| Subject: |
Album Civium |
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Wed, 3 May 2000 17:41:11 -0700 |
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Salvete Omnes
As most of you are probably aware, the Album Civium is up.
What many of you will notice that there are some Roman Names highlighted in Yellow. Those individual are my "problem children." This means that there are issues that need to be resolved with their citizenship applications and such. But they were approved by the Prior Censors and I am in contact to see:
1. If they are still citizens or active.
2. Resolve the various problems such as: Roman Name and Gens name dont match, or missing Contact information, or missing DOB, or a combination of issues, including needing pater/mater approval.
As you will see, everyone in class 32-35 are in the Urban Tribes, which means those people failed to vote for the December Election.
Anyway, if you know any of those citizens highlighted in yellow, please refer them to me. Thank you.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
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| Subject: |
the Gonzaga Cameo |
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Wed, 03 May 2000 17:53:08 -0700 |
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Is this Caesar Augustus and Livia Augusta?
<a href="http://sunsite.auc.dk/cgfa/unknown/p-unknown2.htm" target="_top" >http://sunsite.auc.dk/cgfa/unknown/p-unknown2.htm</a>
Thank you.
Ericius.
p.s.
Check out the parent site. It is truly awesome.
CAE
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| Subject: |
Fish sauce [attn: Latinists] |
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Wed, 03 May 2000 19:22:13 -0700 |
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Is it
garum
gArum
garUm
or
gArUm
???
Gratias
Ericius.
Sepia Senes.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Pagan Persecution |
| From: |
"M G" <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 05:16:42 +0300 |
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Marcus Prometheus:
My opinion about persecutions of pagans and all.
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Horrible facts happened everywere in history, East and west.
Persecutions are all to be condemned,
of christians, of pagans, and of jews
Freedom of expression especially on this list migtht include
to honour and to remember all victims, including pagans
Serious historical assessments might be possible in good faith
and also WITH LEGITIMATE DIFFERENCE OF OPINIONS
So here is mine, modest and open to contestation on facts:
The Roman state, (Republic, Principate and Empire too)
until was pagan was generally very respectful
of all possible different religions, beliefs etc.
Roman Pagan civilization made exceptions to this deeply felt
rule when felt confronted by fanaticism,
or by cults felt as dangerous or openly rebellous.
NEVER there was a kind of "witch hunt " of christians
Persecutions were "stop and go"
BECAUSE the Romans lacked the
ideological means and reasons to hate Christians.
POLITHEISM is the democracy and liberalism of religion.
Christians were persecuted for political reasons only
and we all are sorry for the pains inflicted to human beings
everywhere everytime.
At first Cristians (as the jews and confounded with the Jews)
were allowed to the usual "freedom of religion".
Then there was the Neronian brutal scapegoat episode,
a terrible story of tyranny much more than of
ideological religious intolerance.
Then there was freedom of cult again.
And christians multiplied , just made strong because of the
blood of martyrs, unheard example of strong FAITH which
astonished many romans reasoning like that:
If Christians are so sure of their God so much that
IN MANY INSTANCES THEY WENT ALMOST
VOLUNTARLY TO MARTIRDOM, THEN PERHAPS......
But when Cristians became stronger they did not want
to accepted freedom of religion BUT
immediately (I would say by nature),
pursued supremacy and intolerance.
In fact monotheism means do not to
ACCEPT any other god BUT ONE GOD.
Thence occasional roman state reaction,
persecution, BUT ALWAYS SUSPENDED
when clamour ceased, and
even with the order from an emperor "officially"
persecuting christians
DO NOT TO INVESTIGATE
(i.e. to persecute ONLY the agitators,
i.e do not to attack, just to defend
others people traditional way of life )
We could say modernly that romans were
culturally unprepared to resist such a
powrful messianic cult.
And so christianism resisted with
important (albeit NOT enormous) successes
in proselytism until the reign of Commodus
who began the serious distruction of the empire.
And so in times of distresses
(the famous crisis of the third century)
Christian messianism appealed more and more:
until when onether bad tyrant named Constantine.
He happened to be so knowingly full of sins that
he became attracted to the christian promise
that baptism washes all sins, so he waited to be baptized
until old age.
In the meantime he just estabilished christianism
as a true state religion, intolerant since the very first !
In facts in 325, just 10 years after the so called Edict
of Tolerance legalazing Christianity among all other cults
when I repeat, Constantine was NOT yet baptized for
the purpose of doing for many more years private sins,
and political assassinations, he NOT only presided
the COUNCIL of NICAEA, but ordered the whole church
to adopt (against the Arians) the more extremist theological
position then discussed , setting further away ortodox
christianism from pagan religions.
So, with Constantine unbaptized, already began the
first state and church PERSECUTION OF HERETICS .
(For this Constantine is a saint of christian ortodox churchs).
A few years after began also the persecutions of pagans.
In facts they were not so urgent, as the ancient religion believers
were no serious match for a state imposed messianism.
FOR THIS REASON I AFFIRM that persecution of pagans
was even less provoked than the previous persecutions of
christians, (of course both being very condammnable).
The only one which ACTED in terms of religious freedom
in his unfortunately very short reign is
Julian the Philosopher emperor.
who never persecuted any christian or jew..
Bene Valete.
Marcus Prometheus
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| Subject: |
Album Gentium |
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| Date: |
Wed, 3 May 2000 19:40:50 -0700 |
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Salvete Omnes
I just wanted to let everyone know that the same "Yellow" colors are for citizens that I am trying to get corrected. The Blue Colors are for citizens that are in areas of the world where Nova Roma doesnt have existing provinces.
Just so everyone knows what the color coding means....Its one of the ways I am able to keep track of problem issues and resolving them.
You folks should see all of the colors on the database....all of the colors of the rainbow are practically represented. But, they all have meanings. At least to me and my demented imagination! ;)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
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| Subject: |
Roman RPG |
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Wed, 3 May 2000 21:05:41 -0700 |
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Salvete Omnes
This might be an interest to some people. On www.onelist.com there is a list called RomanisRomanorvm. In that list they are beginning to set up a Roman RPG. Just wanted to let everyone know. I know for certain that the Metellus Gens has been taken and I have chosen the Cornelia Gens. ****THIS IS A ROLE PLAYING GAME**** Just wanted to make certain everyone knew! :)
Hope you enjoy!
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
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| Subject: |
Re: Resignation |
| From: |
Michael Cessna <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=219128020185221198218171228026247222123098100046209130" >clinkerbuilt2@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 3 May 2000 21:23:52 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve, all...
I must also add my voice to the chorus. Draco,
amicus, your word is valued here. Leaving would be a
considerable loss to this Republic.
I sincerely urge you to reconsider.
Vale,
Gnaeus Marius Asiaticus
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| Subject: |
UnRoman myths |
| From: |
"M G" <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 07:35:04 +0300 |
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----- Original Message -----
From: Hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: mercolede, 03 maggio, 2000 13.29
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Timeline of Pagan Persecution
> Acadianus Draco
> <<535 Imperial laws against heretics, Jews and Pagans in North
> Africa>>
Hadji
> 1. Which North Africa? Vandalish one or provinces under Empirial
> control? I do not remember well at the moment at what time Belisarius
> re-established there official administration?
Marcus Prometheus:
The question has no common sense at all
It is self evident for everybody that a bizantine edict
could not have any competence in Vandals lands, but
only "Empirial" lands.
533 was the year of bizantin reconquest which obliterated
Vandal's sovereign state.
hadji
> <<528- Justinian purges administration of Pagans (one Orthodox group
> HAS, I understand, canonised this monster, as well as his chippy wife,
> Theodora)>>...
> << And, equally obviously, not all of our noble forefathers
> (and mothers) were as attracted to the "superior religion from the East"
> as most extant authors would like us to believe. ...A sad history,
> perhaps, but one in which we can take enormous pride.>>
> Reading your post one can imagine that all the evil come from East to
> the West (sounds quite familiar and in accordance with modern
> stereotypes and political propaganda, isn't it?).
Marcus Prometheus:
As usually dear Hadji you can imagine very wildly what you want,
but the propaganda man it's just you and in my modest opinion
in favour of things which do not belong or are not central to
a list dedicated to Rome, and which calls itself NOVAROMA.
So why do you jump to "defend" THE EAST which is
only supposedly attacked ?
I Quote Hadji:
........... The Eastern Empire was [that] who saved
> the achievments of ancient culture and philosophy from the
> Barbarians hordas.
MP
Acadianus Draco just gave a factual list of persecutions of
pagans (AND jews too).
Is not this a list dedicated to Nova Roma and to officially
honour the ancient Religio Romana ?
Of course, accepting people of every religious creed,
And this is very just, in the spirit of the emperor Julian the philosopher
who did not persecute anybody, but still was labelled as Apostate and
criminal by his intolerants successors in Constantinople.
So if this list is for people christian jew or pagan, (but both accepting
at least to
HONOUR the ancient Religio Romana) , then, why do you attack somebody
who raises simply the very on topic subject of pagans sufferings and
"martyrdoms" ?,
Were them less true than Christians martyrdoms ?
I say not. It is a fact or not ?
and why you try to put the "guilty" of medioeval history
on your idea of the west (evil, of course)
I quote Hadji
Actually if you speaks about persecutions against other
> believers, I would like to call your attention to medieval history.
> There have never exist on the East so massive and total persecutions as
> we know from West European countries.
The message of Acadianus Draco had nothing to do with West and East
It's a sick fantasy to understand it so, and I strongly object to this way
of
defaming or silencing him because he posted true factual information
about a subject of great interest for most people on the list.
So it's only you that have an agenda of EAST propaganda.
Unprovoked, and not relevant to the subject.
And for such propaganda you also use false or dubious figures
I quote:
Indians in America (50 millions brutaly murdered humans), etc etc etc.
Where did you find such figure?
Kindly and humbly I ask you to quote your sources.
Then we 'll discuss. Until then it is propaganda,
Your anti western agenda out of subject of martyrdom
Hadji
> I am proud to be from the East and with our history too.
> In the same time when the Jews in western Europe were persecuted......
MP
Everybody is right to be proud of his origins,
but please set only positive examples.
and avoid baseless comparisons.
As, I insist your proudness or better prudeness was totally unprovoked,
I must also ask some questions:
Are you proud of the Russian czarist Pogroms against Jews too ?
And the Protocols of the wise men of Zion were not produced by
czarist Okrana (Russian secret police) ?
And the persecutions against heretics did not begin in NICAEA
with the famous council ? With the great first Eastern Emperor?
The great orthodox saint ?
And were not carried out by all the Eastern Emperors?
They did not last many centuries JUST BECAUSE one single century
or 2 were usually enough to wipe out the opponent of the moment, the
heretics.
Or you say that the Byzantine empire (unlike the evil "west" )
respected more the heretic Christians like Monofisites, Nestorians,
Iacobists, Docetists, Ebionites Donatians, Gnostics,
+ JEWS AND PAGANS ?
If so where did they survive in the East ?
Please inform me and all the list, I am curious,
we are here all waiting for the pearls of your Eastern wisdom.
Why didn't you read seriously Acadianus Draco's post which stated
<<535 Imperial laws against heretics, Jews and Pagans in North Africa>>
YES, also Jews, not only Pagans, so you could have understood that
jews were treated more or less in the same way in the EAST and in the west.
YES, in the EAST too Jews survived moving from place to place,
(just as in the evil west)
There were very small numbers of JEWS in the East during Byzantine rule
and their immigration in great numbers in Thessalonica is NOT of the time
of
Acadianus Draco post which disturbed you so much,
but IS OF ONE THOUSAND YEARS LATER,
during the Ottoman Turks empire,
which made allies of the Jews after their
expulsion from Spain.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Let's calm down |
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| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 01:27:27 EDT |
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Citizens,
I am the person who originally asked the question about Pagan martyrdom. I
have privately emailed Draco begging him not to resign.
If anyone is angry at the topic being put up for discussion, let them be
angry at me. If anyone feels they must vent their anger, let them vent at me.
If anyone is looking for someone to blame, let them blame me.
I asked the question out of intellectual curiosity, never dreaming it could
result in hard feelings, much less someone's resignation. I am Pagan and my
best friend is Christian. We long ago learned to discuss our beliefs without
offending each other. It was my mistake not to consider that some here might
be offended if I asked a question that compared a phenomenon within the two
religions. Please don't blame Draco for simply responding to my question.
Iustinia Cassia
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| Subject: |
Re: Re: Timeline of Pagan Persecution |
| From: |
hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 08:27:49 +0200 |
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Salve Draco,
Nevertheless I read this morning the rest of messages included in the
digest (Resignation and replies), I would like to reply as first on that
your post without paying attention to the next development of
discussion.
<<I'm happy that you found some use for the Timeline.>>
Of course it is useful. Thatswhy I have saved it into my archives. I
like chronologies and exact informations.
<<I will get back to you on this matter when I have additional
information.>>
Thank you. I would be glad to obtain it.
<<As to other observations you have made, I would be delighted to
discuss both your well-taken points and my own personal views and
interpretations privately so that we may understand each other's
perspective.>>
<<I will respond later this evening, when I have returned from work and
hope to have a lively and informative discussion with you without any
possibility of disturbing the Peace of the List. Okay?>>
Right. I agree.
<<But, on one point I would like to speak to the List, and I ask you,
Probe, to please trust me in one regard: I am not against "Easterners"
in any way and am only "against" a handful of things which "originated"
in a location which lies easterly of that from which my own ancestors
hail.>>
I am afraid I can not agree with you here. Try to look on the topic
trough the eyes of folks living (or who had lived) "easterly" from you:
you blame them (their history, their ancestors, their land) but they can
blame "your area" too for numerous acts happent in different times (from
the very ancient to the very modern). Do you really consider that from
East to West flows bad things, ideas, acts only while from West to East
flows all the time all good? You take here a time period and quite
tendenciously speak about evil East. But what is East and what is West I
wonder? Where for example lies Pannonia or the Balkans? In the East or
West? I guess both on East and West and thatswhy I do not like to blame
nor East nor West for something happend two thousand years ago. If we
discuss about the persecution against Pagans (or generally other
believers), so let try to discuss the problem as a global problem not
to oppose one area against other or one ancestors against other.
So, what about to share us something about persecution happend at the
same time all over Europe as these acts were not monopolized by Emirial
administration of the Roman East only but I am sure were applied in much
greater scale by Barbarian post Roman kings or by Roman authorities of
the West too. Why to blame Roman East for what happend all over Europe.
And one more thing: If you present evidences of fanatism of some
Christian authorities and generalize the whole East with that, so how
would you feel if someone started to generalize the whole West with the
Celtic religion practises? I am only against any generalizing - nothing
more and nothing less.
<<You and I can discuss my "Eastern connexions" soon, offlist -- I
believe that you may be pleasantly surprised with my "credentials" in
that regard. :o)>>
I am very curious and am waiting for your messages with a great
interest.
Bene vale
Alexander I.C. Probus
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| Subject: |
Re: Resignation |
| From: |
hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 09:00:44 +0200 |
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Salve Draco et alii,
As I was the only one who oppose somehow the content of your previous
post (Timeline of Pagan Persecutions) on the list I accept your
Resignation as caused by my person. Indeed, I feel regret for your
decision and it was absolutly not my aim. It seems to be interesting
topic of discussion. I am sorry if I have insulted you by something and
actually do not consider my post as a personal attack against you.
<<In view of certain extremely vocal e-mails which I have received this
morning regarding my posting of the "Timeline," I feel obliged, for the
sake of peace and tranquility within the Republic, to submit my
resignation as a Citizen of Nova Roma.>>
I have not posted to you any private post and you know that quite well.
But as you have not named here who have posted to you these offensive
private posts, I guess the folks on the Forum consider me as their
author and writing about "ill-mannered hotheads" and "crazy" people
adress these nice terms to me.
To clear my name from wrong suspicionesses I ask you to reply to them
and to show exactly who and how have offended you. In the opposite case
I seriously doubt that these "private offensive posts" were nothing but
dramatic gesture in the theater game.
For those posting epithets about "crazy hot heads" I would like to say
that: Be man and name exactly who you thought about. I was never afraid
to post and to publish openly what I think about anybody.
<<I regret in having offended some few so mortally.>>
Me surely not.
<<It has been a great honour to be with you all, even for so brief a
time, and to get to know a handful of you well, profiting for your vast
store of knowledge and insights has been a sheer delight to me. With
your permission, I would love to remain in contact with some of you
privately. I cannot, however, in good conscience, risk offending other
citizens by posting further observations or results of research which
will invariably result in disgruntlement on the part of one faction or
another.>>
Nothing offensive you have posted, quite the opposite - interesting and
useful. But I stay on my possition that no one region (nor East nor west
nor South nor North) can be blamed or glorified for the global problems.
Bene vale
Alexander I.C. Probus
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| Subject: |
Re: Resignation |
| From: |
hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 09:10:47 +0200 |
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Salvete alii,
Please, please, please.... Do not let the crazies win. The bad crazies,
the evil crazies, the stranger crazies... Oh Draco, defend our Western
culture and values from the ....
Mi care Draco, hearing all that cries and looking at such crocodile
tears I ask you not to play the proud princess, but to stay on the Forum
and to explain what so great insult was done over you. I ask you
publicly to appology to all the Easterners on the Forum, for blaming
their lands for acts actually done all over Europe during the period you
wrote about.
Here I would like to address a short note to Antonio Gryllus Graecus
(Graecus??): Rome was not only in the city of Rome. Rome was Syria,
Egypt, Hellas, Pannonia, Hispania, Britannia, Germania, Gallia, Asia etc
etc too. I am against the idea that this is more Roman that that one
which is "less" Roman. Have you forget that, mi care amice.
Alexander I.C. Probus
Subject: Re: Resignation
I'd like to add my voice to this.
Reste donc, Acadien! Tu nous manquerais trop si tu t'en allais.
Octavius is right, if you leave you let the crazies win. The bad
crazies, I
mean. :)
> It should read: "Those who can't deal with it should be the ones
> to leave." I re-assert my statement; Acadianus Draco's message
> was interesting and useful, and if he is being harassed for it,
> then the poltroons who are doing so should be revealed for
> what they are. Don't leave, Draco. Don't let them win.
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| Subject: |
Re: Hmmm |
| From: |
hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 09:17:25 +0200 |
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Dear anonyme Roman,
I am very sorry. I have forgotten that the persecution of other
believers was the very monopol of Eastern provinces of Empire and of
Orthodox church. Thank you for remembering me.
Vale
Alexander I.C. Probus
<<Dear Alexander
the Time line can be seen in ANY good book on the Subect
all you havr to do is look at the Corpus Juris Civilis Justinian
to see anti pagan hate laws. for more on the time raed the history of
the byzantine state by ostrogorsky>>
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| Subject: |
Re: UnRoman Myths |
| From: |
hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 10:36:56 +0200 |
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Prometheus or Fresco (in the case I will decide to follow your insulting
manner to use abreviations from email addresses.
I do remember well your posts some months ago where you call for
supporting some Moldavian nationalists and call all the neighbours of
Roumanians (Hungarians, Bulgarians, Ukrainians) Barbarians and wrote
about Russian generalizing them as bolsheviks etc etc. So I, Dex and
Fimbria opposed you and now when Dex and Fimbria are away it is the
right term to clear my bill.
Marcus Prometheus:
The question has no common sense at all
It is self evident for everybody that a bizantine edict
could not have any competence in Vandals lands, but
only "Empirial" lands.
533 was the year of bizantin reconquest which obliterated
Vandal's sovereign state.
Vandals' sovereign state???? Where did you got that from?
Marcus Prometheus:
As usually dear Hadji you can imagine very wildly what you want,
but the propaganda man it's just you and in my modest opinion
in favour of things which do not belong or are not central to
a list dedicated to Rome, and which calls itself NOVAROMA.
Oh, I am sorry. You was who was calling for a Latin brotherhood, isn't
it? Now it seems to banish one of not very Roman members? By the way,
are you a citizen of Nova Roma?
So why do you jump to "defend" THE EAST which is
only supposedly attacked ?
Because I am from the regio between East and West and know quite exactly
that nothing is absolutly black and nothing absolutly white.
MP
<<Acadianus Draco just gave a factual list of persecutions of
pagans (AND jews too).
Is not this a list dedicated to Nova Roma and to officially
honour the ancient Religio Romana ?>>
I do honour all the believs of my NR fellows. I call only not to
generalize any regio for the problem which was global. By the way that
is the main list where could be discussed many topics related to NR
public life and the problem of tollerance and respecting each other
surely belong here.
<<Were them less true than Christians martyrdoms ?
I say not. It is a fact or not ?>>
So am I.Why you put yourself now at the possition of judge or policman
who pretend to search for anybodys guilty?
<<The message of Acadianus Draco had nothing to do with West and East>>
Oh no. It has and I have cited him.
<<It's a sick fantasy to understand it so, and I strongly object to this
way of defaming or silencing him because he posted true factual
information about a subject of great interest for most people on the
list.>>
Thank you for insulting me.
<<So it's only you that have an agenda of EAST propaganda.
Unprovoked, and not relevant to the subject.
And for such propaganda you also use false or dubious figures
I quote:
Indians in America (50 millions brutaly murdered humans), etc etc etc.
Where did you find such figure?
Kindly and humbly I ask you to quote your sources.
Then we 'll discuss. Until then it is propaganda,
Your anti western agenda out of subject of martyrdom>>
As for these book it was written by American historicians and included
the period from discovering America to modern days. I will visit the
library and will sent to you the exact authors and when it was
published. I read the Czech translation published about five years ago
in Prague.
MP
<<Everybody is right to be proud of his origins,
but please set only positive examples.
and avoid baseless comparisons.
As, I insist your proudness or better prudeness was totally unprovoked,
I must also ask some questions:
Are you proud of the Russian czarist Pogroms against Jews too?>>
Of course not. But if you are going to blame ones folk so what about to
start with your own Italian one?
<<And the Protocols of the wise men of Zion were not produced by
czarist Okrana (Russian secret police) ?
And the persecutions against heretics did not begin in NICAEA
with the famous council ? With the great first Eastern Emperor?
The great orthodox saint?>>
Write about your country and cults widly established there please.
<<And were not carried out by all the Eastern Emperors?>>
Like as western barbarian kings.
Or you say that the Byzantine empire (unlike the evil "west" )
respected more the heretic Christians like Monofisites, Nestorians,
Iacobists, Docetists, Ebionites Donatians, Gnostics,
+ JEWS AND PAGANS?
Surely much more that the West did. Actually the WWII was very
significant. While the eastern folks (Greeks, Bulgarians, Macedonians,
Serbians) had done a lots of efforts to save their Jews, other folks
assited SS commandoes to hunt for Jews and to send them to concentrating
camps and subscribe as volunteers to nazi troops.
If so where did they survive in the East?
Everywhere my dear. Actually many of them live in the USA at the moment.
etc etc etc follows numerous notes all of them insulting, blaming and
dehonestating posts.
Alexander I.C. Probus
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| Subject: |
A request for Censorial act |
| From: |
hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 10:44:33 +0200 |
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I, Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonicus as a citizen of Nova Roma
ask publicly our Censorial authorities to banish so called Marcus
Prometheus from the main list and to consider about quiting his
citizenship. I blame him for personal insults, dehonestating the history
of my lands and my religious believs. I would like to add that that is
not the first time when Prometheus propagate nationalistic hateress and
shows unability for cultivated discussion. He explore in a very trickery
way the feelings of Nova Romans for personal revanch and nationalistic
dreams.
Censors, Consuls and Senators I ask for your act!
Alexander I.C. Probus M.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: UnRoman Myths |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 05:16:40 EDT |
|
In a message dated 5/4/2000 1:47:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> writes:
<< Vandals' sovereign state >>
Actually the Kingdom of the Vandals in Africa existed from 439-to the
re-conquest by Imperial troops under Belisarius in 533 CE. Since the Vandals
were Arians- a heretical Christian sect that did not believe the dual nature
of Christ, they were prosecuted by Justinian's edicta.
Q. Fabius
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| Subject: |
Eastern and Western bullshit |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 11:06:04 +0100 |
|
Salvete
I don't even know why we are discussing about Eastern and Western
nationalisms. But I would like to express my opinion.
We must not forget that Constantine founded Constantinople. Theodosius was
an Eastern emperor. So, no doubt that the Christian movement had great
support in the East. This is a fact. Now, was it because the Eastern guys
were the "bad"? No, it was simply because the main fanatic Christian
emperors ruled in the East, and I can imagine the frustration of the many
pagans who had their lives in the East.
Ok, but lets pass to another dimension. I have CDs of ancient Greek pagan
music, but have no CD of (western) Roman music. Why? Apparently this is a
mystery. How can the more recent Roman civilization have left no musical
document while we have plenty of Greek musical documents of the Classical
and Hellenistic periods? Didn't the Romans write music? I've already
consulted my History of Music, and it provides an answer. In fact many
musical pieces were written in Rome, but they were all destroyed or
adulterated for having pagan content. Many musical instruments were
associated with pagan celebrations and as such the new (christian) style of
music had no instruments (remember the Gregorian chant?). Together with
this, many literary works were lost, mostly in the West and both Bizantines
and later the Arabs had the virtue to preserve many important works.
This shown that although persecution "came" or was supported from the East,
its extension and destructive consequences was greater in the West, and we
observe that many peoples in the East kept their paganism until quite late
in time, though the Bizantine emperors gradually converted them, often not
by force but in exchange for military or economical support.
So, I still do not understand why this bullshit talking about Eastern vs
Western came about. Can't we just forget 20th century rivalries?
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
I ask you.. |
| From: |
hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 12:54:13 +0200 |
|
Salvete Novaromani,
I would like to ask all of you something.
Where are all that persons who have posted insulting private posts to
Draco? Because I have not done that. Come to the Forum and say - I was
that one. But to do that is necessary to have a little bit honest
behaviour. I ask you too - many of them speaks about tolerance,
respecting others etc etc. Why you stay silent now when Prometheus is
dehonestating one Religious believe (the Orthodox Christianity) and one
lands history - because write only negative facts about is not fair and
objective. Bad things have happend everywhere, in every country. No ones
history is glorious nor shameful. But you stay silent and agree with
such a dehonestating. Why? I will try to answer you: Because your
coutries' history is glorified, your ancestors are presented in a bright
light. Nothing, but by feeling for fair treatment says me to oppose
that. It could be very easy for me to idetified myself with the West
generally and with you too. And I know you will accept me - it is enough
to repeat the same stereotypes some of you propagate and to agree with
you... nothing prevent that but my conscience. What I was calling for -
for citing facts about a global problem from global area not from one
only region. Is that too much. It seems it is.
It is very easy for me to leave NR and some of you would be very glad to
see that. One more step for pure Latine or pure Roman Nova Roma, isn't
it? But I will not do that. I am not a proud princess, but a man and
will fight for what I find to be true and do not care how many of you
are against me.
Prometheus suspect me in sympathies with the communists (exploring
feelings of Americans) and make some notes directing your opinion in
that way. Look, Prometheus and the rest of your company. Nor you, nor
other here knows what the comunism really was. My family have paid with
human sacrifces in the fight against that system. While you have
drinking cofee in your apartment somewhere in Italy and was reading the
nespapers about what was here, me and other like me were who were
discriminated, oppressed by the regimes and we were who stay on the
streets and squares and demonstrated for freedom, plurality and
democracy. That was our victory, not yours, nor western. We were who win
over comunism, not persons like you who pretend now for something ....
So, you are absolutly off line if you count me as communist. Actally
what we need here is not a hunting for wrong minded folks (as some of
you think) but a tolerant society which respect all sorts of ideas. In
the opposite case we would be the same as those one who we blame. I say
that because I am the winner and can show the benevolence. But peoples
like you have nothing to speak about problem in which solution they
absolutely did not participated. So be silent about eastern political
development.
Vale mi tolerant and fair Nova Romani
Alexander I.C. Probus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] I ask you.. |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 12:27:03 +0100 |
|
Salve Alexander Probus
It is with sadness that I post this. I wouldn't if you hadn't put me in the
same basket as the "company of Prometheus" which you seem to identify with
all the westerners.
I have nothing against the East, but it seems that you have something
against the West. Don't you think that you are overreacting? We are not here
to discuss Comunism or other subjects created by 20th century international
policies. We are here to restores the Roman civilization and the our state
religion is the Religio Romana, not Christian either Catholic, Orthodox,
Luteran or whatever. Our timelines have no intent to show that Western
civilization is better. In fact, as you have read, during the religious wars
of the 4th century AD it was the East who in fact won battle after battle,
and if we had any intent to revert history, the timelines would be
different. I've not read anywhere that "Theodosius bought machine guns from
the aliens".
So, I request you to put aside any complexes about being an Easterner. No
one is descriminating you or the Eastern European countries, and the proof
is that the Senate has appointed you as Governor although you are an
Orthodox Christian and the majority of the Senate is weterner and Roman
"pagan". I request for you to stick to your role as magistrate, which is to
defend the Roman state and the Religio Romana.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] A request for Censorial act |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 08:56:15 -0700 |
|
This list is starting to sound like a bunch of cry babies! I had been a
member of other list, but not a one could compare to all the whining and
sensitivity BS that seems to be the common ground here! If your not
man/woman enough to stand by firmly with what you honestly believe then you
should had never began to type! Stop all the WHINING!!! Let us get back to
the issue at heart -- all that is Roman! This does not need be a Forum of
super sensitive babies!
Tacitus
hadji wrote:
> I, Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonicus as a citizen of Nova Roma
> ask publicly our Censorial authorities to banish so called Marcus
> Prometheus from the main list and to consider about quiting his
> citizenship. I blame him for personal insults, dehonestating the history
> of my lands and my religious believs. I would like to add that that is
> not the first time when Prometheus propagate nationalistic hateress and
> shows unability for cultivated discussion. He explore in a very trickery
> way the feelings of Nova Romans for personal revanch and nationalistic
> dreams.
>
> Censors, Consuls and Senators I ask for your act!
>
> Alexander I.C. Probus M.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets
> you see and manage all of your finances all in one place.
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
A few Roman Recipes |
| From: |
Donald and Crystal Meaker <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029056113163056209105098072248155208071048" >meakerfam@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 07:51:41 -0700 |
|
In searching through my cookbooks, I have come across many Roman Recipes
I am willing to share with people should they be interested. They
include:
CASSEROLE APICIUS WITH MEAT OR FISH
CHEESE PIE {CROSTATA DI RICOTTA}
HOT FISH-PICKLE
LEEKS WITH CELERY
MILD FISH PICKLE
ROAST PORK IN CUMIN SAUCE
Roman Figs with Cream
Spelt Cakes
SPINACH ROMAN STYLE
If you are interested, please let me know.
Pax,
Crystal Meaker
|
| Subject: |
More recipes |
| From: |
Donald and Crystal Meaker <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029056113163056209105098072248155208071048" >meakerfam@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 08:16:25 -0700 |
|
I also have an additional 29 recipes I just found in another cookbook I
have online
Pax,
Crys
|
| Subject: |
Nova Roma, multiculturalism, religious tolerance, etc. |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 14:46:50 +0100 |
|
Salvete
I think that as magistrate I have the duty to say a few words about some
discussions that take place on this list.
Nova Roma has a Constitution and a declaration of sovereignty. The
Constitution was designed since the beginning to accomodate everyone
interested on the study, discussion and revival of Roman civilization. We
make no distinction of either sex, religious creed, sexuality, race. Why?
Because Rome was and should now be diverse, a multitude of cultures unified
in a sigle state.
Ok, our magistrates are the proof of our objective:
- Senator Flavius Vedius Germanicus - Asathru (is it spelled correctly?) He
was Dictator, he created the Constitution.
- Censor Lucius Cornelius Sulla - Jewish
- Consul (!!!) Marcus Minucius Audens - Christian
- Propraetor Alexander Probus - Orthodox Christian
In exchange for tolerance we only DEMAND the following as unifying
principles:
- Respect for the Roman state and Roman culture.
- Respect for the Religio Romana and recognition of its statute of STATE
RELIGION. (we don't care about what you do in your home)
- Respect for the other Roman citizens and recognition of their differences.
So, what's the problem. Haven't you read the Constitution?
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex, Senator, Praetor, Propraetor Lusitaniae, civis
|
| Subject: |
Re: hmmmm |
| From: |
"S--------dan/ Hibernicus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 14:10:27 -0000 |
|
the destiny of Indians in America (50 millions
> brutaly murdered humans),
Anthropologists are in full disagreement as to the actual numbers of
aboriginals in North America (the entire Americas for that matter)
and
some estimate the population at any given time in NA as 5-6 million.
Newer facts in regard to nomadic and subsistence cultures leads to a
lower number. Elizabethan Ireland was once estimated to have a
population of 2.5 million. It may actually have been closer to
250,000.
I'm not saying that the number "50million" is incorrect. What I am
saying is that the experts disagree on the numbers. It is true that
European disease killed many humans in NA and it is also true that
many
humans were already immune from pre-Columbo contact.
And it is important to remember that the vast majority of humans
living
in North America were the second and/or third migration of peoples
from
Asia. Second wave emigrants waged war against each other and against
previous populations as readily as European emigrants did against
Aboriginal Americans.
Humans have migrated from one area to another for 10's of thousands
of
years, often replaceing previous populations, either through disease,
war or assimilation. The accusing finger points to everyone.
Hibernicus
|
| Subject: |
Gone for the weekend |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 10:20:28 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salvete, Conscript Fathers and Citizens;
I will be gone for the long weekend, on re-enactment locally. My most
talented Consular Colleague will be at the helm, and if there is any
particular business that is needful that you deal with me, please
contact my Senatorial Colleague, Gaius Marius Merrullus.
Valete, Very Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
|
| Subject: |
Re: A few Roman Recipes |
| From: |
"S--------dan/ Hibernicus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 14:28:08 -0000 |
|
A bunch of us sat around my living room last Sat, talking old war
stories, drinking cerveza and eating hard boiled eggs. One plate of
sliced eggs marinated in a garum based sauce and the other plate of
eggs for dipping into a pine nut sauce.
No one got gas. This is a good thing
Hibernicus
|
| Subject: |
Petition to Rescind Resignation |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 10:39:59 EDT |
|
De Acadiano Dracone, Salutationes Sentatu Populoque Novae Romae
That I was overwhelmed by the reaction to my ill-conceived resignation is
understating the fact by at least twice. I have never received such a deluge
of support, kindness, just chastisement, and sage advice in my life. My
friends, I behaved very poorly indeed for a Nova Roman: On account of two or
three rather nasty communications which I received privately, for a moment I
allowed myself to forget both my responsibilities as a Nova Roman, as well as
the privileges and blessings which I have already received during the short
time I have been fortunate enough to be among you. I never imagined that I
had friends out there such as so many of you have proven to be, both publicly
on this List, and privately in correspondence directly to me.
Thus, I offer all of you my apologies. My action was cowardly and
ungrateful; as Tacitus might correctly say, it was not a manly deed.
Furthermore, to simply pack up and walk away from a group of people like you
would be total and utter folly. I am forced to admit: Where else but in
Nova Roma could I ever hope to find a bigger bunch of licensed eccentrics and
certifiable Classicists than all of you? :o)
Therefore, asking of each of you your pardon, and thanking all of you from
the bottom of my heart, I humbly ask you all, the People and the Senate of
Nova Roma, to accept my Petition to rescind my resignation. I was wrong.
Very wrong.
Further, as I promised privately to Alexander Probus of Pannonia Provincia, I
assure everyone that his comments to the List (unusual as they were, IMHO)
had absolutely nothing to do with my resignation. My resignation was a
purely private matter and not the result of anything that needs to be made
public. I noted that Probus requested that I post my private response to him
of last evening; it appears that he has already done so (short perhaps a word
or two and a stray punctuation mark). With all due respect to Probus'
request, I see no need to bother you by shooting the horse twice.
I also wish to send my public thanks to Justinia Cassia who, as it were,
voluntarily has sought to "cast herself into the Nile" in order to protect
me. In the old days, such an act of self-sacrifice was, at least on one
occasion that I can recall, considered sufficient cause for deification.
Thank you, Justinia. You know, I trust, what I think.
Regarding my gratitude, I have tried to respond to each one of you
individually to say thank you personally for your kindness and counsel. If,
in the chaos of yesterday, I inadvertently did not respond to any one of you,
I heartily ask that one's forgiveness. It was an oversight on my part; my
sincerest appreciation goes to every one of you.
So, Omnes, if you will have me back, I am ready -- as Marcus Prometheus
phrased it -- to "Man(ere) et Pugn(are)." Please agree -- otherwise the
noble Festus has threatened to do unmentionable things to me in the event
that I continue in my folly.
I shall keep you no longer.
Valete Omnes, et gratias vobis ago de corde pleno,
Adrianus Arius Acadianus Draco
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Petition to Rescind Resignation |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 15:49:14 +0100 |
|
Salve Acadiani Draco
Welcome again to Nova Roma. We need more people like you.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
|
| Subject: |
That bloody 'I Love You' virus |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Fri, 5 May 2000 00:48:38 +0930 |
|
Salve et Khaire all,
If you received an unsolicited email entitled I Love You do not open it. Its
a huge virus and has played havoc with my PC. I received it from a person I
know well and apparently it acts like Melissa by going into everyone address
book and I fear its gone on to all of you. We haven't heard a thing about it
here in Australia so I thought I'd spread the word.
Marcus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] More recipes |
| From: |
<--------lass="msghead"> &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=034166250009056116130232203056129208071" &g--------bienus@--------&l--------&g--------td>
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 10:33:34 US/Central |
|
Salve Crys.
> I also have an additional 29 recipes I just found in another cookbook I
> have online
What a fortuitous coincidence. My wife mentioned that she wants to collect
more Roman recipes just last night. We'd love to have any recipes you feel
like sharing.
Vale,
T Labienus Fortunatus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] A request for Censorial act |
| From: |
Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 10:41:19 -0500 (CDT) |
|
> I, Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonicus as a citizen of Nova Roma
> ask publicly our Censorial authorities to banish so called Marcus
> Prometheus from the main list and to consider about quiting his
> citizenship.
Such an action would have a chilling effect on free speech on this list.
Must someone be ejected every time a controversial matter arises?
Differences of opinion must be permitted to flourish!
If you don't like something, don't read it. Revocation of citizenship
is an extremely serious matter, and for you to suggest it merely because
a debate has become acrimonious is contemptible.
Censors, I implore you, ignore Probus's request.
M. Octavius Germanicus
---
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konoko Network Consulting | Microsoft delenda est!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Gone for the weekend |
| From: |
"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 08:54:02 PDT |
|
Have a great time, Sir!
Pompeia
>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>CC: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>, <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=246056234237175198015158190036129" >Senate@n...</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Gone for the weekend
>Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:20:28 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Salvete, Conscript Fathers and Citizens;
>
>I will be gone for the long weekend, on re-enactment locally. My most
>talented Consular Colleague will be at the helm, and if there is any
>particular business that is needful that you deal with me, please
>contact my Senatorial Colleague, Gaius Marius Merrullus.
>
>Valete, Very Respectfully;
>Marcus Audens
>
>Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
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| Subject: |
Fw: Virus Warning |
| From: |
"Nicola Du--------34; <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=091176219007018031015158190036129" >--------la@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 16:59:56 +0100 |
|
Slavete Omnes et merry Meet all!
This was sent to me by my Brother.
It was sent to him by his head office, so it is important!
Noct'a
Nicola
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Meldrum
> Sent: 04 May 2000 12:33
> To: ABERDEEN OFFICE; Montrose Office; Glasgow Office
> Subject: Virus Warning
>
>
> Dear folks
>
> You probably know already but there is a email virus called "I LOVE YOU"
> going around. Do not open it if you are sent it, even if you recognise
> the
> sender.
>
> SKY news reported this morning that it has affected 10% of UK businesses
> already.
>
> Delete it immediately, if you open it, it will be forwarded on to
> everyone
> in your address book and will corrupt your hard drive.
>
>
>
>
> Michael Meldrum BSc Hons
>
> +44 (0) 1224 872187 Tel
> +44 (0) 1224 898053 Fax
> +44 (0) 7808 918220 Mobile
> +44 (0) 1224 869287 Home
>
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> www.drillgear.com
>
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> Hareness Road
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> Aberdeen, AB12 3LE
> UK
>
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>
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>
|
| Subject: |
[Fwd: do not open a message with "I Love You" in the subject!] |
| From: |
w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 09:18:36 -0700 |
|
all my friends who are net ADMINS have sent a mesg to me about this as has my NEWS feeds
> We've been hit with a worm/virus this morning. Two of our 5 plants are down. We've
> instigated emergency shut-downs of all of our email systems. This is not a drill, nor a
> hoax... I thought everybody should know as soon as possible. The email you would
> receive has "I Love You" in the subject line. DO NOT OPEN IT!
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] [Fwd: do not open a message with "I Love You" in the subject!] |
| From: |
Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 11:20:32 -0500 (CDT) |
|
On Thu, 4 May 2000, william wheeler wrote:
> all my friends who are net ADMINS have sent a mesg to me about this as
> has my NEWS feeds
I got a copy from someone I used to work with, followed immediately by
an apology and a supposed fix.
I sent back a brief lecture about the dangers of using Microsoft
products to read email, and why this sort of thing shouldn't be
possible...
Octavius
--
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konoko Network Consulting | Microsoft delenda est.
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| Subject: |
[Fwd: E-Alert: Breaking News]Virus *WARNING* from one of my News feeds |
| From: |
w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 09:25:11 -0700 |
|
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=070180113078056209050218159036129208" >e-alert@--------</a> wrote:
> 05-04-2000 8:10 a.m.
>
> Beware e-mail bearing the subject line
> "ILOVEYOU" or "Love Letter from Me."
>
> It is a computer virus!!!
>
> For complete details to this story, read: <a href="http://209.246.153.141/i.asp?c=525&m=36136&u=309319&did=1&d=http://local.portland.citysearch.com/000504lovebugvirus.html" target="_top" >http://209.246.153.141/i.asp?c=525&m=36136&u=309319&did=1&d=http://local.portland.citysearch.com/000504lovebugvirus.html</a> at www.katu.com
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Who's Coming to Settmour Swamp? Hands Up Please ! |
| From: |
"LegionXXIV" <a h--------"/post/nova--------?p--------ctID=034056178009193116001195151189114012071048139" >legionXXIV@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 12:36:13 -0400 |
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Avete et Salutatio... NovaRoma
Hello and Greetings from Gallio Velius Marsallas,
Praefectus, Legio XXIV Media-Atlantia;
Tribune Militaris - NovaRoma - Gens Velia
aka George W. Metz
13 Post Run Newtown Square, PA 19073-3014
<a h--------"/post/nova--------?p--------ctID=034056178009193116001195151189114012071048139" >legionXXIV@--------</a> 610-353-4982
<a href="http://www.legionXXIV.org" target="_top" >http://www.legionXXIV.org</a>
Is anyone from NovaRoma planning to come to the
Barony of Settmour Swamp? Hands Up Please.
If you can't be at "Roman Days" in June; how about
joining with Legion XXIV near Flemington, New Jersey,
on May 27 & 28 ? at the
Barony of Settmour Swamp - Quest XVII
Fri - Sat - Sun - Mon - May 26 & 29 - 2000
There has been discussion in the past about a
NovaRoma gathering in the Mid-Atlantic Region and
although it is only two weeks before Roman Days;
those of you who can not make it down to Maryland
may want to consider the Quest XVII.
There would be time for a "Roman" conclave and
possibly some pre-discussion of the matters to be
considered at Roman Days.
I am willing to work as a laison between the Barony
and NovaRoma to arrange for our needs.
Please advise Gallio Velius Marsallas aka
Geo--------Metz of Legion XXIV <a h--------"/post/nova--------?p--------ctID=034056178009193116062046186246114012071048139" >legionxxiv@--------</a>
610-353-4982 ASAP if there is any interest in this proposal.
The "Quest" is an outdoor team-hunt for clues and
information which leads to the solving of the Quest's
secret message and goal. It is a ton of fun.
Legion XXIV will have a presence there and would
welcome any other Romani who could attend with us.
Pucks Bottoms Up Quest XVII
Neshanic Station NJ
Friday May 26-Monday May 29
The barony of Settmour Swamp welcomes one and all
(Yes - even Romans) to our 17th annual weekend
camping event. As always, we strive to have something
for everyone to enjoy.
For those who crave battle; bring armor, shield, and sword
and be ready for battle, for there will be fighting events.
These events will be going on all weekend. There will be a
baronial champion chosen for fighting and throwing events
who will represent the barony at future events.
For those who are brewers of fine drink, we will be holding
a brewing contest for beer, wines, and cordials.
As always there will be a mighty Quest. We promise this
years to be extra challenging and fun. The Quest is based on
the play "A Midsummer's Nights Dream".
Food will be served on the weekend for breakfast at a very
reasonable price. Also on the weekend a great feast will be
served as well as the holding of a baronial court by our
Baron Erik and Baroness Merlinia.
Now the site is damp: you may bring beer, wine, or mead
but no distilled alcohol. There will be no running water on site
so we ask that you bring your own.
There will be porta-castles on site as well as a big dumpster.
The county asks that we recycle all bottles,cans,and paper-
please use the recycling containers provided or
bring the empties home with you.
There will be a central fire pit for socializing,and hopefully
there will be some real entertainers among us.
Merchants are most welcome for there is No Charge for
space, though you should bring your own tables.
Pets are allowed but keep them leashed and please
clean up after them.
The site will open on Friday the 26th at 5pm and close
on Monday the 29th at 12 noon.
Prices for the event and the feast are as follows: $8.00 a day
for adults [14+],$4.00 for children [3-13],and under 3 are free.
There is no charge for Monday. The feast will cost 6.00.
All checks should be made out to SCA Barony of Settmour
Swamp. Please include SCA or (roman) and mundane names
of all those attending. Mail all reservations to
Lord Ben e draig[Ben Redditt] PO Box 343 Califon NJ 07830,
--------il <a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=125233214237018132015038190036129" >wohali@--------</a>. For writt--------onformation s--------a
S.A.S.E. Will be taking reservations between April 1 - May 22
Any questions please contact the autocrat Eric the Wandering Horseman
--------Fred Henninger Jr --------609]921-0415 or e-m--------me --------lt;--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=125166234150056209170061000077114253071048139" >w--------rhrse@--------</--------;
Directions:The site is located on the Neshanic Station Fire Dept.
picnic grove corner of River Rd and Elm St Neshanic Station NJ.
Take Rt 206 to county Rd 514 [Amwell Rd] in Hillsborough.
If you are coming from the north turn right onto Rt 514, if you are
coming from the south turn left.
Stay on Rt 514 for about 8 miles until you come to a 3-way
intersection at a large white Church.
Turn right onto Rt 567 [River Rd]. A mile or so down the road
turn left and go across a white metal girder bridge {Elm St].
The site is just across the bridge on the right.
Rt 206 can be reached from routes I-287 and US-22 from the
north and from routes I-95/295, and I-195 from the south.
Any questions contact autocrat.
Hoping to have some Romans with us on May 27 & 28;
Check out our Website <a href="http://www.legionxxiv.org" target="_top" >http://www.legionxxiv.org</a>
It is loaded with links to other roman legions, suppliers
and contacts, along with historical roman organizations
and data. Our "Links" pages, "Roman Names" page,
"Glossary" and "TimeLines" are quite comprehensive.
Take a look.
Thanking you for your interest in Legion XXIV;
I remain, as always,
(take your pick)
Tuus in Sodalicio Imperium Romanae
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Empire
Tuus in Sodalicio Respublica Romanae
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic
Gallio / George
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 834 |
| From: |
Donald and Crystal Meaker <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029056113163056209105098072248155208071048" >meakerfam@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 11:36:12 -0700 |
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Sure, I'll have to convert all of the recipes into text files, so give me
a little bit of time.
Do you think you will ever make it to our BBQ? I know we are no longer
"Roman", but I like to think that we still have friends here. I like to
think a great many things that probably aren't true tho.
I had another request also, and I am working on it.
Pax,
Crys
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:33:34 US/Central
From: &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=034166250009056116130232203056129208071" &g--------bienus@--------&l--------&g--------r>
Subject: Re: More recipes
Salve Crys.
> I also have an additional 29 recipes I just found in another cookbook I
> have online
What a fortuitous coincidence. My wife mentioned that she wants to
collect
more Roman recipes just last night. We'd love to have any recipes you
feel
like sharing.
Vale,
T Labienus Fortunatus
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| Subject: |
you sig line ROCKS Microsoft delenda est.!!!!!! |
| From: |
w--------am wheeler <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=125075047121158135036082190036" >wuffa@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 10:05:08 -0700 |
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:-) the FIX is to run as much non MS software as you can
Felix sometimes pontitff
Message: 25
Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 11:20:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: do not open a message with "I Love You" in the
subject!]
On Thu, 4 May 2000, william wheeler wrote:
> all my friends who are net ADMINS have sent a mesg to me about this as
> has my NEWS feeds
I got a copy from someone I used to work with, followed immediately by
an apology and a supposed fix.
I sent back a brief lecture about the dangers of using Microsoft
products to read email, and why this sort of thing shouldn't be
possible...
Octavius
--
Matt Hu--------(<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a>) |
konoko Network Consulting | Microsoft delenda est.
Graveyards of Chicago: |
<a href="http://www.graveyards.com" target="_top" >http://www.graveyards.com</a> |
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| Subject: |
Virus Warning #2 |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 17:27:12 -0000 |
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We just received,here at my work place, a warning on a second virus
that is labeled,
I Hate You.
No. I am not joking.
Now my limp snese of humor: Maybe the next one will be, "I am
indifferent."
Ericius.
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| Subject: |
Re: Petition to Rescind Resignation |
| From: |
"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=114166234009056153112037203168129208071" >danielov@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 04 May 2000 18:18:34 -0000 |
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I=B4ve just read your post, and I=B4m very glad that you changed
your
mind. Welcome back, my friend.
Pax tecum et bona fortuna
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
--- In <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>, acadianusdraco@a... wrot
> De Acadiano Dracone, Salutationes Sentatu Populoque Novae Romae
>
> That I was overwhelmed by the reaction to my ill-conceived
resignation is
> understating the fact by at least twice. I have never received
such a deluge
> of support, kindness, just chastisement, and sage advice in my
life. My
> friends, I behaved very poorly indeed for a Nova Roman: On account
of two or
> three rather nasty communications which I received privately, for a
moment I
> allowed myself to forget both my responsibilities as a Nova Roman,
as well as
> the privileges and blessings which I have already received during
the short
> time I have been fortunate enough to be among you. I never
imagined that I
> had friends out there such as so many of you have proven to be,
both publicly
> on this List, and privately in correspondence directly to me.
>
> Thus, I offer all of you my apologies. My action was cowardly and
> ungrateful; as Tacitus might correctly say, it was not a manly
deed.
> Furthermore, to simply pack up and walk away from a group of people
like you
> would be total and utter folly. I am forced to admit: Where else
but in
> Nova Roma could I ever hope to find a bigger bunch of licensed
eccentrics and
> certifiable Classicists than all of you? :o)
>
> Therefore, asking of each of you your pardon, and thanking all of
you from
> the bottom of my heart, I humbly ask you all, the People and the
Senate of
> Nova Roma, to accept my Petition to rescind my resignation. I was
wrong.
> Very wrong.
>
> Further, as I promised privately to Alexander Probus of Pannonia
Provincia, I
> assure everyone that his comments to the List (unusual as they
were, IMHO)
> had absolutely nothing to do with my resignation. My resignation
was a
> purely private matter and not the result of anything that needs to
be made
> public. I noted that Probus requested that I post my private
response to him
> of last evening; it appears that he has already done so (short
perhaps a word
> or two and a stray punctuation mark). With all due respect to
Probus'
> request, I see no need to bother you by shooting the horse twice.
>
> I also wish to send my public thanks to Justinia Cassia who, as it
were,
> voluntarily has sought to "cast herself into the Nile" in order to
protect
> me. In the old days, such an act of self-sacrifice was, at least
on one
> occasion that I can recall, considered sufficient cause for
deification.
> Thank you, Justinia. You know, I trust, what I think.
>
> Regarding my gratitude, I have tried to respond to each one of you
> individually to say thank you personally for your kindness and
counsel. If,
> in the chaos of yesterday, I inadvertently did not respond to any
one of you,
> I heartily ask that one's forgiveness. It was an oversight on my
part; my
> sincerest appreciation goes to every one of you.
>
> So, Omnes, if you will have me back, I am ready -- as Marcus
Prometheus
> phrased it -- to "Man(ere) et Pugn(are)." Please agree --
otherwise the
> noble Festus has threatened to do unmentionable things to me in the
event
> that I continue in my folly.
>
> I shall keep you no longer.
>
> Valete Omnes, et gratias vobis ago de corde pleno,
> Adrianus Arius Acadianus Draco
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| From: |
Donald and Crystal Meaker <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029056113163056209105098072248155208071048" >meakerfam@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Thu, 4 May 2000 14:13:33 -0700 |
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Salvete,
This is the complete (so far, I am always looking for more) list of
recipes I have (in the area of ancient Roman stuffs). I have this
complete collection in RegiDean (freeware recipe program @
www.homeplansoftware.com) format should anyone want the entire
collection. I have each recipe in text format as well. I am still
sorting the files on my virtual hard drive, but have the files still on
my hard drive here as well. I will be a bit busy this weekend, as it is
our Kalends celebration Saturday this weekend and may not be able to get
to those who have asked until Monday.
Soooooo, who wants what. I ain't got much, but I'm willing to share.
Crystal Meaker
ALITER BAEDINAM SIVE AGNINAM EXCALDATAM (Steamed Lamb)
Artichokes cooked in herbs
Baian Stew (Apicius 433)
Baked Red Mullet in a Fennel and Mint Sauce
CASSEROLE APICIUS WITH MEAT OR FISH
Cecina (Chick Pea Pancake)
CHEESE PIE {CROSTATA DI RICOTTA}
Cheese Sweetened with Honey
FABACIAE VIRIDES ET BAIANAE (Green and Baian Beans)
Fava Beans Vitellius
Fried Bread (Apicius 298)
Grilled Lobster (Apicius 399)
Honey Frittata Apicius 303
HOT FISH-PICKLE
IN MITULIS (Sea Mussels)
IN VITULINAM ELIXAM (Boiled Veal)
ISICIA OMENTATA (a kind of Roman Burgers)
LEEKS WITH CELERY
MILD FISH PICKLE
MINUTAL MARINUM (Seafood Fricassee)
Parthian' Roast Lamb or Kid
Patina de Apua Fricta (Apicius 147)
PATINA DE PISCICULIS (Soufflee of Small Fishes)
Pine Nut Sauce for Eggs (Apicius 329)
PULLUM FRONTONIANUM (Chicken a la Fronto)
PULLUS FUSILIS (Chicken With Liquid Filling)
ROAST PORK IN CUMIN SAUCE
Roasted Sea Bream (Apicius 460)
Roman Figs with Cream
SARDA ITA FIT (Tuna)
Savillum
SCILLAS (Big Shrimps)
Seasoned Mussels (Apicius 420)
Shellfish Sausage in Wine Sauce (Apicius)
Spelt Cakes
SPINACH ROMAN STYLE
Sweet Stuffed Sardines with Eggs
VITELLINA FRICTA (Fried Veal)
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