| Subject: |
Re: Legio |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 8 May 2000 20:04:04 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salvete, NR Citizens;
I ask your indulgence for my brief lapse of
earlier. I have had a hard weekend (Grin).
Mr. Jay Waschak writes:
><a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029143113112185125169067203085129208071" >mwaschak@--------</a> (M J Waschak)<
"Hello, I have been trying to get ahold of Legio XIV Geina Martia
Victrix in Canton, Ohio but their web page is gone. Do you have any way
of contacting them?"
If any of you out there can help this gentleman, I ask that you consider
doing so, If you do please info me, that I know that he has had a
reply. Sorry for the earlier gaffe, my apologies.
Valete, Respectfully
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
|
| Subject: |
Re: Legio |
| From: |
"Luciu--------riu--------mbria" <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 09 May 2000 00:36:35 -0000 |
|
Salve, Consul, et salvete omnes!
> Mr. Jay Waschak writes:
>
> >mwaschak@-------- (M J Waschak)<
>
> "Hello, I have been trying to get ahold of Legio XIV Geina Martia
> Victrix in Canton, Ohio but their web page is gone. Do you have
> any way of contacting them?"
Here's what I've got on my worldwide listing of Roman Living-History
Groups; the Web page is gone, but maybe the rest still works:
---
Legio XIV Gemina Martia Victrix (est'd. 1997)
Period Covered: AD 98 - 117
Region: Northeastern Ohio
POC: Thomas Aquino (Quintus Trebellius)
Address: 819 39th Street NW/Canton, OH 44709-2535
Phone: (330) 492-6354
E-mail: <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=248075020185175162090218000036129208" >Quintu--------..</a>
URL: <a href="http://pages.sssnet.com/Qawnuq/legioxivgemina.htm" target="_top" >http://pages.sssnet.com/Qawnuq/legioxivgemina.htm</a>
Comments: Rapidly-growing SCA spinoff does lecture/demos,
armor workshops and SCA combat.
---
I am in the process of updating this listing for the first time in
over a year (I used to hit it 2-3x/year...I've got time again now).
When it is complete, would the Nova Roman Meisters of Web be
interested in either posting a copy or linking to it from the NR site?
Yours under the Eagles,
-- L Marius Fimbria (at work, away from his .sig) >({|:-)
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Legio |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 8 May 2000 20:45:35 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salve, L. Marius Fimbria;
I thank you for your most prompt reply. In answer to your question, I
would certainly be interested in such a link, however, the final
decision should be left to the Webmaster. I can promise you my positive
urging on the item and my endorsement.
Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
|
| Subject: |
Isis Preistess |
| From: |
"Shelly Mohnkern" <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=061015192078018028015154190036129" >shelly@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 8 May 2000 21:01:29 -0400 |
|
>Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:22:35 EDT
>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
>Subject: Isis Priestess?
>I'm curious....what is the status of the lady who applied to be Priestess
of
>Isis?
>I can't remember her name since I deleted my Compuserve filing cabinet.
>Gaius Festus
Greeting Gaius Festus, and thanks for the inquiry!
I am currently waiting to be admitted to the Religio Romana. I applied for
membership about two/three weeks ago, and got word back that my application
was recieved, but have heard nothing more at this point.
I have recieved some lovely mail from a couple of folks, and I thank you
all. I appologize for not being more quickly respondent, but I am currently
getting this list in digest form, only. I shall try to be as quick as
possible in my replies to you all, I promise.
At any rate, any who wish to correspond with me personally, may do so at
either of the following e-mail addresses:
<a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=061015192078018028015154190036129" >shelly@--------</a>
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=070130020078013134028056066248062208071048" >evil-twin@--------</a>
I am also on AIM as "Gemina Mala".
I look forward to hearing from more of you!
In Her honor,
Rosa Lusoria Gemina Mala
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| Subject: |
Re: I ask.., |
| From: |
hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 09 May 2000 11:48:42 +0200 |
|
Salvete Merulle et alii,
<<I have been silent because I have not wanted to contribute to yet
another flame war. I also am tired of people leaving us over
differences that show themselves in the course of these flame wars.>>
So am I. No one leaving is a benefit for Nova Roma.
<<For what it's worth, I recognize that there has been a very impolite
overreaction to your message.>>
Yes it was and noone replied to that. No one even post that there have
been raised numeral off topic threads. So, from my view point it seems
that is allowed to post such a things when it is accompanied with a
rethoric and slogans sounding familiar to perdominant number of you.
<<But I ask you to recognize that it is not
sufficient cause to seek anyone's expulsion.>>
Of course it is and I do not want that exactly. I would be absolutly
satisfied with any announcement about off topic threads or polite
behaviour on the forum.
Vale
Alexander I.C. Probus
Let's drop our daggers and get on with life.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Re: I ask.., |
| From: |
hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 09 May 2000 11:57:52 +0200 |
|
Salve Iadams,
<<You miss the point. Of course your personal quarrel with Prometheus is
not irrelevant to you -- it is clearly a matter of some passion to
you.>>
That is your opinion.
I think a man able to say "his" countries' neighbours are "barbarians"
and szstematicly to damn one nation and to glorify another is not only
my personal business.
<<Please don't try to use this forum or the government of Nova Roma as a
means of carrying on a personal quarrel with another citizen.>>
Why you post that to me but not to that one who started that issue.
Vale
Alexander I.C Probus
|
| Subject: |
ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem VII Idus Mai (May 9th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 9 May 2000 11:58:08 +0100 |
|
Salvete
This is one of the dies nefasti (N), a day on which no legal action or
public business can take place.
Today is the first day of the Lemuria in honour of the Lemures. The Lemures
are the ghosts of wicked people or of those who did not receive the proper
rites after death. These are not received by the Gods of the Underworld and
as such are condemned to roam and to haunt the living. Today they come to
take from the living what his theirs by right.
The Lemuria are held on 3 consecutive odd numbered days: 9, 11 and 13 May.
It's rites are performed at home by the paterfamilias (family father). At
night, the paterfamilias gets up from bed and walks barefoot through the
house, making the "mano fico" gesture. He washes his hands with water
brought from a spring. He takes some black beans. He throws nine beans over
his shoulder without looking back, while saying for each bean: "Through
these beans I expiate myself and my family". He then performs a new ablution
washing the hands. He then asks the ghosts to go away by saying nine times:
"Manes of our ancestors, leave!". After this he looks back and the Lemures
are surely gone, for the rites were correctly accomplished and the dead have
taken what is their right.
Some say that those black beans are offered in place of real human lives,
offered by our ancestors in remote times. In fact, some Greek theologoi such
as the Pytagorean and the Orphic say that beans are charged with life.
The Vestals are preparing the mola salsa since May 7th and this will
continue until May 14th.
I remind you that Maius is the month of the old and the dead. Maia, the
Lares and the Manes and their mother (Mater Larum) are specially honoured.
Pax Deorum vobiscum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
Re: I ask |
| From: |
hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 09 May 2000 13:58:53 +0200 |
|
Salve Prometheus,
I wonder how you are still able to continue that issue on the list. I
agree you are excellent master of rethoric, I agree your post sounds
better on the Forum than mine, I agree there are some trues you have
pointed out. I can not agree with the manner you treat me - unpolitly
and far away cultivated. You tactics is simple but effective - you
simply deny totaly what your oponent says (no facts, mix insults with
polite phrases but it is still malicious). OK my English is not good, is
worse than yours. What you exactly want from me? Tell that openly
please. You want to see me leaving - I will do that and you will have a
free field for your dreams. Or not? Maybe you simply need an enemy -
tell that openly please. Or you need to specify what topics we disagree
with? So, try to specify and let us to talk about in a polite and
cultivated manner or you will prefere to continue in your malicious
attacks. You have never posted me anything privatly - you prefere to
dehonestate me publicly - that is your choice.
Vale
Alexander I.C. Probus
|
| Subject: |
Announcement |
| From: |
hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 09 May 2000 14:18:00 +0200 |
|
Salvete omness,
I would like to let you know that I have requested our Censors to remove
me from the Citizen list and to deny my citizenship. I wish to all of
you to feel comfortably here discussing your common values. Be calm
there would be no thread from me further - I am leaving that list too.
Congratulations to the winners - the wrong side is completly defeated
and there is no more danger for Roman Virtues from not educated and
wrong minded barbarians.
I would like to thank to that one of you who have emailed me privatly
with the request to explain my possition.
I would like to thank very much to my Materfamilias Augustina Iulia
Caesaria Nocturnia for her kind cares and words.
Vale
Alexander Hadjiivanov
former Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonicus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Announcement |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 9 May 2000 13:36:34 +0100 |
|
Salve Alexander
>Congratulations to the winners - the wrong side is completly defeated
>and there is no more danger for Roman Virtues from not educated and
>wrong minded barbarians.
Each time a person leaves, there are no winners. Only loosers. Do not forget
that.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Priestess of Isis? |
| From: |
"M G" <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 9 May 2000 00:35:54 +0300 |
|
----- Original Message -----
From: Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a>
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Sent: lunedě, 08 maggio, 2000 21.19
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Priestess of Isis?
> Her name is Rosa Lusoria Gemina Mala. She posted her availability to
> the NovaRoma List last Thursday;
>
> Just call me Archive...!
> ***********************************************************
> Lucius Marius Fimbria / Legio VI Victrix |>[SPQR]<|
Dear Archive,
this remembers me of the quickwit which was
the slogan under which reformists helped China out of
the brutal nightmare of Maoism:
"It is not important whether the cat is black or white,
but if he catches rats".
Vale et Valete
Marcus Prometheus
|
| Subject: |
Re: Announcement |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 9 May 2000 13:20:57 EDT |
|
In a message dated 5/9/00 5:32:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> writes:
<< I would like to let you know that I have requested our Censors to remove
me from the Citizen list and to deny my citizenship. >>
Alexander Probus has indeed unsubscribed from the Nova Roma list, and is
gone. Can anyone fill me in on what happened here? The arguments cited must
have happened while I was away...
Has anyone besides myself noticed that this has happened a few times now with
folks that have joined NR from Eastern Europe? I rather think it is quite an
honor to hear from folks from such areas, and it's proof that Nova Roma has a
chance to really be something worldwide. It will be a real shame if we can't
figure out how to deal with language/cultural barriers. To me, anyway, it
seems like the minute that someone from Eastern Europe makes a statement they
immediately offend three or four people, and end up getting hounded off the
list and out of NR itself.
This "phenomenon" has got to be preventable. Maybe some folks from
non-English speaking countries are just too touchy and easily offended...
maybe we're just not tolerant enough with people that can't choose their
words carefully because they don't speak the language well. Can anyone think
of ways that such arguments could be "broken up" before they cause
irreparable damage?
Vale,
Marcus Cassius
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 840 |
| From: |
"LegionXXIV" <a h--------"/post/nova--------?p--------ctID=034056178009193116001195151189114012071048139" >legionXXIV@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 9 May 2000 13:15:15 -0400 |
|
Gallio Velius Marsallas of Legion XXIV here.
Commilito Quintus aka Thomas Aquino is
apparently no longer in service to Rome.
I had a different URL for him; but is is not
active. The e-mail address is dead too.
I purchased a nice Gallic-J from him last year
when he was having some financial problems.
I too offer my Legion Links Page for consideration
by Nova Roma or others.
<a href="http://www.legionxxiv.org/legionlinks/" target="_top" >http://www.legionxxiv.org/legionlinks/</a>
Valete
Gallio / George
|
| Subject: |
Fwd: Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 840 |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 9 May 2000 14:52:33 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salvete, Praetor / Webmaster (acting);
I strongly recommend that we add the offered Legio XXIV links so
generously offered to NR's link list. If you do not have that
capability, I ask that you make note to the Webmaster through Censor
Sulla of that offer and of the Consul's strong suggestion. Please info
me regarding your decision and actions on this item.
Valete, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Announcement |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 09 May 2000 11:49:05 -0700 |
|
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=219166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >c--------us622@--------</--------; wrote:
> In a message dated 5/9/00 5:32:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a> writes:
>
> << I would like to let you know that I have requested our Censors to remove
> me from the Citizen list and to deny my citizenship. >>
>
> Alexander Probus has indeed unsubscribed from the Nova Roma list, and is
> gone. Can anyone fill me in on what happened here? The arguments cited must
> have happened while I was away...
>
Sulla: It was something about East vs. West. He felt he was insulted. He, a
number of times, called for the expulsion of Prometheus. Graecus went point by
point with Probus telling him...that he was overreacting. Which Graecus wasnt
the only one to tell him he was. I even privately told him that I thought he
was. Thats about it.
>
> Has anyone besides myself noticed that this has happened a few times now with
> folks that have joined NR from Eastern Europe? I rather think it is quite an
> honor to hear from folks from such areas, and it's proof that Nova Roma has a
> chance to really be something worldwide. It will be a real shame if we can't
> figure out how to deal with language/cultural barriers. To me, anyway, it
> seems like the minute that someone from Eastern Europe makes a statement they
> immediately offend three or four people, and end up getting hounded off the
> list and out of NR itself.
>
I like the fact that we are truly become a world-wide organization. Just
remember this...Probus was the only one from the "East" that took a dislike to
the posts. Everyone tried to help Probus in dealing with them for what they
are.....just post. :)
>
> This "phenomenon" has got to be preventable. Maybe some folks from
> non-English speaking countries are just too touchy and easily offended...
> maybe we're just not tolerant enough with people that can't choose their
> words carefully because they don't speak the language well. Can anyone think
> of ways that such arguments could be "broken up" before they cause
> irreparable damage?
>
Sulla: I understand....but the problem is we have to balance everything. And
Probus was the only one offended. We have to draw the line somewhere...but we
have to be very careful. :) Well thats about it for this post....hehehe.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
>
> Vale,
>
> Marcus Cassius
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets
> you see and manage all of your finances all in one place.
> <a href="http://click.egroups.com/1/3012/6/_/61050/_/957893056/" target="_top" >http://click.egroups.com/1/3012/6/_/61050/_/957893056/</a>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| Subject: |
Re: Announcement |
| From: |
|
| Date: |
Tue, 09 May 2000 19:35:29 -0000 |
|
This prompts me to reiterate the suggestion from whoever it was that
we have a definite waiting period between when someone resigns and
when that resignation goes into effect. If someof us were to clear
things up with Probus, it would now be demanded that he go through
the
whole applicaiton thing agian, which would be demeaning.
We need some buffer zone here.
To those of us who might have said "good riddence" with this bail out
or that one, I still say, we could use a buffer zone. Nothing would
be lost. And we might retain some valuable citizens.
On the East West thing:
Remember that this East West thing has involved 50 years of recent
history with each of us being ready to destroy the world in its
entirity because of "The Other". This is not some thing that is only
in books. It is real. It was not resolved in '88 and after.
C. Aelius Ericius.
[once again guilty of not having spoken to someone before they left]
--- In <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>, cassius622@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/9/00 5:32:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> hadji@-------- writes:
>
> << I would like to let you know that I have requested our Censors
to
remove
> me from the Citizen list and to deny my citizenship. >>
>
> Alexander Probus has indeed unsubscribed from the Nova Roma list,
and is
> gone. Can anyone fill me in on what happened here? The arguments
cited must
> have happened while I was away...
>
> Has anyone besides myself noticed that this has happened a few
times
now with
> folks that have joined NR from Eastern Europe? I rather think it is
quite an
> honor to hear from folks from such areas, and it's proof that Nova
Roma has a
> chance to really be something worldwide. It will be a real shame if
we can't
> figure out how to deal with language/cultural barriers. To me,
anyway, it
> seems like the minute that someone from Eastern Europe makes a
statement they
> immediately offend three or four people, and end up getting
hounded
off the
> list and out of NR itself.
>
> This "phenomenon" has got to be preventable. Maybe some folks from
> non-English speaking countries are just too touchy and easily
offended...
> maybe we're just not tolerant enough with people that can't choose
their
> words carefully because they don't speak the language well. Can
anyone think
> of ways that such arguments could be "broken up" before they cause
> irreparable damage?
>
> Vale,
>
> Marcus Cassius
|
| Subject: |
Re: Announcement |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 9 May 2000 15:55:38 -0400 |
|
Salvete Omnes
In agreement with my colleague, I am processing citizenship applications
through the end of June. It means that I'll have the unfortunate
responsibility of removing those cives who resign (may there be no more who
do so!) during that time.
My policy is going to be to wait nine days from the time that the civis
resigns before I actually touch the person's data in the censorial alba. It
is my hope that people will thus have sufficient time to think their
requested resignation over, and be comfortable with their decision.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
Censor Suffectus
>This prompts me to reiterate the suggestion from whoever it was that
>we have a definite waiting period between when someone resigns and
>when that resignation goes into effect. If someof us were to clear
>things up with Probus, it would now be demanded that he go through
>the
>whole applicaiton thing agian, which would be demeaning.
|
| Subject: |
New Censor |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 9 May 2000 16:10:47 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salvete, Citizens and Censor Merrullus;
In the hurly- burly of the last few days, I have been terribly remiss in
not congratulting my colleague in his victory at the polls. I am most
pleased to offer my most sincere congratulatons to Gaius Marius
Merrullus NR's newest Censor. I welcome you to the seat of Senior Line
Magistates and do so with a hearty feeling of appreciation for your
skills and of my hopes for the future of Nova Roma.
We have begun again to balance the needed positions of government to
attain not only our day by day needs but also those future needs of this
micronation. These tasks have for too long been placed upon the
shoulders of one man whos has labored mightily for NR. Now the task is
shared and I look forward to a continued improvement in our government
service.
Welcome aboard Censor Merrullus!!!!!
Valete, Most Sincerely;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Consul et Senator
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Announcement |
| From: |
"M G" <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=230212192112185190015225190036129" >--------co@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Wed, 10 May 2000 01:37:04 +0300 |
|
----- Original Message -----
From: hadji <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=180166080058082135130082190036" >hadji@--------</a>
Subject: [novaroma] Announcement
> Salvete omness,
>
> I would like to let you know that I have requested our Censors to remove
> me from the Citizen list and to deny my citizenship.
Nobody DENIES you anything !
And you are nobody's victim.
Nobody tried EVER to silence you,
and even now nobody , including me ,
does not ask your expulsion or you to be denied any right,
and much less that of free speech.
I only claim the same right might apply to others too.
If you feel somehow isolated it is not because of my posts
attacking you, but because of the fact that you feel always
under vicious nazi attack whenever you read either something
which you don't like (as in my posts) or either
SOMETHING YOU DON'T EVEN REALIZE is not attacking
either you or your positions.
Your master work has been to feel under attack from the most
innocent person ever posting on this list, (no, not me, of course
I mean the exaggeratedly kind Acadianus).
Your big ego is not served well enough from the usual 3 or four
roman names so you call yourself Iulius Caesar Alexander Macedonicus,
and what names! All the 5 imperial names.
So, please come down from your imaginary column and
stay in the forum to discuss freely on an equal feet
with people with NO LESS rights than yours.
You will hear a lot of things you will like AND
a lot which you will not like. Can you face them ?
Please please, please, I beg you now,
don't feel insulted for the thousandth time,
but see it only a moment from my side :
it just looks to me, that (until now) you couldn't
get rid of a need of silencing the adversary and getting
an unanimity like it was an habit in the "Politburo"
of the years before 1989.
But there are no more all-powerful politburos in Europe!
Your opinions must coexist and compete with others
How can you believe that only playing the victim
will avoid facing difference ?
First you try cowing supposed adversaries
demand, or impose "explanations"
then ask for silencing and better expulsions,
then you are rebuked by perhaps 20 persons,
then you say that in this case you will be nastier
with everybody because you supposed I
was allowed to be nasty with you.
(I was allowed nothing, just freespeech
until me too do not abuse it)
Then you make a final résumé of your
point of view almost complaining I did not
insist in arguing with you.
You ask: (QUOTE):
"What you exactly want from me? Tell that openly
please. You want to see me leaving ? "
Then, exactly TWENTY minutes later you post
the above resignation in terms of a victim
writing of DENIAL of your Citizenship.
So, what do you want to resign or answers ?
In this message I don't answer yet to your questions
because I don't want to go further.
Just to your solemn "ANNOUNCEMENT"
On this, my very personal conclusion is clear
I was always against exclusions or reduction of
rights ( including in the recent story of sexual orientations).
So I sided then with Marius Fimbria and Dexippus
without giving any importance to the ( true ) fact that
in one other occasion they have been among those
who followed some of your malicious interpretation
of my positions.
You recently wrote you regretted they were gone
(as I do regret, ) but your - declared- reason was ........
... because they could have helped you to tame me !
As you could have learned by my siding with
two former discussion's adversaries, I can be friend
with everybody, on basis of peaceful discussion
and even I can manage to coexist with people
having different opinions, origin, political appurtenance
and sexual orientation.
What disturbs me with you is not that you are not a
pagan or that you are in your "countries" against
Nato.
It doesn't disturb either your "Eastern" interest,
your East point of view.
On the contrary, it can help to enrich the discussion
BUT ONLY IF YOU DON'T DESTROY the discussion.
The presence of Christians (and of VERY appreciated
ones) helps all of us both to enrich our knowledge
etc. etc., but helps us also to keep accustomed
with the respect of the different, to avoid the fall of elegance,
like a mixed ambiance (male & female) helps avoid
the most vulgar aspects of only male groups
like military barracks etc.
But what is wrong is when you assume that your myth
VIZANTIUM , (part slavic part latine word for Byzantium)
MUST be so sacred for everybody on a forum
called novaroma, not nova Constantinople.
So much that you permit yourself to intervene heavily
and without any respect for others ON A THEME
ABSOLUTELY CENTRAL TO THE PAGANS
Try to understand, please, you are correct, we all agree
Byzantium too is part of roman history , Christian Constantinople,
but is not so central as the first ROME, the republican one,
the pagan one, which that you like it or not is in Italy.
In any case does not allow you at all to ask any special privilege of
super extended "respect" for the east, and much less to feel absurdly
insulted
whenever you read the word east in phrased different from glory to the east.
IF YOU HAVE ACTUAL CORRECTIONS, PLEASE CONTRIBUTE.
If you read by instance Constantine the great and the saint ate kids,
and your sources do not confirm it, and you even read once that Constantine
was vegetarian,
please, contribute, but don't feel insulted. Presume good faith. Study,
please. Research, please.
and contribute humbly, not exaggerating. If you read once on some state
pamphlet that 50 millions
Amerindians died of illness brought by the white man don't write 50
millions murdered by Americans.
Also DO NOT write it TO PROTEST in a discussion about antipagan edicts.
Open a different tread, calmly. Name it: Good & Evil- East &West.
The interested ones will follow you.
If majority object s move the discussion elsewhere with a last well thought
advertisement on NR announcing a new list .
CENTRAL;
Constantinople's Edicts are certainly central to this Mail List for almost
everybody, both Pagan majority and Christians curious and strong enough to
face reality. Even the Pope BEGAN to face the reality of past persecutions
and apologized a bit, (yes, more to the heretics and Jews than to Pagans) .
NOT SO CENTRAL;
In my very very modest personal opinion, "worshipping" Constantinople, the
second Rome, the Christian one to the point of making it the central myth
of somebody' s presence on this list
is not so desirable. Just my opinion, no offence please as I admit that
if introduced kindly and respectfully al lot of less central topics can be
accepted from friends on the list
ABSOLUTELY OBJECTIONABLE
at least from my very modest person:
--1-- persecuting critical discussion of really central themes ,
up to the point that a relaxed discussion on facts becomes difficult
--2-- Screaming Wolf everytime you don't agree
( insult, insult insult insulted, persecution, nazi, racist etc.)
--3--- posing as the sole expert and the sole person legitimate to speak
of Eastern themes.
--4-- Assuming everybody MUST have a great opinion of the East
(which East? all ? and of everytime ?) or of eastern religion
or ideology INSTEAD of contributing modestly with valuable
informations
for all of us who until now do not know enough reasons to bow to
the East.
(principle of good faith. I am ready to learn. I trust others too.)
--5-- Assuming a chauvinistic (or worst nazi & racist) absolutist position
whenever a statement you don't like resembles slightly a very very
modest
generalization without reading the LIMITATIONS already given since
the beginning
--6-- To quote the above omitting the limitations of said statements.
---7--- Same as --5-- when not accepting a correction.
( i.e. further limitation of an original statement).
--8--- Demanding Expulsions, hunting for anti eastern witches
--9--- Assuming that others must excuse your intolerance because, as you
declare, you are nervous
of "your countries" ( I presume Bulgaria and Slovakia, and
apologies if I am wrong)
are freely discussing adhering to NATO. This negative myth (or
ghost) haunting you does not excuses anything (again at least in my most
modest opinion). Sorry, my mind carries me no further.
For me such opinion (which "in your countries" is considered by
democrats a wreck of old
servility to Moscow) looks the most foreign to Roman ideals AND to
friendship with other
people on the list, which are almost all from Nato countries or at least
from countries
sharing a lot of "western values" of freedom, or friend of the "west".
-- 10-- Very personally I also resent your claimed dislike of
Romanians ( & Moldavians) , the EAST EUROPEAN LATINS.
--11-- And last but not least posing as a victim when your persecution of
free discussion does not work.
Dear friend, not always the cry to the wolf helps.
The epithets of nazi and racist once helped
you exceptionally well and easyly,
but now it would help you more
a serious exam of your exaggerations.
I am absolutely nobody in NovaRoma, so if you
arrived to feel isolated it is only because of
yourself and of continuous shouting WOLF,
Insult, insult insult to the sacred East !
I did'nt isolated you, you did.
I want freespeech for all, YOU and me.
So, stay, but try to examine in good faith also other's people right to
freespeech.
A self exam will be most useful,
Try to live up to your name of Probus, and everybody will appreciate you.
Most modestly I will try to live up to the name of Prometheus
( so called ) Marcus Prometheus
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