| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] edicta and laws |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 13 May 2000 20:25:50 EDT |
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In a message dated 5/13/00 4:43:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a hr--------/post/novaroma?prot--------D=210166080237038233015038190036129" >iadams@--------</a> writ--------br>
<< It would be foolish to abolish either one -- why do you raise such an
obvious straw man? >>
Well, I thought you were advocating getting rid of law. That certainly
seemed to be the case when you described it as a failure and advbocated
finding some new thing to replace it.
I cannot remember who it was who said, "If all men were angels, law would not
be necessary". Alexander Hamilton perhaps?
Your educational idea would be interesting to observe, but it sounds too
utopian to me. A bit too Platonic.
<<By the time a child reaches school age in this country (USA), it's
virtually too late to make a responsible social human being out of him or
her. >>
Are the majority of children in the western nations indeed irresponsible and
anti-social?
Gaius Lupinius Festus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] edicta and laws |
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| Date: |
Sat, 13 May 2000 20:53:01 EDT |
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Have you looked around lately? There is a range of behaviors across the
population -- some children get more meaningful training than others.
Vast numbers get nothing or worse. The number who grow up antisocial or
dyssocial are quite enough to create chaos, as anyone who looks at the
real world can attest.
L. Sergius Aust.
On 5/13/00 7:25 PM <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> (<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>) wrote:
>Are the majority of children in the western nations indeed irresponsible and
>anti-social?
>
>Gaius Lupinius Festus
certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] edicta and laws |
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| Date: |
Sat, 13 May 2000 20:53:02 EDT |
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That's a peculiar statement -- what does it mean? Are you suggesting that
you reject anything that reminds you of Plato? What a peculiar way to
assess ideas!
The fact that you reply this way, Festus, suggests to me that you don't
give serious consideration to much of anything. Your previous behavior
regarding religion supports this hypothesis. How you live your life is
your own business, but I would suggest that it needs some re-thinking.
L. Sergius Aust.
On 5/13/00 7:25 PM <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> (<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a>) wrote:
>Your educational idea would be interesting to observe, but it sounds too
>utopian to me. A bit too Platonic.
certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] edicta and laws |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sat, 13 May 2000 23:32:30 EDT |
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In a message dated 5/13/00 8:53:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=226107192180229130130232031248147208071048" >LSergAust@--------</--------; writes:
<< Vast numbers get nothing or worse. The number who grow up antisocial or
dyssocial are quite enough to create chaos, as anyone who looks at the
real world can attest. >>
Oh, I live in the same world as you, and I know very well that our societies
have very real problems. I also know that "vast numbers" are not antisocial
or dysocial. Your initial posts read more like the doomsday book. I know we
have problems, but I do not believe we are at doomsday yet.
<<Are you suggesting that you reject anything that reminds you of Plato? What
a peculiar way to assess ideas!>>
No, I said nothing of the sort. I did say that your idea seems utopian, like
Plato's ideal republic. Now if your idea is not derived from Plato, you
could have just said so, and I would have dropped it. At any rate, we cannot
evaluate your ideas if you do not explain them better.
<<The fact that you reply this way, Festus, suggests to me that you don't
give serious consideration to much of anything. Your previous behavior
regarding religion supports this hypothesis.>>
My previous "behavior" regarding religion could not have been all that bad.
After all, you supported me!
<<How you live your life is your own business...>>
Well gee.....thank you! Thank you very much! :}
<<...but I would suggest that it needs some re-thinking.>>
And I would suggest that this topic is not about me, but is, {or at least
was} about your statements concerning law and education. Instead, you turn
on me. Maybe you need to do some re-thinking yourself? You're a good
Tribune. I like you. But please relax.
Gaius Lupinius Festus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Introduction |
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| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 04:08:11 EDT |
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In a message dated 05/13/2000 9:43:52 AM Central Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a> writes:
<< I am in Chicago (north side). I know of no meeting of cives that has
taken place in this area, but would certainly like to participate if
there was to be one.
A west suburban cemetery here has a mausoleum that looks somewhat like
a temple, with statues of Mercury and Minerva. (photographs at
<a href="http://www.graveyards.com/foresthome/gruspirits.html" target="_top" >http://www.graveyards.com/foresthome/gruspirits.html</a>). This would
be a good location for local citizens of Nova Roma to gather.
Vale, Octavius >>
Salvete,
I do think this would be a very interesting thing to try and attempt. If
we could not pull together all fo the great lakes, perhaps the Chicagoland
area. I do not know how any one else feels, but I would surely set aside the
time to attend a gathering. Lets not forget too, that the Bristol Renaisance
Fair is comming up in Wisconsin, and could also be a place to gather. Just a
thought.
Vale(te),
Ursus Ragnos
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| Subject: |
test |
| From: |
"John Prichard" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045154104003194091033082" >jpp@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 01:30:48 -0700 |
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Salvete all,
Just a test to make sure my messages are getting through.
Valete,
Sec. Troicus Ductor
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| Subject: |
it was not lost, but i finally found it |
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| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 04:39:13 EDT |
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greetings to all, thought you might like to see this
<a href="http://www.phxart.org/verso.html=20" target="_top" >http://www.phxart.org/verso.html=20</a>
<A HREF=3D"<a href="http://www.phxart.org/verso.html">Phoenix" target="_top" >http://www.phxart.org/verso.html">Phoenix</a> Art Museum - Jean-L=E9o=
n G=E9:=20
Pollice Verso</A>=20
this is the painting that inspired the Gladiator movie.
Marcus Silvius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] edicta and laws |
| From: |
"John Prichard" <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045154104003194091033082" >jpp@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 02:10:37 -0700 |
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> Have you looked around lately? There is a range of behaviors across the
> population -- some children get more meaningful training than others.
> Vast numbers get nothing or worse. The number who grow up antisocial or
> dyssocial are quite enough to create chaos, as anyone who looks at the
> real world can attest.
>
> L. Sergius Aust.
"Back in *my* day, sonny. . ."
People do fall through the "cracks" of society, and life is not fair.
The best training one can get for the "real world" is to be trained
utilizers of their freedom.
This freedom means kids get to work hard, go to school, and climb the
ladders of society or embrace the snakes of supposedly dyssocial behavior.
Rule of law works because it protects the freedom of people to do what
they want while still holding them responsible for their actions.
If we want both freedom and personal accountability, we have to let
people fail sometimes. This doesn't mean that we let them fall on hard
times or suffer. That's where we agree to put in social safety nets to
provide a sort of societal minimum for the cives. Digression.
Indoctrinate all kids with state-sponsored "values" or lift the rule of
law? Which would you have people accept, a lack of liberty or a lack of
responsibility?
-Secundus Troicus Ductor
Lanista
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| Subject: |
Re: Manu Fica |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 05:26:02 PDT |
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Salvete quiriti: quaerit L. Sergius Australicus:
>Thank you for another fascinating post. Can you describe for us the "mano
>fico" gesture?
And somebody replied (whom I seem to have deleted) to the effect that until
only recently it was mostly regarded as an ancient disused gesture.
Well, I was introduced to it when I was about 7 or 8, and went to junior
school in Lancashire.(Britannia, in the Briganes' territory). In those
pre-pubescent days, we called it 'poking tongues' and it was used as a
gesture of dismissal and contempt. Even so, the parallel as an apotropaic
sign is interesting, don't you think?
Bene valete,
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Roman Mushy Peas & Another Great RomanoBritish Invention |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 05:49:53 PDT |
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Salvete iterum...
Being by nurture and ancestry a Northern Brit., I have (to Alethea's
bewilderment) a love of mushy peas. Some of you poor souls don't even know
what I'm talking about, I'm sure. Anyway, I overproduced in the culina the
other day, and...
Faced with a half pound of soaked marrowfat dried peas in water slowly
turning into something fermenting but which not even I would make an
alcoholic beverage out of, I bethought me of an as yet untried Roman recipe
- 'Vitellian Peas': the recipe was daunting and if it hadn't been for the
ready-soaked marrowfats turning into a cerevisia of which nightmares are
made, I would never have bothered, but Aletheia and I are glad I did. We
have to share it with you:
(Serves 4)
8 ounces marrowfat dried peas
3/4 of an inch fresh root ginger
2 teaspoons finely chopped fresh lovage (or use celery leaves)
1/2 a teaspoon ground black pepper
3 egg yolks, soft-boiled
3 tablespoons clear honey
2 tablespoons garum
2/3 of a cup white wine
1/3 of a cup white wine vinegar
1 tablespoon olive oil
Soak the peas overnight in cold water (or in my case, leave to ferment for
best part of a week). Boil & simmer 1 - 2 hours until tender, adding extra
boiling water if necessary. Drain and beat until smooth.
Whilepeas are boiling, peel and chop the ginger and add the lovage and
pepper, and pound them all together in a mortarium (OK, use a food
processor). Add the cooked egg yolks and beat into a stiff paste. Add the
honey and garum and stir until smooth. Rinse out the mortar with the wine
and vinegar (could try Lapella's sour wine instead, I guess) into a pan. Add
the oil, bring to the boil and simmer gently for a few minutes. Add to the
(by now) mushy peas, and re-heat.
Simmer, stirring well, until you get a nice stiff brown mess. Add more honey
to taste.
It looks awful but is wonderful hot or cold as a dip with ciabatta or pitta
bread.
Now for the happy invention: we were down to our last bottle of mulsum. I
risked diluting it with a quart of our own cider (medium dry). Don't use the
fizzy stuff. It works well, and you can taste the honey and spices from the
mulsum throughout. The ancient Brits. must have done the same 1,700 years
ago. Try it!
Bene valete,
Vado.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Introduction |
| From: |
Marcus Traianus Valerius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166091098194233050061175001147090048144091189251099013193116131142076083" >marcustrajanvalerius@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 06:46:01 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve,
Sounds good to me. I love the Ren Faire and I only
live 15 min away. :) It opens 24 JUNE
But I am not apposed to meeting anywhere in the
Chicagoland area.
--- <--------ef="/post/nov----------------otectID=070154192165056209247248242115114253071048139" >epeter4150@--------</--------; wrote:
> In a message dated 05/13/2000 9:43:52 AM Central
> Daylight Time,
> <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a> writes:
>
> << I am in Chicago (north side). I know of no
> meeting of cives that has
> taken place in this area, but would certainly like
> to participate if
> there was to be one.
>
> A west suburban cemetery here has a mausoleum that
> looks somewhat like
> a temple, with statues of Mercury and Minerva.
> (photographs at
>
>
<a href="http://www.graveyards.com/foresthome/gruspirits.html" target="_top" >http://www.graveyards.com/foresthome/gruspirits.html</a>).
> This would
> be a good location for local citizens of Nova Roma
> to gather.
>
> Vale, Octavius >>
>
> Salvete,
> I do think this would be a very interesting thing
> to try and attempt. If
> we could not pull together all fo the great lakes,
> perhaps the Chicagoland
> area. I do not know how any one else feels, but I
> would surely set aside the
> time to attend a gathering. Lets not forget too,
> that the Bristol Renaisance
> Fair is comming up in Wisconsin, and could also be a
> place to gather. Just a
> thought.
>
> Vale(te),
> Ursus Ragnos
>
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Multas felicitates!
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Citizen Of Nova Roma
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| Subject: |
Invitation reminder |
| From: |
"Sheridan/ Hibernicus" <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034056178009193132062218055036129208" >legioix@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 13:46:18 -0000 |
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Avete,
Some of Legio IX Hispana will be at the SCA's West/Am Tir War July
1-3,
Eureka CA.
Maybe even meet a few soldiers from Legio I Augusta, of Oregon and
Legio X Fretnsis of N.CA.
Salvete,
Hibernicus
Centurio
Legio IX Hispana
<a href="http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org" target="_top" >http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org</a>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] test |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 11:54:37 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salve, Sec. Ductor;
Message recieved loud and clear!!
Vale, Respectflly;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] edicta and laws |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 12:43:29 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salve, Tribune Serg. Aust.;
I am very often facinated by your posts, and you feelings about
government. While we do not always agree in our views of this topic we
have long ago agreed to disgree, and so I enjoy very much your ideas on
such.
Also, it is not often that you are able to take time out from your busy
schedule to discuss these points, so you may say that I am doubly
grateful for your spare moments. In your discussions with Festus on
government and education, you have been up to now somewhat general in
your explanation, and discussion about the aspects of each.
I should be very interested in your more specific points of each or both
if your time permits, both from the aspect of what is wrong and your
suggestions as to what might be done to right the situation. As you
will realize from our earlier touching on the point of government, I am
particularly interested in your perception of the Senior Magisrate's
duties, how you evaluate them and your ideas about how they could be
bettered both in an overall sense and in my particular situation. You
need not, of course, be concerned that I will take offence at your frank
appraisal, due to the mutual respect that we have in the past evinced
for our respective views of the topic under discussion.
Pleased once again to be educated by an astute and educated gentleman, I
remain your Most Interested and Attentive Magistrate;
Vale, Respectully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Fw: [novaroma] Well Come Pixie! about brewing: |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 12:54:40 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salvete, Omnes;
As a very novice vinter and wine maker, having made about 50 gallons of
mediocre wine before realilizig that I did not really care for it much
and being faced with giving it all away---I learned early that Paul
Shuford's comments are quite sound and the extra trouble certainly fends
of disaster!!! I was in my arly days as a budding vintner under the
tutelege of an experienced and some what crusty old gentleman who
demanded the utmost attention to all aspects of wine-making. He had
been a foreman in a large wine manufacturing "Bodega" in Spain (Puerto
De Santa Maria--Andalucia) ad he made both wine and Brandy here in the
U.S. as holiday and religious day presents. A fine teacher, but
certainly strict about the points that Paul has made.
(I finally got rid of my wine by instituting a serious of "Histry Club"
parties among my student contemporaries at college--College Students are
as bad as sailors--the will drink "anything." (Grinnnnnn!!!!!!!!)
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: [ The Gender Edictum |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 13:08:23 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salve, Marcus Papirus Justus;
Perhaps you should project your question to Marius Fimbria, who would
doubtless be interested in your comments.
Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Human Importance |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 13:19:17 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salvete, Omnes;
We used to have a saying in the lilitary service about the relative
importance of a single individual in the crew of a ship. The example:
---Take a bucket of water, which represents he situation (any stuation)
in which you find yourself. Stick you finger into the bucket of water
to represent your personage as being involved in the siuaton. Now jerk
your finger quickly out of the water, and the physical change /
distrbance in the water in the bucket is repesentative of the problems
caused by your leaving the ship / situation. Try it some day--in
privacy--the result is quite sobering!!!---
Valete, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Human Importance |
| From: |
Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 13:09:54 -0500 (CDT) |
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Salve, Consul Minuci!
>We used to have a saying in the military service about the relative
>importance of a single individual in the crew of a ship. The example:
You Navy types have too much time on your hands [g]! In the Air Force
it was put to me much more succinctly:
"If you ever start to think of yourself as indispensible, stick your
arm in a bucket of water; pull it out; and see how big a hole you
leave."
>({|;-) >({|8-) >({|:-) >({|;-P
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] PIXIE, T. Valerius, Edictum |
| From: |
Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 14:24:18 -0400 |
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Salvete Omnes,
Formosanus wrote (inter alia)
>All well and good, but it is my understanding that in Roma
>Antiqua praetors and any magistrates having to set forth an
>edictum at the beginning of their terms of office borrowed
>very freely indeed from their predecessors. That is not
>"precedent" in the Common Law sense, but is in fact a form
>of legislation within the competence of the magistrate.
>And I suppose we do not have a lex on this exact issue, so
>it would be difficult to judge on the basis of that
>non-existent law. On the other hand, the magistrate does, as
>it were, bind himself by his own quasi-legislation when it
>comes to judging later. So, he is *judging* by the law, and
>the fact that he chooses to *legislate* by precedent is
>another matter, and in effect in the Roman context just
>means that he wants the legal system to remain stable.
>(Otherwise in the case of praetors it would change every
>year in many very important particulars.)
All this is entirely true. But (a) the Praetorian Edict DID vary from yea=
r
to year (until it became codified), and Praetors did not consider
themselves absolutely bound by the acts of their predecessors. As to the
Censors, those of Roma Antiqua did not have imperium, and Lintott's
"Constitution of the Roman Republic" gives no indication of them issuing
Edicta, so that we don't know. (b) the right of intercessio by a colleagu=
e
or a tribune was used fairly extensively to force legislation, rather tha=
n
magistral rule-making, on matters of public importance.
My underlying point was that precedent is not in itsefl a satisfactory
argument for any rule. A consistent course of precedents over a long time=
can reasonably be said to be a custom. A single precedent adds nothing to=
the arguments for the course of action adopted.
>And as for democracy, I do suppose that we can judge to some
>extent what kind of magistrates we are electing, and
>sometimes I am sure they may even put before the electorate
>some salient points about their future edicta. That is quite
>a bit of democratic input, it seems to me.
Yes, if the edicta in question represent "manifesto commitments" discusse=
d
in the run up to the election. This hadn't - and what was so urgent about=
it that it couldn't go to the Comitia anyhow?
Valete
M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Salve |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 14:28:33 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salve. Omnes;
In regard to Heinlien's remark about cats and dogs, I understand from
animal experts that most of the reason for the difficulty in training
cats is due to a combination of thier lesser intellectual abilities,
together with a view that their logic is focused on an entirely
different basis than that of a dog's.
While I certainly would never wish to bring into question, or even
remotely suggest the relationship between cats and dogs to women and
men, the quote does seem to have it's unfortunate connotations in view
of the above information. Particularly in view of my very limited
experience in working in a mixed work place for twenty years, and
dealing with a large group of mixed volunteers for nearly forty years.
Walking rapidly away to the nearest bomb shelter.
Valete, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Salve |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 14:51:40 EDT |
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Salve,
If it's true that a cat's logic is focused on an entirely different basis
than that of a dog's, then the challenge is for the trainer to attempt to
understand and work within that logical system, much as an anthropologist
tries to understand the internal logical consistency of another culture.
Anthropologists who start out assuming that their subjects possess lesser
intellectual abilities usually find themselves quite humbled at the end of
their field experience.
just food for thought,
Iustinia Cassia (who trained her last cat to do several dog tricks)
In a message dated 5/14/0 1:29:25 PM, <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a> --------es:
<< In regard to Heinlien's remark about cats and dogs, I understand from
animal experts that most of the reason for the difficulty in training
cats is due to a combination of thier lesser intellectual abilities,
together with a view that their logic is focused on an entirely
different basis than that of a dog's.
While I certainly would never wish to bring into question, or even
remotely suggest the relationship between cats and dogs to women and
men, the quote does seem to have it's unfortunate connotations in view
of the above information. Particularly in view of my very limited
experience in working in a mixed work place for twenty years, and
dealing with a large group of mixed volunteers for nearly forty years.
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Re: [novaroma] Re: Manu Fica |
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Sun, 14 May 2000 14:55:15 EDT |
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Is this the same gesture that is often done with the right hand placed over
the inside left elbow, with the fisted left arm then jerked rapidly upward?
Or am I thinking of something else?
Iustinia Cassia
In a message dated 5/14/0 7:27:16 AM, <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> writes:
<< >Thank you for another fascinating post. Can you describe for us the "mano
>fico" gesture?
And somebody replied (whom I seem to have deleted) to the effect that until
only recently it was mostly regarded as an ancient disused gesture.
Well, I was introduced to it when I was about 7 or 8, and went to junior
school in Lancashire.(Britannia, in the Briganes' territory). In those
pre-pubescent days, we called it 'poking tongues' and it was used as a
gesture of dismissal and contempt. Even so, the parallel as an apotropaic
sign is interesting, don't you think?
>>
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Re: [novaroma] Salve |
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"Pixie" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=197028131056056135172082190036" >pyxee@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 15:12:34 -0400 |
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Salvete-
I merely have that in my sig becuase I happen to have a very smart and
strong-willed cat:) The cat does what it likes and even feeds itself. It is
in no way meant to be derogatory or sexually discriminatory. Dogs are much
more obedient and while, that is nice in a housepet, I've never seen a dog
kill a spider to keep their mistress from screaming their head off. Cats are
the Masters of the house, or so they like to think, dogs have more
Auctoritas. Both are different but equals.
Valete,
Pixie
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Randi "Pixie" Bruner
#9603-040 Bete SA
"Women and cats will do as they please and men and dogs
should relax and get used to the idea." -Robert A. Heinlein
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GLADIATOR! |
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Sun, 14 May 2000 12:18:52 -0700 |
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Salvete Quirites.
I will chance being extreme in my comment on the movie. It was
great! Yes. It was fiction. Yes, the costuming was inaccurate (but
not as much as it might have been). It was good drama. It was good
entertainment. The views of Roma were stunning (even if my critical
faculties kept noticing that they had moved around the geography of
the immortal city to suit what they wanted to accomplish). There was
a running thread that ROME can be so much more in thought than the
physical reality forces it to be. I did not put that right, but I am
not handy with words. The Republic is part of the ideal Rome that is
strove for in the story. The bad emperor Commodus is the one who is
for the monarchy. Many of the Senators are only after what they can
get out of it. And some in favor of restoring the Republic suffer for
their dreams. I said it is fiction, but great Roman publicity. The
cinematographic work is unique in a number of elements. For the most
part I liked it. The combat scenes do Not use the slow motion
effect. What they do use is more like what I remember from the tense,
hectic, frantic situations I have been in. (I thank all the Gods that
ever have been that I have never been in battle.) There are some
elements of the photographic techniques that make me wonder if much of
the movie will be lost on the small screen. The use of different
elements of light and shadow in particular could make the image on a
small video screen unintelligible. Not to mention the THX sounds of
wolves howling off screen as they devour the dead on the battle
field. [Chilling, that.] It was fiction. The inaccuracies were in
more than the head wear. It had a happy ending, so to speak. It was
Roman.
Ave, Roma Immortalis!
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius.
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| Subject: |
question |
| From: |
"Pixie" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=197028131056056135172082190036" >pyxee@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 16:06:32 -0400 |
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Salvete-
I am applying for citizenship and have been offered to be adopted several
gens. However, my husband has applied for citizenship in a different gens
than I. How should our marriage be reflected in my Roman name? Must I join
the same gens as he?
Pixie
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Randi "Pixie" Bruner
#9603-040 Bete SA
"Women and cats will do as they please and men and dogs
should relax and get used to the idea." -Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: [novaroma] question |
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<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 16:15:48 EDT |
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In a message dated 5/14/00 4:09:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=197028131056056135172082190036" >pyxee@--------</a> writes:
<< Must I join the same gens as he? >>
I don't know if you have to join the same gens, but why join different ones?
Why not do it together as a couple?
The Lupinia gens, incidentally, values marriage and couples doing things
together. Not that I am plugging my own gens, of which I am Paterfamilias,
even if it is small and would welcome newbies!
Gaius Lupinius Festus
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Re: [novaroma] question |
| From: |
"Pixie" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=197028131056056135172082190036" >pyxee@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 17:22:49 -0400 |
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Pixie Gaio Lupino Festo SPD
>Why not do it together as a couple?
We are doing this as a couple but since our interests lie in different
angles and we wish for different patron gods, we've decided to join separate
gens and he has already applied for citizenship. Thank you kindly for the
offer however:) It is much appreciated and I hope to learn from and talk
with your gens members to learn how a couple fits into Nova Roma.
Pixie (soon to hopefully be known as Turia Apollonia Sulpicia)
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Randi "Pixie" Bruner
#9603-040 Bete SA
"Women and cats will do as they please and men and dogs
should relax and get used to the idea." -Robert A. Heinlein
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Re: [novaroma] Re: Manu Fica |
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| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 22:37:02 -0000 |
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No, Cassia. That is something else.
The Fica is making a fist with the thumb between teh index and middle
finger, sticking out. It is phallic in its being likened ...
[deleted because I wasn't sure just how much I could say on
ourGeneral
audience list].
Ericius.(who uses all sorts of language)
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miauere (verb, reg.)
--- In <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>, JustiniaCassia@a... wrote:
> Is this the same gesture that is often done with the right hand
placed over
> the inside left elbow, with the fisted left arm then jerked rapidly
upward?
> Or am I thinking of something else?
>
> Iustinia Cassia
>
> In a message dated 5/14/0 7:27:16 AM, n_moravius@-------- writes:
>
> << >Thank you for another fascinating post. Can you describe for us
the "mano
> >fico" gesture?
>
> And somebody replied (whom I seem to have deleted) to the effect
that until
> only recently it was mostly regarded as an ancient disused gesture.
>
> Well, I was introduced to it when I was about 7 or 8, and went to
junior
> school in Lancashire.(Britannia, in the Briganes' territory). In
those
> pre-pubescent days, we called it 'poking tongues' and it was used
as
a
> gesture of dismissal and contempt. Even so, the parallel as an
apotropaic
> sign is interesting, don't you think?
> >>
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