| Subject: |
[novaroma] Roman Virtues--To Vado |
| From: |
Lykaion1@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 May 2000 21:07:40 EDT |
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In a message dated 5/24/00 12:15:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
n_moravius@-------- writes:
<< Festus asked us which Roman virtue we felt we needed most to cultivate in
ourselves (though he neglected to mention any similar personal deficiency in
himself). >>
Come now Vado. While I did not yet state a ROMAN virtue I need to work on, I
DID mention my un-Roman fear of heights, and my admission to my captian that
I need to improve my personal courage.
That counts for something, does it not?
Festus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Roman Virtues--To Vado |
| From: |
Piscinus@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 May 2000 21:46:47 EDT |
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Salve Festus
Personal courage? Off to bootcamp at age 33? That takes some courage in
itself, and a great deal of confidence. It was difficult enough when at 19
in the Army. At 33 the Navy asked me to re-enter for a commission, but I had
to pass.
Bona fortuna
Piscinus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Festus' Virtue? |
| From: |
Lykaion1@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 00:30:39 EDT |
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Salve,
Last week, at the MVA where I work as a license test examiner, we had a
loathesome, spoiled punk of a boy take the driving test. I did not give him
the test. He failed at the first stop sign for not stopping in time. Now
this punk's father was a nasty, self-centered, putrescent, putrefactious
vermin...and he came inside complaining that it was OUR fault his little
botched-abortion failed the test, because our stop sign was too far back from
the cross walk! This dirt ball left threatening to sue and to write a
complaint letter.
Today, I saw two workmen moving the stop sign forward. Filled with
disgust that someone had given in to this sub-human who dares pollute the
world with unclean and unholy offspring, I sat down.
My immediate boss, the supervisor of the license section, came out and
asked, "So how do you like the new sign position?" I replied that the
wimpish moron who stupidly and cowardly gave in to the demands of such a pig
should be hung up by the scrotum.
My supervisor said, "Uh....it was my decision".
I need to improve on PRUDENTIA.
Gaius Lupinius Festus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] question and suggestion |
| From: |
"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielov@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 04:32:38 -0000 |
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Avete omnes.
Talking with another NR civis from the same city than me and with
another friend, discussing the fact that both of us do not belong to
any provincia here at NR (at least I think so), I was suggested to
petition to the senate to form a new provincia. I would like to
receive opinions, suggestions and comments on this. Thank you in
advance.
Curate ut valeatis.
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Festus' Virtue? |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 00:53:11 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salve, Citizens;
LOL!!!!!!!! Rolling on the Floor, and chuckling softly to myself all
P.M.
Anyone who can tell a story like that on himself, cannot be all bad
(Double Grin!!!!!). That is worse that the time I told an Admiral
(Medial Corps) that I ranked him in the command structure, and to stop
his complaining and follow my orders!!!!!
LOL all over again!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Valete, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] question and suggestion |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 24 May 2000 21:06:09 -0700 |
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I think its an excellent idea. Petition the Consuls since they might summon
the Senate soon...and ask them if your petition can be included. :) Hope
that helps.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus wrote:
> Avete omnes.
> Talking with another NR civis from the same city than me and with
> another friend, discussing the fact that both of us do not belong to
> any provincia here at NR (at least I think so), I was suggested to
> petition to the senate to form a new provincia. I would like to
> receive opinions, suggestions and comments on this. Thank you in
> advance.
> Curate ut valeatis.
>
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] *cringe* Gladiator |
| From: |
"StormWolf" <blakmice@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 02:46:35 -0000 |
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Hey... new here... I don't want to get booed out of here, but I'm curious
enough to risk it... what did you all think of Gladiator? It's sort of what
rekindled my interest in Rome... Anywho...
L Vatinius Maximus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Festus' virtue |
| From: |
Helena <oceanlilly@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 05:22:58 -0400 (EDT) |
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I thought this was a little too crude for the main list
but... personally... I like that father! ;)
-Helena
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Your Roman Name--The Owner's Manual |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 10:16:29 +0100 |
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Salvete
To be clarified about Roman names, simply go to:
http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/names3.html
I've built this page yesterday and it is likely to become the new one.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Your Roman Name--The Owner's Manual |
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exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 06:13:53 EDT |
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Just wanted to say I love the names site.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Your Roman Name--The Owner's Manual |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 11:08:33 +0100 |
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Salve
The new one or the old one?
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
-----Original Message-----
From: exitil@-------- <exitil@-------->
To: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
Date: Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Your Roman Name--The Owner's Manual
>Just wanted to say I love the names site.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Your Roman Name--The Owner's Manual |
| From: |
exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 06:28:06 EDT |
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In a message dated 5/25/00 5:25:08 AM Central Daylight Time,
amg@-------- writes:
> The new one or the old one?
The new one.
-Alex. Novius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] question and suggestion |
| From: |
"Guiboche" <guiboche@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 05:26:10 -0500 |
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25 May 2000
Salve
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
My name is Quintus Sertorius and I am also trying to from a provincia where
I live. Check out my plan for the organization of the Provincia(Canada
Occidentalis) I live in and tell me what you think. I hope this helps you
out.
Vale
Quintus Sertorius
Citizen
Nova Roma
This first part is a update on my activities to date, followed by my
Orignial plan for the Provincia I live in.
*Web Site for Canada Occidentalis
I will start by saying I am not web wizard but I am capable and willing to
learn. To this point I have made a temporary web site by downloading the
main Nova Roma page and modifying it to suite Canada Occidentalis. I plan on
moving from my present phone Internet connection to a much faster cable
connection. Once this is done I will be able to but up my temporary site.
All I need is the go ahead from the powers that control the main Nova Roma
web site. I have asked once before but did not receive an answer as yet.
This is only till I have a new page built for Canada Occidenatlis. This new
page will be made using Front Page Express, and will develop into a site
that will be a conduit for all individuals and institutions in Canada
Occidenatlis to reach the cultural roman world. I want as many people to
visit the Canada Occidenatlis as possible so I plan to have some interesting
draws set up on the site. The following is a list of what will be presented
on the site.
-Temple to Jupiter Optimus Maximus(containing a very large and interesting
section on ancient Rome).
-Links between the institutions in Canada Occidentalis and those of Nova
Roma.
-A forum for citizens of Canada Occidentalis to meeting and discuss issues
particular to our Provincia and issues dealing with Nova Roma.
-Maintain a list of citizens in Canada Occidentalis(following any privacy
laws in Nova Roma) and details such as interests, that the citizens of our
Provincia wish to share.
-Pages for each of the three regions of Canada Occidentalis.
-Page for establishment of new Legio.
-A links Page.
-Recruitment.
-Fundraising.
-Social Events.
-Advertisement.
-Ect.
*Temple to Jupiter Optimus Maximus
This undertaking has taught me so much about ancient Rome I have decided to
expand this Temple to become a gateway to a virtual reconstruction that will
include the following.
- The Great Buildings.
- Temples/Shrines/ect.
- Theaters.
- Gates/Walls.
- Bridges.
Roads
Insula
Baths
Tiber River
Forum
Arches
Columns
Warfs/Docks
Sanitation
The different City Sections
The Seven Hills of Rome
Lifestyles
Ect.
The Temple to Jupiter Optimus Maximus will include sections on of course the
Gods Jupiter Minerva and Juno, Triumphs, Art/ Architecture, Capitaline Hill,
the history of the Temple, and the large section on Ancient Rome which was
described above. The most important part of the Temple will of course the
Religio Romana and that part I have put the most thought. I have yet to come
up with the best formula for presenting the Temple but I feel I am close to
a breakthrough idea. I have gotten very good ideas from different members of
the Religio and I am hoping to get some more. I have been searching the
Internet to find as much information as possible on the Temple and I have
gotten together quiet a lot of information that I find fascinating. I will
continue to gather information.
*A Links Page
This links page will be the main conduit for information movement between
individuals and institutions in Canada Occidentalis and the Roman Cultural
World. At first I will move in my home region Agassiz which includes the
modern day Canadian Provinces of Manitoba and Saskatchewan. I plan to
compile a contact links list to include the following institutions.
Universities
Museums
High Schools
The Arts Community
The Military
The Police
The Three Forms of Government
Colleges
Fire Dept.
Clubs
The Ethnic Community
Shut Ins and the Disabled
Seniors
Ect.
Once I have complied a links list for Winnipeg(my home city) I will move on
to the next largest city in my region and so on till I have completed a
massive contact list for the entire region. Then on to the next region and
so on till the entire Provincia is completed. I believe that this contact
list will be a powerful weapon the use to further the interests of Canada
Occidenatlis and Nova Roma. I will be a very proactive citizen for Nova Roma
and ensure information is pushed in both directions.
*Recruitment
Once the Links List has been compiled I will make up an Approach Package for
Nova Roma and Canada Occidentalis and present the Organization and what we
have to offer to prospective citizens. I think that once it becomes known
what Nova Roma has to offer we will see a dramatic raise in applications for
citizenship here in Canada Occidentalis. My goals for actual numbers are
five prospective citizens for my Gens(which I already have) and ten for the
entire Provincia. Of which I know there is already one, I cannot obtain any
other names as I am not a Provincial Governor(this would help me
considerably). This goal I would like to see achieved by Jan 2001. I also
intend to operate the Provincia on a Jan to Jan schedule the same as
elections in Nova Roma. For the period of Jan 2001 to Jan 2002 I hope to
have twice the numbers of citizens stated above. The Approach Package I am
compiling will be as dynamic as my fertile imagination can make it. This
will be necessary in order to capture the minds of prospective citizens.
*Standing to of a new Legio
This project is a favorite one for me as I was a Infantry Sergent in the
Canadian Army for eight years. All the skills I learned there will greatly
help me in my organizational plans. I also have enjoyed a life long passion
for military history which fuels my desire to proceed in the Standing to of
a New Legio for Nova Roma in Canada Occidentalis. I already have many of my
former military buddies that are very keen on becoming part of the new
Legio. Most of them do not share the same feelings for Ancient Rome that I
do. They are in it for the Gladiatorial combats I plan to organize during
Fundraising Events and for the prospect of military conquest and plunder(I
haven't the heart to tell them we only plan to culturally save the world
with Roman Virtues). My plan is to proceed on a slow but steady course.
First once I have registered as a non-profit organization I will fundraise
in order to buy armor or to buy the tools in order to make our own armor(the
legionaries I have are not without metal and leatherworking skills as some
of them are trained Assault Pioneers). I will follow the uniform standards
sent to me and I hope to have one complete set by the Proivincia's Grand
Opening in Jan2001. For the period of Jan 2001 to Jan 2002 I plan to obtain
ten sets. I understand that this is a lofty goal but I do still have a few
aces up my sleeve! The goal is to send a contingent to a Nova Roma gathering
sometime in the period of Jan 2002 and Jan 2003. In the long term I intend
that each city in the Provincia will field a cohort contingent of at least
six legionaries till we have ten organized cohorts then we will have a firm
legion on the ground for Canada Occidenatlis. This should happen in the next
five years. This is possible I believe due to the extensive Canadian
Military contacts I have across Western Canada and the interest I have been
receiving.
*Fundraising
I am registering Canada Occidenatlis as a Non-profit organization and once
this is done I intend to apply for a Lotteries License in order to hold
fundraising events and to be able to accept tax deductible donations. Then I
will put together a proposal for Canada Occidentalis that will be used to
apply for government cultural grants and more importantly for Corporate
grants. I believe the demographic group that I will be reaching for Canada
Occdentalis and Nova Roma will be of interest to corporate entities that may
want to reach this same demographic, this I plan to exploit. So I will lobby
for Corporations to apply for our Canadian Corporate Tax Deductible
donations that are available here in Canada. I also plan to hold various
fundraising events such as Toga Parties where I plan to have Gladiatorial
combats as a draw. The fundraising is mainly for the Legio and
advertisement. The price for the space that will be used up on my Internet
server will be absorbed by myself. Till such time as the Provincia is on
firmer financial ground.
*Infrastructure for Canada Occidentatlis
The plan I have for the Infrastructure of Canada Occidentalis was explained
in an earlier email of I sent to all Senators. I will attach this same plan
at the end of this report. I would like it to be known that this plan is
necessary in order to be able to properly absorb the new citizens into
Canada Occidentalis and to ensure that both the citizen and Nova Roma
benefit the most from interaction. I truly believe that Canada Occidenatlis
will have a population of fifty citizens for the Period of Jan 2002 and Jan
2003 with many more serving in the Legio. These numbers are achievable with
the proper diligence and planing.
*The Grand opening of the Provincia of Canada Occidenatalis
All the above mentioned projects will take time to develop so I intend to
have them phased and phase one for all projects will completed by Jan 2001
which is when I plan to have a Grand Opening for the Provincia of Canada
Occidentalis(after the elections). At this time the entire completed and
tested site will be up and running ready for exploration. This site will be
approx. 20 megs of internals files not counting external links so it will be
large and I intend it to be an ants nest of surprises.
Attached below is my plan for the organization of Canada .
The Nova Roman province of Canada Occidentalis
Praetor: Vacant
Canada Occidentalis is one of the newest Provinciae of Nova Roma, each of
which will have its own governor, and will organize its own events and
activities. Canada Occidentalis is a small but growing Nova Roman community,
which will be held together largely thanks to our e-mail list. Our citizens
will be based all across the western part of Canada, and there is presently
one gens, the Sertoria.
For administrative purposes, the provincia of Canada Occidentalis is also
divided into three Regiones, each of which will be assigned a Legatus, who
deals with the day-to-day running of his or her Regio. Please see below for
information on each of the Regiones, including the responsiblities of the
Legati, and the precise geographical borders of each Regio. The details of
the administrative system by which the provincia is run may also be viewed
here.
Canada Occidentalis gentes
There is currently one gentes in the provincia of Canada Occidentalis:
-The gens Sertoria located in the city of Winnipeg in the present day
province of Manitoba. Paterfamilias Quintus Sertorius.
If there is a gens based in Canada Occidentalis which does not appear on
this list, please contact the Praetor, who will endeavour to put this right.
E-mailing list
The province of Canada Occidentalis will also have its own e-mail list, open
to all interested subscribers, which is intended to bring our community
closer together and also to act as a lower-traffic and more relevant
alternative to the main Nova Roman mailing list.
The Administration of Canada Occidentalis
The province of Canada Occidentalis is divided for administrative purposes
into three Regiones; Agassiz (Manitoba/Saskatchewan), Athabasca
(Alberta/Territories), and Columbia (British Columbia). A Legatus is
assigned to each Regio, and is responsible for the day-to-day running of
that Regio, whilst the Praetor oversees the administration of the province
as a whole. This report gives precise details of the administrative system
to be used in Canada Occidentalis, under three main headings:
1.Titles and areas of the Regiones and their Legati;
2.Administrative infrastructure; and
3.Duties and responsibilities of the Legati Canada Occdentalis.
I.Titles and areas of the Regiones and their Legati.
The Provincia of Canada Occidentalis is divided into Three subordinate
areas, known as 'Regiones' (singular = 'Regio'), or 'Regiones Canada
Occidentalis'. Each Regio shall be put under the supervision of a
magistrate, to be known as a 'Legatus' or 'Legatus Canada Occidentalis'
(plurals = 'Legati' and 'Legati Canada Occidentalis'). The titles of
individual Regiones and the Legati responsible for them, and the areas to be
included in each Regio, are as follows:
1. Canada Occidentalis Agassiz (Manitoba/saskatchewan), (Legatus Canada
Occidentalis Agassiz)
Area = equivalent to the modern provinces of Manitoba and Saskatchewan.
2. Canada Occidentalis Athabasca (Alberta/Territories), (Legatus Canada
Occidentalis Athabasca)
Area = equivalent to the modern province of Alberta and the Territories.
3. Canada Occidentalis Columbia (British Columbia), (Legatus Canada
Occidentalis Columbia)
Area = equivalent to the modern province of British Columbia.
II Administrative Infrastructure
1.The Legati Canada Occidentalis must provide the Praetor Canada
Occidentalis with details of their e-mail addresses, postal addresses and
telephone numbers. The Praetor will keep records of these details, and
ensure that all Legati know at all times the e-mail addresses, postal
addresses and telephone numbers of both the Praetor and the other British
Legati. The primary method of administrative communication will be via
e-mail, with overland post and telephones being used when e-mail is not
available.
2.The names of the Legati Canada Occidentalis shall be displayed, with their
positions, on the Canada Occidentalis web-page, with hot-links to their
e-mail addresses, and prospective citizens will be invited to contact the
Legatus for their Regio as a line of first enquiry. Separate pages for each
Regio will be added in due course, with content to be determined jointly by
the Praetor and the Legatus concerned. Legati are also encouraged as an
alternative to establish web-pages for their Regiones themselves, which will
then be linked from the Canada Occidentalis page.
3.Legati will be appointed by the Praetor Canada Occidentalis, and their
positions will be reaffirmed each year on the first of January by the
Praetor. When a legateship becomes open, the Praetor shall invite all
citizens in the relevant Regio to put themselves forward as candidates for
office. All citizens residing within that Regio shall be eligible to stand
for such office. Where more than one citizen puts themselves forward for
office, the choice of Legatus shall be at the Praetor's discretion, to be
determined by any means deemed appropriate.
4.The Praetor Canada Occidentalis shall at all times retain the right of
veto over all actions of the Legati.
5.All Legati shall retain the right to resign from their positions at any
time, without penalty, and without the need to provide a reason for their
resignation.
III Duties and responsibilities of the Legati Canada Occidentalis
1.The Legati Canada Occidentalis are asked to establish and maintain
personal contacts as far as is possible with the citizens resident in the
Regio for which they are responsible. The Legati shall act as a point of
first contact and enquiry for interested prospective citizens, and are asked
to offer advice to such prospective citizens concerning application for Nova
Roman citizenship, information, ect. The Legati shall also act as a point of
contact for existing citizens, to whom they are also asked to offer advice
relating to any aspect of Nova Roma to the best of their abilities.
2.The Legati are encouraged to correspond regularly with the Praetor Canada
Occidentalis, reporting new developments or events in their Regiones, and
asking advice where necessary. To ensure a minimum degree of communication,
Legati are required to present reports on their Regiones to the Praetor
twice yearly, on or near the 1st April and 1st October. These reports may be
brief, but should outline, to the best of the Legatus' knowledge, the
current population of his or her Regio, the events which have been held in
connection with Nova Roma during the past six months in his or her Regio,
and any further information which the Legatus may deem useful or necessary.
Failure to produce such reports within one month of the expected date,
without good reason or prior explanation may result in the dismissal of the
Legatus by the Praetor.
3.The Legati Canada Occidentalis are encouraged to participate in further
activities to promote Nova Roma, such as, but not restricted to, the
distribution of Nova Roman flyers, the hosting of social events or the
securing of advertising for Nova Roma.
4.The Legati Canada Occidentalis shall each have responsibility for the
day-to-day administration of the Regiones for which they are responsible,
but they shall remain at all times subordinate to and answerable to the
Praetor Canada Occidentalis. If at any time the Praetor has cause to believe
that an individual Legatus is failing to fulfill his or her duties to a
reasonable standard or indulging in activities which are illegal under
Canadian law, the Praetor should contact the Legatus to warn him or her of
the possible consequences of such action, and ask for an improvement in
standards. If no response is made to such communication in the space of a
month, or the Legatus fails to satisfy the Praetor's requirement over the
same time-scale, the Praetor may dismiss the Legatus, and arrange for the
appointment of a new Legatus in his or her place.
5.Should individual Legati consider it useful or necessary in the future,
they may recommend to the Praetor Canada Occidentalis that magistrates to be
know as 'Praefecti' (singular = 'Praefectus') should be appointed to
administer the Nova Roman populations of individual towns or areas. The
Legati may either recommend suitable candidates for these offices from
amongst all citizens resident in the relevant town or area, or may ask the
Praetor to invite offers of candidacy from amongst the same citizens. The
candidate chosen may then be appointed by the Praetor Canada Occidentalis.
Precise rules and recommendations concerning the office of Praefectus must
be formulated by the Praetor Canada Ocidentalis at some time before the
first Praefectus shall be appointed.
6.Candidates for the office of Legatus Canada Occidentalis should be aware
that participation in rites pertaining to the Religio Romana (the pagan
state religion of Nova Roma) may be required of them in the course of their
duties. Should such participation cause difficulties for prospective Legati,
they are advised not to apply for the post.
Nova Roman activities in Canada Occdentalis
Although Nova Roma is held together as an international community by the
Internet, we believe that it is also important to organize face-to-face
social gatherings at the local level, where members will be able to meet
each other, and share their enthusiasm for Roman culture.
These are some of ideas to further Nova Roman culture
-A visit to sites that have information on Roman culture
-Building of a Rome Temple
-Famliy Days
-Re-enactments
-Roman Games
-Debates
-Recruitment
-Fundrasing
-ect.
These are, of course, only ideas, and I am more than open to any suggestions
from fellow Nova Romans, or indeed from anywhere else. All Canadian Nova
Romans are heartily encouraged to put forward their own ideas, and indeed to
host events themselves.
Vale
Quintus Sertorius
Citizen
Nova Roma
----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Pompeius Octavianus <danielov@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 11:32 PM
Subject: [novaroma] question and suggestion
> Avete omnes.
> Talking with another NR civis from the same city than me and with
> another friend, discussing the fact that both of us do not belong to
> any provincia here at NR (at least I think so), I was suggested to
> petition to the senate to form a new provincia. I would like to
> receive opinions, suggestions and comments on this. Thank you in
> advance.
> Curate ut valeatis.
>
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
>
>
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Re: [novaroma] Your Roman Name--The Owner's Manual |
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"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 11:31:42 +0100 |
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Salvete
In fact I had a minor mistake on the page. My example presented the guy as
belonging to tribe Voltinia (in Rome) and living in Merida. I have corrected
this. The guy belongs now to tribe Lusitania, and lives in the city of
Merida (the capital of Lusitania) which is correct.
In Nova Roma things work a little different as only the 35 tribes of Rome
are currently considered, no matter where you live within the "Empire".
Valete
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[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem VIII Kalendas Iunii (May 25th) |
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"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 12:16:41 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes
This is a dies comitiales (C), when committees of citizens can
vote on political or criminal matters.
Today is the aniversary of the dedicatio of the temple of Fortuna Publica
Populi Romani consecrated as Primigenia, on the Quirinal Hill (where Fortuna
Publica has several temples).
I remind you that Maius is the month of the old and the dead. Maia, the
Lares and the Manes and their mother Mania (Mater Larum) are specially
honoured.
Pax Deorum vobiscum
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Re: [novaroma] *cringe* Gladiator |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 07:54:22 EDT |
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In a message dated 5/25/00 12:54:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
blakmice@-------- writes:
<< Hey... new here... I don't want to get booed out of here, but I'm curious
enough to risk it... what did you all think of Gladiator? It's sort of what
rekindled my interest in Rome... Anywho...
>>
Salve,
Not to worry... I believe that the majority of the folks here enjoyed the
film! They played with the history a good deal, and made some costuming
errors, but in essence they dealt very well with Rome as a "concept worth
fighting for" and treated the Religio Romana with respect even if they didn't
go into detail. For the most part we've been sitting around going "Wow! A
movie that was respectful of ancient Rome!"
Vale,
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RE: [novaroma] *cringe* Gladiator |
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"Scott Cozad" <scott@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 08:09:24 -0700 |
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I thought it was quite good. Any inaccuracies aside I think it portrayed a
very human character forced into very extraordrnary circumtances. I was
really moved by the end and I usually dont get moved by movies. I was quite
impressed.
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[novaroma] Romanitas, Acrophobia, and Balls |
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"Nicolaus Moravius" <n_moravius@--------> |
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Thu, 25 May 2000 05:58:00 PDT |
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Salutem!
Scripsit Festus:
>While I did not yet state a ROMAN virtue I need to work on, I DID mention
>my un-Roman fear of heights, and my admission to my >captian that I need to
>improve my personal courage.
Well, Festus, that's one thing we have in common… but I have to disagree
with your statement that the fear of heights is 'un-Roman'. Given the
frequency with which tenement blocks in Rome used to collapse, I'd say that
even the fear of tall buildings (without even having to be in one) is
extremely Roman. And extremely sensible :-)
>That counts for something, does it not?
It does indeed. For myself (and to try to match your candour) I will confess
not only to a fear of heights, but also to a morbid fear of all
employer-sponsored assault-course based 'team-' or 'confidence-building'
exercises involving rope, logs, mud, and shouting (mind you, hauling your
Boss up a 'Jacob's Ladder' by the seat of her parachute harness is a
wonderful, if temporary, equaliser).
Et scripsit iterum:
>I replied that the wimpish moron who stupidly and cowardly gave in to the
>demands of >such a pig should be hung up by the scrotum.
I'll say this for you, Feste, you've got more than your fair share of balls.
But maybe you should give the other people their balls back? :-)
>My supervisor said, "Uh....it was my decision".
>I need to improve on PRUDENTIA.
Me too.
Valete,
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Re: [novaroma] *cringe* Gladiator |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 14:10:22 +0100 |
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Salve
While playing with history, they have taken advantage of a few veridic
details. For example the fact that Emperor Commodus fought several times in
the arena.
The fact that the hero of the story is pagan and not christian is also a
novelty. I agree with Cassius that the Religio was treated with respect.
The film ends with Rome returning to the Republican system, which we know
not to have been true. In fact from those times onwards the power of the
Emperors tended to increase.
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Re: [novaroma] *cringe* Gladiator |
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| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 09:23:46 EDT |
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In a message dated 5/25/00 8:03:00 AM Central Daylight Time,
amg@-------- writes:
> While playing with history, they have taken advantage of a few veridic
> details. For example the fact that Emperor Commodus fought several times in
> the arena.
> The fact that the hero of the story is pagan and not christian is also a
> novelty. I agree with Cassius that the Religio was treated with respect.
Personally I thought they were almost trying to disguise Roman Religion.
Perhaps the reason for him talking about Mother and Father rather than a
specific god was something other than the fact that they prayed to their
ancestors? Perhaps they were attempting to disguise it as Catholic religion?
Its been a few weeks since I've seen the movie so the details are a little
fuzzy but I remember thinking this when I first heard him praying.
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Re: [novaroma] *cringe* Gladiator |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 14:38:48 +0100 |
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Salve
>Personally I thought they were almost trying to disguise Roman Religion.
>Perhaps the reason for him talking about Mother and Father rather than a
>specific god was something other than the fact that they prayed to their
>ancestors? Perhaps they were attempting to disguise it as Catholic
religion?
> Its been a few weeks since I've seen the movie so the details are a little
>fuzzy but I remember thinking this when I first heard him praying.
Good point! At a certain moment in the movie, I wondered if the guy was not
christian. But the fact that he has invoked the ancestors and that he kept
little statuettes of his family (maybe to invoke their protector Genii) led
me to the conclusion that he was in fact pagan. But you are right. They may
have disguised the Religio on purpose.
Vale
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Re: [novaroma] *cringe* Gladiator |
| From: |
Piscinus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 10:16:42 EDT |
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Salve Gryllus Graecus CV
A play with history: What struck me most was that the film was a remake
of The Fall of the Roman Empire in which at the end of the film, in the
background one may see the sale of the Imperium by the praetorians. Not
exactly historical there either. Then too in the new film Gladiator ties the
story back to its original inspiration in history, that of Quintilius Maximus
and his brother Condianus. I find the real life drama more interesting than
the film was able to portray. The earlier film is not particularly worth
seeing again, but I did find its implied theory, taken from Gibbon, that the
fall of the empire begins with Commodus. I might like to argue with that.
As for the portrayal of Maximus' religious beliefs I was pleasantly
surprised. I can not remember any film of the genre that did not turn it
into a propaganda film for the christists. As for exitil's comment on
Maximus' prayers to his parentes, scripsit: "Perhaps they were trying to
disguise it as Catholic religion." Obviously he is unfamiliar with
Catholicism. But the writers, or more probably their editors, were, it
seemed, uncomfortable in depicting any cultus. It would not have been proper
in the Antonnine period for Maximus to have had much devotion to the old
religio romanorum as the Imperial cult had more or less been substituted for
it. It was too early for the cult of the Sol invictus, and most likely,
considering where Maximus was stationed, he would best have been portray as a
Mithraist if anything. The historical research people probably had a hard
time explaining that to the writers, but at least they got over the point
that any scenes of Maximus praying to Iupiter Optimus Maximus would have
simply been inaccurate. Whether by accident or design what they settled on
only enhanced the character as being personally virtuous in a way appropriate
for a soldier in any age.
Vale
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Re: [novaroma] *cringe* Gladiator |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 15:48:41 +0100 |
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Salve Piscini et al
> As for the portrayal of Maximus' religious beliefs I was pleasantly
>surprised. I can not remember any film of the genre that did not turn it
>into a propaganda film for the christists. As for exitil's comment on
>Maximus' prayers to his parentes, scripsit: "Perhaps they were trying to
>disguise it as Catholic religion." Obviously he is unfamiliar with
>Catholicism. But the writers, or more probably their editors, were, it
>seemed, uncomfortable in depicting any cultus. It would not have been
proper
>in the Antonnine period for Maximus to have had much devotion to the old
>religio romanorum as the Imperial cult had more or less been substituted
for
>it.
Well... Some of the old Gods, specially Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, still
played an important role in the PUBLIC CULT. Nevertheless as you say, for
Maximus' private cult...
>It was too early for the cult of the Sol invictus, and most likely,
>considering where Maximus was stationed, he would best have been portray as
>a Mithraist if anything.
Exactly. Remember the scene where he was deleting his tatoo on his arm? His
friend asked if he was deleting the sign of his Gods. This sign could be
either:
a) The branded mark of his Legion (in this case the mark of the Genius of
the Legion)
b) A branded mark of the Mithraic cult.
Valete
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[novaroma] Fwd: On-line survey of classics resources |
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"Jane or Patricia " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 15:10:57 -0000 |
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The On-Line Survey of Audio-Visual Resources for Classics is now
accessible at
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Please consider putting a link to this site on your own Classics-
related website and feel free to forward this message to other
interested parties.
The On-Line Survey of Audio-Visual Resources for Classics offers a
complete list of known audio-visual materials available to teachers
of Classics for students of all ages.
Topics covered include Roman and Greek history, philosophy, religion,
mythology, culture, art, archaeology, language and literature in the
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influence and study in ages subsequent to antiquity.
Media include av websites, instructional cd-roms, cd-rom games, audio
cds, computer diskettes, laser/video discs, instructional videos,
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on audio cassette, filmstrips, slides, slide lectures,
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books, flashcards/reference cards, coloring books, board/parlor games
etc.
There is a separate section for Elementary and Middle School Teachers.
The On-Line Survey provides complete product information, prices from
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Re: [novaroma] *cringe* Gladiator |
| From: |
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| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 11:16:22 EDT |
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In a message dated 5/25/00 9:42:08 AM Central Daylight Time,
amg@-------- writes:
> Exactly. Remember the scene where he was deleting his tatoo on his arm? His
> friend asked if he was deleting the sign of his Gods. This sign could be
> either:
> a) The branded mark of his Legion (in this case the mark of the Genius of
> the Legion)
> b) A branded mark of the Mithraic cult.
The tattoo was "SPQR"
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Re: [novaroma] *cringe* Gladiator |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 16:33:23 +0100 |
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Salve
>The tattoo was "SPQR"
Oh! I did not notice it...
Vale
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Re: [novaroma] *cringe* Gladiator |
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Piscinus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 11:47:27 EDT |
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Would SPQR be inappropriate in this period? And your earlier suggestion,
that it was his legio, not likely. He, meaning the historical Quintillius
Maximus, was too high in status to have come up from the ranks and bear such
a brand.
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Re: [novaroma] *cringe* Gladiator |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 17:04:38 +0100 |
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Salve
>Would SPQR be inappropriate in this period?
Not at all... We were in Principate. The SPQR were still respected... In
theory at least...
But I have my doubts as to whether such a mark was used at all.
>And your earlier suggestion,
>that it was his legio, not likely. He, meaning the historical Quintillius
>Maximus, was too high in status to have come up from the ranks and bear
such
>a brand.
Oh, no. The following dinasty of Roman Emperors came from the lower ranks
(Septimius Severus) right? They were called the Soldier-Emperors isn't it
right?
Vale
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[novaroma] Re: The Roman virtues |
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"Cornelius Scriptor" <cornelius_scriptor@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 16:13:39 -0000 |
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Salvete,
A very refreshing subjet.
The personnal virtue I need to work on the most? Industria, without
any doubt. Not that I don't work enough, it's just that I need the
discipline to distribute my work time more "evently": I can sprend 4
days working 20 hours a day on a given project, than spend the next
day working on something totally irrelevent (last week I dated the
Deluge in the Greek, Biblical and Sumerian tradition), two days doing
absolutly nothing, than go back to my project (or at least one of
them...). Maybe a schedule is in order?
As to the public virtue NR should improve is Corcordia. With it,
discussions should go a little smoother.
(By the way, Ops is an old Roman goddess of prosperity, of course
related to agriculture, and got her festivals in August and December.
That why the Ops virtue is for prosperity.)
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Re: [novaroma] *cringe* Gladiator |
| From: |
Piscinus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 12:15:12 EDT |
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I think there may even be an earlier example of a soldier-emperor; I'm
checking my references. But then I was referring to Maximus as an historical
person and not as a fictional character.
Since we both seem to be on line at the moment, might I suggest we meet in
the forum. We could trade comments far sooner.
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[novaroma] De Opulentia |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <n_moravius@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 10:20:43 PDT |
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Salvete!
Sic Sarmaticvs:
>Here comes another question: what _public_ (not personal) virtues
>does NR (as a whole, as a nation) need now most of all, in your
>opinion? What must be improved first of all, what to work at or with?
>I suppose thet Pax, Justica "Justice", Concordia, Aequitas...
>All "political" ones.
>
>And Yes! Certainly Ops: "Wealth" !!! BTW what is this "Ops" at NR
>website? Is there such funny word in Latin? Perhaps a mistake?
No mistake, Aule Artori: As well as the god Ops, consort of Consus, father
of Ceres, Iuno and Vesta, the word 'Ops' means 'wealth' in the sense of
power, or strength of influence.
Personally though, I think that 'Opulentia' is closer to 'wealth'. But is
wealth a virtue? I suppose so, in the sense that a virtue is a power or a
strength. Some people regard wealth as a sign of divine favour (and thus of
virtue).
But what IS a nation's wealth? To me, it is ultimately found in a mation's
citizen-power and its natural resources. For NR at present, these two things
are the same thing. Our public, micronational 'Opulentia' is therefore to
be found in the virtues of our individual, private citizens. It is, as you
might say, a non-taxable form of wealth :-).
Mea sententia,
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Re: [novaroma] De Opulentia |
| From: |
Piscinus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 13:57:31 EDT |
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Salve Vado
Ops a god? And the consort of another god? Presently NR is struggling
with another issue and you wish to bring us into the question of state
recognized same sex marriages?
The goddess Ops I believe had Saturno as Her consort, while Consus was
later identified with Neptunus. And she would only be mother to Ceres if one
accepted the Greek mythos. The Italic mythos to which Ops more properly
belongs is quite different. She is not a goddess of wealth in the sense of
money, or even of the earth's produce of metal as a basis of pecuniary
wealth. She is more a goddess of abundanza. That could mean the abundance
of crops and animals produced on cultivated lands, but She is an older
goddess, and I would judge her abundance to be more basic than that. But I
would agree that people are also a product of the earth, that we are Her
children and therefor represent Her wealth in a very real sense. True wealth
is more of an abstract concept than money.
Recognizing that, Ops then is a virtue that should indeed become the
central virtue for NR to cultivate. NR should emphasize the development of
each of its citizens to full potential. Its practical focus should be
directed towards education and research, both for individuals and
collectively.
Vale
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[novaroma] Introduction to the Religio Romana |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 20:27:52 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes
For those interested, here is an online introduction to the Religio Romana.
I have doubts about some parts, but I think it is good in general, despite
being written by a Reverend.
http://members.aol.com/hlabadjr/RELIGIO.HTM
Valete
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Re: [novaroma] Gladiator |
| From: |
"StormWolf" <blakmice@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 25 May 2000 15:24:20 -0000 |
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That was the feeling I got... I figured the history was horribly inaccurate
as I'd never heard of an Emperor dying in the Arena... thanks =) One thing
about Crowe's character's worship that startled me, and I know this is from
a quasi biased perspective, was when he said something along the lines of
sacred Mother and Father... I know it was ancestor worship but (cause I'm
Wiccan... boo and hiss al you want, I ain't changin it =P hehe) it threw me
for a loop for a second... anywho... enough rambling... *sigh* I really
shouldn't get in front of my computer till I've had cafiene... sorry folks
=P
L Vatinius Maximus (and no that's not why I picked the name...)
>Not to worry... I believe that the majority of the folks here enjoyed the
>film! They played with the history a good deal, and made some costuming
>errors, but in essence they dealt very well with Rome as a "concept worth
>fighting for" and treated the Religio Romana with respect even if they
didn't
>go into detail. For the most part we've been sitting around going "Wow! A
>movie that was respectful of ancient Rome!"
>Vale,
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
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