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Imperium |
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Fri, 5 May 2000 17:10:34 -0700 |
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Salve
Since the Ponitifex Maximus is away....who is going to call the Comitia Curiata together to grant Imperium to our two Curule Aediles??
Sulla Felix
Censor
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| Subject: |
Reditum Draconis |
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"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> |
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Fri, 05 May 2000 17:11:43 PDT |
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Welcome back, Draco!
Vad & Aletheia (who reads over Vado's shoulder).
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: I ask.., UnRoman Myths, East-West bullshit |
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Fri, 5 May 2000 20:31:56 EDT |
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Salve Gaius Lupinius Festus,
I totally agree with the first paragraph of your posting, but find the second
to be ahistorical, surprising in an organization that prides itself on
valuing the influence of history.
I would like you to consider that the high alcoholism rates and impoverished
conditions found on some Native American reservations (and the very
reservations themselves) are a direct result of the cultural devastation and
years of misguided US policy directed toward Native Americans.
I quote from "The Gaia Atlas of First Peoples" by Julian Berger (1990), a
text used in anthropology classes at Harvard and the University of Kansas
(and probably other institutions; I only have direct knowledge of these two):
"When people lose their cultural identity and are cut off from their
spiritual roots in the land, they lose the meaning of their lives, their
self-esteem, and their sense of belonging. They are left with a profound
sense of demoralization. Frustration can lead to alcoholism and drug abuse; d
espair can end in suicide." p. 83
This is not to suggest that no one can overcome the obstacle of growing up in
the aftermath of cultural assault. As you state, many do. However, I would
like to suggest a more compassionate understanding be undertaken toward those
who do not, or who have not yet succeeded.
Iustinia Cassia
In a message dated 5/5/0 7:22:19 AM, <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> writes:
<< I like and agree with your approach to your Portuguese background. I am
very pleased with being a US citizen, and I am thankful the US exists. The
fact that the western expansion displaced and decimated the American Indian
tribes is one that needs to be faced, and is faced everyday. But this in no
way diminishes my pleasure at living in the US. I would much rather live
here than anywhere else.
The present is what concerns me most. As long as there is an equal
opportunity to suceed at whatever one wishes to achieve, then the national
ideals are being upheld. Many decendents of Indians and slaves are full
functioning members of the society. As for those who wish to develop alcohol
problems on a reservation, or whine over "reparations" for slave labor they
never had to perform, I have no sympathy for them. >>
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| Subject: |
De Linguis Latina et Esperantica |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=014130014161146028033082190" >bvm3@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 06 May 2000 02:53:02 +0200 |
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Marcus Apollonius Formosanus A. Artorio Ario Sarmatico
S.P.D.
You inquired whether I spoke Esperanto or other
"planlangs" (as I would prefer to put it!). Yes, I am a
lecturer in English, Latin and Esperanto at Adam Mickiewicz
Univerity in Poznan. I suppose all Esperantists have a
fairly good passive knowledge of Ido, especially if they
know Latin too. And knowing Latin, naturally I have a pasive
knowledge of Interlingua, Novial, Latino Sine Flexione, and
Occidental.
I am also a student in the Interlinguistics Programme in
the same university, where we study planned languages and
problems of interethnic linguistic communication, all
classes being conducted for students from Sweden to
Macedonia in Esperanto. Our principal professor of
Interlinguistics proper, Dr. Vera Barandovska-Frank from
Paderborn. emphasises the rôle of Latin as the model for
most proposed planned languages. She is herself a fluent
conversationalist in Latin as well as Esperanto, and works
to bring together members of these two linguistic
communities in an amicable way.
After all, there is a crying need in the European Union for
an interlanguage, and not everyone wants to see English
swamp everyone else's language. Proponents of Latin,
Esperanto and all planned languages at this stage of the
debate all have in common the desire to see a *neutral*
common language, and should be working together.
In a way Europe, the child of the Treaty of Rome, is a new
try at a Roman Empire, more democratic than the original,
but very much inspired by the fact that the Romans already
did it once and made it last for some centuries.
So, please feel free to contact me off list if you want to
talk about Esperantajhoj too specialised and off topic for
this list. I'm at Vizantia and the Latinitas List, and on
ICQ too. (Acadianus also at Latinitas is an Esperantisto
too!)
Vale!
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[Se vi deziras subigi chion al vi, subigu vin al Racio.]
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: I ask.., UnRoman Myths, East-West bullshit |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Fri, 5 May 2000 21:03:21 EDT |
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In a message dated 5/5/00 8:32:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=173075066165082116036098035140229088239144044009209130152" >Justini--------si--------..</--------; writes:
<<
"When people lose their cultural identity and are cut off from their
spiritual roots in the land, they lose the meaning of their lives, their
self-esteem, and their sense of belonging. They are left with a profound
sense of demoralization. Frustration can lead to alcoholism and drug abuse;
d
espair can end in suicide." >>
Salve Justina Cassia,
The quote you posted makes sense, and I won't dispute it. But my
frustration with these people is how many generations does it take for some
some of these people to get with the game? I have known asian imigrants who
leave behind a very different culture. It does cause tensions for them, yes,
but the first generation still can come into society fairly well. None of
these American Indians living today lived during the expansion and had their
ancestral homelands taken away. They never lived the life their ancestors
lost. So I can agree with that quote, but feel at the same time it is more
fitting for those who have actually lost something. The people today never
lost it, for they never had it to begin with.
Gaius Festus
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| Subject: |
Re: Mola Salsa (was re: A Few Roman Recipes) |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Fri, 05 May 2000 18:12:28 PDT |
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Salve Pariri Iusti
To make mola salsa, I take about three parts of spelt flour to one of sea
salt, and grind them together in a mortarium. I grind only ad dexteram, and
try to think sacred thoughts while I'm doing it. So far the gods and numina
have not complained. Hope this helps. If anyone actually has a primary
source for a recipe, I too would be grateful (and not a little surprised -
for any Roman to write down a mola salsa recipe would, I think, be rather
like one of us being asked for a recipe for toast).
Bene vale,
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: hmmmm |
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"M G" <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Fri, 5 May 2000 19:51:54 +0300 |
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----- Original Message -----
From: S--------dan/ Hibernicus <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=034056178009193132062218046036129208" >legioix@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: giovedì, 04 maggio, 2000 17.10
Subject: [novaroma] Re: hmmmm
> >> the destiny of Indians in America (50 millions
> >> brutaly murdered humans)
> Anthropologists are in full disagreement as to the actual numbers of
> aboriginals in North America (the entire Americas for that matter)
> and
> some estimate the population at any given time in NA as 5-6 million.
>
> Newer facts in regard to nomadic and subsistence cultures leads to a
> lower number. Elizabethan Ireland was once estimated to have a
> population of 2.5 million. It may actually have been closer to
> 250,000.
Marcus Prometheus:
This is the way to add valuable data to a disccussion !
Furthermore I agree with ALL yours considerations.
Scholars' EDUCATED GUESSES vary wildly,
but I have never heard speaking of 50 millions Amerindians,
Especially referring to humans killed by humans,
instead of humans killed by diseases.
The humans killed by disease might have been at least 10 time
the figure of those killed in battles or murdered.
To advance such a figure for those murdered
WITHOUT even quoting a source, which we could then discuss
and compare with other estimates, what means ?
Is not insulting ? Is not diffusing hate mail ?
Of course even after insisting to know the source,
this authoritative source STILL remains a "mystery of the faith".
A person which feels personally insulted in his Eastern-ship
at every step - and does'nt realize he can be insulting for the
hundreds of americans which are on this list is certainly driven by
a very strong internal Agenda .
Instead of answering on the matter of facts raised or quoting
reasonably other facts and sources.
AT LAST HE GIVES US A REVELATION:
he is out of his temper
because of the NATO debate in his country,
(meaning that IF a majority of Slovakians will like so,
perhaps they will be admitted once to have a NATO umbrella).
Ahhh ! And for this he felt so insulted by a list of dates of
anti pagan+jews+heretics edicts from Acadianus Draco !
And for this he had to diffuse unsubstantiated hate mail !
It has been an exact confirmation of a theme I raised of an
UN - roman agenda.
such faith is It's officially being ANTI NATO.
One Mystery solved.
My opinion (just one opinion) is that Nato is the
also the modern vexillifer of some values
inherited by Romanitas, but that is just my opinion
and this list is not made for Nato policy,
BUT, PLEASE, NOT AT ALL FOR
ANTI NATO or ANTI WESTERN BIAS !
AND EVEN MUCH LESS FOR CENSORING
A LIST OF ANTI PAGAN PERSECUTIONS.
only because ( in absolute GOOD FAITH)
covers only a period of time when imperial edicts
were issued by BYZANTIUM ?
WHY NOT TO TRY TO COMPLETE IT ?
Perhaps because somebody who
a few days ago demonstrated he did not
even know of an independent Vandal kingdom
in Africa as distinct from Byzantine power,
can contribute very little ?
In this case why does not at least leave those interested
to relevant historical contribution to do the job ?
Hibernicus:
>
> I'm not saying that the number "50million" is incorrect. What I am
> saying is that the experts disagree on the numbers. It is true that
> European disease killed many humans in NA and it is also true that
> many
> humans were already immune from pre-Columbo contact.
>
> And it is important to remember that the vast majority of humans
> living
> in North America were the second and/or third migration of peoples
> from
> Asia. Second wave emigrants waged war against each other and against
> previous populations as readily as European emigrants did against
> Aboriginal Americans.
>
> Humans have migrated from one area to another for 10's of thousands
> of
> years, often replaceing previous populations, either through disease,
> war or assimilation. The accusing finger points to everyone.
>
> Hibernicus
>
Again here it is a pleasure to read your relevant historical contribution
both data and opinions.
And it is not even necessary to agree 100 % (this is west),
to appreciate the whole and to have a lot to learn.
I especially appreciate the moderation of your last lines.
That is in that spirit that I asked that ALL anti humanitarian
crimes be condemned, and not only those of the west.
Unfortunately I did not succeed too much.
That is also the reason why I prefer to talk to those who are ready
to teach and listen, perhaps even learn.
As for the 50 millions murdered, I do have to insist,
at least UNTIL some details of the calculations leading to it,
such figure, among all group of serious scholars,
might be considered absolutely baseless.
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This remembers me one report about the
number of witches burned: here Christians have been
accused of burning millions. It is considered a wild
exaggeration by modern research historians.
The best approximation looks to be 60.000.
If somebody is interested please ask.
I have the text file or I can find some URL.
Marcus Prometheus.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Culture of Tolerance |
| From: |
"M G" <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 6 May 2000 02:59:25 +0300 |
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----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio Grilo <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Antonie Grylle Graece SALVE
The beginnings of tolerance are a fascinating history
and, I really hope, one that might be NON divisive.
Previously I wrote:
> ><<Western history of some religious tolerance begins just with the
> >wars of religion when we were not able to kill ALL the adverse field.
> >So only at the end of the thirty year war ,
> >Catholics learned that they were unable to kill all Protestants.
> >And vice versa.
> >Just this incapacity (after a lot of trying) was
> >the beginning of change.
> >Not very glorious beginning, but so.
> >Some glorious free thinking followed later,
> >but the incapacity to kill all adversaries triggered it.>>
I read the following two comment, the second yours Grille:
> >I do not agree. There have always been in history noble and tolerant
> >persons.
> In this I agree with you, Alexander.
>
Both comments are correct and reasonable,
I applaud both and I fully agree that
"There have always been in history
noble and tolerant persons" .
Still also all what I wrote stands and in my
modest opinion is both true and even a bit
more relevant I F we are speaking not of
PERSONS, but of state systems of law,
and of common feelings of entire nations
generalized on continental scale.
This is at least the interpretation of some
historians of Liberalism and I think it is
very convincing and sound.
I found it as commonly accepted also
on other modern historians not dealing
centrally with the subiect, and conversely
I have no memory of ever reading a single
line against this Interpretation.
If the matter is interesting I can research the
name of the authors which convinced me
with a study centered on the subject.
As I am not the sole detainer of truth,
I'll be grateful to anybody willing to
contribute to this beautiful theme of the
BEGINNING AND HISTORY OF THE
CULTURE OF RELIGIOUS TOLERANCE
mentioning actual laws of tolerance
for different religions
or some other form of recognizing different
religions or also just writings of simple thinkers,
or philisophers (not rulers) showing a current of
opinion for tolerance before the european
wars of religion.
As for the tolerance of some ruler
personally of good and noble character, this is also
interesting and relevant as FORERUNNER
to the culture of tolerance, and so please
feel free to mention that too.
Vale
Marcus Prometheus.
> >Marcus Prometheus:
> ><<Also please avoid the paranoia of feeling attacked by
> >simple post listing simple facts.
> >Do you want more facts ? OK>>
> >
> >So, that mine is paranoia but when some publish what all of you are
> >accustomed to hear is a "presenting a facts only". Strange sence of
> >fairness.
> Facts can be presented freely on either side.
>
> ETC. - I'm tired to discuss the rest.
>
> Valete
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>
>
>
> >It really angered me but not becaused of the reason Prometheus thought.
> >Simply his construction is created to excuse the modern anti-Russian
> >dreams for historical revanche of Moldavian and Polish nationalists. I
> >know how the nationalists in some eastern countries beat Russian,
> >Ukrainian or other post Soviet republics tourists or simply workers who
> >work there and excuse that with the same rethoric as Prometheus. They
> >simply missed or do not like to see the simple fact that communists were
> >who were doing masacres not Russians generalized as communists. Actually
> >there were millions of Russians murdered by the regime. That is the
> >reasons I blame Prometheus for nationalism.
> Alexander, here you have the right to blame Prometheus.
>
> >Marcus Prometheus:
> ><<So there is no good example to be made of "East" at all
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: I ask.., UnRoman Myths, East-West bullshit |
| From: |
"M G" <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 6 May 2000 04:30:02 +0300 |
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----- Original Message -----
From: Antonio Grilo <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
> Salve Alexander Probus
> In fact I don't know Prometheus, and never talked to him. I know you and
> have you as a friend. Nevertheless, I cannot agree with many of your
> statements and I think you are overreacting. Prometheus was polite in the
> majority of his statements, and I think that he only started to get "hot"
as
> the debate got more tough. Maybe the same applies for you.
Vale Antonie Grylle Graece.
Thank you very much for your intervention.
If you permit to me, I also underwrite your reasonable, modest
and humanitarian position about crimes and shames of the past.
I fully endorse that crimes must be considered such everywhere,
not only West or East. North or South.
Then and only then we can put them in some historical perspective,
and perhaps compare some of them,
(but when not necessary, even better not here).
Thanks also for calling so much the God's Sake, which
from a pious person like you is a serious thing.
Of course I also endorse all the reasons you gave for your comments.
So almost nothing of what I wrote was insulting. Good for me.
But, for freedom of expression's sake
on this list (more than for me personally),
I believe, that is important this: Normal
LISTS of FACTS cannot be considered insults !
Of course, unless accompanied by generalizations
too broad, too absolute, or simply baseless.
And Unless such facts or figures are invented or
wildly exaggerated and distorted just for propaganda.
I am referring to : "50 millions Amerindians brutally murdered"
a ludicrous communist era soviet propaganda lie
which strangely did not get any reaction
from the really insulted people here, the Americans, which also
constitute the mjority on the list.
> >Marcus Prometheus:
> ><<So there is no good example to be made of "East" at all.>>
Gryllus:
> > Well, I don't know the context, but yes, this statement seems to be
> insulting to the East.
Dear Gryllus, after thanking you for your reasoning and helping others
to reason, I really feel sorry to have to ask you a further effort.
Could you please try to reconsider my strongly felt opinion that
the statement regarding Eastern empires religious tolerance
(evidently compared to "west" or western empires)
" so there is no good example to be made of the East at all"
is not an outright insult to anybody, even if can be discussed
as much anybody wants, preferably bringing serious new data.
Yes it was and it is a PROVOCATION to answer with data,
It was an answer to unprovoked and un demonstrated generalizations :
like QUOTE:
1-The Eastern Empire was who saved the achievements of ancient culture
2 -There have never exist on the East so massive and total persecutions
3 - I am proud to be from the East and with our history too.
4 - We on the East are accustomed to live in a religiously and ethnically
non
homogeneous space, while that one is from historically view point (200
or
300 years is not history) new experience for westerners.
5 - Please, do not use that forum for propagating any
stereotypical myths about evil easterners.
6 - In such a case there is plenty of historical facts which I would present
for opposing you.
My position is that:
1) East saved something, and destroyed something else in the persecutions of
pagans, jews, heretics quoted by Acadianus Draco.
West did the very same. The Vulcan Vesuvius covering Pompei made possible
present recovery
Western monks brotherhoods made a big lot. Eastern more individual monks
made a lot. etc etc.
2) All persecutions which fully WIPE OUT a belief or a sect or a cult look
to me massive and total.
In a previous post I gave a list of Christian sects wiped out violently
from East
(and west, add the Pagans, add the iconoclasts disasters).
3) I am a proud European, not NOT proud of crimes East and West ,
and I asked for the same statement, receiving only the justification that
first victims of communism have been the Russians. (it's true, but it's too
little)
4) Is a generalization too large and supported just by 2 words.
Somebody obsessed with being insulted gets insulted for much smaller hints
5) The prince of stereotypes accused Acadianus Draco who just made a list
of Edicts and facts
without making any conclusion or generalization unfavorable to the East
opposed to a supposed west
just of the kind which
6) Facts ?????? Where ?????????
IN THIS CONTEST after quoting my data I concluded that
without relevant data sustaining my opponent's position :
" so there is no good example to be made of the "East" at all.
I still believe it UNTIL I AM TEACHED some new data.
I am ready to learn, I know my sources, perhaps somebody
knows more, ( I never lost a bet since when I learned to I bet
strictly only on what I positively know and I don't bet about
what somebody else proposing a bet can know more).
OK so I am ready to confront myself with new reality
new data, others opinions, free discussions.
I am not ready to bow to anti western propaganda
of the lowest level, that made for the absolutely unlearned.
( I mean that If people learns much more perhaps could find some
real ammunition, but not the banalities we were served recently )
I am not ready to bow to other people's obsessions
of being insulted at every step, be them true obsessions or
simulated paranoia just to silence those who
have other opinion (or who until now, at least, know more).
And I am not ready to let anybody to speak alone
of the EAST and of his communist history
because he pretends to belong to the area and I don't.
I give two reasons:
A) In a free speech regime everybody is allowed to have
his own opinion on matters relevant to his life
and communism unfortunately had relevance to the life
of everybody in the west too: think by instance to like the level
of taxes paid for Defense or for refugees support etc etc.
B) But my opponent trying to silence me at every occasion
is 200 % wrong because he happens to speak to an Italian
who, was and is enormously linked to the EAST,
and with all due modesty, even with
the fight against communist eastern dictatorship, in the form
of helping for years the political refugees from the East,
in many ways legally in Italy and Switzerland and even
acting illegally in the said illegal regimes between 1967 and 1989.
Yes, I did something for libertys sake, not for money, risked serious jail,
My story has been on newspapers, an historian will publish about this etc.
But I don't like to insist on this argument as it would look that I just
want to join the exclusive club of the privileged allowed to discuss.
My point is absolutely different: everybody might have a right of free
speech without being obsessed
by others peoples obsessions and tentative of censures, very much in the
style of Stalinian
witch hunts. ( Ok I was proposed for a Stalinian Purge from NovaRoma !
Ah Ah Ah after the real stalinists I faced when younger, this is just a
joke so I'll not cry. )
Personally I am not against any Russian or Slavic people, and on this list I
have not any agenda against any pact be it Nato or .... Russian
Byelorussian pact.
And in this post and in others I always condemned all crimes against
humanity, or biological racism
as I condemn equally Hitlerist and RED dictatures etc.
Sufferings are the same indifferently of the color.
Somebody else, in my modest opinion has been perhaps less clear
on condemning evil from every geographical provenience.
I don't want to insult, my wording is just very low key,
I just hope to read the same assurances.
Perhaps would be nice also assurances that the anti NATO bias
(while being a democratically legitimate issue in Slovakia, for somebody)
will not be an excuse for further attacks to post stating facts
which albeit negative happened just there, in the EAST.
I wish there will be no more TABOOS and some freespeach will be restored.
My kind opponent here helped me and, I thank him, as he used recently
the phrase
a term that once I used just referring to invasions of nomads coming from
the steppes and ending historically only with Tatars.
So if it is politically correct for him to say EAST saved culture from
"barbaric hordes" ,
perhaps in the future I will not be obliged to invent some strange formula
like:
western roman empire did not save any trace of culture not even dealing with
civilized turist groups of Huns, Vandals and the like.
: - ) ))
So It will be a pleasure for me to survive my kind and democrati opponent's
request of expulsion and even not to be called again racist and nazi for
using the term barbaric.
These intentions to CENSORIZE, give a bad name to the whole Europe,
which luckily looks to be growing democratic free and ONE around the
western core which accepting the previous opponents so demonstrated
it was not against "the East" but just against the brutal communist evil
empire.
Old "opponent states" once freed, realized they had nothing to oppose
and are queuing to join. Welcome to all ! ....
....... and goodbye to those who prefer to stay out, nobody will force them
in
Nato has still some chances of survival even without ..... Slovakia.
But let me come back where I began:
Intentions to CENSORIZE, give a bad name to the whole Europe,
East and West:: one American friend just wrote to you that the
USA are the macronation whose cult for liberty allows the
NovaRoma virtual micronation to exist.
I fully agree and thank and hail such respect of freedom,
but I would like to assure that the same freedom
exists now ALSO in Europe.
This European freedom exists thanks to 85 years of american efforts too,
but exists, and is currently extending happily and democratically
by free consent ALSO to the East of the continent.
This is a fact, but I'll add an opinion (a wish too):
West of Byelorussia "good ole time" commies nostalgias
are already in the (in)famous "dustbin of history"
(a term of Marxist-speak which I find proper for some Marxist obsession)
Let us leave them there forever.
Marcus Prometheus
Vale Antonie Grylle Graece et Valete omnes
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| Subject: |
Incommunicado Inexpectatus |
| From: |
Megas-Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Fri, 05 May 2000 21:27:14 -0500 |
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Avete Omnes, Venator scripsit:
Amici, Nova Romani, Populi!
I have been incommunicado the past several weeks. I feel a formal greeting from me is in order as I
return to the New City.
I have been away tending to some family responsibilities which were time consuming and fatiguing,
but in toto neither grave nor threatening in the long term.
I hope to renew my ability to be of service.
Benedicte - Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Post Scriptum: Congratulations to our new Magistrates and felicitations to our new Cives.
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| Subject: |
Fw: [ROMANISROMANORVM] Campaign Game Basics - RPG |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Fri, 5 May 2000 21:35:28 -0700 |
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Salvete Omnes
Here is the post I just received from the Roman RPG list that you can
subscribe on Egroups. I hope you all enjoy.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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From: "Cra--------34; <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=113176234122193209172218186036129208" >E--------rn@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:RomanisRomanorvm@--------" >RomanisRomanorvm@--------</a>
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 11:35 PM
Subject: [ROMANISROMANORVM] Campaign Game Basics
> RomanisRomanorvm
>
> There are two sides to the rules, tactical & strategic
>
> The strategic campaign rules .
>
> The player represents a Roman Gens or Family. You will have to
balance
> a tray of political and financial concerns along with your military
> duties. As a Noble Roman, you get your appointments through the political
> pull, and you can use money to bribe your opponents, allies and the
> occasional plebian assembly.
>
> The Campaign starts in the 684th year after the "Founding of the
> City". (Rome was founded in 753BC) Previous history: Carthage is
defeated;
> Macedonia is defeated; Nearer Spain is Roman; Nearer Gaul is Roman; The
> "Social Wars" ended a few years ago, and the First Mithraditic war just
> ended! The horrible Roman Civil Wars between Sulla and Marius are
> over. Marius died a couple of years ago, and word of Sulla's death has
> just reached Rome as the Senate is starting to assign commanders to this
> years' legions.
>
> Which provinces will have legions has been decided by the Senate, before
> you are interviewed by your patron. Your patron will try and help you get
> the post you find most to your liking, but what will you do for him? As a
> legion commander, you may be in position to make additional money or gain
> clients or favors to be traded at a later date. If you are successful you
> will also find that you gain popularity among the people at home.
>
> Province personal income possibility
> Cisalpine Gaul ***
> Nearer Spain **
> Further Spain **
> Africa ***
> Sardinia-Corsica *
> Sicily **
> Asia ****
>
> How do you find out who your patron is? If you want you may choose a
> historical family or clan, but the game will not be set completely
> historically, so you will not start with the power and wealth of the
> historical group. You get to use the name, but not the reputation or
> resources fo an ancient gens. Or you may choose a number from 1-20! I
> will tell each player about his Family or Gens. As a player, you are the
> father of your Gens, as well as the commander of a legion, so you will be
> playing your own patron! As you become successful in finances and
> popularity, you will gain clients. You can also find a higher patron or
> ally in the Senate, if the Gods are kind. You may also create or join a
> faction, to promote your military and political ends. Remember, all wars
> are economic! If Rome Falls or runs out of money, you have lost!
>
> ROMA Treasury, after all of the ruinous wars of the past few years has
only
> 100 talents in the temple of Jupiter Maximus. This money will be used to
> pay the legions, buy bread for the people of Rome, and for
> diplomacy. There are currently 5 veteran legions. The senate is raising
2
> legions this year. There are two military fleets, which can carry two
> legions.
>
> There is a cost of 10 Talents to pay the current legions.
> There is a cost of 6 talents to maintain the fleets.
> The two new legions will cost 20 talents to raise.
>
>
> Each Strategic turn lasts one year and will be based on the system in
> Republic of Rome, by Avalon Hill. You are encouraged to buy a copy if you
> don't already have one!
>
>
>
> Gens player
> Appuleius (Michael aka Tacticus)
> Servilius (Michael Akinde )
> Appius (Radar aka Correus)
> Cornelius (alexious aka Sulla)
> ????? <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=132212044112194233114149109101130130239146031196234130152150" >DrususCornelius@--------</--------;
> Metellus (Caius Mettellus)
> Calpurnius (Calpurnopiso)
>
> any other players are welcome, and more may be added.
>
> I will run the Fabius family, but only as the front for stuff I feel has
to
> be done as moderator.
>
> Caius Fabius will be the current consul of Rome, and will host the first
> meeting of the forum. I will ask for motions and proposals and votes on
> this news group, but you may chat among yourselves, and I will contact
each
> player privately from time to time. Any deals that you make in public,
> (on the news group) must be honored to the best of your ability or you
will
> lose "face". What you do in private is private, but if there are special
> things you want to accomplish, you may email me privately as well.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: |
Question |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Fri, 5 May 2000 22:32:50 -0700 |
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On the website. Could we add something for all of the NR associated e-mail lists?
Considering that there are quite a few of them, for example" NovaRomaVizantia
Britannia
CaliforniaProvincia
Latinitas
ReligioRomana
Gens Lusoria
Gens Cornelia
The Philosophy list (I cant recall the name)
This with a brief descritpion of each list might help foster additional communication between the citizens. :)
Just a thought
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Esperanto, Latin, and a Conlanger Unmasked. |
| From: |
"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 06 May 2000 12:27:04 YEKST |
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Salve Ursula Numeria Fortunata!
I'm glad to found out that there indeed _are_ conlangers in NR, I mean not
only me! I like to conlang too and have no big admiration about IALs either.
Mostly I try to create something like Western-Romance artlang called La
lingua Romula. Nova Lingua pro Nova Roma!;-) An example, though unasked:
Ser o non ser - la es la question,
- an es plus nobile suffrer al mente
las flechas aeras d'un fato dur o
armar se a un mar d'affligeres,
que - opponente se - on va finir.
(To be or not to be, etc., The Hamlet monologue from the Tragedy of Hamlet)
As a matter of fact, there are at least one more "Unmasked Conlanger" ;-)
among NRomans - Paul LeCorde, don't remember his Latin name now as he's
rather a rare berd in this list. He is interlingua-ist, Kreol-ist and also
an inventer of one more Latin/Romance based IAL called IIRC Romanese.
Perhaps Apollonius is another one?
BTW that is Latinitas list about?
Thanks for answering my message!
>From: "M. Sherryan--------So--------uist" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=189075253209082116015223190036129" >tuozin@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Esperanto, Latin, and a Conlanger Unmasked.
>Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:21:01 -0400
>
>Salvete...
>
>"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" wrote:
> >
> > Salve Apolloni,
> >
> > Vi parlas Esperanton? ;-)
>
>Of course, you didn't ask me, but...
>mi parolas esperanton... malbone. :)
>But my Esperanto is better than my Latin, unfortunately.
>
> >
> > Perhas some more conlangs? Ido, interlingua?
> >
>
>I am a conlanger, through and through... don't do IALs though...
>except for the aforementioned Esperanto, and that has nothing to
>do with the IAL philosophy.
>
>Ack! Have I just come out of the closet on the Nova Roma list?
>Will we have to amend our constitution to say that Nova Roma will
>not discriminate against people based on their habit of inventing
>languages for no practical purpose? Will a debate and flame war
>erupt around this issue? Stay tuned!
>
>I did join the Latinitas list, though I haven't joined in the
>conversation yet. I have a fairly serious interest in reviving
>conversational Latin, but I am finding that my capacity to juggle
>multiple languages is not as great when I am spread so thin in
>the rest of my life. Kids and all.
>
>Ursula Numeria Fortunata
>--
>
>Mia Soderquist
>
AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS
CIVIS ET BARBARVS NOVAE ROMAE
PROPRAETOR SARMATIAE PROVINCIAE
LIBERTAS INAESTIMABILIS RES EST
VALETE IN PACE
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| Subject: |
Back from our honeymoon! |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Sat, 6 May 2000 07:35:52 EDT |
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Salvete,
Patricia Cassia and I have just returned from our honeymoon in England. We
had a truly wonderful time, as we got to spend days and days poking around
Roman sites AND were fortunate enough to be able to meet Vado and Alethea for
an afternoon! :)
It seems there are about 200 serious Emails waiting for me, even after
filtering out spam. I'll start slogging through it all but it may take me a
few days, especially since there's plenty to do now that we're back that
doesn't involve sitting at the computer.
If anyone needs to get in touch with me about Senate issues, Collegium
Pontificum issues, Nova Roma flags or ancient artifacts, please don't assume
I've had a chance to read anything you may have sent. Sending me a fresh
email with a title in all caps will ensure a quick response ahead of replies
to older stuff.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
ATTN: NEWS |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 6 May 2000 12:35:39 +0100 |
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Salve Cassi
I'm glad you came back. There were problems. The Meakers have resigned
everything just after you left, and they have posted to the main list,
accusing the Collegium and you specially of "lack of faith" because of the
advice you had given concerning their adoptive son of "hiding the Religio".
Now good news:
- Helena Equitia officiated at the Floral Games with a prayer I provided to
her. It seems it was a success.
-We have a lot of applications to approve, including Flamines. Vado has
applied to Flamen Floralis, I think.
- The Mithras list has been active after I posted about a new papyrus with
what seems to be a real mithraic initiation rite. It's called the Mithraic
Cathechism and it will be available online very soon.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Mola Salsa (was re: A Few Roman Recipes) |
| From: |
Marcus Pap--------s Justus <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197166104009127132130232203026129208071" >pap--------s@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 06 May 2000 07:04:39 -0600 |
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Salve Nicolave,
Do you actually make it into a little 'cake'?
mpj
At 06:12 PM 5/5/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Salve Pariri Iusti
>
>To make mola salsa, I take about three parts of spelt flour to one of sea
>salt, and grind them together in a mortarium. I grind only ad dexteram, and
>try to think sacred thoughts while I'm doing it. So far the gods and numina
>have not complained. Hope this helps. If anyone actually has a primary
>source for a recipe, I too would be grateful (and not a little surprised -
>for any Roman to write down a mola salsa recipe would, I think, be rather
>like one of us being asked for a recipe for toast).
>
>Bene vale,
>
>Vado.
>
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ATTN: NEWS |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 6 May 2000 12:38:05 +0100 |
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Hoops, this was to be private =)
Graecus
-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Grilo <amg>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a> <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Date: Saturday, May 06, 2000 12:44 PM
Subject: [novaroma] ATTN: NEWS
>Salve Cassi
>
>I'm glad you came back. There were problems. The Meakers have resigned
>everything just after you left, and they have posted to the main list,
>accusing the Collegium and you specially of "lack of faith" because of the
>advice you had given concerning their adoptive son of "hiding the Religio".
>
>Now good news:
>- Helena Equitia officiated at the Floral Games with a prayer I provided to
>her. It seems it was a success.
>-We have a lot of applications to approve, including Flamines. Vado has
>applied to Flamen Floralis, I think.
>- The Mithras list has been active after I posted about a new papyrus with
>what seems to be a real mithraic initiation rite. It's called the Mithraic
>Cathechism and it will be available online very soon.
>
>Vale
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: hmmmm |
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| Date: |
Sat, 6 May 2000 16:38:02 EDT |
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Marcus Prometheus writes:
<< As for the 50 millions murdered, I do have to insist,
at least UNTIL some details of the calculations leading to it,
such figure, among all group of serious scholars,
might be considered absolutely baseless.>>
It also depends if we are talking about North America alone, or including
Central and South America. Burger (1990) states that the population of
Central and South America fell from 30 to 5 million in just 50 years. He
also states that the population of North America dropped to 1 million by
1890, but gives no original figure, perhaps because that figure is in
dispute.
Also, disease has been mentioned, yet the spread of disease was not merely
the passive byproduct of Colonial expansion. There is at least one
documented instance of blankets deliberately infected with smallpox being
distributed to Native Americans. In addition, the switch from nomadic to
settled life increased the spread of disease as tribes lost territory.
(Imagine nomads having to suddenly deal with sanitary waste management in a
settlement.) Settled conditions also promoted the spreading of contagious
disease much quicker to larger amounts of people than when people traveled in
small groups. My assertions here are based on the work of physical
anthropologist Clark Spencer Larsen and other anthropologists who have
studied the changes in pre- and post-contact Native American skeletal remains.
Disease continues to be a problem today, particularly in the case of mining.
Two examples are mercury from gold mining contaminating water supplies in the
Amazon, and the Laguna Pueblo near Albuquerque shutting down their uranium
mine a few years back when birth defects were attributed to it.
Iustinia Cassia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Incommunicado Inexpectatus |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Sat, 06 May 2000 14:04:37 -0700 |
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Megas-Robinson wrote:
>
I am happy to hear that the family matter were not of the heavy and
bummer type, O Venator. It is always a pelasure to see your words.
Well come Piperbarbus.
Vale
Ericius.
> Avete Omnes, Venator scripsit:
>
> Amici, Nova Romani, Populi!
>
> I have been incommunicado the past several weeks. I feel a formal
> greeting from me is in order as I
> return to the New City.
>
> I have been away tending to some family responsibilities which were
> time consuming and fatiguing,
> but in toto neither grave nor threatening in the long term.
>
> I hope to renew my ability to be of service.
>
> Benedicte - Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
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