>interesting and fun to do in their spare time -- while others are making
>>Nova Roma and the Religio a way of life. But Nova Roma is more than
>>simply a reconstructionist organization, and when I observe citizens
>>describing Nova Roma to others, I really notice this disparity.
>>Obviously, some folks take the Religio far more seriously than others.
Graecus:
>That's what we are here for: to explain to people how the Religio can enter
>their lives.
>

Ovidia Luna:
>>No, "faith" isn't the best choice of words -- I should hope our belief of
>>and devotion to the Gods of Rome is implicit and relies not on mere
>>faith. And I sincerely hope that no matter what other folks in Nova Roma
>>may believe or how they fit into the Religio Romana, that we Pontiffs, at
>>least, are unshakable in our devotion to the Gods of Rome -- not merely
>>in recreating the traditions and forms of the ancients without thought as
>>to developing a mutually affectionate and beneficial relationship.
>>Indeed, if the Gods are not "real" to us or if we don't really "care"
>>about them, other than to appease them properly, how can we presume to
>>call ourselves "bridges"?
Graecus
>The traditional duties of Roman priests (including Pontifices) are
precisely
>"to appease", "to honour" a and "to negotiate with" the Gods IN THE NAME OF
>THE STATE. In the name of the family, the paterfamilias has that duty. In
>individual name, any MAN can do it. Later spiritual elements such as the
>ascension of the soul is the task of the Mystagogoi and Theurgists, which
of
>course have also a place within the BIG Universe of the Religio Romana.

>Just to conclude:
>Depending on the person, the Religio Romana can enter one's life in
>different ways. A more spiritual person will surely favour spiritual Gods
>such as Isis and Serapis. A more materialistic person will favour the
>traditional Gods. An atheist (I prefer to call him Epicurean) will firstly
>think of the Religio Romana as idiot as any other, but if his heart is
truly
>Roman, he will learn the beauty of the Gods and maybe his heart will start
>to make him regard the Gods and Their relationship with Nature in a
>different way. So, in my view the Religio is for everyone, and we as
>Pontifices can have a VERY IMPORTANT role on showing people how the Religio
>fit in their lives.


>
>Valete
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>
>

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Who is he?
From:
Date:	Tue, 2 May 2000 14:22:18 EDT

You know, that's really pretty apt. He was in all sorts of things, but as a
good character actor, blended in to the point that it is hard for us to pick
him out.

Iustinia Cassia

In a m--------g--------t--------/1/0 11:18:17 PM, <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=101166219009175162090005175108006077163098057046209130" >TacitusMagnus@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< He is friend of Waldo ;)



<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=070082020165082153015098190036129" >exitil@--------</--------; wrote:

> Who is Oliver Reed??? >>

Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Who is he?
From:
Date:	Tue, 02 May 2000 12:50:26 -0700

Oh...I get it...an Italian Gens....Please forward all information you have to
me. It is the Censors responsibility not the Webmaster. They get their
information from me. :) Any assistance and information you can give me would be
very appreciated.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

Guido Costantini wrote:

> Heya
>
> "An Italian" ... as, a gens phisically located in Italy, possibly in Rome,
> my city. Tried to send emails to the email addresses of the various gens
> listed in the album gentium and at the one supposedly leading the
> provincia, but no answers at all (two were not working at all and i
> reported it to the keeper of the website).
>
> Regards
>
> GC
>
> At 01.59 02/05/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >> PS
> >> still looking for anitalian gens... after having sent out several emails,
> >> i'm starting to wonder if there is a single one active...again, anyone
> >> checking this list?
> >>
> >
> >What is "anitalian" gens?
> >
> >Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >Censor
>
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Subject:	Message from Vado & Aletheia
From:
Date:	Tue, 2 May 2000 21:50:59 +0100

Dear friends and fellow-citizens,

Just a quick one to reassure(?) you we're still alive but have been unbelievably busy over the last fortnight (and still are). Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience or irritation caused by our recent inactivity on this list.

We're working our way through our inboxes (having just about recovered from our best Floralia ever and our 16th wedding anniversary), and beg your further indulgence while we get around to reading and answering (serves us right for sending our scriba back to the farm for getting our laptop wet in the baths) ):-(

Bene valete in operibus vostris,

Vado & Aletheia.


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Capite Velato
From:	"M G" <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a>
Date:	Tue, 2 May 2000 23:25:17 +0300

----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio Grilo <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: marted́, 02 maggio, 2000 12.35
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Capite Velato


> Salve
>
> >You should. But if you are offering particularly (ATTN: Not as Dii
Penates)
> >to Apollo, Iuppiter, Hercules, you should not.
> I wanted to say Apollo, Saturnus, Hercules.
> Iuppiter is of course honoured capite velato.
>
>

Dear Pontifex Salve.

Most respectfully,
I have some doubt:
Saturnus is specifically a latin and italian god,
even if he has a greek corresponding god
Cronos if I am not wrong.
He is considered so much ITALIAN that
Virgilius if I remember well called ITALIA as
" SATURNIA TELLUS ",
So if capite velato goes in accordance
with latin origin of the specific god
and the contrary with the greek origin,
then why
might SATURNUS be honoured in a
more "exotic" way like the typically
greek Apollo and Heracles ?

It looks incoherent at least not knowing more.

Best regards
Marcus Prometheus

Subject:	Re: Proposal for Legislation
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=014130014161146028033082190" >bvm3@--------</a>
Date:	Wed, 03 May 2000 01:12:04 +0200

Salvete Marce Audens Consul, L. Corneli Sulla Censor, et
Quirites Omnes!

I would like to thank you, Consul, for your kind
response (Digest 824 #11, Apr. 28) to my proposal for
legislation. The decency, benignity and good humour with
which you rule over us is always an inspiration.

In your response, however, you seem to address only my
concern with issues of civility on this list, and not to
treat of my other proposal. That was, that the most
appropriate way for Nova Roma, as a serious micronation, to
deal with problems of sexual identity and other matters of
civil status is to do as other nations do it: by respecting
the determinations of other jurisdictions.

If someone is considered as officially male, female,
married, single, etc. in one state, it is normal for all
other states to recognise this status unless there is some
special reason not to do so. By doing likewise and asking
simply that applicants for Nova Roman citizenship select a
name of a gender in accordance with their established civil
identities in their country of origin or residence, the one
on their driver's licence or passport, we would bring
ourselves into line with normal states - and we would
deflect any tricky questions of sexual identity to other
authorities, and not make them an issue of contention here.

To issue a revised edict on this matter preserving the
originally desired truth-of-civil-gender-identity in name
selection, but basing it on recognition of a person's
established civil identity instead of a personal body check,
would, insofar as I know, be within the powers of our L.
Cornelius Sulla, who issued the original edictum, and within
those of his new colleague, whose identity we shall soon all
know.

Our Censor, whom I admire, respect and wish well, was
within his rights in insisting that his edictum be
respected. There has, however, been a haemorrhaging of our
active citizenry as a result. I think those who regrettably
left and many of those who remain would derive some comfort
from knowing that Nova Roma is able to adapt and improve
itself as a result to listening to its people. If no
official changes are put in train as a result of so much
not-wholly-unreasonable protest, it will no doubt make many
feel that the government is not responsive to the needs of
its citizens, some of whom may be more seriously impacted
than the majority by certain laws, and so deserve to be
specially listened to.

I would very much like to see Nova Roma show itself
capable of such change. How do the Nova Roman people feel
about my proposal, and would not the Censores consider it
seriously? And if they would not wish to approve it, could
they present their reasons to us all?

While speaking of civic matters, I would like to
congratulate Sulla on his finishing of the Censorial Alba.
Good job!

M. Apollonius Formosanus,
Silesia, Polonia
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