| Subject: |
Re: The Gender Edictum |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 20:35:02 EDT |
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In a message dated 5/13/00 11:30:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=197166104009127132130232203026129208071" >pap--------s@--------</a> wr--------:
<< I must have been quick on the delete key since I've missed much of this
discussion. What I wanted to mention was that somewhere in Justinian's
Digest, the jurists pronounced that hermaphrodites should be considered to
have the gender which they most 'appeared' to be ... I can look up the
particulars if this would be helpful in the current discussion ...
>>
Salvete,
I don't know about anyone else, but I would think that this sort of ancient
ruling might well be important. If you happen to find the direct reference,
please do post/save it!
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] "Gladiator" Movie |
| From: |
Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a> |
| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 20:05:02 -0500 (CDT) |
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May 12-14, 2000 (Studio estimates)
1. Gladiator $ 24.3 Million/ $ 73.3 Million
2. Battlefield Earth $ 12.3 Million/ New
3. U-571 $ 5.8 Million/ $ 57.9 Million
4. Center Stage $ 4.8 Million/ New
5. Viva Rock Vegas $ 4.8 Million/ $ 24.6 Million
Courtesy of JoBlo's Movie Emporium <a href="http://www.joblo.com/" target="_top" >http://www.joblo.com/</a>
"Battlefield Earth" is an abysmal failure, with critics and audiences
alike... "Gladiator" remains on top!
Octavius
---
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curule Aedile, Nova Roma
Microsoft delenda est!
<a href="http://www.graveyards.com/" target="_top" >http://www.graveyards.com/</a>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Manu Fica |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Sun, 14 May 2000 22:31:21 -0500 |
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Salve Vado,
I'm too far from my dictionary to look up the meaning of "apotropaic" --
I'll get around to that later.
Dredging up from the depths of my bucket of assorted latin terms, I seem
to recall that "ficus" refers to the fig. Is that where the "fico" part
comes from? The "fig hand?"
Vale,
L. Sergius Aust.
On 5/14/00 7:26 AM Nicolaus Moravius (<a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a>) wrote:
>Salvete quiriti: quaerit L. Sergius Australicus:
>
>>Thank you for another fascinating post. Can you describe for us the "mano
>>fico" gesture?
>
>And somebody replied (whom I seem to have deleted) to the effect that until
>only recently it was mostly regarded as an ancient disused gesture.
>
>Well, I was introduced to it when I was about 7 or 8, and went to junior
>school in Lancashire.(Britannia, in the Briganes' territory). In those
>pre-pubescent days, we called it 'poking tongues' and it was used as a
>gesture of dismissal and contempt. Even so, the parallel as an apotropaic
>sign is interesting, don't you think?
>
>Bene valete,
>
>Vado.
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| Subject: |
Not-so-random thoughts |
| From: |
Megas-Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 00:04:30 -0500 |
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Avete Omnes,
Venator scripsit:
Primus: Marius Fimbria, mea amicus, I am glad to see you have not left completely. I've been quiet
on the issue involved in the "Edictum" since I have little basis of understanding your self
identification, but I shall not withdraw my proferred hand of friendship.
Secondus: Pixie, I've not forgottten you, just been real slow on answering. Also, the charter of
the Sodalis for brewers and cooks is available in the document file which Marius Fimbria set up at
Nova Roma's One-List (e-list) website. Also, as a fundraiser for the New City, I have written a
bas--------ead brew--------manual. Ema--------e at <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a> for deta-------- or --------ou have brew--------and/or
vinting questions.
*** Cassius, copies left over for this year's Roman Days???
Tertius: To the other Magna Lacus Cives, I live near Rockford, IL - about 90 miles northwest of
Chicago. After early July, I'll be able to meet, for whatever...
Quartus: To the (IIRC) comment about Nova Roma being less friendly to the Pagan Religious view:
Hel, I'm a Vinlander seeking to give Honor and Respect to the Gods and Goddesses of my Northern
Europen Ancestors, a Heathen, an Asatruar... I have found nothing but friendliness and courtesy
from the vast majority of those who have different religious views from me within the New City.
verbae satis
In Amicus et Fidelis - Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
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| Subject: |
Re: Manu Fica |
| From: |
Megas-Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 00:13:46 -0500 |
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Avete omnes,
Venator scripsit:
I remember getting in trouble for using this gesture when I was in pre-school, uh, many moons ago.
(My Mom says I have too good a memeory for some things.) I learned it from watching my maternal
grandfather, an Abbruzzese Italian who spoke quite eloquently with his large repetoire of gestures.
(Papa is 89 and still works two or three days a week at the shoe repair he founded over 60 years
ago.)
One might also recall "Henry V" with Kenneth Brannaugh (sp.) when he is touring the encampment the
night before the battle and he and Pistole exchange words, with Pistole replying (with appropriate
gesture) "A figo for thee."
Valete - Venii
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] question |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 01:23:45 EDT |
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In a message dated 5/14/00 5:23:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=197028131056056135172082190036" >pyxee@--------</a> writes:
<< It is much appreciated and I hope to learn from and talk
with your gens members to learn how a couple fits into Nova Roma. >>
Salve,
I am the only Lupinii I'm afraid. My wife is a Filipina, and coming as
she does from an Asian country does not have too much of an interest in
"things Roman". Perhaps this will change over time. She does encourage my
involvment however, and likes to be informed of the goings-on in Nova Roma.
The Lupinia Gens is BYOD. {Bring Your Own Deities}. It has no patron
deities. But the Lupinii do encourage reading and thinking philosophically.
Festus
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| Subject: |
Choosing a religion |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 01:35:49 EDT |
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Salvete,
If all the religions of the Pre-Christian Greco-Roman world were set
before me, and I had to choose one, I think it would be the Isis-Sarapis
cult. I have a fondness for the Goddess Isis. I like it that she and
Sarapis-Osiris were the patron deities of the Great Library of Alexandria.
Isis was many wonderful things to her Greco-Roman worshippers. Patroness of
learning, loving mother, healer, goddess of love. One of her titles sounds
monotheistic at heart----'The Only One'.
Recently I applied for a correspondence course on worship of Isis taught
by deTraci Regula, author of The Mysteries of Isis. I had read most of her
book, and while I am a skeptic in matters of religious faith, I did check out
her historical claims with the book Isis In The Ancient World, by R.E. Witt,
and found Regula had done her homework, at least from an histoical point of
view. Whether or not the ancient Isis worshippers saw Isis as Regula does, I
do not know. She is a priestess in the Fellowship of Isis.
When I finish reading the book I am currently engaged in, I will tackle
Apuleius' 'The Golden Ass'.
Gaius Lupinius Festus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem III Idus Mai (May 13th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 10:39:26 +0100 |
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Salvete Luci Sergi Australice et al
>Thank you for another fascinating post. Can you describe for us the "mano
>fico" gesture?
Well, no need for this. After the explanations of Razenna and the thread
that followed, I would say that to explain it better I would have to use a
web camera. =)
>Also, when I first learned of this rite I think I was told that one
>_spits_ the nine black beans into the corners of the house. Throwing them
>over my shoulder sounds a bit more palatable.
Well, in fact I have read the two versions. I've even read a version that
included both methods, one after the other. I have preferred to present the
"most palatable" as you call it, but I am still researching. Unfortunately I
have not the Fasti of Ovid at home, and it seems he was the original source
for the text.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] edicta and laws |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 07:13:08 -0500 |
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Salve Marcus Minucius,
As my other message explains, I'm on my way out of town, having just
gotten back from another trip yesterday! I am flattered by your praise
and trying to be wary of letting it go to my head, which is probably
already too big. You are truly too kind!
I will _try_ to answer your inquiry when I return.
Vale,
Lucius Sergius Australicus
On 5/14/00 11:43 AM Marcus Minucius Audens (<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045232113165042200148200112241225012177026038196249130152150" >jmath669642reng@--------</a>)
wrote:
>Salve, Tribune Serg. Aust.;
>
>I am very often facinated by your posts, and you feelings about
>government. While we do not always agree in our views of this topic we
>have long ago agreed to disgree, and so I enjoy very much your ideas on
>such.
>
>Also, it is not often that you are able to take time out from your busy
>schedule to discuss these points, so you may say that I am doubly
>grateful for your spare moments. In your discussions with Festus on
>government and education, you have been up to now somewhat general in
>your explanation, and discussion about the aspects of each.
>
>I should be very interested in your more specific points of each or both
>if your time permits, both from the aspect of what is wrong and your
>suggestions as to what might be done to right the situation. As you
>will realize from our earlier touching on the point of government, I am
>particularly interested in your perception of the Senior Magisrate's
>duties, how you evaluate them and your ideas about how they could be
>bettered both in an overall sense and in my particular situation. You
>need not, of course, be concerned that I will take offence at your frank
>appraisal, due to the mutual respect that we have in the past evinced
>for our respective views of the topic under discussion.
>
>Pleased once again to be educated by an astute and educated gentleman, I
>remain your Most Interested and Attentive Magistrate;
>
>Vale, Respectully;
>Marcus Audens
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Welcome, Marcus Valerius |
| From: |
"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 05:55:49 PDT |
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Ave, Marcus Traianus Valerius:
This is a few days late, but nonetheless, warm greetings and welcome to Nova
Roma!
Perhaps we shall exchange posts in the forum one day soon.
Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
>From: Marcus Traianus Valerius <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=029166091098194233050061175001147090048144091189251099013193116131142076083" >marcustrajanvalerius@--------</a>
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>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: [novaroma] Introduction
>Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:42:05 -0700 (PDT)
>
>SALVE!
>
>I wanted to take a moment to introduce myself. I am
>Marcus Traianus Valerius and am a new citizen of Rome.
> I live in Wisconsin and work just north of Chicago.
>I am a self proclaimed philosopher and love all things
>from the ancient world.
>
>I look forward to being an active member of Nova Roma.
>
>
>
>=====
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Salve Pixie |
| From: |
"Rick Brett" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=189212253108160085015199190036129" >trog99@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 05:59:17 PDT |
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Salve Pixie: Welcome to the Nova Roma forum. I do hope you and your
husband join us soon as civites.
Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
>From: "Pixie" <a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=197028131056056135172082190036" >pyxee@--------</a>
>Reply-To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>To: <a href="mailto:novaroma@--------" >novaroma@--------</a>
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Salve
>Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:10:18 -0400
>
>Salve Minervina Iucundia Flavia,
>
>
> >I am both the Propraetor of the SE USA Provincia and the materfamilias of
> >the gens Iucundia. I'll be glad to adopt you or help you decide which
>gens
> >to join.
>
> Please email me privately and tell me about gens Iucundia. My email is
><a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=197028131056056135172082190036" >pyxee@--------</a> I will fill out my applicatio--------ce I choose a ge----------------fo--------br>
>work on a name that has not been repeated in a gens or get my number
>(Secunda, Quinta, ect). My husband would also be interested in bcecoming a
>cives.
>
> > You sound a great addition to Nova Roma! Off course, I am hungry
> >and I saw that you like cooking, so that's what caught my eye
>
>Never ask my family about my experiments in using asoefetida in recipes. I
>will stick with filled foods ala Cena Trimalcionis and such to aviod
>ruining
>appetites:) But yes, I do cook Roman recipes from Apicius cookbooks and
>even make my own mead, beers and wine in traditional manner.
>
>Sincerely,
> Pixie
>
>**************************
>Randi "Pixie" Bruner
>#9603-040 Bete SA
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>should relax and get used to the idea." -Robert A. Heinlein
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| Subject: |
Tribune out of touch |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 09:02:51 EDT |
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Salvete omnes
I know that some will enjoy my subject line! However this is just to
inform that I will be off-line for a couple of days to attend a "retreat"
connected with my real-world job. I'm already late departing.
Didn't want anyone to misinterpret my lack of response to emails. I hope
the Republic holds together 'till I get back. ;-)
Valete,
Lucius Sergius Australicus
Tribunus Plebis
cum ballistae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscripti ballistas habebunt.
(When ballistas are outlawed, only outlaws will have ballistas.)
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] edicta and laws |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 09:02:52 EDT |
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Salve,
I'm sorry if this is an artifact of a hasty reading, but at first glance
this looks like a random selection of empty platitudes from some high
school civics assembly -- probably a right-wing private high school at
that. I'll read it again when I get back in town.
Vale,
L. Sergius Aust.
On 5/14/00 4:10 AM John Prichard (<a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=045154104003194091033082" >jpp@--------</a>) wrote:
>> Have you looked around lately? There is a range of behaviors across the
>> population -- some children get more meaningful training than others.
>> Vast numbers get nothing or worse. The number who grow up antisocial or
>> dyssocial are quite enough to create chaos, as anyone who looks at the
>> real world can attest.
>>
>> L. Sergius Aust.
>
>
> "Back in *my* day, sonny. . ."
>
> People do fall through the "cracks" of society, and life is not fair.
>The best training one can get for the "real world" is to be trained
>utilizers of their freedom.
>
> This freedom means kids get to work hard, go to school, and climb the
>ladders of society or embrace the snakes of supposedly dyssocial behavior.
>
> Rule of law works because it protects the freedom of people to do what
>they want while still holding them responsible for their actions.
>
> If we want both freedom and personal accountability, we have to let
>people fail sometimes. This doesn't mean that we let them fall on hard
>times or suffer. That's where we agree to put in social safety nets to
>provide a sort of societal minimum for the cives. Digression.
>
> Indoctrinate all kids with state-sponsored "values" or lift the rule of
>law? Which would you have people accept, a lack of liberty or a lack of
>responsibility?
>
> -Secundus Troicus Ductor
> Lanista
purgamentum init, exit purgamentum.
(Garbage in, garbage out.)
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| Subject: |
ATTN (Religio Romana): Pridie Idus Mai (May 14th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 15:14:25 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes
I bag your pardon for not having been available, but I still would like to
post the religious note for yesterday.
Yesterday was a dies comitiales (C), when committees of citizens can
vote on political or criminal matters.
The Argeis is the companion rite to the Procession of the Argei in Martius.
At this ceremony the 27 Argei (human-shaped bundles of rushes) are carried
counter-clockwise throughout the city in a procession that incldues the
Flamen and Flaminica Dialis, the Vestal Virgins, and the Praetor. In a
ritual probably done as a substitute for human sacrifice, the Vestal Virgins
then throw the Argei into the Tiber from the Bridge of Sublicius.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
ATTN (Religio Romana): Idus Mai (May 15th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 15:16:23 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes
This is one of the dies nefasti (N), a day on which no legal action or
public business can take place.
Today Maia and Mercurius are honoured together. The merchants ('mercatores')
celebrate the dedication of the temple of Mercurius which is near the Circus
Maximus. This was dedicated in 495 BC. Our prayers ask for His help granting
the success of our affairs.
Not far away from the temple, near the Porta Capena, the pious merchant,
after purification, draws water from a "spring of Mercurius" with a jug duly
submited to fumigations. He then soaks a laurel branch, lifts his
merchandise and sprinkles himself saying: "Wash my past perjuries, wash my
lies of yesterday". Well, remind that Hermes had once stolen the cattle of
Apollo.
Why Mercurius is today associated to Maia, we don't know... But some say
that being Maia a Godess of growth, the deceased and the Earth, being
Mercurius the God of enterprise and commerce, They jointly assimilate the
power of the spirits of the ancestors, who watch from the kingdom of Dis
(=Plouton=wealth) beneath the Earth and help us in our daily affairs.
Also, the Ides of every month are sacred to Iuppiter. An white ewe is
sacrificed
to Iuppiter by the Flamen Dialis.
I remind you that Maius is the month of the old and the dead. Maia, the
Lares and the Manes and their mother (Mater Larum) are specially honoured.
Pax Deorum vobiscum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
Re: GLADIATOR! on the Big Screen |
| From: |
"Sheridan/ Hibernicus" <a href="/--------/novaroma?--------ectID=034056178009193132062218055036129208" >legioix@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 14:25:57 -0000 |
|
>
> There are some
> elements of the photographic techniques that make me wonder if much
of the movie will be lost on the small screen. The use of different
> elements of light and shadow in particular could make the image on a
> small video screen unintelligible.
> Valete.
> C. Aelius Ericius.
If you have not seen the movie in the theatre you will surely miss
the
grandeur and the detail a great deal of which will be lost on a TV.
"Gladiator" does not fall into the we'll-wait-to-see-it-on-video
category.
Hibernicus
Centurio
Legio IX Hispana
<a href="http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org" target="_top" >http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org</a>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Ancient Egyption (was Choosing a) religion |
| From: |
<--------lass="msghead"> &l--------href="/pos--------varoma?pro--------ID=034166250009056116130232203056129208071" &g--------bienus@--------&l--------&g--------td>
| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 09:42:40 US/Central |
|
Salvete,
> If all the religions of the Pre-Christian Greco-Roman world were set
> before me, and I had to choose one, I think it would be the Isis-Sarapis
> cult. I have a fondness for the Goddess Isis. I like it that she and
> Sarapis-Osiris were the patron deities of the Great Library of Alexandria.
> Isis was many wonderful things to her Greco-Roman worshippers. Patroness of
> learning, loving mother, healer, goddess of love. One of her titles sounds
> monotheistic at heart----'The Only One'.
This is quite likely because, assuming Hornung, et al are correct, the ancient
Egyptians were monolatrists, who believed that all gods were facets of one
unknowable deity.
For those who are interested in ancient Egyptian religious thought prior to the
Ptolemys, I strongly recommend the House of Netjer (www.kemet.org). Their
leader, Rev. Tamara Siuda (AUS), is pursuing a PhD in Egyptology at Chicago's
Oriental Institute, and they are quite receptive to polite inquiries about
their beliefs.
Valete,
T Labienus Fortunatus
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| Subject: |
Re: question |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=194232192180194153138149203043129208071" >rmerullo@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 11:16:14 -0400 |
|
Salvete Civis Futura et alii
I hope that you don't mind my referring to you as "Citizen To Be" for now,
but it seems the best name to use until your questions are fully answered
and you are sure of gens affiliation et cetera.
>
>I am applying for citizenship and have been offered to be adopted several
>gens.
Good for you! Have you already submitted an application? Please reply to
<a href="/post/--------roma?protectID=219056234112193209090218066036129208" >ce--------s@--------</a> to tell me whether you have do--------his. I ca--------fi--------r>
your application, although I have received some related material.
However, my husband has applied for citizenship in a different gens
>than I. How should our marriage be reflected in my Roman name?
In the late Republic, women often took the genitive form of the husband's
name (nomen or cognomen) like a cognomen. I don't believe that this was
ever uniformly practiced, however, and certainly in Nova Roma, there is no
firm rule on this. You may use a genitive form of your husband's Roman
name, or not, as you prefer.
Must I join
>the same gens as he?
Absolutely not. This too is your decision, you may join the same gens or
two different gentes.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
Censor Suffectus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 851 |
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"Nicolaus Moravius" <a --------="/post/novaroma?protectID=091089014007127031215056228219114187071048139" >n_moravius@--------</a> |
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Mon, 15 May 2000 12:40:22 PDT |
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Salutem!
Inquit Australicus:
>I'm too far from my dictionary to look up the meaning of "apotropaic" --
>I'll get around to that later.
- comes from the Greek 'APO' (= away) + 'TROPEIN' (= to turn); thus, a sign
of turning away, of warding off, evil. Representations of sexual organs seem
to have been extensively used in this context in the ancient world: one has
only to consider Priapus, as guardian of gardens and allotments, and the
Greek herms in a more general, boundary defence context. Then there are the
manu fica and phallus talismans, found in vast quantity in Roman
archaeological sites, phallic tintinnabula to hand over the door, etc., etc.
>Dredging up from the depths of my bucket of assorted latin terms, I seem
>to recall that "ficus" refers to the fig. Is that where the "fico" part
>comes from? The "fig hand?"
- there are two opinions about this (that I know of): that 'fig' is indeed
intended (the idea being in the resemblance of the ripe fruit to labia,
vagina etc., and that 'fico' actually means that other four-letter word
beginning with an F. I prefer the latter.
Vado (preparing to make an ancient ritual gesture of dismissal now Sulla is
back online).
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Trying to Fudge the Gender Issue (was Re: Announcement) |
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| Date: |
Mon, 15 May 2000 21:46:10 +0100 |
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Salvete Novi Romani
Scripsit Quintus Fabius Maximus:
<< Dexippus and Diana Aventina >>
Salve!
I asked both these individuals to stay. I received a two page private
e-mail
from one and two lines another. Since they are private e-mails the reasons
remain private. You know why Aventina left, Vado.
- so does the whole Main List, after she posted her admiration for and
sympathy with, Dexippus and Fimbria. And I also know, in detail, exactly why
Dexippus left, too. Fimbria too, is keeping everybody well posted.
Lucius Cornelius removed
both people from the rolls after it determined neither wanted to stay.
- 'it'? Is that any way to refer to your friend? :-)
>>And what I think lately, is that something is rotten in the Censorial
office.<<
If you are going to accuse the Censor of doing something, you must have
proof, and you must take your accusations to the Praetor Urbanii.
- I have. I will.
But
exactly what the did the censor do except publish an Edicta that wasn't to
your liking? You have never liked Lucius Cornelius Sulla, you made that
very
clear in your previous posts.
- wrong. I actually liked Sulla at first, but since then he has worked very
hard over the past eighteen months to earn my enmity. It isn't a matter of
personal dislike. It is loathing for the lack of virtue an individual seems
to personify. Whoever they are.
- I would - and I will - have a go at anyone who crosses the pomerium of
honour into the mucky swamp of political self-advancement at the expense of
all else. Whether I like them or not.
I think waiting to attack anyone when they can't defend themselves is not
very Roman. And it adds nothing to your Dignatis.
- I am not concerned with adding to my dignitas, Quinte Fabi. Everyone knows
how little of that I make do with. In my opinion, Nova Roma would be a far
happier (and more populous) place if more of our magistrates showed a little
less dignitas and a little more humility and self-criticism.
- I resent your accusation that I 'waited to attack' Sulla when he went into
hospital. This debate, which is all Sulla's fault, has been joined by many.
Are we always to stop a debate while somebody goes offline? If so, why
single me out for your indignation?
- Well, Quinte Fabi, I guess the fact is, you've never liked me. I can live
with that. I can also live with the rest of my indignatio amphora'd up
until Sulla comes back on the main list (his invective against me is thus
far confined to the Vizantia list).
How is the rat, by the way?
Vado.
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