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Turkish Pompeii to be flooded |
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Mon, 22 May 2000 17:08:56 -0700 |
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It's name was, is Zuegma. It was recently discovered. It is in the
process of being submerged as the reservoir for a new hydroelectric
damn fills. Here is the link:
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/turkey000522_zuegma.html" target="_top" >http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/turkey000522_zuegma.html</a>
C. Aelius Ericius.
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| Subject: |
Roman Shoe information |
| From: |
Megas-Rob--------n <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=243232178182078116015056190036129" >amgunn@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Mon, 22 May 2000 23:00:46 -0500 |
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Avete Omnes:
Venii scripsit,
Thought this webpage might be of interest. It has links to design and crafting information on Roman
as well as other historical footware.
<a href="http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/ROMELIST.HTM" target="_top" >http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/shoe/ROMELIST.HTM</a>
In Amicus sub Fidelis - Venii
Post Scriptum: I shall be announcing another addittion to my Gens soon.
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| Subject: |
Insult on message board |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 May 2000 06:20:51 EDT |
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The person calling himself "You Suckicus Maximus" who left an insulting note
on the NR message board is apparentyly a staff member {or related to such} of
the Dayspring Fellowship. His email a--------ss is <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=061064113121146154033082190" >s----------------</a>.
Complaints may be sent to
Dayspring Chapel
5500 Avenue G
Austin, TX 78751
(512) 451-0116
OR, email the pa-------- at <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=114158214237152198138218000036129208" >dchapel@--------</a>
Be sure to mention the email address of the person responsible for the post.
Gaius Lupinius Festus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem X Kalendas Iunius (May 23rd) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=243232178003185091033082" >amg@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 May 2000 11:24:22 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes
This is a dies nefastus publicus (NP), a day for special religious
observance on which no legal action or public business can take place.
Today is the Tubilustrium of Maius, which is dedicated to Volcanus (the
other Tubilustrim took place on March 23rd and was dedicated to Mars), the
divine smith responsible for making the trumpets (tubae) of the
Tubilustrium. On these days the trumpets were lustrated, or purified for use
in ceremonies.
I remind you that Maius is the month of the old and the dead. Maia, the
Lares and the Manes and their mother Mania (Mater Larum) are specially
honoured.
Pax Deorum vobiscum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Insult on message board |
| From: |
Mar--------O--------ius Germani--------<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=180075219163056135025082190036" >hu----------------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 May 2000 07:20:56 -0500 (CDT) |
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Salve Gai Lupini,
> the Dayspring Fellowship. His email a--------ss is <a href="/post/novaroma?protectID=061064113121146154033082190" >s----------------</a>.
That looks like a fake address -- except for the "org", it's just
the left-hand home row keys on a standard keyboard.
The only way to track down losers like this is to record their IP address
at the time of posting.
Octavius
---
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curule Aedile, Nova Roma
Microsoft delenda est!
<a href="http://www.graveyards.com/" target="_top" >http://www.graveyards.com/</a>
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| Subject: |
Re: Vado's quotes (sort of) |
| From: |
Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 May 2000 11:23:43 -0500 (CDT) |
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Salve, Lupini Feste, et salvete omnes..
I said I would not comment publicly any further on the Gender Edictum
while it was being considered by the Senate. However, I canNOT let
this one slide:
[Festus quoting Vado:]
>>"...I am reminded of the two cases brought... in 1997 to the
>>European Court of Justice by male-to-female transexuals to have their
>>so-called gender reassignment recognised, so that they can legally
>>'become' women in spite of being born men."
[me quoting Festus:]
> These two transexuals lost their case---a point Vado conveniently
> hides by removing the word 'unsucessfully' which is between the words
> 'brought', and 'in 1997'.
Feste, I regret to inform you that *you* are missing some information.
Yes, the two cases in '97 were lost--but a third case brought to the
same court in April of 1999 resulted in the sought-after recognition,
and the constituent states of the EC are, as we speak, changing their
laws to follow suit. (The court decision itself, a commentary, and
Britain's brand-new Gender Reassignment Regulations form the bulk of
the packet of documentation which I have submitted to interested
members of the Senate. [BTW, if you are a Senator awaiting such a
packet, they went out at 1230pm Saturday; you should see yours today or
tomorrow.])
It's a good thing I am not one of the suspicious, sourpuss-type
personalities that have surfaced on the List of late, or I would be
reading all kinds of unsavory motives into Festus' neglect of more
current information. As it is, I shall simply chalk it up to
incomplete research on his part; being aware of the two defeated cases,
he did not pursue the matter any further. A fellow can be
just-plain-wrong in my book without also having to be a liar and a
cheat. Ignorance is forgivable; it's apathy that's going to kill us if
anything can, and Vado, praise the Gods, has been anything but
apathetic.
'Nuff said...
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Lucius Marius Fimbria / Legio VI Victrix |>[SPQR]<|
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |\=/|
Storyteller, Roleplayer Emeritus, ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
Historical Re-Creationist, `\*/, `` }`^~`,,, \ \
and Citizen of Rome ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
'Just a-hangin' around the Universe, | | / )\ \| /
bein' a Roman...it's hard work, but _|_| / _/_| /`(
*somebody's* gotta do it!!' /./..=' /./..'
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| Subject: |
Re:Latin Js and Ys |
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| Date: |
Tue, 23 May 2000 13:06:06 EDT |
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Salve Marcvs Cassivs Ivlianvs
Like most other things we do in NR we have seemed to accept a convention.
This is using J for the old Latin I. However there seemed to by a Y in use
in Latin inscriptions dated to the 4th Cent CE in both France and Spain. I'm
wondering if this some sort of bastardization of the language with Gaelic.
This would explain the Y in Gryllus' nomen. Gaelic speakers, any comments?
Vale
Q. Fabius
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| Subject: |
Re:Latin Js and Ys |
| From: |
Mariu--------mbria <a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 May 2000 12:22:37 -0500 (CDT) |
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Salvete omnes...
> However there seemed to by a Y in use in Latin inscriptions dated to
> the 4th Cent CE in both France and Spain. I'm wondering if this some
> sort of bastardization of the language with Gaelic. This would
> explain the Y in Gryllus' nomen. Gaelic speakers, any comments?
I believe the Y is Greek in origin, not Gaelic; let us not forget the
extensive Greek colonization of Spain and southern France (as well as
southern Italy) during the Hellenistic age. To this day, the name for
the letter Y in Spanish is 'i griega'--"Greek 'I'"; and in a strange
orthographic turn, it took the place of Latin vocal V/U in Greek before
evolving into Spanish I. So 'Sulla' was 'Sylla' (SOO-luh) to the
Greeks, which the Spanish pronounced SEE-luh, which is now spelled
'Sila' in Spanish--!
Tongue-tied, >({|:-P
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Lucius Marius Fimbria / Legio VI Victrix |>[SPQR]<|
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> |\=/|
Storyteller, Roleplayer Emeritus, ( ~ 6 )~~~----...,,__
Historical Re-Creationist, `\*/, `` }`^~`,,, \ \
and Citizen of Rome ``=.\ (__==\_ /\ }
'Just a-hangin' around the Universe, | | / )\ \| /
bein' a Roman...it's hard work, but _|_| / _/_| /`(
*somebody's* gotta do it!!' /./..=' /./..'
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re:Latin Js and Ys |
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| Date: |
Tue, 23 May 2000 13:28:03 EDT |
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In a message dated 5/23/2000 10:24:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
<a href="/po--------ovaroma?protectID=034056178009193116148218000036129208" >legion6@--------</a> write--------r>
<< I believe the Y is Greek in origin, not Gaelic; let us not forget the
extensive Greek colonization of Spain and southern France (as well as
southern Italy) during the Hellenistic age. To this day, the name for
the letter Y in Spanish is 'i griega'--"Greek 'I'"; and in a strange
orthographic turn, it took the place of Latin vocal V/U in Greek before
evolving into Spanish I. >>
Now that you mention this, I believe you are correct. We had simular
discussions in my class on classical Greek and its spread. However that was
many moons
ago. :)
Fadingly
Q. Fabius
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| Subject: |
Partial Explanation of "Y" |
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| Date: |
Tue, 23 May 2000 13:31:26 EDT |
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Salve Fabi, et Salvete Omnes,
To partially respond to your question about the appearance of the letter "Y"=
in Latin: Often, the "Y" occurs in words borrowed from Greek and represent=
s the Greek "upsilon" which at the time was likely pronounced as a high fron=
t rounded vowel (like the "u" in modern French) and which did not exist as a=
phoneme in Latin. (The "Z" which you will see in certain other Latin borro=
wings has a similar raison d'=EAtre, being used to represent the un-Latin so=
und of the Greek "zeta.") =20
Galedicus would be the expert to consult regarding Celtic usages. I believe=
that Old Welsh had a similar sound as the early upsilon, which it represent=
ed with the letter "U" (the Welsh "Y" being used for two distinctly separate=
sounds). Whether Gaulish or any Celto-Iberic language/dialect possessed th=
e phoneme is well outside my knowledge of those now-extinct tongues.
Bene tecum,
Acadianus Draco
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Vado's quotes (sort of) |
| From: |
<a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=226028211237082190172248203043129208071" >Lykaion1@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 May 2000 13:49:53 EDT |
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Maria, there is no "incomplete research" on my part.
The point of my post was to show that Vado was selectively quoting from an
article, deliberately avoiding mention of those features which would not
support his cause. If anyone can be accused of imcompleteness, it is not I.
As for the 1999 EU court, we ALL already knew about this. You had already
posted here and on the Ourpost about it, remember?
But one thing I do find ironic, is that while advocating the view that
Sulla's edict should have been voted on, you produce as a precedent a court
decision, which imposes itself on the people of the EU. Did they "vote" on
this? Or did a court impose this bad decision on the EU nations?
Incidentally, before Sulla went into the hospital, you and he, and I, were in
the chat room, where you began arguing this issue again. Sulla, losing
patience, asked you directly if you wanted NR to have a comitia vote on this
right now. You declined. Remember?
But I am curious about one thing. Why did you wait till now, several days
later, to bring this up? Surely you could have done so when you first
responded to the post. Is this just to keep this issue formost on this list?
If it is in the Senate, can we drop it for now?
This list is looking more like La Cage Au Foix than a Roman mailing list.
Gaius Lupinius Festus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Vado's quotes (sort of) |
| From: |
Mike Ma--------r <a href="/post/novaroma?prote--------=174176211056207031025158175026172165098048139046" >MikeMa--------r@--------</a> |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 May 2000 14:48:58 -0400 |
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Salvete!
To add to the info provided by Fimbria,
The Sex Discrimination (Gender Reassignment) Regulations are available on=
the Web:
<a href="http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1999/19991102.htm" target="_top" >http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1999/19991102.htm</a>
The case in the European Court of Justice on which they are based, P v S =
&
Cornwall County Council, Case C14/94 (1996) is not on the European Union'=
s
website, so don't waste time looking for it. =
In case anyone has access to a Law Library which holds European
materials, the print reports are at [1996] ECR (European Court of Justice=
Reports, issued by the EU) I, 2145; [1996] 2 Common Market Law Reports 24=
7;
and (possibly most likely to be available in the States, since it is issu=
ed
by CCH, a US-based publisher) [1996] European Community Cases 574. In all=
these reports the square brackets indicate that the year is part or all o=
f
the volume number. =
The case makes interesting reading, grounding EU
anti-discrimination law on the general natural right to equality & respec=
t
for dignity in order to construe sex discrimination as including
discrimination on grounds of transsexualism.
I think that more directly relevant to our problem is the decision of the=
European Court of Human Rights (which issued the decisions Festus referre=
d
to) in B v France in 1992, holding that France's rule that citizens must
have names reflecting their birth gender infringes the human right of
transsexuals to private & family life. This can be found (together with t=
he
rulings adverse to transsexuals referred to by Festus) at the European
Court of Human Rights Website
<a href="http://www.echr.coe.int/eng/judgments.htm" target="_top" >http://www.echr.coe.int/eng/judgments.htm</a>
where searching "transsexual" will bring up a list of all the cases.
Valete,
M. Mucius Scaevola Magister
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Ave Vado, Flamen Florialis! |
| From: |
| Date: |
Tue, 23 May 2000 20:09:29 +0100 |
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Salutem!
Scripsit M. Apollonius Formosanus:
> I congratulate you on your new flaminate. The election
> of a goddess of such charm and gentleness speaks well of
> your character,
- I think you mean by that, She chose me? It speaks more, I believe, of
Flora's well-developed sense of humour. I think the job will do me good.
(;-)
> and the properly provided for worship of the
> Goddess cannot but be a boon to the religious life of Nova
> Roma. She is associated with a festival of roses tomorrow,
> as I believe? (Perhaps I am misinformed?)
- You've got me there, mi Formosane: I wasn't aware that Flora has a direct,
theological connection
with the Rosalia - but then, of course, she WILL be connected with any
festival in which flowers are prominent. I shall look into that. Thank you.
Pace deorum,
Vado.
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| Subject: |
ATTN: EDICTUM Propraetoricium |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Tue, 23 May 2000 17:27:56 EDT |
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This an edictum propraetoricium
enacted by Marcus Marcius Rex, Propraetor Germaniae
I am happy to announce that Gaius Flavius Diocletianus is hereby appointed to
the position of Legatus Germaniae for the Germany region. It is also decreed
that for all official communication within the province of Germania the use
of German as an official language is hereby also allowed.
I myself will remain residing in the region of Austria.
Diocletianus has already shown a high degree of commitment to Nova Roma and
he will be entrusted with the development of the provincial Website. I have
high hopes for the future of our province and look forward to an interesting
working relationship with my legate!
Marcus Marcius Rex
Propraetor Germaniae
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