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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Sulla's Condition
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 11 May 2000 20:01:44 -0400 (EDT)

Helena;

I ask that you pass to Sulla, my personal best wishes and confidence
that he will do well. It is my hope and in my prayers that he will
regain his strength and his condition will be mended and stronger than
ever before.

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Sulla's Condition
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 11 May 2000 21:13:00 EDT

I am delighted Sulla is still alive!

Festus


Subject:	Re: Announcement
From:
Date:	Thu, 11 May 2000 21:15:11 EDT

In --------ss--------d-------- 5/11/00 4:20:30 PM P--------ic D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=061044104089235135169082190036" >sfp55@--------</--------;
writes:

<< No, he has not. He only removed citizens after they requested it twice.
As consul I wrote many of these citizens requesting them to stay.
Their reasons for leaving were varied. And after they requested twice to be
removed, only then did he do so.
Be sure of your facts. This is one of the problems with the list. Think
before you post. The first part of your post was helpful, and no doubt the
Senate will take it under advisement. The second part was not helpful at
all. >>

Salvete,

It IS a fact that Sulla has so far removed from the Citizen's Rolls only
those who have specifially requested that this be done.

It is easy to see how this could be misunderstood however, since he has
repeatedly stated that he was going to remove folks for such reasons as not
providing a street address, not providing a phone number, not having a full
Roman name, not having an Email address, and not having at least *two*
methods of contact, (i.e. both physical address and phone #).

There has been some argument about at least some of these. What if someone
doesn't have a computer? What if someone can't decide on a Roman name
immediately? What if someone's family objects to our inclusion of Paganism
and they simply don't want to be called at home? What if someone is on the
internet all the time, and simply doesn't want to receive unsolicited mail?

I myself thought that Sulla had removed anything up to 75 or 80 Citizens from
the rolls because of the above. He said he was going to, after all. To date
however it does seem that he is waiting until some of the questions get
cleared up.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


Subject:	Roman Days Accomodations
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 11 May 2000 21:18:05 EDT

Salvete,

I was asked in an email if I knew of any hotels for people traveling to
Roman Days. I found these three in Bowie, Maryland.

Rips Country Inn---301-805-5901

Comfort Inn {my preference} ---301-464-2200

Hampton Inn --- 301-809-1800

Gaius Lupinius Festus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] So leave already. {Meakers}
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date:	Thu, 11 May 2000 21:19:55 EDT

Salve Consul Audens,

I see what you mean, and I agree about the list being open to
non-citizens and ex-citizens. I still think the Meakers should give their
spleens a break and leave. I quit Nova Roma myself, in either summer or fall
of 1998. Now no one was to blame for this. I left because I increasingly
felt my presence was also inappropriate. I was gone for about 18 months, and
during that whole time I visited the chat room two times, talking to Fimbria
a bit. I stayed off the mailing list completely.
I came back because of the Constitutional reforms. After reading the annals
concerning the resignation and return of Germanicus, I thought maybe the
situation has changed so that I could return. Fimbria supported the idea and
encouraged my re-application, which I did after printing out the annals and a
copy of the Constitution which I read the next day.

The point of all this is, I did not hang around and whine as the Meakers are
doing. Dex left and that was that. Probus is gone, and also is not hanging
around to gripe and whine. And no one else who has left has, to my
knowledge, has gotten paranoid about "threats" to his/her family! I have to
agree with Praetor Graecus that this woman needs professional help.

What is even more scary is the knowledge that Texas has just placed a 3 year
old in the custody of a person who may well be neurotic. When that happened,
it was no victory for religious freedom. I am afraid that this child is the
loser now. We can only hope she will not grow up to inherit her adoptive
mother's paranoia and delusions.

I wish I could have known her before her marriage, as you wish I had. My
first encounter with this person was through a post of hers that showed the
signs of a disturbed individual. I am sure it can be found in the March
archives. I saw a woman who imagines Juno talks to her directly, and who
believes herself to be her spokesperson to the rest of Nova Roma. Juno talks
to her, and she is the one chosen to pass her words on to the poor people she
looks down on and judges because in her mind, their faith is not up to her
standard. Then, frustrated because they cannot rule and force everyone to
conform to their own vision, they "leave" NR, only to hang around and
perpetually whine. This is a form of obsession. They remind me of the
atheists I encountered who proclaim themselves "free from religion", and then
spend their time and energy ridiculing, attacking, whining, against the
religion they are supposedly free from!

Anyway, in light of the above, I predict we have not heard the last of them.
They are obsessive types, and as such, they cannot just cut and leave. They
are compelled by their obsession to remain. They do not have the will or the
character to do the right thing and go, so I imagine we will have to deal
with the reality of the situation.

Gaius Lupinius Festus


Subject:	Re: Sulla's Condition
From:
Date:	Thu, 11 May 2000 18:47:05 -0700

Thank you, Helena. Please keep us apprised of his condition.
You know that you have us with you in this time.

May all the deities of the Nova Romans aid you both.

C. Aelius Ericius.


Subject:	Gone
From:	"Donald and Crystal Meaker" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029056113163056209105098072248155208071048" >meakerfam@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 02:47:36 -0000

--- In <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>, Lykaion1@c... wrote:

> What is even more scary is the knowledge that Texas has just placed
a 3 year
> old in the custody of a person who may well be neurotic. When that
happened,
> it was no victory for religious freedom. I am afraid that this
child is the
> loser now. We can only hope she will not grow up to inherit her
adoptive
> mother's paranoia and delusions.
>

We will be leaving this email list as soon as this email appears in
the archives.

For those who agree with Festus, please call CPS here in Texas
(Houston area -- I'm sure Sulla or QFM will be more than happy to
provide my exact address) to have my daughter removed from this
horrible, horrible home Festus and Gracus describe. After all, these
two know me better than anyone else in Nova Roma ever did.

Crystal Meaker


Subject:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Any_other_cives_nov=E6_romani_from_Argentina_=3F?=
From:	"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <a hre--------post/novaroma?protectID=114166234009056153112037203168129208071" >danielov@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 03:57:49 -0000

Avete omnes.
Today I made acquaintance of another civis from my own city, and I'm
very glad for this. At least we are two cives nov=E6 romani living
in
Buenos Aires . I wonder if there are more cives from my country ?. If
so, please reply this message. Vobis gratias ago.
Curate ut valeatis et bonam fortunam.

L. Pompeius Octavianus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Threats against my Family
From:
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 01:21:53 EDT

You go Crystal!! You have my support and Dex's too I am sure. I still
speak to him regularly and he doesn't regret leaving and I hope you don't
either although for what its worth SOME Nova Romans will miss people like you
and Dex because what you brought to this "organization" was special. Not all
Nova Romans have lost their way, only most of them have. If I offend people
with these statements, so be it, but I am entitled to my opinion and I have
never had a problem expressing said opinion.

Why doesn't everyone just mind their own business and stop acting like
a bunch of SHADY, GOSSIPING QUEENS and do what's right for Nova Roma not for
your egos.

Marius Lucianus Silvanus
Paterfamilias
Gens Luciania


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: The communication problem
From:	Caius Flavius Diocletianus <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=158059101122035091033" >3s@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 09:05:40 +0200

Ave, Merullo.

Please don´t misunderstand me. Of course there was no real socialism in the time
of Diocletian. The brackets around the word "socialist" are right. To control
Prices, and with this the economy of a state, is an idea with some "socialistic"
appearance. The same thing is the founding of manufactures, called fabricae,
driven by the state, to provide the army with its equipment. They were under
control of the Magister Officiorum, as mentioned in the Notita Dignitatum. Theis
was in my opinion a soirt of Statte Economy, comparable with the Economy in
socialistic countries.

The ruling system of Diocletian was called the "Dominate", an absolute
"Monarchy" by the Tetrarchs. There was no power left to the senate, and all
republican Remainings in the System called Principat were eliminated. This
system is comparable with dictatorhips of modern times, such as Hitler or
Stalin.

I agree to you if you say that there was no stock exchange in ancient rome. The
business companies were driven on a personal base. But there were banks, as
Crassus was described as a bankier. He also provided a private fire brigade in
Rome. There was import and export trading, provided by hte men called Equites.In
imperial times the equites changed in many ways into state officials, but in
republican times they business was a capitalist one. Over the whole roman
history, men aquired huge amounts of money by trading, producing and by a kind
of agricultural industry.

I agree to, that the roman economy was driven by an increased amount of slave
labour. But, is modern economy not driven by an increasing amount of machine
labour? Isn´t it the same thing? But it´s capitalism.

So I think that it is right to by a bridge from ancient to modern times.

Vale
Caius Flavius Diocletianus

RMerullo schrieb:

> Salvete C Flavi et alii
>
> Just a quick note to point out that you have well illustrated another
> communication problem: frame of reference, or lack of a common one.
>
> You pointed out, quite accurately in my view, that modern societies are so
> different from ancient ones that broad comparisons between the two are of
> limited utility. But you went on to describe the reforms of Diocletian as
> "socialist". That's not a bad description, as far as I'm concerned, but was
> there any socialism in the world of Diocletian's time, or, is socialism,
> like communism, an industrial-dependent construct?
>
> I am not even sure that capitalism existed in any period of Roman history,
> in fact, I tend to think that there was only a sort of primitive monetarism,
> driven by increased volume of slave labor, that became less liberal over
> time. Did anyone own stock in corporations that could be traded on a public
> exchange? I don't think so (if I'm wrong, I look forward to learning about
> a facet of Roman history of which I am now ignorant).
>
> Anyway, our languages, circumstances and life experience vary pretty widely
> here. In addition, NONE of us has a native language, circumstances or life
> experience that would lend themselves to a more or less full understanding
> of any aspect of any period of Roman culture. I believe that most of us are
> people who are on different points of a continuum of study of some or other
> aspects and periods. In light of this, we should be flexible in trying to
> understand each other's questions and answers. Otherwise, there isn't much
> point in participating in the forum -- and there is never any point, of
> course, in posting a lengthy message in the forum about why there is no
> point in posting messages in the forum :). But then, we already knew
> that.....
>
> So "study, study and study again".
>
> Valete
>
> C Marius Merullus
> -
> >For my opinion it´s not okay to compare ancient societies with modern ones.
> >To compare the roman society with the eastern europe communism is the same
> as
> >to compare apples with cherries.The ideological background of communism
> dates
> >
> >I think that the roman culture and society has most in common with the
> >amerian capitalism up to the late roman empire. Under Diocletian, the
> >politics changed the society to a more socialist one. His Edict about the
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Subject:	Salve Censor
From:	"Doug Barr" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114015211254158209218218186036129208" >dhkbarr@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 00:19:05 -0700

"Salve" revero, Censor!

Vale bene, et Novam Romam mox reveni.

C. Albivs Gadelicvs


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Congratulations :)
From:	"Doug Barr" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=114015211254158209218218186036129208" >dhkbarr@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 00:21:05 -0700

Salve Drusus Cornelius Claudius!

I congratulate you on your title "History Scholar of the Year."

Bene vale,
C. Albivs Gadelicvs


Subject:	Probus' sources about the conquest of America
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 09:18:25 -0000

Salvete omnes,

some days ago there were a little (heeheehee;-)) discussion here
regarding particularly the conquest of America(s), indians killed,
etc. Alexander Probus was asked to cite his sources about the
quantaty of victims he was talking about, but can do this only now.
As he's not a member of the community any more, he do this by way of
me:

--- In <a href="mailto:NovaromaVizantia@--------" >NovaromaVizantia@--------</a>, hadji hadji@u... wrote:

The Conquest of North America, Aldus Books Ltd, London 1971,
by Nicholas Horden - 1st Part "God, Gold and Glory" describing the
conquest of the whole Latine America
Simon Dresner - 2nd Part: The Rivers of Destiny (English, French,
Holland Conquests
Martin Hillman - 3rd Part: Brigding the Continent (pay special
attention
to chapter 10 to 12)
I have read ten years ago the Slovak translation, publisher Mlade leta
Bratislava 1989, ISBN 80-06-00117-0
The book has 507 pages with colour illustrations.

Alexander
------------------------------------------
Bonus mactus,

AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS
Civis et barbarvs Novae Romae
Propraetor Sarmatiae Provinciae

Libertas inaestimabilis res est

Vale(te) in pace


Subject:	Who is the second Censor of NR?
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 15:52:39 YEKST

Salvete omnes,

Excuse me, but who is the second Censor of NR at the moment? Is the place
still vacant? I just mentioned 2 minor errors in the Album Gentium, whom to
address?

AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS
Civis et barbarvs Novae Romae
Propraetor Sarmatiae Provinciae

Libertas inaestimabilis res est

Vale(te) in pace

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Subject:	Re: Who is the second Censor of NR?
From:
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 08:52:35 EDT

In a message dated 5/12/00 2:53:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=061166091213158134036102228219114187071048139" >sarmaticus@--------</a> writes:

<< Excuse me, but who is the second Censor of NR at the moment? Is the place
still vacant? I just mentioned 2 minor errors in the Album Gentium, whom to
address?
>>

Salve,

Our newly ele-------- Censor is Gaius Marius Merullus, (<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a>). Do
remember he's been in the position only a short time and is still learning
the duties! I'm sure when you write to him he'll be able to give you some
sort of idea of when he can make the changes to the Album Gentium.

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Days Accomodations
From:	"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 06:16:56 PDT

Salve Festus:

I'll have to remember to refer you to my travel agent :)!
Thanks for this info!
Pompeia Cornelia

>From: <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Roman Days Accomodations
>Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:18:05 EDT
>
>Salvete,
>
> I was asked in an email if I knew of any hotels for people traveling to
>Roman Days. I found these three in Bowie, Maryland.
>
>Rips Country Inn---301-805-5901
>
>Comfort Inn {my preference} ---301-464-2200
>
>Hampton Inn --- 301-809-1800
>
>Gaius Lupinius Festus
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Subject:	Re: By the way
From:	"Michael" <a href="/p--------n----------------pr--------tID=029166047003193091033082" >maf@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 23:56:03 +1000

Salve

Lucius Metullus wrote:



Thanks for the tip, Lucius Metullus!

I like falco too, although sometimes the 20th century type private eye style of writing gets on my nerves a bit. Still, I fancy the rather terse, cynical and often vulgar manner of Falco probably matches fairly closely with how a lower class person in Rome may well have thought and acted.

I personally prefer the Gordianus series by Steven Saylor, which has the twin advantages of being set in the Republic, and being based on real historical events (ie cases that Cicero defended.

Happy reading!

Salve

Marcus Afranius Regulus

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Subject:	Im passant
From:
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 09:48:57 EDT

Salvete!
As you all know this weekend sees the opening of "Battlefield Earth."
It is very important that you all go see "Gladiator" once again.
If the numbers drop off from "Gladiator" the bean counters will make a note
of it.
If the drop-off is severe then the odds of an another Sand & Sandal epic
being made will be poor. You might laugh but this is the way Hollywood works.
I'm off to the set, but if everybody reading this e-mail goes to "Gladiator"
it might secure the future of other epics. Just something to think about.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


Subject:	Re: Im passant
From:	"Sheridan/ Hibernicus" <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034056178009193132062218055036129208" >legioix@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 16:16:02 -0000

--- In <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>, sfp55@a... wrote:
> Salvete!
> As you all know this weekend sees the opening of "Battlefield
Earth."
> It is very important that you all go see "Gladiator" once again.
> If the numbers drop off from "Gladiator" the bean counters will
make a note
> of it.
> If the drop-off is severe then the odds of an another Sand & Sandal
epic
> being made will be poor. You might laugh but this is the way
Hollywood works.
> I'm off to the set, but if everybody reading this e-mail goes to
"Gladiator"
> it might secure the future of other epics. Just something to think
about.
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus

There's yet another Spartans "last stand" in the works, scheduled for
release next Summer. Heard it through the grape vine.

Hibernicus
Centurio
Legio IX Hispana
<a href="http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org" target="_top" >http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org</a>


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Im passant
From:
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 12:37:00 EDT

Avete,

Michael Mann reportedly will direct an adaptation of Steven Pressfield's
highly enjoyable novel about Thermopylae, Gates of Fire. George Cloony is
co-producing it, and will have an acting role in it as well. Word also has it
that Mann is possibly going to be invovled in a Roman epic as well, which
will star Tom Hanks.

Valete,

CVLTELLVS


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Im passant
From:
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 16:51:40 -0000

Mann could continue the last stand theme and do a movie about Varus
Stultus. A lot of material there. Eh?

Ericius.

--- In <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>, SerPhoenicius@a... wrote:
> Avete,
>
> Michael Mann reportedly will direct an adaptation of Steven
Pressfield's
> highly enjoyable novel about Thermopylae, Gates of Fire. George
Cloony is
> co-producing it, and will have an acting role in it as well. Word
also has it
> that Mann is possibly going to be invovled in a Roman epic as well,
which
> will star Tom Hanks.
>
> Valete,
>
> CVLTELLVS


Subject:	Introduction
From:	Marcus Traianus Valerius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166091098194233050061175001147090048144091189251099013193116131142076083" >marcustrajanvalerius@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 10:42:05 -0700 (PDT)

SALVE!

I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. I am
Marcus Traianus Valerius and am a new citizen of Rome.
I live in Wisconsin and work just north of Chicago.
I am a self proclaimed philosopher and love all things
from the ancient world.

I look forward to being an active member of Nova Roma.

=====
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Introduction
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 18:44:23 +0100

Salve philosophe

Welcome to Nova Roma.

Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex, Senator, Magistratus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Introduction
From:	"yquere" &-------- href="/post/novaroma?protectID=160000044056127198015181190036129" >yquere@--------&--------a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 20:13:15 +0200

Welcome

Ianus Querius Armoricus
New citizen too (2 months ago)
Gallia (France)

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From: Marcus Traianus Valerius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166091098194233050061175001147090048144091189251099013193116131142076083" >marcustrajanvalerius@--------</a>
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Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 7:42 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Introduction

> SALVE!
>
> I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. I am
> Marcus Traianus Valerius and am a new citizen of Rome.
> I live in Wisconsin and work just north of Chicago.
> I am a self proclaimed philosopher and love all things
> from the ancient world.
>
> I look forward to being an active member of Nova Roma.
>
>
>
> =====
> Multas felicitates! Marcus Traianus Valerius Citizen Of Nova
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Subject:	Re: Introduction
From:
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 18:20:33 -0000

Salve Marce!

Welcome to NR. I hope you find it as stimulating as I have. I
myself
am in a suburb of Chicago, and am pleased to see someone else close
to
myself in NR.

Vale, Marce, et pax Fortunaque tecum, [So long, Marcus, and peace &
good fortuna be with you]

Ursus Sitheus Ragnos


Subject:	"Gladiator" Movie (Was: Im passant)
From:
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 15:42:42 EDT

In --------ss--------d-------- 5/12/00 6:50:40 AM P--------ic D--------ght Time, <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=061044104089235135169082190036" >sfp55@--------</--------;
writes:

<< If the drop-off is severe then the odds of an another Sand & Sandal epic
being made will be poor. You might laugh but this is the way Hollywood
works.
I'm off to the set, but if everybody reading this e-mail goes to "Gladiator"
it might secure the future of other epics. Just something to think about. >>

Salve,

This is quite true, and more important than it may sound. "Gladiator" has a
good deal of pro-Roman content, and has the potential to be some of the best
advertising Nova Roma has seen in quite a while. It'll be a great pity if the
movie drops out of the box office the moment the first other action film hits
the screens.

I know Patricia Cassia and I are going to go see the movie again this
weekend. We're also recommending it to everyone. We'll also be buying the
video when it comes out.

It's worrying that several reviewers here in the US have described
"Gladiator" as being cheesy. Little do these folks know! While the dialogue
is about average for a film, the sets and costuming are pretty close to
impeccable. Hopefully the mix of competition from "Battlefield Earth" and a
few critics who are clueless about history won't be enough to make this the
last Roman oriented film for decades to come.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


Subject:	Salve
From:	"Pixie" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=197028131056056135172082190036" >pyxee@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 15:51:38 -0400

Salve,

Will the paterfamilias of gens in the SE US please contact me regarding
my citizenship and to teach me about their gens? I am interested in finding
a familia to sponsor me. I am a Latin literature and language student and
have a degree in Roman and Greek history. I am post interested in culture,
religion, re-enactment, language and Roman cooking.

Sincerely,
Pixie

**************************
Randi "Pixie" Bruner
#9603-040 Bete SA
"Women and cats will do as they please and men and dogs
should relax and get used to the idea." -Robert A. Heinlein
**************************


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Salve
From:	Mary Beth Clemon--------t;a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=029158235056038190172232203219129208071" >mclemon--------..</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 15:59:51 -0400

Well, now there's going to be a mad dash to claim this prospective cives!

Salve, Pixie.

I am both the Propraetor of the SE USA Provincia and the materfamilias of
the gens Iucundia. I'll be glad to adopt you or help you decide which gens
to join. You sound a great addition to Nova Roma! Off course, I am hungry
and I saw that you like cooking, so that's what caught my eye. (Just
kiddin'!) In all seriousness, welcome to Nova Roma and I am sure that
you'll be able to make a great citizen with your background.

In service to Rome,

Minervina Iucundia Flavia
Propraetor SE USA Provincia and Senator

-----Original Message-----
From: Pixie [mailto:<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=197028131056056135172082190036" >pyxee@--------</a>]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 3:52 PM
To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
Subject: [novaroma] Salve

Salve,

Will the paterfamilias of gens in the SE US please contact me regarding
my citizenship and to teach me about their gens? I am interested in finding
a familia to sponsor me. I am a Latin literature and language student and
have a degree in Roman and Greek history. I am post interested in culture,
religion, re-enactment, language and Roman cooking.

Sincerely,
Pixie

**************************
Randi "Pixie" Bruner
#9603-040 Bete SA
"Women and cats will do as they please and men and dogs
should relax and get used to the idea." -Robert A. Heinlein
**************************

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Salve
From:	"Pixie" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=197028131056056135172082190036" >pyxee@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 16:10:18 -0400

Salve Minervina Iucundia Flavia,

>I am both the Propraetor of the SE USA Provincia and the materfamilias of
>the gens Iucundia. I'll be glad to adopt you or help you decide which gens
>to join.

Please email me privately and tell me about gens Iucundia. My email is
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=197028131056056135172082190036" >pyxee@--------</a> I will fill out my applicatio--------ce I choose a ge----------------r> work on a name that has not been repeated in a gens or get my number
(Secunda, Quinta, ect). My husband would also be interested in bcecoming a
cives.

> You sound a great addition to Nova Roma! Off course, I am hungry
>and I saw that you like cooking, so that's what caught my eye

Never ask my family about my experiments in using asoefetida in recipes. I
will stick with filled foods ala Cena Trimalcionis and such to aviod ruining
appetites:) But yes, I do cook Roman recipes from Apicius cookbooks and
even make my own mead, beers and wine in traditional manner.

Sincerely,
Pixie

**************************
Randi "Pixie" Bruner
#9603-040 Bete SA
"Women and cats will do as they please and men and dogs
should relax and get used to the idea." -Robert A. Heinlein
**************************


Subject:	Re: "Gladiator" Movie (Was: Im passant)
From:	"Sheridan/ Hibernicus" <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034056178009193132062218055036129208" >legioix@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 20:34:06 -0000

the sets and costuming are pretty close to
> impeccable.
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus

The costuming for the principle actors and all the armor is horrible!

The cityscapes are pure Maxfield Parrish.

Hibernicus
Centurio
Legio IX Hispana
<a href="http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org" target="_top" >http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org</a>


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Im passant
From:	"Sheridan/ Hibernicus" <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034056178009193132062218055036129208" >legioix@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 20:36:01 -0000

--- In <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>, SerPhoenicius@a... wrote:
> Avete,
>
> Michael Mann reportedly will direct an adaptation of Steven
Pressfield's
> highly enjoyable novel about Thermopylae, Gates of Fire. George
Cloony is
> co-producing it, and will have an acting role in it as well. Word
also has it
> that Mann is possibly going to be invovled in a Roman epic as well,
which
> will star Tom Hanks.
>
> Valete,
>
> CVLTELLVS

Right ! That's it! Thanks!!

Hibernicus
Centurio
Legio IX Hispana
<a href="http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org" target="_top" >http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org</a>


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] So leave already. {Meakers}
From:	Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 17:10:42 -0400

Salvete,

I find the tone of Festus' posts on the matter of the Meakers offensive.
They left NR because of clear and explicit political differences with the=

current magistrates about the direction of NR and the role of the Religio=
,
albeit stated in (IMHO) excessive language. Don M's post which started th=
e
late spat was straight politics. The characterisation of their views as
evidence of "neurosis" is defamatory and appears to be actuated by malice=
,
i.e. Festus' views on the religio, so not protected by NY Times v Sulliva=
n.
I may agree that one should either leave and unsub or stay. But
that doesn't justify snide postings like Festus'.

Valete,

M. Musius Scaevola Magister


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: [ The Gender Edictum
From:	Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 17:35:00 -0400

Salvete omnes,

A rather belated post on this issue. Sulla in one of the later posts in t=
he
discussion wrote,

>My Edictum was established as precedent by the previous Censors, as I ha=
ve
>noted in my Edictum. And, until proof is offered otherwise, it stands.

It is a fundamental principle of roman law, for which (roman-based) civil=

lawyers have for approx 500 years criticised (anglo-saxon) common lawyers=
,
that =

JUDICANDUM EST LEGIBUS, NON EXEMPLIS

Judges must act according to statutes, not according to precedents

Sulla's Edict is an excellent example why this is so. Statutes have to be=

properly debated before they are brought into force. Precedents sneak in =
by
the back door and assert that because they are "already decided" there is=

no scope for (democratic, republican) debate.

I happen to this that Sulla's Edict on this point is complete crap as
legislation, but that's much less serious than the precedent/ legislation=

question.

Valete,

M. Mucius Scaevola Magister


Subject:	Re: "Gladiator" Movie (Was: Im passant)
From:
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 17:52:39 EDT

In a message dated 5/12/00 1:35:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034056178009193132062218055036129208" >legioix@--------</a> writes:

<< The costuming for the principle actors and all the armor is horrible!

LOL! Spoken like a true hard-core reenactor. I think the armor put out by
Museum Replicas looks pretty authentic too, which ought to give you a
perspective of where I'm coming from...

> The cityscapes are pure Maxfield Parrish.

Any suggestions on how they could be done more authentically? I personally am
all for rebuilding the ancient Roman city skyline to scale, using all
historically accurate materials, but it's amazing how few people support that
line of thinking. I suppose you were more impressed with "Sparticus" and
such?? ;)

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: "Gladiator" Movie (Was: Im passant)
From:
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 18:27:37 EDT

Avete,

I too had problems with the costuming, but I found the cityscapes
spectacular. There is apparently a much longer version of Gladiator which was
shown to test audiences, and reportedly will be the one released on DVD. This
may repair some of the--to my mind fatal--deficiencies in the story and
characterization.

By the way, Spartacus is one of my very favorite films of all time, and I am
newly impressed with it upon every viewing.

Salvete,

CVLTELLVS


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Salve
From:
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 18:41:45 EDT

In a message dated 5/12/2000 12:54:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=197028131056056135172082190036" >pyxee@--------</a> writes:

<< "Women and cats will do as they please and men and dogs
should relax and get used to the idea. >>
ROFL!!!


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: "Gladiator" Movie (Was: Im passant)
From:	<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 18:58:13 EDT

In a message dated 5/12/00 5:53:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=219166066112082162090021200165114253071048139" >c--------us622@--------</--------; writes:

<<
Any suggestions on how they could be done more authentically? I personally
am
all for rebuilding the ancient Roman city skyline to scale, using all
historically accurate materials, but it's amazing how few people support
that
line of thinking. I suppose you were more impressed with "Sparticus" and
such?? ;) >>

Cassius, I became interested in the Forum through a computer game called
SPQR, in which the player gets to go through a replica of the Forum. Since
playing the game and visiting all the buildings, I have been examining maps
and pictures of the Forum ruins, and have to say the game makers did an
excellent job.

It should not be at all difficult for film makers to replicate the city now,
with the computer technology to help avoid having to build costly sets. And
remember that the movie FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE and the miniseries A.D. both
had excellent replicas of the forum. Complete even with the conical altar in
front of the Temple of the Deified Julius!

Gaius Festus


Subject:	Vexilla
From:	"Chad M. Kieffer" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=219202020056021131184218141036129208" >--------ffe@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 18:03:10 -0500 (CDT)

Salvete!
Here's an idea, if we still have some extra Nova Roma vexilla
left. In the movie Gladiator, I saw a vexillum that looked almost exactly
like ours (except larger). You may have noticed that Gladiator
merchandise has been going for quite a lot of money on e-bay, etc. Why
not enter some of the vexilla in one of the auctions and advertise it as a
replica of one of the flags in the movie (with a picture of it of course)
and let them go at auction. We could put whatever profit we make into the
treasury. Just an idea. Cassius, what do you think? We could maybe try
auctioning one or two at first and see how much they sell for. This would
certainly be the time to do it, and we could clean out inventory. ;) I
bought two of the vexilla already and was pleased with them, but I would
love it if we could get some full-sized ones eventually, too.

Valete!
C Cordius Symmachus


Subject:	Sulla's Condition (Day 2)
From:	Helena <a href="/post/novaro--------rotectID=165158192237078153036181001245114223071048139" >oceanlilly@--------</a>
Date:	Fri, 12 May 2000 19:33:08 -0400 (EDT)

Salvete.

I am happy to report Sulla's improving condition and recovery!
He was moved out of the "Special Care Unit" today and placed
in a regular hospital room. His pain is lessening but he is
still very, very weak and tired. However, he was quite lucid
today and was able to converse. (He was able to speak on the
phone to his mother for a few minutes.)

Will post again tomorrow...

-Helena
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