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Subject:	Welcome Acadianus / The Gender Edictum
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=014130014161146028033082190" >bvm3@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 02:02:51 +0200

M. Apollonius Formosanus Acadiano Draconi et Omnibus
Quiritibus S.P.D.

WELCOME BACK (or maybe "welcome still here?") Acadiane!!!
:-) :o) ;-} Following good advice is sometimes harder than
giving it. I am absolutely delighted that you followed that
of the overwhelming majority of responsible and decent Nova
Romans. And I am also thankful to and proud of all who
supported you so actively and generously. You can well
consider Nova Roma Home.

The following comment was recently posted:
=====
"Message: 3
Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:33:55 +0100
From: "Nick Ford"
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123056234112159192112061175246231253136100139046209" >gens_moravia@--------</a>
Subject: Re: Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy

"O si divi volentii... consider the transexuality of
Iuppiter, of Hercules,
of Attis, of Dionysius, of Minerva, and then ask yourselves,
Sullus and
the rest, whether your badly-thought-out platitudes that
cross-gender
behaviour is somehow dishonest, are not only facile, but
also impious.

"I hope and trust that the Senate and People of Nova Roma
will indeed
overturn this gratuitous piece of hurtful foolishness, which
was rushed
in as an Edictum Censorium, without any preliminary
consultation or
debate.

"Vado."
=====

I do not entirely approve of the way this posting might seem
overcritical of our Censor Lucius Cornelius Sulla, as I
admire his energy and service to Nova Roma and am grateful
that at last, thanks to him, I can finally find my name in
the Album Civium and feel myself a real Nova Roman.

However, it has not been long since I made a public proposal
here that the edictum in question might be profitably
refined to say that a person's civil gender for purposes of
our citizenship should simply be based on that civil gender
the applicant for naturalisation already has in his
country/state of origin or residence (not on a personal body
check). Thus ensuring that transsexual individuals would
have all the rights they enjoy in their immediate society.
Thus ensuring that these touchy things would be decided
elsewhere than here where controversy and verification are
problematic. Thus ensuring that Nova Roma like other normal
States of the world would be recognising the civil status
accorded by other jurisdictions.

This can all be done without sacrificing the principle of
honesty, and without loosing the desired discipline in
correspondence of name gender to social gender. I requested
that a reply be given by the Censor if this proposal was not
acceptable to him so that I (and the Nova Roman citizenry)
could understand his reasons for rejecting it. I repeat this
request, respectfully and with no desire for
confrontationalism. Would not such a refinement of the
original edictum be better for Nova Roma?

The fact that the above far stronger post has even now been
presented shows that the issue is not going to go away. I
suppose that if nothing is done by Lucius Cornelius, his new
colleague will be asked to do something. And the affair will
continue for some time, as many cives are persistently
concerned with fairness and good administration. If Sulla
himself were to take voluntary action following further
thought and further listening to public opinion, such an
initiative would reflect very well upon him and upon Nova
Roma.

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Subject:	Re: [ The Gender Edictum
From:
Date:	Thu, 4 May 2000 17:12:43 -0700

> "Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:33:55 +0100
> From: "Nick Ford"
> <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=123056234112159192112061175246231253136100139046209" >gens_moravia@--------</a>
> Subject: Re: Censorial Edicta - Gender Naming Policy
>
> "O si divi volentii... consider the transexuality of
> Iuppiter, of Hercules,
> of Attis, of Dionysius, of Minerva, and then ask yourselves,
> Sullus and
> the rest, whether your badly-thought-out platitudes that
> cross-gender
> behaviour is somehow dishonest, are not only facile, but
> also impious.
>
> "I hope and trust that the Senate and People of Nova Roma
> will indeed
> overturn this gratuitous piece of hurtful foolishness, which
> was rushed
> in as an Edictum Censorium, without any preliminary
> consultation or
> debate.
>
> "Vado."
> =====
>
> I do not entirely approve of the way this posting might seem
> overcritical of our Censor Lucius Cornelius Sulla, as I
> admire his energy and service to Nova Roma and am grateful
> that at last, thanks to him, I can finally find my name in
> the Album Civium and feel myself a real Nova Roman.
>
> However, it has not been long since I made a public proposal
> here that the edictum in question might be profitably
> refined to say that a person's civil gender for purposes of
> our citizenship should simply be based on that civil gender
> the applicant for naturalisation already has in his
> country/state of origin or residence (not on a personal body
> check). Thus ensuring that transsexual individuals would
> have all the rights they enjoy in their immediate society.
> Thus ensuring that these touchy things would be decided
> elsewhere than here where controversy and verification are
> problematic. Thus ensuring that Nova Roma like other normal
> States of the world would be recognising the civil status
> accorded by other jurisdictions.
>
> This can all be done without sacrificing the principle of
> honesty, and without loosing the desired discipline in
> correspondence of name gender to social gender. I requested
> that a reply be given by the Censor if this proposal was not
> acceptable to him so that I (and the Nova Roman citizenry)
> could understand his reasons for rejecting it. I repeat this
> request, respectfully and with no desire for
> confrontationalism. Would not such a refinement of the
> original edictum be better for Nova Roma?
>
> The fact that the above far stronger post has even now been
> presented shows that the issue is not going to go away. I
> suppose that if nothing is done by Lucius Cornelius, his new
> colleague will be asked to do something. And the affair will
> continue for some time, as many cives are persistently
> concerned with fairness and good administration. If Sulla
> himself were to take voluntary action following further
> thought and further listening to public opinion, such an
> initiative would reflect very well upon him and upon Nova
> Roma.

Sulla: I think I should comment on this considering it keeps coming up. If
you folks read Marius's Roman Outpost message board you will see that Marius
and I have been going around this topic for a while. I have told her my
reasoning and I have even given her a back door to refine the Edictum. She
says she has 6 years of Constitutional Law Research. So she is researching
various macronational laws regarding the recognition of Trans-gendered
individuals. As I have told her over lengthy discussions my research did
not cater to people of transgendered Genders. I told her that if she wants
the Edicta changed, then she needs to justify that other macronations
recognize those differences becuase Nova Roma will eventually become a
macronation and therefore, in an effort for continued respectability and
conformity with those macronations we will follow their example. I have
even made it easy for her. By asking for 1 example of a macronation. My
Edictum was established as precedent by the previous Censors, as I have
noted in my Edictum. And, until proof is offered otherwise, it stands.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor


Subject:	Greetings and Salutations
From:	"Shelly Mohnkern" <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=061015192078018028015154190036129" >shelly@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 4 May 2000 19:00:28 -0400

To all Citizens of Nova Roma, Greetings!

I am a newer citizen of Nova Roma, and an unrepentant lurker. I wanted to
briefly introduce myself. I am Rosa Lusoria Gemina Mala, a member of gens
Lusoria, and an applicant to the ranks of the Religio, although to a branch
there does not seem to be much current knowledge of in Nova Roma to date.
(At least, this is my impression after lurking for several months)
I am a Priestess of Isis, and have set about building a Temple in Her name
here in Nova Roma. I welcome any questions anyone might have regarding Her
worship, although I do warn that I am still in the learning phase regarding
historical worship... I also welcome any recommendations as to source
material... I have an abundance of local library resources quite near at
hand, with the Library of Congress just a few miles away...
At any rate, I am happy to be here in Nova Roma, and wish you all well.

May the Blessings of the Sacred Mother be with you all.

Rosa Lusoria Gemina Mala

p.s. on a more mundane note... it was recently discovered that posting a
"Vacation" message on your e-mail can cause an endless loop effect on
Egroups. Another list I belong too nearly crashed due to a vacation message.
I earnestly suggest that if any citizen feels they absolutely MUST place a
vacation auto-respond on their e-mail, that they unsubscribe from any
e-groups they are listed on.
Thanks!


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Greetings and Salutations
From:
Date:	Thu, 4 May 2000 20:10:37 -0700

Salve and greetings!

Let me welcome you to the Nova Roma list. :)

The Gens Lusoria is quite a large one....and I noticed your Gens has its own
e-mail list. :) As does mine, the Gens Cornelia. If there is anything I
can do to assist you please dont hesitate to ask.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
----- Original Message -----
Fro--------#34;Shelly Mohnkern" <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=061015192078018028015154190036129" >shelly@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 4:00 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Greetings and Salutations

> To all Citizens of Nova Roma, Greetings!
>
> I am a newer citizen of Nova Roma, and an unrepentant lurker. I wanted to
> briefly introduce myself. I am Rosa Lusoria Gemina Mala, a member of gens
> Lusoria, and an applicant to the ranks of the Religio, although to a
branch
> there does not seem to be much current knowledge of in Nova Roma to date.
> (At least, this is my impression after lurking for several months)
> I am a Priestess of Isis, and have set about building a Temple in Her name
> here in Nova Roma. I welcome any questions anyone might have regarding Her
> worship, although I do warn that I am still in the learning phase
regarding
> historical worship... I also welcome any recommendations as to source
> material... I have an abundance of local library resources quite near at
> hand, with the Library of Congress just a few miles away...
> At any rate, I am happy to be here in Nova Roma, and wish you all well.
>
> May the Blessings of the Sacred Mother be with you all.
>
> Rosa Lusoria Gemina Mala
>
> p.s. on a more mundane note... it was recently discovered that posting a
> "Vacation" message on your e-mail can cause an endless loop effect on
> Egroups. Another list I belong too nearly crashed due to a vacation
message.
> I earnestly suggest that if any citizen feels they absolutely MUST place a
> vacation auto-respond on their e-mail, that they unsubscribe from any
> e-groups they are listed on.
> Thanks!
>
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Greetings and Salutations
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 4 May 2000 23:15:08 EDT

Salve,

Did you read Isis In The Ancient World by Witt?

Gaius Lupinius Festus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Welcome Acadianus / The Gender Edictum
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 4 May 2000 23:40:39 -0400 (EDT)

Salve, Citizens;

I also welcome back Draco to the arms of Nova Roma. He has proven
himself to be a sensitive individual of significant intellectual and
humanistic worth. Not only that but I believe that I have detected in
him a true sense of humor and a feeling for the needs of other people.
I am very glad tat your footsteps have directed your return into our
little world and I welcome you most heartly----now get back to work and
finish that great piece of work that you were working on---vacation's
over!! (Grinnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!)

Vale, With Great Pleasure;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	THE OFFICIAL RESULTS: The Elections
From:
Date:	Fri, 5 May 2000 04:17:01 EDT

Salvete citizens.
The Rogatores have sent us their final tally.
For Censor
Caius Marius Merullus: carried tribes
II,III,V,VI,VII,IX,XIII,XIV,XVI,XVII,XVIII,
XIX,XXIII,XXV,XXVI,XXVIII,XXIX,XXXII,
XXXIII,XXXIV,XXXV

Gaius Africanus Secundus Germanicus : Carried tribes XX,XXVII,XXXI

Ties: tribes IV,VIII,XXII Caius Marius Merullus wins

For Curule Aedile
Both Candidates: II,III,IV,VI,VII,VIII,IX,XIII,XIV,XVI,
XVIII,XIX,XX,XXIII,XVI,XXIX,XXXI

Marcus Octavius Germanicus: carried V,XVII,XXII,XXV,XXVII,XXVIII,XXXII,XXXIII,
XXXIV
Quintus Gaufridus Canus : carried XXXV

Octavius received the greater number of votes. Therefore for matters of
precedence will be considered Senior.
Thank you all for participating. Newly Elected Magistrates will find their
oath of office at <a href="http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191002.html" target="_top" >http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/lex99191002.html</a>
You may post your oath on the Forum or the Bulletin Board.

Congratulations to the winners.
Valete!
Q. Fabius Maximus
M. Minucius Audens
Consuls


Subject:	Salvete ex Sarmatia!
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 15:44:31 YEKST

Salvete omnes,

I was a member of the list some months ago, and now I'm here again -
technical problems are solved - in the END! So, warm salute from Sarmatia to
all of the NovaRomans!

AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS
CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE
PROPRAETOR SARMATIAE PROVINCIAE

LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST

VALETE IN PACE

P.S. I'll try to be as quiet as possible this time in this list, OK? ;-))

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Salvete ex Sarmatia!
From:
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 02:54:10 -0700

Salve!

Welcome back!

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> I was a member of the list some months ago, and now I'm here again -
> technical problems are solved - in the END! So, warm salute from Sarmatia to
> all of the NovaRomans!
>
> AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS
> CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE
> PROPRAETOR SARMATIAE PROVINCIAE
>
> LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
>
> VALETE IN PACE
>
> P.S. I'll try to be as quiet as possible this time in this list, OK? ;-))
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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Subject:	Re: I ask.., UnRoman Myths, East-West bullshit
From:	hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 12:53:19 +0200

Salvete Nova Romani,

So, many of you assure me that my request for removing Marcus Prometheus
from the list for personal insults and dehonestating is irelevant.

To avoid any misunderstandings I am going to cite Prometheus and to
present what I find to be insulting there. If you find that there was
nothing insulting so I beg your pardon and will treat you in the same
manner as Prometheus treats me.

Marcus Prometheus:
<<Hadji>>

I have never signatured any of my posts by Hadji. Hadji is nothing than
email address abreviation of my real family name which is Hadjiivanov. I
am proud of that name I do not allow to anybody to invalide it. That
insults me.

Marcus Prometheus:
<<The question has no common sense at all>>

Starting discussion with anybody with declaration that his questions
have no sence is not polite nor acceptable. That insults me too. I have
never allowed myself to write about anybody's post that his questions
are senceless.

Marcus Prometheus:
<<As usually dear Hadji you can imagine very wildly what you want,
but the propaganda man it's just you and in my modest opinion
in favour of things which do not belong or are not central to
a list dedicated to Rome, and which calls itself NOVAROMA.>>

What I imagine is my personal thing and nobody have the right to put in
my mind different not mine dreams.
That is insulting.

Marcus Prometheus:
<<So if this list is for people christian jew or pagan, (but both
accepting at least to HONOUR the ancient Religio Romana) , then, why
do you attack somebody
who raises simply the very on topic subject of pagans sufferings and
"martyrdoms" ?,>>

I do respect all the believs of my fellows not only Roman. What a given
person respect is his/her personal matter. I do not touch anybodys'
believe, and do not allow to anybody to touch that mine. But to make
false construction about me presenting me as non religious tolerant
person is insulting.

<<Were them less true than Christians martyrdoms ?
I say not. It is a fact or not ?
and why you try to put the "guilty" of medioeval history
on your idea of the west (evil, of course)>>

Irelevant questions. Posting that Prometheus make false inditions that I
do got the oposite opinion. That is as puting in ones' mouth own
constructions and finaly blaming him for that. That is insulting too.

<<It's a sick fantasy to understand it so, and I strongly object to this
way of defaming or silencing him because he posted true factual
information about a subject of great interest for most people on the
list.>>

I have asked Draco for explaination and have presented some facts of
religious persecutions out of the Roman East. So, one more time
Prometheus blame me with insulting words as "sick fantasy". That is
unacceptable and dehonestating behaviour on the public forum.

Marcus Prometheus:
<<And for such propaganda you also use false or dubious figures
I quote:
Indians in America (50 millions brutaly murdered humans), etc etc etc.
Where did you find such figure?>>

Was that a kind request to specify the sources I used? How one can blame
me for lies (false figures) without controlling sources I have used.
That book where from I got this number exists and was not written by me.
Such a behaviour is insulting.

<<Your anti western agenda out of subject of martyrdom>>

One more time false constructions. So, if presenting few facts of
religious persecution on the West are "anti-western propaganda" how can
I evaluate glorification of pagan West and a complete register of
persecutions done by Eastern officials only? Oh right, that is not
"anti-eastern propaganda".

Marcus Prometheus:
<<Are you proud of the Russian czarist Pogroms against Jews too ?
And the Protocols of the wise men of Zion were not produced by
czarist Okrana (Russian secret police)?>>

Anti Russian feelings of Prometheus are well known to me and other Nova
Romans from the previous Prometheus' posts' (Cremlin chieftains, Asiatic
barbarian etc terms). Allowing for such a person to present
nationalistic moods, you Nova Romans make a dangerous precedens which
will result in close the doors of Nova Roma for several mostly
east-europeans nations. Non of us likes to hear negative posts about his
folk. Why the Russians may do exception?
Prometheus asks for presenting positive facts. I agree, but let him to
follow what he have said alone.
I blame Prometheus for attempt to fire nationalism and enimity among
east-europeans.

Marcus Prometheus:
<<The great orthodox saint ?
And were not carried out by all the Eastern Emperors?
They did not last many centuries JUST BECAUSE one single century
or 2 were usually enough to wipe out the opponent of the moment, the
heretics.>>

Why he said that? To create imagination that I support the opposite.
Nothing than dirty tricks. Such a treatment insults me.

Marcus Prometheus:
<<BUT they were not exterminated like 20% of Moldavians from Stalin
not exterminated 100% like 12.000 polish officers at Katyn
from the same Eastern Despot.
And both (Polish and Moldavians) were officially allied of Russians.>>

Who have started here with the modern policy. But all of you honest
Romans were silent, including you Antonio Gryllus. For a reason which I
could only consider about Prometheus probably thought that citing facts
about communist crimes will angered me.
It really angered me but not becaused of the reason Prometheus thought.
Simply his construction is created to excuse the modern anti-Russian
dreams for historical revanche of Moldavian and Polish nationalists. I
know how the nationalists in some eastern countries beat Russian,
Ukrainian or other post Soviet republics tourists or simply workers who
work there and excuse that with the same rethoric as Prometheus. They
simply missed or do not like to see the simple fact that communists were
who were doing masacres not Russians generalized as communists. Actually
there were millions of Russians murdered by the regime. That is the
reasons I blame Prometheus for nationalism.

Marcus Prometheus:
<<So there is no good example to be made of "East" at all.>>

What a false rethoric from a person a while ago calling for presenting
good examples. Such a false is difficult to see. I blame Prometheus for
lies.

<<Western history of some religious tolerance begins just with the
wars of religion when we were not able to kill ALL the adverse field.
So only at the end of the thirty year war ,
Catholics learned that they were unable to kill all Protestants.
And vice versa.
Just this incapacity (after a lot of trying) was
the beginning of change.
Not very glorious beginning, but so.
Some glorious free thinking followed later,
but the incapacity to kill all adversaries triggered it.>>

I do not agree. There have always been in history noble and tolerant
persons.

Marcus Prometheus:
<<You know Mr.. Hadji in the west we are modestly proud of the
said little amounts of moderation, tolerance, perhaps of
free thinking and rationalism too which followed
the carnage, not so much proud of the previous carnage itself,
or of Hitlerist fall in the old habits of carnage.>>

Is that not a flattering yourselvs?

Marcus Prometheus:
<<Also please avoid the paranoia of feeling attacked by
simple post listing simple facts.
Do you want more facts ? OK>>

So, that mine is paranoia but when some publish what all of you are
accustomed to hear is a "presenting a facts only". Strange sence of
fairness.

Marcus Prometheus:

I must quote again your last 3 lines also to thank you for
the capital letter used for EAST and NOT for WEST

It was nothing but a type mistake. I have got a right to do it.But I can
not understand why Prometheus' thanks me for that. Probably he supposed
that as "final evidence" of my biaseness. One more false construction.

<<Ottomans and Czarist and more recently the Soviet worker's paradise,
and it is true that all empires (since Alexander's the Great )
must find a way of being officially somehow multiethnic
if they want to survive a time, (only Hitler's stupidity could try a
different course and in fact didn't lasted at all), BUT these 3 brutal
(not western) empires are not the source of inspiration for human rights
or political right of modern men
(except of course for some people who might have nostalgia of
czarist panslavism, of soviet eastern communism or of Islamic
caliphate,
dear Hadji)>>

I wonder how one can so confidently said that knows the thought of
another person. Prometheus explore such well known facts only to present
me as a suporter of totalitarian and teroristic regimes. That is
insulting. And he surely included there the Arabian khaliphate
considering me as Arab. Nothing than attempt to insult me falsificating
my kultural and ethnic background. As for Panslavism, who is telling us
that - the same person who few months ago applied for Latine brotherhood
and speaks for defending the Limes from barbarians (he have named there
Bulgarians, Hungarians, Russians and Ukrainians). Dont you remember that
fellows Nova Romans or your memory is so short?

Marcus Prometheus:
<<Fine, and waiting, -- until now
I have seen only anti western hate mail
and zero facts to support it.>>

That is not true. One more insulting false and dehonestating
construction.

Marcus Prometheus:
<<This is the point, which is your hidden agenda ?
Why do you despise so much all what is western ?
Rome was and is in that despised west
Or you read Nova Roma just only as the second Rome,
Byzantium the pearl of the Saint Constantine ?
Or perhaps you read NovaRoma as the third Rome, Moscow,
the beacon of czarist orthodox pogroms civilization first
and of Soviet gulag paradise later?
What about a fourth Rome where to make the holy Muslim pilgrimage,
the so called Hadji to holy Khaba in Mecca dear Mr. Hadji ?>>

Irelevant false construction. He put in my mouth words I have never
said. Is that not a reason for blaming him? One more time he falsificate
my ethnic religious backgroud. What will happend if I start to post
whatsever I like about you. Will you accept that as you silently accept
his lies? Thank you. I see you are very very tolerant when some other is
insulted and dehonestated.
I do not pretend for his bannishment but the simple justice says that
for such a numeral insults there must be at least humble appology.

Vale

Alexander

Who has myths ?

And especially who has UNROMAN MYTHS ?

Marcus Prometheus
Having western and (relatively) Eastern myths
(Prometheus was Greek and ended further East in the Caucasus
but his myth is in coherence with western civilization).
Appreciating also Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, Epicurus, Buddha and
Confucius.


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Date:	Fri, 5 May 2000 06:25:29 -0700

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: I ask.., UnRoman Myths, East-West bullshit
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 5 May 2000 12:35:42 +0100

Salve Alexander Probus

In fact I don't know Prometheus, and never talked to him. I know you and
have you as a friend. Nevertheless, I cannot agree with many of your
statements and I think you are overreacting. Prometheus was polite in the
majority of his statements, and I think that he only started to get "hot" as
the debate got more tough. Maybe the same applies for you.

Before commenting some specific parts I have to say something about
nationalism, which agrees with a previous statement by Consul Marcus
Minucius Audens.
Portugal and Brasil have just celebrated the 500th aniversary of the
Portuguese discovery of Brasil. People were very happy in Portugal, but...
The same did not happen in Brasil. The Indian chieftains of Brasil told -
with reason - that there was nothing to celebrate but death and slavery. In
fact, for them, nothing was discovered for they were there before the
Portuguese. Also, the "without land" (many are black, descendent from
slaves) had nothing to celebrate but the misery and the corruption of the
"Portuguese descendents who still govern Brasil at Brasilia". I have watched
the news and heard all these people hating the Portuguese. I could not stop
thinking: "These people are right".
Am I a traitor? No! I feel proud of those men who went in small ships to
discover new lands in unknown seas. But I condemn most of the acts they
performed once they landed: killing of Indians, slavery, forced conversion
of pagans to Christianity, Inquisition. As such, I also feel proud of the
Indians and black people who were able to stand or survive the crimes of the
Portuguesea and keep their culture.
If anyone speaks to me about the crimes of the Portuguese, I will simply
say: Yes, we have committed barbarous crimes. And I will add that we have
committed similar crimes in our colonial wars in Africa, in the 1960s and
70s. Yes, I'm ashamed of many criminal acts of villages destroyed, pregnant
women having their bellies open by Portuguese soldiers and their foetuses
grilled in the fire. Well, but I will then add that in the 25th April of
1974 all that fascist nightmare ended and now Portugal enjoys Democracy,
frienship with other democratic countries, and its economy and technology
are rapidly developing. But I don't forget the shame of past acts, though I
also know that I am not responsible for them.

Now some comments:

>Marcus Prometheus:
><<Hadji>>
>
>I have never signatured any of my posts by Hadji. Hadji is nothing than
>email address abreviation of my real family name which is Hadjiivanov. I
>am proud of that name I do not allow to anybody to invalide it. That
>insults me.
For the Gods' sake, Alexander!

>Marcus Prometheus:
><<The question has no common sense at all>>
>
>Starting discussion with anybody with declaration that his questions
>have no sence is not polite nor acceptable. That insults me too. I have
>never allowed myself to write about anybody's post that his questions
>are senceless.
For the Gods' sake, Alexander! He probably wanted to say "it is not that
that we are discussing, so please don't take the matter that way", wwhich
although expressing an opinion, states it in a very polite way. Prometheus
did not say "shut up your big mouth!"

>Marcus Prometheus:
><<As usually dear Hadji you can imagine very wildly what you want,
>but the propaganda man it's just you and in my modest opinion
> in favour of things which do not belong or are not central to
>a list dedicated to Rome, and which calls itself NOVAROMA.>>
>
>What I imagine is my personal thing and nobody have the right to put in
>my mind different not mine dreams.
>That is insulting.
For the Gods' sake, Alexander! Prometheus just said that your talking is out
of the context of Nova Roma! Where is the unpoliteness? Where is he insult.

>Marcus Prometheus:
><<So if this list is for people christian jew or pagan, (but both
>accepting at least to HONOUR the ancient Religio Romana) , then, why
>do you attack somebody
>who raises simply the very on topic subject of pagans sufferings and
>"martyrdoms" ?,>>
>
>I do respect all the believs of my fellows not only Roman. What a given
>person respect is his/her personal matter. I do not touch anybodys'
>believe, and do not allow to anybody to touch that mine. But to make
>false construction about me presenting me as non religious tolerant
>person is insulting.
For the Gods' sake, Alexander! Who has presented you that way? Prometheus
simply wanted to face you with a contradiction in your attitude.

><<Were them less true than Christians martyrdoms ?
> I say not. It is a fact or not ?
> and why you try to put the "guilty" of medioeval history
>on your idea of the west (evil, of course)>>
>
>Irelevant questions. Posting that Prometheus make false inditions that I
>do got the oposite opinion. That is as puting in ones' mouth own
>constructions and finaly blaming him for that. That is insulting too.
For the Gods' sake, Alexander!

><<It's a sick fantasy to understand it so, and I strongly object to this
>way of defaming or silencing him because he posted true factual
>information about a subject of great interest for most people on the
>list.>>
>
>I have asked Draco for explaination and have presented some facts of
>religious persecutions out of the Roman East. So, one more time
>Prometheus blame me with insulting words as "sick fantasy". That is
>unacceptable and dehonestating behaviour on the public forum.
For the Gods' sake, Alexander!

>Marcus Prometheus:
><<And for such propaganda you also use false or dubious figures
> I quote:
> Indians in America (50 millions brutaly murdered humans), etc etc etc.
>Where did you find such figure?>>
>
>
>Was that a kind request to specify the sources I used? How one can blame
>me for lies (false figures) without controlling sources I have used.
>That book where from I got this number exists and was not written by me.
>Such a behaviour is insulting.
For the Gods' sake, Alexander! He has only asked for sources in the same way
you asked Draco for explanations.

><<Your anti western agenda out of subject of martyrdom>>
>
>One more time false constructions. So, if presenting few facts of
>religious persecution on the West are "anti-western propaganda" how can
>I evaluate glorification of pagan West and a complete register of
>persecutions done by Eastern officials only? Oh right, that is not
>"anti-eastern propaganda".
For the Gods's sake, Alexander! We were discussing Pagan martyrdon, not East
vs West.

>Marcus Prometheus:
><<Are you proud of the Russian czarist Pogroms against Jews too ?
>And the Protocols of the wise men of Zion were not produced by
> czarist Okrana (Russian secret police)?>>
>
>Anti Russian feelings of Prometheus are well known to me and other Nova
>Romans from the previous Prometheus' posts' (Cremlin chieftains, Asiatic
>barbarian etc terms). Allowing for such a person to present
>nationalistic moods, you Nova Romans make a dangerous precedens which
>will result in close the doors of Nova Roma for several mostly
>east-europeans nations. Non of us likes to hear negative posts about his
>folk. Why the Russians may do exception?
> Prometheus asks for presenting positive facts. I agree, but let him to
>follow what he have said alone.
>I blame Prometheus for attempt to fire nationalism and enimity among
>east-europeans.
For the Gods's sake, Alexander! What about your Eastern nationalism?

>Marcus Prometheus:
><<The great orthodox saint ?
>And were not carried out by all the Eastern Emperors?
>They did not last many centuries JUST BECAUSE one single century
>or 2 were usually enough to wipe out the opponent of the moment, the
>heretics.>>
>
>Why he said that? To create imagination that I support the opposite.
>Nothing than dirty tricks. Such a treatment insults me.
For the Gods' sake, Alexander!

>Marcus Prometheus:
><<BUT they were not exterminated like 20% of Moldavians from Stalin
>not exterminated 100% like 12.000 polish officers at Katyn
> from the same Eastern Despot.
>And both (Polish and Moldavians) were officially allied of Russians.>>
>
>Who have started here with the modern policy. But all of you honest
>Romans were silent, including you Antonio Gryllus. For a reason which I
>could only consider about Prometheus probably thought that citing facts
>about communist crimes will angered me.
>It really angered me but not becaused of the reason Prometheus thought.
>Simply his construction is created to excuse the modern anti-Russian
>dreams for historical revanche of Moldavian and Polish nationalists. I
>know how the nationalists in some eastern countries beat Russian,
>Ukrainian or other post Soviet republics tourists or simply workers who
>work there and excuse that with the same rethoric as Prometheus. They
>simply missed or do not like to see the simple fact that communists were
>who were doing masacres not Russians generalized as communists. Actually
>there were millions of Russians murdered by the regime. That is the
>reasons I blame Prometheus for nationalism.
Alexander, here you have the right to blame Prometheus.

>Marcus Prometheus:
><<So there is no good example to be made of "East" at all.>>
>
>What a false rethoric from a person a while ago calling for presenting
>good examples. Such a false is difficult to see. I blame Prometheus for
>lies.
Well, I don't know the context, but yes, this statement seems to be
insulting to the East.

><<Western history of some religious tolerance begins just with the
>wars of religion when we were not able to kill ALL the adverse field.
>So only at the end of the thirty year war ,
>Catholics learned that they were unable to kill all Protestants.
>And vice versa.
>Just this incapacity (after a lot of trying) was
>the beginning of change.
>Not very glorious beginning, but so.
>Some glorious free thinking followed later,
>but the incapacity to kill all adversaries triggered it.>>
>
>I do not agree. There have always been in history noble and tolerant
>persons.
In this I agree with you, Alexander.

>Marcus Prometheus:
><<Also please avoid the paranoia of feeling attacked by
>simple post listing simple facts.
>Do you want more facts ? OK>>
>
>So, that mine is paranoia but when some publish what all of you are
>accustomed to hear is a "presenting a facts only". Strange sence of
>fairness.
Facts can be presented freely on either side.

ETC. - I'm tired to discuss the rest.

Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] A few Roman Recipes
From:
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 12:08:47 +0000

I did a nice Roman feast on Feb for SCA A&S, centering
around fish. If anyone is interested in seeing the
project let me know and I'll email it. The project took
a very high second place and will go to Kingdom A&S at
the end of this month.
Hugs.
Gladatrix
> In searching through my cookbooks, I have come across many Roman Recipes
> I am willing to share with people should they be interested. They
> include:
>
>
> CASSEROLE APICIUS WITH MEAT OR FISH
>
> CHEESE PIE {CROSTATA DI RICOTTA}
>
> HOT FISH-PICKLE
>
> LEEKS WITH CELERY
>
> MILD FISH PICKLE
>
> ROAST PORK IN CUMIN SAUCE
>
> Roman Figs with Cream
>
> Spelt Cakes
>
> SPINACH ROMAN STYLE
>
>
> If you are interested, please let me know.
>
>
> Pax,
> Crystal Meaker
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Curule Aedile's Oath of Office
From:	"Jeffrey L. Graham" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045056047121127198187242109140244253188098030046209130" >--------reygraham@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 5 May 2000 08:18:02 +0000

I, Jeffrey L. Graham (Quintus Gaufridus Canus), do hereby solemnly
swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests
of the
people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Gaufridus Canus, swear to
honor the
Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the
Roman
Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Quintus Gaufridus Canus, swear to uphold and defend the Religio
Romana as the State
Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
threaten its
status as the State Religion.
I, Quintus Gaufridus Canus, swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova
Roma.
I, Quintus Gaufridus Canus, further swear to fulfill the obligations
and
responsibilities of the office of Curule Aedile to the best of my
abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept
the
position of Curule Aedile and all the rights, privileges, obligations,
and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: I ask.., UnRoman Myths, East-West bullshit
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 5 May 2000 08:21:30 EDT

Salve Pontifex Graecus,

I like and agree with your approach to your Portuguese background. I am
very pleased with being a US citizen, and I am thankful the US exists. The
fact that the western expansion displaced and decimated the American Indian
tribes is one that needs to be faced, and is faced everyday. But this in no
way diminishes my pleasure at living in the US. I would much rather live
here than anywhere else.
The present is what concerns me most. As long as there is an equal
opportunity to suceed at whatever one wishes to achieve, then the national
ideals are being upheld. Many decendents of Indians and slaves are full
functioning members of the society. As for those who wish to develop alcohol
problems on a reservation, or whine over "reparations" for slave labor they
never had to perform, I have no sympathy for them.

One last thing...Thanks to the liberties protected in the US, Nova Roma
can legally exist and grow as a corporated body. I don't think some other
nations would allow this, seeing it instead as "subversive". This is
something else Nova Romans may be thankful for.

Gaius Lupinius Festus


Subject:	Re: Re: I ask.., UnRoman Myths, East-West bullshit
From:	hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 14:16:00 +0200

Salve Antonio et alii,

Thank you for your post. I do appreciate the fact you find some time to
answer me. By the way I was very glad to hear an objective opinion even
assureing me that I was wrong for some of the "insulting posts". I would
be glad to know I was mistaken due to Prometheus, but I can not be so
sure without hearing his explainations.
I always try to believe nothing is so black as it sees on the first
sign.

<<ETC. - I'm tired to discuss the rest.>>

So am I and from the very beginning of that outrageous discussion. I am
sure all of us are so honest and do believe in true and justice.
I would like publicly to present my appologies to Draco for suspecting
him for tendencious ani-eastern propaganda. Probably my affected replies
were caused by really very strong medial (pro-western) propaganda (in
accordance with our NATO membership aplication for membership) in my
countries. There is so great number of foolishness in our newspapers
that we became too sensetive to any touch on choosen themes.
I am sorry for boring you with that.

Valete and I wish you all a nice weekend

Alexander I.C. Probus

Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus


Subject:	The Gender Edictum / Welcome to Isis!
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=014130014161146028033082190" >bvm3@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 14:47:24 +0200

Salve O Luci Corneli Sulla, Censor Novoromane!

I thank you very much for your kind reply to my inquiry
about the Gender Edictum. I am glad that something is being
done, and look forward to seeing it issue in a fruitful
concrete result for Nova Roma.

Surely your home state has a policy rooted in the U.S.
Constitution, where states are required to give "full faith
and credence" to acts of others, including such things as
civil identity and status. And I suppose the general
practice of macronations, whether China or Andorra [not very
"macro :-) ] is the same. Each believes in the civil
identity (sex, age) and marital status on the passport
issued, unless there is some very special reason not to.
Which is all I am proposing for Nova Roma.

----------------------------
Welcome to the Priestess of Isis!!! I have visited two Roman
temples of Isis in my life, one of which is occasionally
still in active, if intermittent, pagan use, in Savaria, in
western Hungaria. Do you know it? The other was in Stiria
(the Steiermark, Austria), not so very far away.

M. Apollonius Formosanus

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Subject:	Insults, was: UnRoman Myths, East-West b.s.
From:	"Sheridan/ Hibernicus" <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034056178009193132062218055036129208" >legioix@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 13:43:01 -0000

A person can not be insulted unless he chooses to be.

Hibernicus


Subject:	Oath of Office, Curule Aedile
From:	Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a>
Date:	Fri, 5 May 2000 08:51:45 -0500 (CDT)

I, Marcus Octavius Germanicus (Matt Haase), do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Marcus Octavius Germanicus, swear to honor
the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the
Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Marcus Octavius Germanicus, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana
as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that
would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Marcus Octavius Germanicus, swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Marcus Octavius Germanicus, further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Curule Aedile to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept
the position of Curule Aedile and all the rights, privileges, obligations,
and responsibilities attendant thereto.

This I swear by the Gods of the Gens Octavia: Iuppiter Optimus Maximus,
Minerva, and the Divine Augustus.

M. OCTAVIUS GERMANICUS

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Subject:	Iusiurandum C Marii Merulli - oath
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 5 May 2000 10:47:48 -0400

I, Gaius Marius Merullus, named at birth Ryan Merullo, do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Marius Merullus swear to honor the
Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman
Virtues in my public and private life.
I, Gaius Marius Merullus swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as
the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
threaten its status as the State Religion.
I, Gaius Marius Merullus swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
Nova Roma.
I, Gaius Marius Merullus further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of censor to the best of my abilities.
On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of suffect censor and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

Ego Caius Marius Merullus religiose hoc iusiurando me sustenturum esse Novae
Romae honestatem et semper me gesturum pro Populi Senatusque Novae Romae
causis iuro

Magistratus Novae Romae Ego C Marius Merullus me honoraturum esse deos
deasque Romae meis rebus publicis et exerciturum virtutes romanas in publica
privataque re mea iuro

C Marius Merullus religionem romanam defensurum esse ut Novae Romae
religionem publicam ac numquam me gesturum ita ut eius statui publico mala
miniter iuro

C Marius Merullus me protecturum defensurumque esse Novae Romae Ius Publicum
iuro

C Marius Merullus praeterea me peracturum esse officium et debita censoris
pro summis meis viribus iuro

Per meum honorem civis novoromani et coram deos deasque populi romani et
eorum auctoritate favoreque hoc munus suffecti censoris recipio cum omnibus
eius iuribus et privilegiis et officiis et debitis

Vivat Roma
Vivat Nova Roma


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Iusiurandum C Marii Merulli - oath
From:	"George VanDeWater" <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=081166234150056086048038203219129208071" >vandewge@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 09:11:10 -0600

Salve Gaius Marius Merullus,

Let me congradulate you first on your willingness to serve the citizens of =
Nova Roma and secondly on your winning the seat as Censor. I pledge the =
support of myself and my Gens to you in this endevor. I know that NR will =
be well served.

Vale,
Gaius Africanus Secundus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Iusiurandum C Marii Merulli - oath
From:	"George VanDeWater" <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=081166234150056086048038203219129208071" >vandewge@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 09:54:37 -0600


Subject:	Re: Resignation?!
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 16:15:32 -0000

> Mane nobiscum, O Acadiane!
>
> Apollonius
> -----------------------------
> ICQ# 61698049
> Si vis omnia tibi subicere, te subice Rationi. (Seneca)
> [Se vi deziras subigi chion al vi, subigu vin al Racio.]

Salve Apolloni,

Vi parlas Esperanton? ;-)

Perhas some more conlangs? Ido, interlingua?

Vale,

Sarmaticus

P.S. Sorry, don't know your email, so I was not able to send this in
ptivate.


Subject:	Soldier's fare
From:	<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=123202250237229116184218046036129208" >gkbagne@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 16:39:12 -0000

I to am working on Roman recipies, specifically on adapting them for
the field. I need a bit of help from someone who has done military
research. I know eash soldier carried his own cup, pot and spit, but
how big was the pot? Did it have a lid? Clay or iron? Was the cup a
standard size? Not all meals under leather have to be the hardtack,
bacon and sour wine of hard marches. Archaeological surveys of camp
middens record the bones of game, domestic stock, fish and shells.
Thanks in advance for your help, Lapella


Subject:	Re: I ask.., UnRoman Myths, East-West bullshit
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 5 May 2000 12:58:54 -0400

Salvete amice Alexander Probe et alii

I have been silent because I have not wanted to contribute to yet another
flame war. I also am tired of people leaving us over differences that show
themselves in the course of these flame wars.

For what it's worth, I recognize that there has been a very impolite
overreaction to your message. But I ask you to recognize that it is not
sufficient cause to seek anyone's expulsion.

Let's drop our daggers and get on with life.

Valete

C Marius Merullus

>So, many of you assure me that my request for removing Marcus Prometheus
>from the list for personal insults and dehonestating is irelevant.
>

>Who have started here with the modern policy. But all of you honest
>Romans were silent, including you Antonio Gryllus. For a reason which I
>could only consider about Prometheus probably thought that citing facts
>about communist crimes will angered me.

>
>
>


Subject:	Gladiator Movie Opens
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 5 May 2000 15:01:14 EDT

I had a grand time with this film.

It is basically a re-make of the film Fall Of The Roman Empire, with some
elements from Spartacus and Demetrius and the Gladiators.

I especially liked the German Shepherd dog.

Gaius Lupinius Festus


Subject:	Re: Iusiurandum C Marii Merulli - oath
From:	"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 5 May 2000 16:00:13 -0400

Salve C Africane

Thank you for the support, and for having run. I'm glad that the people had
a choice. I shall do my utmost to fulfill this mandate and to continue to
be worthy of your support.

I hope that you will continue to be active and consider running for office
again.

Vale

C Marius Merullus

>
>Let me congradulate you first on your willingness to serve the citizens of
Nova Roma and secondly on your winning the seat as Censor. I pledge the
support of myself and my Gens to you in this endevor. I know that NR will be
well served.
>
>Vale,
>Gaius Africanus Secundus
>
>


Subject:	Fw: <Off Topic but Important> More info about the new virus...
From:	"Nicola Du--------34; <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=091176219007018031015158190036129" >--------la@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 5 May 2000 10:07:11 +0100

> As a point of information for anyone who wants to know more about the
> new virus, here is the URL for the latest info as provided by Symantec,
> who makes Norton Anti-Virus. This page will explain, in fairly simple
> language, all that you need to know about the virus and how to remove it
> if your computer becomes infected.
>
> <a href="http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/vbs.loveletter.a.html" target="_top" >http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/vbs.loveletter.a.html</a>
>
> You can also go to the Microsoft website for information. It would be a
> good idea to go to the website of your Anti-Virus software's
> manufacturer, download the latest virus definition files, and install
> them so that you can be protected from this bug.
>
> This is especially important for those who use Microsoft Outlook Express
> (any version), or who use the chat client mIRC.
>
> It's a dangerous web out there......use protection and always practice
> safe-surf. <grin>


Subject:	Esperanto, Latin, and a Conlanger Unmasked.
From:
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 17:21:01 -0400

Salvete...

"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" wrote:
>
> Salve Apolloni,
>
> Vi parlas Esperanton? ;-)

Of course, you didn't ask me, but...
mi parolas esperanton... malbone. :)
But my Esperanto is better than my Latin, unfortunately.

>
> Perhas some more conlangs? Ido, interlingua?
>

I am a conlanger, through and through... don't do IALs though...
except for the aforementioned Esperanto, and that has nothing to
do with the IAL philosophy.

Ack! Have I just come out of the closet on the Nova Roma list?
Will we have to amend our constitution to say that Nova Roma will
not discriminate against people based on their habit of inventing
languages for no practical purpose? Will a debate and flame war
erupt around this issue? Stay tuned!

I did join the Latinitas list, though I haven't joined in the
conversation yet. I have a fairly serious interest in reviving
conversational Latin, but I am finding that my capacity to juggle
multiple languages is not as great when I am spread so thin in
the rest of my life. Kids and all.

Ursula Numeria Fortunata
--

Mia Soderquist
Firetalk #605102
ICQ #19818811 or 5926593
MSN Messenger/--------ail: <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=224212066182018031172168072077172089134098204046209130" >ursulanumeria@--------</a>


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] A few Roman Recipes
From:	Marcus Pap--------s Justus <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197166104009127132130232203026129208071" >pap--------s@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 19:23:16 -0600

Salvete,

Under this rubric (well-timed) can I ask (on behalf of a question from my
website) how one makes a mola salsa? I seem to be able to find recipes for
practically everything Roman except that ...

mpj

At 12:08 PM 5/5/00 +0000, you wrote:
>I did a nice Roman feast on Feb for SCA A&S, centering
>around fish. If anyone is interested in seeing the
>project let me know and I'll email it. The project took
>a very high second place and will go to Kingdom A&S at
>the end of this month.
>Hugs.
>Gladatrix
> > In searching through my cookbooks, I have come across many Roman Recipes
> > I am willing to share with people should they be interested. They
> > include:
> >
> >
> > CASSEROLE APICIUS WITH MEAT OR FISH
> >
> > CHEESE PIE {CROSTATA DI RICOTTA}
> >
> > HOT FISH-PICKLE
> >
> > LEEKS WITH CELERY
> >
> > MILD FISH PICKLE
> >
> > ROAST PORK IN CUMIN SAUCE
> >
> > Roman Figs with Cream
> >
> > Spelt Cakes
> >
> > SPINACH ROMAN STYLE
> >
> >
> > If you are interested, please let me know.
> >
> >
> > Pax,
> > Crystal Meaker
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Because High School yearbooks are only the beginning, Classmates.com
> > has 6 million registered Alumni and active message boards for over
> > 30,000 High Schools. You'll probably find your memories here:
> > <a href="http://click.egroups.com/1/3957/4/_/61050/_/957445241/" target="_top" >http://click.egroups.com/1/3957/4/_/61050/_/957445241/</a>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: I ask.., UnRoman Myths, East-West bullshit
From:
Date:	Fri, 5 May 2000 18:23:53 -0500

Salve Hadji,

You miss the point. Of course your personal quarrel with Prometheus is
not irrelevant to you -- it is clearly a matter of some passion to you.

But it seems to be irrelevant to the business of Nova Roma -- at least as
far as I can even understand what the quarrel is about.

Please don't try to use this forum or the government of Nova Roma as a
means of carrying on a personal quarrel with another citizen. Swap
insults in private, or ignore him, or sue him if you must, but please
don't clog up this list with any more such lengthy posts about your own
pricked personal pride. Otherwise many of us will be forced to start
deleting your posts unread, and then we would miss the valuable points
you are often making -- about Nova Roma!

Vale,

L. Sergius Aust.

On 5/5/00 5:53 AM hadji (<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a>) wrote:

>Salvete Nova Romani,
>
>So, many of you assure me that my request for removing Marcus Prometheus
>from the list for personal insults and dehonestating is irelevant.
>
>To avoid any misunderstandings I am going to cite Prometheus and to
>present what I find to be insulting there. If you find that there was
>nothing insulting so I beg your pardon and will treat you in the same
>manner as Prometheus treats me.


Subject:	Re: Soldier's fare
From:	"Sheridan/ Hibernicus" <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034056178009193132062218055036129208" >legioix@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 05 May 2000 23:37:49 -0000

--- In <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>, gkbagne@h... wrote:
> I to am working on Roman recipies, specifically on adapting them
for
> the field. I need a bit of help from someone who has done military
> research. I know eash soldier carried his own cup, pot and spit,
but
> how big was the pot? Did it have a lid? Clay or iron? Was the cup a
> standard size? Not all meals under leather have to be the
hardtack,
> bacon and sour wine of hard marches. Archaeological surveys of camp
> middens record the bones of game, domestic stock, fish and shells.
> Thanks in advance for your help, Lapella

Marching camp food was very simple. If your camped for longer then
local fare becomes more abundant.

No yellow cheese, please.

Vinegar, not "sour wine", used to dilute water to help make it
potable.

Check the Lewgio XX site. Matt Amt has lots of good info.

<a href="http://www.larp.com/legioxx/index.html" target="_top" >http://www.larp.com/legioxx/index.html</a>

Hibernicus
Legio IX Hispana