| Subject: |
[novaroma] My Resignation |
| From: |
Helena <oceanlilly@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 May 2000 20:02:46 -0400 (EDT) |
|
This is extremely difficult for me to write and will come as
a shock to the friends I have made here in Nova Roma.
Soon to follow will be a statement of the same sort by Sulla.
I resign my citizenship in Nova Roma. I resign the office of
Propraetrix of California and Nevada. I resign the office of
Rogator.
There are several factors as to why I am resigning. Today
four members of the gens Cornelia decided to leave and form
their own plebian gens "Romula." I am now being told that
*I* am one reason they are switching gentes.-That I have
created tension in the gens Cornelia. I certainly have never
meant to do so within the gens. Sulla and I regarded all of
the gens fondly and it is truly heartbreaking to us that
they want to leave it. I believe that any bad feeling was
not intentional and was a result of the problems that can
happen via communication over the Internet.
I have also come to resent the amount of time I spend reading
NR email, pondering and deliberating my plans as Governor,
obsessing about and hating certain citizens. I am not doing things I want to do and did do prior to my time in NR. The amount of time both Sulla and I spend on NR has been putting
a strain on our relationship for some time. We both value
our relationship far more and it has gotten to the point
where it is going to have to be one or the other.
I am also very disturbed by how much the Religio has diminish
-ed since I joined a year ago. It is really only "barely there"
anymore. (My belief in the Gods has only grown in the past year
so it only hurts the more.)
I realize that I will lose the friends I have made here as
the friendship was most probably "conditional."
I will be closing down the CaliforniaProvincia list today.
If anyone wants to still keep in touch with me, please email
me privately but I do not want to discuss my resignation any
further.
-Greta Louisa Goring
______________________________________________
FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com
Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Old school buds here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/6/_/61050/_/959644968/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] My Resignation |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 May 2000 17:43:56 -0700 |
|
Salvete Omnes
I hereby tender my resignation of the office of Censor of Nova Roma. I
tender my resignation as Lictor of Nova Roma. I tender my resignation
as Senator of Nova Roma. I tender my resignation as Paterfamilias of
the Patrician Gens Cornelia. I hereby request that Cornelius Scriptor
be appointed as Paterfamilias of the Gens. I also tender my resignation
as citizen of Nova Roma.
Many times in the past I have tried to talk people out of resigning
their citizenship. Everytime that I have I have always stated that NR
is more than a game. That we are serious and dedictated. Well today I
have finally discovered that it is not true. We are a game. I have
wasted 2 years of my life in a game. Today almost half of my Gens has
decided to form their own gens. What use is it to be a paterfamilias
when whatever you say or do doenst make a difference. The reason for it
is simple. We are a game. If our citizens were truly dedicated and
truly Roman. They would not bail when there is a problem. In our own
"Real" Families we dont disown them and go to another when there are
problems. But here in Nova Roma that is exactly what we do. And for
once I can truly say I was not the reason for this to happen. What
cowards we have as citizens....what babies!!!! HOW UNROMAN. Well that
is it....I am truly disgusted. I will not be apart of an organization
that caters to these UNROMAN cowards.
Well I tried to do my best to help validiate and gain increased
credibility for Nova Roma. I have spent much of my freetime trying to
help NR trying to accomplish tasks that needed to be done. Even my
Edicta's that I drafted were for that purpose. Anyway, I am done. NR
is just a game and I am leaving. Its kinda sad, really, I finally made
peace with Lucius Equitius, even last nite spent hours on the phone
talking to him. I truly enjoyed talking to everyone on the phone.....I
think I have talked to the most citizens on the phone. Or having lunch
and meetings with citizens. But that is over. Nova Roma is just a
game. I feel I have wasted 2 years of my life on something that is just
a game. I feel disgusted.
What is amazing to me is that out of all of the crap I have gone through
in the past in Nova Roma, I have never seriously considered resigning.
Even when I was a pariah and punished by the Senate for lurking in the
Senate message board I never truly considered resigning. But, today is
different. Today I have learned that the people I truly cared for and
thought as thoroughly Roman, MY FAMILY. Are truly NOT Roman. That I
cannot stand for. They diminish the Roman Spirit, they diminish Roman
citizenship and they diminsh the concept of what it means to be a Roman
and to be apart of a Family. I will not associate myself with them and
with an organization that they demean to the point of a Game!
Many of you I will truly miss. I think that is about all I can say for
this.
Well at least I will have my time back to me. So I can spend it with
Greta. She and I met in Nova Roma. However, while I tried to help NR
become a functioning organization in the various offices I held, my time
with her diminished. Now I have the time back so I can spend with her.
Since NR is nothing more than a game.
Robert Woolwine
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Find long lost high school friends:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4056/6/_/61050/_/959647663/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] My Resignation |
| From: |
StarWreck@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 May 2000 20:50:11 EDT |
|
Salve Greta Louisa Goring,
It is always sad to loose a member of Nova Roma, even more so when one such
as you has taken time to help New Rome in such a profound way. It is not an
easy task to be a Propraetrix of any provincia.
I do not want you leaving Nova Roma with a sad heart. More importantly I do
not want you leaving Nova Roma because of a "limited" number of individuals.
Therefor, Helena I cordially invite you to join gens Titinia.
I know that my gens is located in the South East United States Province, and
that your current gens is in California. However, if I can, I want to
circumscribe you leaving Nova Roma. You will always be loved in gens
Titinia, and if you join I promise that you will never feel unwelcome.
Vale with good hopes,
Iulius Titinius Antonius
"Faber est suae quisque fortunae"
In a message dated 5/29/00 8:03:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
oceanlilly@-------- writes:
<< Today
four members of the gens Cornelia decided to leave and form
their own plebian gens "Romula." I am now being told that
*I* am one reason they are switching gentes.-That I have
created tension in the gens Cornelia. I certainly have never
meant to do so within the gens. >>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Missing old school friends? Find them here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4055/6/_/61050/_/959647825/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] My Resignation |
| From: |
StarWreck@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 May 2000 21:03:52 EDT |
|
Salve Sulla Maximus!
Yes, I outright call you Sulla the Greatest. Sulla, since I joined Nova Roma
just last December you have been my friend. Please do not leave Nova Roma,
you are the glue that holds us together. You are probably one of the
greatest citizens Nova Roma has ever had. Regardless of your decision, in
Nova Roma you will always be remembered for all ages. Just as Gaius Iulius
Caesar himself has been remembered for 2,000 years!
Sulla, I urge you with all my heart, I urge you with all my dreams for Nova
Roma, and I urge you as your friend to remain in Nova Roma. Please, Sulla,
do not let us down. YOU ARE LUCIUS CORNELIUS SULLA MAXIMUS. Nova Roma may
have turned its back on you, but for the love of the gods! Do not turn your
back on Nova Roma!
VALE IN PACE,
Iulius Titinius Antonius
"Faber est suae quisque fortunae"
- Each man is the architect of his own fortune!
In a message dated 5/29/00 8:48:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
alexious@-------- writes:
<< Salvete Omnes
I hereby tender my resignation of the office of Censor of Nova Roma. I
tender my resignation as Lictor of Nova Roma. I tender my resignation
as Senator of Nova Roma. I tender my resignation as Paterfamilias of
the Patrician Gens Cornelia. I hereby request that Cornelius Scriptor
be appointed as Paterfamilias of the Gens. I also tender my resignation
as citizen of Nova Roma.
Many times in the past I have tried to talk people out of resigning
their citizenship. Everytime that I have I have always stated that NR
is more than a game. That we are serious and dedictated. Well today I
have finally discovered that it is not true. We are a game. I have
wasted 2 years of my life in a game. Today almost half of my Gens has
decided to form their own gens. What use is it to be a paterfamilias
when whatever you say or do doenst make a difference. The reason for it
is simple. We are a game. If our citizens were truly dedicated and
truly Roman. They would not bail when there is a problem. In our own
"Real" Families we dont disown them and go to another when there are
problems. But here in Nova Roma that is exactly what we do. And for
once I can truly say I was not the reason for this to happen. What
cowards we have as citizens....what babies!!!! HOW UNROMAN. Well that
is it....I am truly disgusted. I will not be apart of an organization
that caters to these UNROMAN cowards.
Well I tried to do my best to help validiate and gain increased
credibility for Nova Roma. I have spent much of my freetime trying to
help NR trying to accomplish tasks that needed to be done. Even my
Edicta's that I drafted were for that purpose. Anyway, I am done. NR
is just a game and I am leaving. Its kinda sad, really, I finally made
peace with Lucius Equitius, even last nite spent hours on the phone
talking to him. I truly enjoyed talking to everyone on the phone.....I
think I have talked to the most citizens on the phone. Or having lunch
and meetings with citizens. But that is over. Nova Roma is just a
game. I feel I have wasted 2 years of my life on something that is just
a game. I feel disgusted.
What is amazing to me is that out of all of the crap I have gone through
in the past in Nova Roma, I have never seriously considered resigning.
Even when I was a pariah and punished by the Senate for lurking in the
Senate message board I never truly considered resigning. But, today is
different. Today I have learned that the people I truly cared for and
thought as thoroughly Roman, MY FAMILY. Are truly NOT Roman. That I
cannot stand for. They diminish the Roman Spirit, they diminish Roman
citizenship and they diminsh the concept of what it means to be a Roman
and to be apart of a Family. I will not associate myself with them and
with an organization that they demean to the point of a Game!
Many of you I will truly miss. I think that is about all I can say for
this.
Well at least I will have my time back to me. So I can spend it with
Greta. She and I met in Nova Roma. However, while I tried to help NR
become a functioning organization in the various offices I held, my time
with her diminished. Now I have the time back so I can spend with her.
Since NR is nothing more than a game.
Robert Woolwine
>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/6/_/61050/_/959648643/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] My Resignation |
| From: |
StarWreck@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 May 2000 21:12:14 EDT |
|
I have been unable to email Helena at "oceanlilly@--------", I keep getting
Mailor Daemon emails back. Because of this I cannot email her privately and
I'm not sure if she is still subscribed to the mail list. Does anyone know
another one of her emails?
Thanx
Titinius
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959649145/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] My Resignation |
| From: |
"StormWolf" <blakmice@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 May 2000 20:14:29 -0000 |
|
Ave Lucius Cornelius Sulla et Helena.
And I don't use the term lightly. I'm not a citizen of Nova Roma yet, as
my application is still pending. But I wanted to write to you on this. I've
not been in these circles long. It was only just recently that my passion
for Rome was rekindled, admittedly by a movie. But Nova Roma isn't a fan
club. It isn't a game. I've been in both. And I've also joined very REAL
pagan groups. And that's what Nova Roma is, and more so! I live in Austin
Texas and more specifically joined a particular group of pagans that was
recieving, and still occasionally recieves now, alot of flack because people
don't like us. Because they aren't happy with the way WE do things. But it's
yet to deter any of us. Because it's out PASSION! And when I found Nova
Roma, I felt that sort of passion! Many of my local brethren have taken alot
of naysaying and general crap in our comminuty, but they STUCK THROUGH IT!
We've had people leave that just weren't happy... but it never detered us!
Sulla, I'd yet to trully meet you, in person or even in firect email, but I
DON'T want to see you disheartened and brought down by those that couldn't
bring themselves to properly respect the IDEALS of Nova Roma! I sent in that
application with the sole intent and understanding that this was a lifetiem
commitment! This is a PASSION for me! Even if perhaps later in life my
interest in Rome fades to a lesser passion, I would hope to ALWAYS consider
myself a Nova Roma citizen. I can't offer advice, or a way to fix the
problem you've had with some of your gens... but I can say simply that this
ISN'T a game for me. And Nova Roma will ALWAYS have my support, no matter
the actions of individual members, I will ALWAYS be there for ANY of the
citizens should the need arise. Nova Roma is to me like my blood family, my
country and my Coven. I trully hope you change your mind... I would hope I
can call you my frater et soror.(latin's a tad rusty)
Vale bene (latin's still a bit rusty)
Lucius Vatinius Maximus
aka
StormWolf
aka
Jason Thompson
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Phone bills too big? Don't worry, beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4113/6/_/61050/_/959649737/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Greta's and Robert's Resignations |
| From: |
"Razenna " <razenna@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 01:23:24 -0000 |
|
If Greta, or Robert, want to be in contact, they will. I suggest
everybody just give them some space for the present. People who have
their more personal contact links will be using them. For now, give
them some space. Please.
C. Aelius Ericius.
--- In novaroma@--------, StarWreck@a... wrote:
> I have been unable to e-------- Helena at "oceanlilly@--------", I keep
getting
> Mailor Daemon emails back. Because of this I cannot email her
privately and
> I'm not sure if she is still subscribed to the mail list. Does
anyone know
> another one of her emails?
>
> Thanx
>
> Titinius
------------------------------------------------------------------------
$60 in FREE Long Distance! Click Here to join beMANY! today.
http://click.egroups.com/1/4126/6/_/61050/_/959649832/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] War elephants(was Theological Correctness) |
| From: |
"M G" <fresco@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 05:25:08 +0300 |
|
----- Original Message -----
From: <sfp55@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, 29 May, 2000 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] War elephants(was Theological Correctness)
> In a message dated 5/29/2000 11:34:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> StarWreck@-------- writes:
>
> << Asian Elephants were larger than African Elephants?
> >>
> The so-called Indian elephant was.
> QFM
>
The largest elephants of the historic times were and are African elephants.
(usually considered a single species, but recently considered by some
scholar as belonging to 2 almost different species, (or differentiating
now) one of the forest and one of the bush).
Historically, they have never been domesticated, (even if I must have read
about some modern experiments which demonstrated they could be)
The second in size (of the historic times) were and are the Asian or Indian
elephants
(Asian or Indian being synonymous for a single species which somebody calls
sometimes with a different name).
They still exist both wild and domesticated
The Punic elephants were the smallest. These north african Elephants were
smaller than Asian-Indian ones and of course much smaller than "African"
elephants of Africa south of the Sahara. They were north african
elephants, but not "African Elephants" .
They belonged to a different a species NOW EXTINCT.
I think it is called elephant of the ATLAS (from the Atlas mountains in
present Morocco -roman times Mauretania.)
VALETE
Marcus Prometheus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
Remember the good 'ol days
http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959653596/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Damascus Steel |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 May 2000 22:32:28 EDT |
|
Salve,
This archaeological site sounds interesting indeed! I wouldn't want to place
bets on it being anything but some sort of mill, but it's a mystery. If you
ever find more info please do post it.
Question... anyone else ever hear of Roman "archaeological puzzles"? There
was the find of an apparant Roman artifact in Mexico recently that was posted
here. It would be interesting to see other apparant anomalies from Roman
culture, which is one of the best "understood" ancient civilizations.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
In a message dated 5/29/00 4:49:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
cornelius_scriptor@-------- writes:
<< I don't know anything about Roman metallurgy, but the subject
of technology reminded me of an archaeological discovery in Tunisia a
few years ago.
In a small, mostly uninteresting site, was found an
artificial deviation of the local river ( a small river) that date
back in the Roman era. In this deviation, there was an unusual
structure that forced the water in funnel-shaped pipes. Inside theses
pipes there where indications on the presence of a mobile element.
It look exactly like a modern hydroelectric dam. It was very obvious
at first sight, and an indication confirmed what it was.
I'm not saying the Romans had discovered electricity. The
whole structure was connected with a building that is believed to be
a mills of some sort, but frankly, it's much too damaged (by
time,
not destruction) to tell. I didn't find the archaeological report
in
the archives, but next time I'm in Tunisia I'll find out
where the
archaeologist came from and ask them.
Cornelius Scriptor
>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/6/_/61050/_/959653952/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: My Resignation |
| From: |
"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielov@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 02:38:26 -0000 |
|
I write this message because your resignation is a surprise for me.
Unluckily, my lack of english vocabulary prevent me from expressing
in a better way. In over a month and half of being NR citizen, I
realized all the efforts and dedication you did to NR. So this
resignation surprised me, and makes me sad. I will miss you censor
Sulla. I wish you good luck, and also want to thank you for all the
help you gave me during this brief period of time. Good bye.
Curate ut valeatis. Pax vobiscum.
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus.
--- In novaroma@--------, Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@e...>
wrote:
> Salvete Omnes
>
> I hereby tender my resignation of the office of Censor of Nova
Roma. I
> tender my resignation as Lictor of Nova Roma. I tender my
resignation
> as Senator of Nova Roma. I tender my resignation as Paterfamilias
of
> the Patrician Gens Cornelia. I hereby request that Cornelius
Scriptor
> be appointed as Paterfamilias of the Gens. I also tender my
resignation
> as citizen of Nova Roma.
>
> Many times in the past I have tried to talk people out of resigning
> their citizenship. Everytime that I have I have always stated that
NR
> is more than a game. That we are serious and dedictated. Well
today I
> have finally discovered that it is not true. We are a game. I have
> wasted 2 years of my life in a game. Today almost half of my Gens
has
> decided to form their own gens. What use is it to be a
paterfamilias
> when whatever you say or do doenst make a difference. The reason
for it
> is simple. We are a game. If our citizens were truly dedicated and
> truly Roman. They would not bail when there is a problem. In our
own
> "Real" Families we dont disown them and go to another when there are
> problems. But here in Nova Roma that is exactly what we do. And
for
> once I can truly say I was not the reason for this to happen. What
> cowards we have as citizens....what babies!!!! HOW UNROMAN. Well
that
> is it....I am truly disgusted. I will not be apart of an
organization
> that caters to these UNROMAN cowards.
>
> Well I tried to do my best to help validiate and gain increased
> credibility for Nova Roma. I have spent much of my freetime trying
to
> help NR trying to accomplish tasks that needed to be done. Even my
> Edicta's that I drafted were for that purpose. Anyway, I am done.
NR
> is just a game and I am leaving. Its kinda sad, really, I finally
made
> peace with Lucius Equitius, even last nite spent hours on the phone
> talking to him. I truly enjoyed talking to everyone on the
phone.....I
> think I have talked to the most citizens on the phone. Or having
lunch
> and meetings with citizens. But that is over. Nova Roma is just a
> game. I feel I have wasted 2 years of my life on something that is
just
> a game. I feel disgusted.
>
> What is amazing to me is that out of all of the crap I have gone
through
> in the past in Nova Roma, I have never seriously considered
resigning.
> Even when I was a pariah and punished by the Senate for lurking in
the
> Senate message board I never truly considered resigning. But,
today is
> different. Today I have learned that the people I truly cared for
and
> thought as thoroughly Roman, MY FAMILY. Are truly NOT Roman. That
I
> cannot stand for. They diminish the Roman Spirit, they diminish
Roman
> citizenship and they diminsh the concept of what it means to be a
Roman
> and to be apart of a Family. I will not associate myself with them
and
> with an organization that they demean to the point of a Game!
>
> Many of you I will truly miss. I think that is about all I can say
for
> this.
>
> Well at least I will have my time back to me. So I can spend it
with
> Greta. She and I met in Nova Roma. However, while I tried to help
NR
> become a functioning organization in the various offices I held, my
time
> with her diminished. Now I have the time back so I can spend with
her.
> Since NR is nothing more than a game.
>
> Robert Woolwine
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
Remember the good 'ol days
http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959654388/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Statement to Civites Nova Roma from Pompeia |
| From: |
"susan brett" <scriba_forum@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 02:53:35 GMT |
|
Salvete Omnes:
I regret deeply that Lucius Cornelius Sulla and Helena Cornelia Ovidia
Equita have chosen to resign over a desire to form a new gens.
Since this issue has been brought to the main egroup list, I will issue a
statment.
I am one of the members of gens Cornelia who petitioned to form a new gens.
I generally don't discuss gens business on the main NR list, but in light of
the fact that Helena has brought this to the Forum, I feel that, to some
extent, I now have no choice.
I wrote a letter to Pater privately citing the fact that we would like to
form a new gens because there are some social and communication issues and
personality conflicts, some known to Pater already, that are giving the
four of us cause for concern. Ironically, one of these was the complete
absence of privacy in communications.
I was very kind in my words. I did not issue insults or name-call. I told
Pater that I held no malice against him and I thanked him for everything. I
also indicated that we wanted to do this as quietly and as virtuously as
possible. It is not totally unheard of in Nova Roma for new gentes to be
formed for one reason or another. There are many reasons for forming a new
gens.
Frankly, I didn't think it necessary to reveal gens business in the Forum.
I had asked the other members petitioning not to say anything about gens
difficulties to anyone, or our petition until it materialized.I see they
have not.
Pater posted me about 3 hours ago asking for a phone communication.
Unfortunately, I had a birthday party to go to...and it would seem, that he
has decided to follow in Helena's footsteps with a resignation. So I guess
that's out. This is NOT what I had intended to happen. I have a high, high
regard for Pater.
Even during the heated gender debate, I respected his position and hailed
him publicly for his work as censor, even when I didn't agree with the
edict. He was aware of my feelings and he respected them This says much
for his character as a Pater and a citizen.
Sometimes personality conflicts and irreconcillable difficulties are best
handled by keeping at arm's length, so to speak. This is what the four of us
thought when we conceptualized forming a new gens.
And now, I am afraid that when you look at Romula (as Helena has so
conveniently conveyed to you...again, lack of privacy...sorry), you will
think "Oh yeah, those wicked people who made Helena and Sulla resign".
Nope. I didn't promote this. I was as therapeutic as possible without
sacrificing honesty. It's not a crime for members to start their own gens,
any more than it is a crime to start a sodalitas...and it's not being
UnRoman to attempt to resolve conflicts in the best way you know how.
If you feel that I have acted out of turn, please let me have it with both
barrels. My actions were of the best intentions. I am sorry that this
issue had to be a factor of controversy in the forum. Again, this was most
sincerely not the intention.
Valete,
Pompeia
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
Remember the good 'ol days
http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959655216/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] My Resignation |
| From: |
dean6886@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 May 2000 22:07:13 -0500 (CDT) |
|
What a shame. I have seen most of our earliest citizens leave us
over personal difficulties with other cives since Nova Roma began its
journey.
In reflection, I would have to say that Nova Roma is certainly more
than a game. It's actually a concept of ideals that is struggling to
bring itself forward as something of material substance. Roman
civilization is the bedrock of all modern Western civilization and has
always been the focus of Western ideals as a continuation or altered
(sometimes vastly) revitalization of our society. We look at the fall of
the Western Roman empire to a continuation of the Eastern empire, then
the Holy Roman Empire, the terminology of Czar and Kaiser, the thought
of a new Roman empire emerging from fascist Italy from 1922 through the
end of WWII (but let's not get into that). Much of European history has
shown the aspirations of people trying to renew the unity and ideals of
a united western world.
Our aspirations here are social. We are the gathering point of
people who love those ideals that was the ancient Roman world and wish
to bring back some of that grandeur into the modern world. We wish to
see the virtues of the Roman world not forgotten in our modern public
and private lives. We wish to see the Religio Romana revitalized within
the modern world and blend in to our Western society with other major
religions. We wish to see a new culture based on the foundations of our
great forefathers come unto its own one day. We wish to change our world
into a better place.
Human nature in itself will never change. I refuse to let the petty
and basically insignificant conflicts of a few individuals who may now
or in the future have it in for me personally to stand in the way of
these greater goals/ideals. When encountering rules/laws I don't like
now or in the future I refuse to just up and leave but will stick it out
and try to influence change just as I might vote or go to a city council
meeting to express my dissent. If another citizen in the town I live in
has a dispute to settle with me and things turn ugly I probably wouldn't
up and leave town and leave friends and family behind. Why should anyone
leave here then over a few insults or anything short of imminent great
bodily harm? ( and please noone needs to answer that one).
With all this on my mind this evening I will state that I am here
for the long haul. My free time may sometimes in the future limit my
daily participation, but nevertheless I am still going to be here. It is
my sincerest wish that each of you stay for the long haul too. Nova Roma
is not a game, but a dream for something more than what is. Help make a
dream come true.
Vale,
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
Senator
Propreator of the Great Lakes Provincia
Lictor
Citizen
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959656034/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Connubial bliss and Nova Roma |
| From: |
"Jane or Patricia " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 03:09:03 -0000 |
|
I wish Sulla and Helena (or Robert and Greta, as I suppose we must
call them now) all happiness in their future life, and assure them
that should they renew their interest in Rome once the current
difficulties are ancient history, they will find a welcome here.
Speaking of couples enjoying happiness, it is my pleasure to report
that it is perfectly possible to enjoy a delightful relationship in
which both parties are active in Nova Roma.
For those who couldn't be at our wedding, or those who would like to
know more about Roman weddings, I have created and posted a Web site
at http://www.janeraeburn.com/wedding. I have also invited our new
Webmaster to copy this material onto the Nova Roma site.
Patricia Cassia
------------------------------------------------------------------------
CLICK HERE***SPECIAL OFFER***$60 in FREE calls
***SPECIAL OFFER***CLICK HERE
http://click.egroups.com/1/4127/6/_/61050/_/959656147/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] War elephants(was Theological Correctness) |
| From: |
dean6886@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 May 2000 22:29:33 -0500 (CDT) |
|
I never knew there had been an "Atlas elephant". Thanks for bringing
that up.
I just went down to the Milwaukee zoo a few days ago by chance and got a
couple of snapshots of African elephants.
Here's a question. What other types of animals were written about
from Roman antiquity that are now extinct? Severely endangered
especially around Rome or within Italy today?
Vale,
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959657374/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] looking for sewng information |
| From: |
asseri@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 May 2000 23:58:45 EDT |
|
Salve one and all!
Ahh spring has come and I am again sewing my summer array of proper Roman
garb. I am also very active in the local branch of the SCA. I have an Islamic
persona of the 9th century. I can tell you all about Islamic seam structure
and many of the embroidery stitches.
However I cannot tell you a darn thing about how Roman seams were
approached. Did they use a combination of stitches? In early Islam like today
they used a running stitch and then a French seam with a whip stitch on the
inside then chain stitch to decorate the seam on the outside of the garment.
Does anyone know? Does anyone have a clue where I might find out?
I have sewn garment by hand in the past and it can go quite quickly. It can
be fun too!
So any help will be appreciated
Vale
P. Anncinna Olivia
Shieka Aminah of the Middle Kingdom
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959659132/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Gens and resignations |
| From: |
Lykaion1@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 00:02:22 EDT |
|
RCW wrote:
"Nope. I didn't promote this. I was as therapeutic as possible without
sacrificing honesty. It's not a crime for members to start their own gens,
any more than it is a crime to start a sodalitas...and it's not being
UnRoman to attempt to resolve conflicts in the best way you know how."
This is exactly why Sulla resigned because a Gens is NOT a sodalitas. A Gens
is supposed to be a family.
Not a modern family where divorce is predominate, but a ROMAN family. We
should not bail out when there are problems, but solve them. As Romans we
have a duty to our Gens. To leave a Gens because of personal issues, such as
Drusus' pathetic puppy-love crush on an engaged woman whom he cannot have, is
unroman and shouldnt happen because that diminishes one of the main reasons
and objectives of what Nova Roma is trying to accomplish.
Do people have the legal right? Of course. But is it right?
At the end of day, what has happened sets a bad precedent. We can forget
about gens stability now. The Roman gens is now no more than a smaller rpg,
which can break up over anything.
Gaius Lupinius Festus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Old school buds here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4057/6/_/61050/_/959659347/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Gens and resignations |
| From: |
dean6886@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 May 2000 23:52:51 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Not to be confused with Gaius Drusus Domitianus who barely knew
Helena ( I believed I spoke to her once a long time ago.)
Honestly I don't think that last post was very nice or necessary. Does
it accomplish anything to say that someone here has lusted after someone
elses fiance? Is it yours or anyone elses' business to post something
like that to the main list founded or unfounded? I'm kind of upset that
someone would put this on our list.
Your point though is well taken. I've tended to think that an
actual gens should actually stay on a blood and family level with few
exceptions and emphasize different develeping sodalises. A family should
be just that--- a family and not acquaintances or casual friendships. I
think it a fault of sorts as to how Nova Roma is setting itself up at
this level. Adoptions should be far and few between if one holds this
line of thinking. Does anyone else think that the primary basic unit in
Nova Roma be that of the sodales? Is it really so bad if most of us had
different family names?
Gaius Drusus Domitianus
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959662373/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] June 10 Dinner in San Francisco |
| From: |
Razenna <razenna@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 May 2000 22:05:15 -0700 |
|
This is really addressed to the "Northern" Californians. Any of the
rest of you are welcome to come [grin], just let me know so I can make
the appropriate reservations. Honestly, I am likely to ignore ones
that I don't believe. So, if you are from far away and you want to
come, you will have to convince me. Large amounts of money as a token
of good faith will be convincing. [VBEG]
I have been trying to get this together for a while now. This has
been going on almost entirely through the California Provinica list.
Helena squelched the list when she quit and now I'm trying ot put the
pieces back together. So...
All of you folks who are planning on coming to the June 10 early
dinner / late lunch in San Francisco, please contact me.
Please Contact Me!
I want to do a solid count of who is in this thing.
Sure. I might not get a final count at this point. I want to make a
step towards it.
Also-- is 2:00 p.m. or 3:00 p.m. the more preferable?
I am waiting to hear from you.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
Remember the good 'ol days
http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959663116/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Gens and resignations |
| From: |
"susan brett" <scriba_forum@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 05:18:31 GMT |
|
Ahhhh Festus: Anything for a controversy.......anything?
You have cleverly gleaned some personal information regarding Drusus
Cornelius Claudius.
You proceed to assume and generalize that you have a complete and
comprehensive "scoop" on all the issues discussed today, and then some?
No, you are just dragging personal information into the forum, which,
frankly, I don't feel is any of your business.
In fact, none of this is really public business. The gens petition was an
internal affair that was brought out into the open, and initially not by me.
I believe my public statement explains that.
As I say, dear Festus, Anything for a controvery...absolutely positively
"anything"...at any cost...
One learns a good deal about a person by their posts.
Vale,
Pompeia
>From: Lykaion1@--------
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Gens and resignations
>Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 00:02:22 EDT
>
> RCW wrote:
>
>"Nope. I didn't promote this. I was as therapeutic as possible without
> sacrificing honesty. It's not a crime for members to start their own
>gens,
> any more than it is a crime to start a sodalitas...and it's not being
> UnRoman to attempt to resolve conflicts in the best way you know how."
>
>This is exactly why Sulla resigned because a Gens is NOT a sodalitas. A
>Gens
>is supposed to be a family.
>Not a modern family where divorce is predominate, but a ROMAN family. We
>should not bail out when there are problems, but solve them. As Romans we
>have a duty to our Gens. To leave a Gens because of personal issues, such
>as
>Drusus' pathetic puppy-love crush on an engaged woman whom he cannot have,
>is
>unroman and shouldnt happen because that diminishes one of the main reasons
>and objectives of what Nova Roma is trying to accomplish.
>
>Do people have the legal right? Of course. But is it right?
>
>At the end of day, what has happened sets a bad precedent. We can forget
>about gens stability now. The Roman gens is now no more than a smaller
>rpg,
>which can break up over anything.
>
>Gaius Lupinius Festus
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers.
http://click.egroups.com/1/4633/6/_/61050/_/959663911/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Gens and resignations |
| From: |
Lykaion1@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 01:27:31 EDT |
|
In a message dated 5/30/00 12:52:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dean6886@-------- writes:
<< I've tended to think that an
actual gens should actually stay on a blood and family level with few
exceptions and emphasize different develeping sodalises. A family should
be just that--- a family and not acquaintances or casual friendships. >>
Salve,
I tend now to agree with this, and am considering changing the Lupinii to
a "no new members" gens and leaving it to myself and the wife. But I don't
think it can be made policy for all. With limited family names, NR must
either eventually draw a line at new gens or allow the multiplication of gens
with awkward names {Lupinia Secundus anyone?} in which every boob who fills
out an application and does nothing more from then on has a gens name.
Since the gens issue is being discussed, {and I tend toward the view that
new gens should be limited} this leaves the situation of where newer citizens
can go. So NR will have to have gens that "adopt" new citizens. This is and
should continue to be left up to the paterfamilius or materfamilius. But as
for the Lupinii, I think now I would rather see it remain tiny than take in
new people of unknown stability.
GLF
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/6/_/61050/_/959664454/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Gens and resignations |
| From: |
Lykaion1@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 01:38:57 EDT |
|
In a message dated 5/30/00 1:18:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
scriba_forum@-------- writes:
<< You proceed to assume and generalize that you have a complete and
comprehensive "scoop" on all the issues discussed today, and then some?
No, you are just dragging personal information into the forum, which,
frankly, I don't feel is any of your business. >>
Sorry Pompeia, but when someone's problems help create a situation which has
an effect on others, it ceases to be merely personal. The reference to this
person was one sentence in the whole post. Normally, I would not care about
someones crushes. However, if they contribute to the breakup of a gens,
which sets a precedent for the rest of the citizenry, current and future,
then it is no longer just his problem, but an NR problem. Let me put it this
way: Suppose I had multiple personality disorder. That would be my own
problem, and my family's problem, correct? But suppose as a result of this
MPD, I and some followers began demanding thaty I be allowed 3 citizenships,
one for each personality, and the right to hold both consulships or
praetorships at the same time. It would no longer be my own problem, but an
NR problem. The same applies here. And now, as a result of this, we can
expect more of the same, now that the quick and easy "no fault divorce" has
been set in motion.
I am beginning to agree with Sulla. NR is looking more and more like a game.
I do not like that. But it is there, just the same.
GLF
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
Remember the good 'ol days
http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959665146/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Statement to Civites Nova Roma from the Senor Consul |
| From: |
sfp55@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 01:46:29 EDT |
|
Salvete Quirites!
I come before you with deep regret. Our Censor and friend L. Cornelius Sulla
has left Nova Roma. First let me say that Censor Caius Marius Merullus has
the office records in his possession, so no danger to the citizen rolls
exist.
Next I must say that Lucius Cornelius literally gave his life for Nova Roma
over the last two years. Agree or disagree with the man, you have to admit
he had zeal! There would be times I'd be coming in at 3:30 AM from a shoot,
and there would be Cornelius working hard on some aspect of NR. We'd talk on
AIM briefly while I checked my mail, then I'd sign off and he would still be
working. He made mistakes, lapses in judgments, sometimes spoke without
thinking, but he was human. And every time he made a mistake he tried to fix
it. Even if it was not fixable.
Lucius Cornelius loved Nova Roma. He felt like I, that it was an effort of
love, love for things Roman, love to be playing a large part in the revival,
and finally the love of being a part of history. Was he ambitious? Yes.
But he was going to succeed through hard work, not calling in favors. He
wanted to expand Nova Roma access. With the Vedian constitution it was. He
wanted to organize the Censor organization to increase efficiency. He did.
He was not a follower of the gods, but wanted the Religio to be an important
part of Nova Roma. He was always ready to protect Nova Roma from outside
interference. And no one could insult Nova Roma while in Cornelius presence.
Two things would upset him most. That people would take Nova Roma as a RPG
in aspect, that he loved his "family" and took that responsibility seriously,
and that the gens should stay together. Now he saw the gens is the building
block of Nova Roma allowing the new citizen to bind with his "family" while
he learns about Nova Roma. Cornelius loved his gens. There was nothing he
wouldn't talk about when we were together (we live close by) but how to
improve his gens, if we were not talking about official business. At the
last meeting of South California he had most of his gens clustered about him
while I was taking pictures of them. Yes, I believe he was happy that day.
We will miss Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix. However after his surgery and
once he mobile again, he may decide to rejoin us. I do not know what the
future lies for he and Cornelia, but I hope it is good things. Farewell!
As for the gens. If you citizens join a gens, make sure you will be
committed to that gens. Otherwise we will continue to have problems like we
had today. Disruptions like this one simply squanders energy, energy that
would be better served making Nova Roma just that little bit better. It is
in all your hands...
Don't fail Nova Roma.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/6/_/61050/_/959665598/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] June 10 Dinner in San Francisco |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 01:52:36 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salve, Senator Ericius;
No, you do not have to worry about my "crashing" the party!!!(Grin) As
you say I am far away and I will not be sending you or anyone else "Vast
amounts of money." (Grin again!!!)
However, I did want to thank you for picking up so quickly on our recent
disappointment, and beginning to organize some sort of get-together for
your Provincia. My thanks to you sir, for your stepping into the breach
as it were, and helping to heal the wound.
You have my best wishes for your efforts and the appreciation of this
Consul;
Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/6/_/61050/_/959665958/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Fwd: Re: [SenatusRomanus] Sulla's Resignation |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 01:57:33 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salvete, Citizens of Nova Roma;
I pass this message to you with a saddened heart.
Valete, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Buy Long Distance with your GROUP and SAVE!!!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4123/6/_/61050/_/959666255/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Statement to Civites Nova Roma from the Senor Consul |
| From: |
Lykaion1@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 02:02:24 EDT |
|
In a message dated 5/30/00 1:47:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sfp55@--------
writes:
<< However after his surgery and
once he mobile again, he may decide to rejoin us. >>
I do hope this is the case. When Draco resigned I asked for a 24 hour delay
in accepting the resignation. I would now like to make the same request
regarding Sulla, and hope that a 24 hour cooling off period might help change
his mind. And I also ask for a 24 hour waiting period before Scriptor
becomes paterfamilias {Sorry Scriptor, no offense intended here}
Festus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
Remember the good 'ol days
http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959666552/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] June 10 Dinner in San Francisco |
| From: |
Razenna <razenna@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 29 May 2000 23:17:50 -0700 |
|
Salve M. Minucius Audens Consul.
Neither you nor your colleague would need to worry about being
crashers, not send good faith money (the dinner will be funded in the
Batavian manner however [e.g. "Dutch"] ). I would like to take this
chance to say that Nova Romans who come may feel free to bring any
non-citizen friends who they wish to have as personal company.
Especially if they are traveling a long ways.
Valete omnes.
C. Aelius Ericius.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959667590/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Gens |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 02:44:52 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salvete, Citizens;
While I have no dsagreement with the words of those who have commented
regarding the Gens in Nova Roma, I do have a cautonary comment and some
questions.
It relates back to an event that occurred some time ago whan I realized
that as a Paterfamilias, I really was not doing my job. Why? Well
because I am not really sure what my job is! I am a student of Roman
Culture, and have always said that since my comig here, but I am a
Paterfamilas because I chose to be, rather than be adopted by a Gens who
very kindly offered such at the beginning of my tenure in NR. I did not
accept that adoption offer because I hold the name of a Roman of the
Legions, and I wanted to see if I could bring that name, and that Gens
back to life. In this effort think I have succeeded in some small way,
at least partially, in that several times a week the name of the
long-ago Roman Soldier now spans the continents of the world
electronically. The Gens has been raised to Patrician, most generously,
and one of the Gens now holds the honors of the Magistry of New Rome,
but what have I done for those in my Gens? What are the duties of the
Pater to his children? What needs do his children have that they
recognize that he may tender to thier relief. My good friend Pontiff
Graecus has assured me that the College of Pontiffs is looking into a
set of responsibilities as it were, but I assume that effort is still
some ways in the future.
So what of now? Apparently you gentlemen who speak so eloquently of the
Gens and the duties of the Pater / Materfamilias are secure in the
answers to my questions. My question is what are they? To what extent
does a new member to NR joining, because he or she wishes to know more
about Roman Culture, know of the tight family bond whereof you speak?
Where do they get the information? Where do they find out thier
responsibilities to the Gens, oter than to have a stranger (me) tell
them in an unsupported dialougue. All of you have seen how well this
approach has worked in NR in the past!!! I have two members of my Gens
who do not speak English, live overseas and to whom anything that I say
must be translated through a gentleman belongng to a different Gens. I
do not say that is wrong, but rather what do they expect of me and what
should I expect of them?
I do not bring these things up to disagree, or to argue the point of
Gens importance with you as I agree that it is important. However, I
cannot see how close bonds of relationship, such as those that you imply
in your Onelist discussions, can be immediately tied in a short space of
time, without a face-to-face relationship, and in a different culture,
and language. To be sure, over time such is possible. That part of my
life spent in forign nations to the US, I have made good and true
friends, friends with whom I still correspond, but that effort took
years, and not weeks to build.
So in closing I ask that outside of welcoming new Gens members warmly,
Answering thier concerns / questions about NR, encouraging them in
thier efforts and listening to thier comments, concerns, questions and
successes what I am I failing at?? If the newest member of my Gens
decided to join the Gens of his wife, for instance, because they think
that would enrich thier lives, this man and wife, am I the Paterfamilias
of this Gentleman, to stand in his way to such , as a person who has
exchanged one E-Mail message wth him. I cannot see that as my task and
responsibility.
Therefore my friends, I ask for your suggestions, comments, guidance and
references so that I may attain the surity of foot and the determination
of right that you have already gained in your Nova Roma experience.
I thank you for your kind attention to my questions and to my concerns,
for I suspect that they are not only mine alone, but rather the concerns
and questions of many who have such responsibilites in NR.
Salvete, Very Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Paterfamilias of the Gens Minucia
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/6/_/61050/_/959669093/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Roman Discoveries at Maryport |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <n_moravius@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 00:51:18 PDT |
|
Salvete!
BBC Radio 4 News at 7.00 a.m. this morning gave a frustratingly brief
report on excavations at Maryport, Cumbria, UK, of a 40-acre Roman military
depot site at the southwestern extremity of Hadrian's Wall.
Initial thoughts are that it may have been a major supply base, comprising
chiefly granaries. Nothing as yet on the BBC History or News websites that I
could see. Has anyone more details, please?
Valete,
Vado.
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/6/_/61050/_/959673079/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Resignation of Sulla and Helena: statement of Antonius Gryllus Graecus |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 10:46:36 +0100 |
|
Salvete omnes
I'm very sad with the resignation of Sulla and Helena. But I understand
their reasons, which I think have nothing to do with Nova Roma Herself. I
ask the Gods to guide them wisely.
I also wanted to say that Nova Roma is not a game. There are people here
that treat Nova Roma as a game. But I know, I'm sure that many more people
think Nova Roma as a serious thing.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla is the very example of that. He has devoted so much
time and effort to Nova Roma. Now he needs to devote time and effort to
himself. He deserves that. And Roma surely understands it.
I take this opportunity to state that Nova Roma is the continuation of
ancient Roma. This is not an act of faith... This is a fact. Why?
- Aren't we ressurrecting the name and the institutions of Roma?
- Don't we take the ancient Romans as our ancestors and honour them as our
Manes and preserve their memory?
- Don't we pay homage and sacrifice to the Gods of Rome?
These things are enough to make us Romans. The blood was not important for
the Romans. An adopted person was just the same as a true son or daughter.
The duty of the adopted was to take the deities of the new paterfamilias as
his the new patron deities. And this we have already done. The patron
deities of Nova Roma are those of ancient Roma.We are the children of Roma.
The Religio Romana in Nova Roma is more alive now than ever! This is also a
fact. Those who have been with us for more than 6 months know it for sure.
Don't let the heart of Roma stop.
Ave Roma!
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex, Senator, Praetor, Propraetor Lusitaniae
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959679699/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Apology to NR |
| From: |
RCW <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 02:58:17 -0700 |
|
Salvete Omnes...
I want to apologize to everyone for my resignation outburst. At the
time I posted my resignation there were various issues that I was trying
to deal with. The issues I was trying to deal with were all intergens
related. I was shocked to say the least. I have one of the largest
Gens in Nova Roma. I felt that I took special care of my Gens members
by dealing with them both individual and as a community outside of Nova
Roma. Even when we all gathered at the meeting in April I was so very
proud that I had half of my Gens in one room. And today, that picture
of pride laid shattered in my e-mail and I didnt know what happened or
even how to fix it. The way I reacted was total emotion and no rational
explanation can be said. I just want to say I am sorry to everyone in
Nova Roma when I said NR is just a game. At the time, with the limited
facts that I had at hand, it seemed very much like that. Again I deeply
apologize to you, citizens of Nova Roma.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959681112/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Apology to NR |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 03:11:25 -0700 |
|
RCW wrote:
> Salvete Omnes...
>
> I want to apologize to everyone for my resignation outburst. At the
> time I posted my resignation there were various issues that I was trying
> to deal with. The issues I was trying to deal with were all intergens
> related. I was shocked to say the least. I have one of the largest
> Gens in Nova Roma. I felt that I took special care of my Gens members
> by dealing with them both individual and as a community outside of Nova
> Roma. Even when we all gathered at the meeting in April I was so very
> proud that I had half of my Gens in one room. And today, that picture
> of pride laid shattered in my e-mail and I didnt know what happened or
> even how to fix it. The way I reacted was total emotion and no rational
> explanation can be said. I just want to say I am sorry to everyone in
> Nova Roma when I said NR is just a game. At the time, with the limited
> facts that I had at hand, it seemed very much like that. Again I deeply
> apologize to you, citizens of Nova Roma.
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla
PS. I do apologize again, but I forgot to include the portion that I
rescind my resignation and offices if Nova Roma will have me back.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/6/_/61050/_/959681909/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] To Pater from Pompeia |
| From: |
"susan brett" <scriba_forum@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 10:54:03 GMT |
|
Salve Pater:
As I told you privately, and I will say now in public, I am truly sorry for
hurting your feelings so badly. It was not the intent;, I underestimated
how deeply devoted you are to Cornelia. I honestly didn't think the new
gens consideration would affect you so strongly.
Again, I am really sorry.
And I am so, so happy you are not resigning. And I am glad you and I talked
tonight privately and cleared the air about some crutial things.
Please accept my apologies. I really am touched by your caring. I really
care about you too; I never want to hurt you to this extent again.
As I've said many times...you have been a wonderful Pater, and you are a
great cive and Magistrate.
Buona Fortuna Perpetua,
Pompeia Cornelia
>From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Apology to NR
>Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 03:11:25 -0700
>
>
>RCW wrote:
>
> > Salvete Omnes...
> >
> > I want to apologize to everyone for my resignation outburst. At the
> > time I posted my resignation there were various issues that I was trying
> > to deal with. The issues I was trying to deal with were all intergens
> > related. I was shocked to say the least. I have one of the largest
> > Gens in Nova Roma. I felt that I took special care of my Gens members
> > by dealing with them both individual and as a community outside of Nova
> > Roma. Even when we all gathered at the meeting in April I was so very
> > proud that I had half of my Gens in one room. And today, that picture
> > of pride laid shattered in my e-mail and I didnt know what happened or
> > even how to fix it. The way I reacted was total emotion and no rational
> > explanation can be said. I just want to say I am sorry to everyone in
> > Nova Roma when I said NR is just a game. At the time, with the limited
> > facts that I had at hand, it seemed very much like that. Again I deeply
> > apologize to you, citizens of Nova Roma.
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla
>
>PS. I do apologize again, but I forgot to include the portion that I
>rescind my resignation and offices if Nova Roma will have me back.
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla
>
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Missing old school friends? Find them here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4055/6/_/61050/_/959684044/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem III Kalendas Iunii (May 30th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 12:18:07 +0100 |
|
Salvete omnes
This is a dies comitiales (C), when committees of citizens can vote on
political or criminal matters.
This is the third and last day of the feast of Dea Dia. A banquet similar to
that of the first day (see May 27th) takes place. After the banquet, torches
are lit. By touching the pots (tuscanicae) of food with the torches, these
are profanated and made proper for human use. These pots are then carried to
the homes of the Arval Brothers by attendants.
Pax Deorum vobiscum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
Remember the good 'ol days
http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959685197/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] A Paterfamilias' thoughts about Gentes... |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 08:04:26 EDT |
|
Salvete Omnes,
Roman Gens are not my specific area of study. Even so, I hope I have some
basic facts correct when I say that the ancient Romans treated "family" a bit
differently than we do today.
Adoption between gens was common, to secure that a family name would continue
if someone had no heir. In that regard at least blood was not the telling
factor. Also, people married (and got divorced!) between Gentes all the time,
thereby creating and breaking up family alliances with great speed.
I'm unsure about people *leaving* an ancient Roman gens to form their own,
but it must have been done. There were HOW many thousands of Gentes in
ancient Rome?
As a Paterfamilias with some non-blood people in the Gens, I must say that
the Gens does provide a sort of bond which is stronger the usual friendship.
If a personal problem were to arise in the Gens I'd certainly want to work it
out. However, if such problems could NOT be worked out, it would seem a
sounder course to let Gens members leave and form their own Gens than create
a hurtful "family feud" that was never ending. I'd try to keep some bond with
the new Gens... an inter-family alliance if such were possible. That way both
parties could still benefit even if they couldn't "live" together.
At this time I would like to publicly declare that Gens Cassia will remain an
"open" Gens. New people are still welcome should they wish to join us. The
reverse of this is also true... if anyone should feel some pressing reason to
leave they can do so with the blessings of the Gods. Hopefully new families
formed could remain friends and allies. People wishing to do *either* may
email myself, or the Materfamilias of the Gens, Patricia Cassia.
Perhaps Gens Policy of this type needs to be included in the Album Gentium?
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Paterfamilias, Gens Cassia
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Was the salesman clueless? Productopia has the answers.
http://click.egroups.com/1/4633/6/_/61050/_/959688274/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 877 |
| From: |
"L=?ISO-8859-1?B?7Q==?=s Shokatsu" <ljes@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 07:55:08 -0700 |
|
Salvete Omnes!
Were there any posts yesterday? (Sunday) I think I am missing out on some
messages and am finding it difficult to follow some threads. I also cannot
find my own post made Saturday.
However, I did receive the posts regarding the recent resignations. As I am
new to this list and have a membership pending, I am a l little unsettled by
all the recent messages.
I am enthralled with Roman HIstory and Religion, and was thrilled to
discover NR. But I am wondering if I can possibly even hope to live up to
the expectations here. I believe that the Romans were not Gods, and they
were not infallible, as am I. As are we all.
There are also Romans who were the most (in?)famous back -stabbing murderous
bastards of history. And when things didn't bode well for many Roman
leaders, they committed suicide. They were human. As am I. As are not we all
here?
Is there nothing set up within NR to handle disputes? is there no council
on such matters? Are the Romans perceived as infallible beings here? If such
a minor matter (from a political perspective) brings about the resignations
of such committed members, what is the future of this group as micronation?
Valete
Tertia Albia Caesia
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws.
http://click.egroups.com/1/4634/6/_/61050/_/959698135/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 877 |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 16:07:00 +0100 |
|
Salve Tertia Albia Caesia
You say well. Just like the Romans we are human beings and we have disputes.
>Is there nothing set up within NR to handle disputes? is there no council
on such matters?
Is there any council in our modern countries able to handle PERSONAL
disputes? I guess that in Nova Roma, people must solve their PERSONAL
problems alone or with the help of friends, just as in ancient Rome or any
other civilisation ancient or modern.
>Are the Romans perceived as infallible beings here?
No. Do you perceive them as infalible as to consider their disputes
abnormal?
>If such a minor matter (from a political perspective) brings about the
resignations
>of such committed members, what is the future of this group as micronation?
The future is inside each one of us and the way we deal with life. Nova Roma
is just like any other nation. The only difference is that our current
"virtual" basis make easier for citizens to leave. If citizens earned their
salaries from Nova Roma, or if the Praetors had the power to arrest people,
I'm sure they would think twice before making a mistake.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959698997/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Apology to NR |
| From: |
"George VanDeWater" <vandewge@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 09:03:32 -0600 |
|
Salve Lucius,
Gens Africania Secunda thanks the Gods that you have had a change of heart and welcomes you back into the family of Nova Roma. As the Paterfamilia, I speak to the Senate and people of NR to accept Censon Lucius Sulla and his dear wife Helena back. We also ask that he continue in his former appointments.
Vale,
Gaius Africanus Secundus Germanicus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Missing old school friends? Find them here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4055/6/_/61050/_/959699018/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Apology to NR |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 11:28:02 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salvete, Lucius Cornelia Sulla Felix, Conscript Fathers and Citizens of
Nova Roma;
Welcome back to NR!! I should have missed our sparring behind the
scenes, your help with my computer problems, and our different views on
the way of the world.
I think that I can understand your great disappointment of the last few
hours, but it should strengthen you to know that there has been a
significant outpouring in your favor during that time. Consider those
compliments and consider those good people who obviously want you and
need you to return.
Bind up your wounds, and rejoin us. You have worked hard for NR and you
deserve her consideration for an error. I welcome you back personnally,
Sulla and I appeal to the Honored Conscript Fathers as the Junior Consul
to consider this man's request to return to his home and his duties in a
positive and gentle way.
Valete, Very Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
Remember the good 'ol days
http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959700651/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] The Gens Cornelia |
| From: |
"Cornelius Scriptor" <cornelius_scriptor@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 15:45:58 -0000 |
|
Official annoncement
I, Marcus Cornelius Scriptor, accept the honor and the responsibility
of becoming the new Paterfamilias of the gens Cornelia.
Sulla and Helena are going to be sadly missed. He always been there
for his family, as much as for Nova Roma. But now, as a well known
Roman hero, he choose to put down his sword go back home and take
care of his own's garden. I'm sure he'll be back in time, but now he
need to get away, to be free again. We must respect that.
The activities of the gens Cornelia will resume shortly. I'll reset
the mailing list later today. Right now I need every members of the
gens to contact me as soon as possible.
Long live Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, long live the Gens Cornelia.
Marcus Cornelius Scriptor,
Paterfamilias of the patrician gens Cornelia
Pontifex
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959701570/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Apology to NR |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <rmerullo@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 12:09:19 -0400 |
|
Salvete Censor Luci Corneli et alii
You didn't actually think that I was going to accept your resignation, did
you?
I don't think that any censor will ever agree to strike his/her colleague
from the rolls, without a credible threat of lethal force :).
I am extremely relieved that you have re-considered your resignation.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
Censor Suffectus
>> Salvete Omnes...
>>
>> I want to apologize to everyone for my resignation outburst. At the
>> time I posted my resignation there were various issues that I was trying
>> to deal with. The issues I was trying to deal with were all intergens
>> related. I was shocked to say the least. I have one of the largest
>> Gens in Nova Roma. I felt that I took special care of my Gens members
>> by dealing with them both individual and as a community outside of Nova
>> Roma. Even when we all gathered at the meeting in April I was so very
>> proud that I had half of my Gens in one room. And today, that picture
>> of pride laid shattered in my e-mail and I didnt know what happened or
>> even how to fix it. The way I reacted was total emotion and no rational
>> explanation can be said. I just want to say I am sorry to everyone in
>> Nova Roma when I said NR is just a game. At the time, with the limited
>> facts that I had at hand, it seemed very much like that. Again I deeply
>> apologize to you, citizens of Nova Roma.
>>
>> Lucius Cornelius Sulla
>
>PS. I do apologize again, but I forgot to include the portion that I
>rescind my resignation and offices if Nova Roma will have me back.
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
>http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/6/_/61050/_/959681909/
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959703047/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 877 |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 12:22:20 EDT |
|
In a message dated 5/30/00 7:50:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
ljes@-------- writes:
<< Is there nothing set up within NR to handle disputes? is there no council
on such matters? Are the Romans perceived as infallible beings here? If such
a minor matter (from a political perspective) brings about the resignations
of such committed members, what is the future of this group as micronation?
>>
Salvete,
I understand that your being on Digest for the list makes this sort of
situation look even more confusing than it already is, but do rest assured
that many people have been working to clear things up.
There ARE some systems for handling this sort of thing in Nova Roma. Most
important among them is the fact that no resignation becomes official for ten
full days. We've found out from past experience how important cooling off and
healing time can be for folks.
The essence of this particular matter had to do with personal friendship -
Gens issues are at times more difficult than political ones. People choose
Citizenship through an interest in Rome, but Gens membership is dictated
mostly by friendship. When someone wants to leave a Gens it's all too easy to
misconstrue that as a loss of friendship... even if the person wishing to
form their own Gens or whatever doesn't intend that in the least.
We are only on day two of the ten day waiting period before any of this
becomes an "official" situation. Even now people are communicating more
amiably and sorting things out. Whatever is decided, Nova Roma will continue,
and all Gens will learn something from this situation so that it's not likely
to be repeated.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
Remember the good 'ol days
http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959703902/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Apology to NR |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 12:28:42 EDT |
|
In a message dated 5/30/00 3:19:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
alexious@-------- writes:
<< PS. I do apologize again, but I forgot to include the portion that I
rescind my resignation and offices if Nova Roma will have me back.
>>
Good heavens, I MISSED this bit while quickly scanning events before heading
off to work. EXCELLENT news! :) I wish I'd caught this, it'd have saved me a
good few hours of fretting. I'm glad everyone waited patiently for me to
catch up... ;)
Hopefully this has been a situation we can all learn from, and some changes
can be made so that this sort of trouble can be avoided in the future. Lucius
Cornelius Sulla obviously went through a "Long Dark Night of the Soul" over
all this, and perhaps some new guidelines for entering/leaving Gentes will
prevent anyone else having to go endure such a time over these issues.
Valete,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959704219/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Apology to NR |
| From: |
"George VanDeWater" <vandewge@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 10:36:12 -0600 |
|
Salve RMerullo,
Euge! Another voice of reason.
Vale,
G.Africanus Secundus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
Remember the good 'ol days
http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959704636/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Cornelius return. (was Apology to NR.) |
| From: |
sfp55@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 12:52:09 EDT |
|
In a message dated 5/30/2000 8:28:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jmath669642reng@-------- writes:
<< I welcome you back personnally,
Sulla and I appeal to the Honored Conscript Fathers as the Junior Consul
to consider this man's request to return to his home and his duties in a
positive and gentle way. >>
Salvete Conscript fathers & citizens!
Since we have an unofficial ten day "cooling off" period on resignations L.
Cornelius Sulla never resigned, since the paperwork is lost somewhere in the
temple (Grin).
Once again I appeal to the citizens of Nova Roma. If you think we are a role
playing game, if you feel what we do here is insignificant, e-mail me
privately so I can speak with you on how to better resolve this dilemma. We
are real. We are reviving the institutions of Ancient Rome, and most
important of all we are Roman!
Valete!
Q. Fabius Maximus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
Remember the good 'ol days
http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959705598/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Ava Sulla! |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 19:10:06 +0200 |
|
Salvete Omnes!
I just want to express my public delight that Lucius Cornelius has
returned. From this event maybe we can learn:
1) It is a *very* good policy to have waiting periods before
resignations take effect.
2) We have to take our gentes seriously - the production of that
guidebook for patres/matres familias should be speeded up, if possible.
I hope I am not doing too badly, but how am I to know if I am not
leaving something out of my paternal-familias duties that everybody else
just *knows* about?
3) We all have to learn to balance the time we contribute to Nova Roma
so that it doesn't cause unacceptible repercussions in other phases of
our life. I suppose I spend a good ten or twelve hours a week "in" NR
and about its affairs. And I'm not even a magistrate! We should each of
us take more responsibility for making Nova Roma work, and not push too
much of the labour off onto too few people. I have seen many
organisations where that leads to intolerable frustration on the part of
the best and most active elements.
In all aspects of social life there is a bit of rôle playing. In NR
maybe a tad more than in some other places, but in all reality I find
that I have learned a great deal while here - although I have studied
Rome avidly enough for almost four decades -, I have met brilliant and
lovable people with whom I have enjoyed being in the same community, and
I have been inspired and broadened in my spirituality by the Religio.
These gains are perfectly concrete and real. If anyone ever starts to
think that NR is "just" a game, I think he should ask if he never learnt
anything, never experienced a genuine sense of community, never received
inspiration as a result of being in Nova Roma. If there is such a
person, perhaps NR needn't mean much to him, but I think that that
describes few of us whose messages appear in this forum. To most of us,
I think, Nova Roma is not just a site and lists, but is a PLACE and a
COMMUNITY that we live IN, at least for part of our lives. And that is
very rewarding and enriching.
So, thank you, Lucius Cornelius, for consenting to go on living with
us. I very much hope that Helena will too. What Nova Roma helped to
join, it can help to hold together too, if things are done right. I wish
you both all the best back here in Nova Roma.
Valete!
M. Apollonius Formosanus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/6/_/61050/_/959706769/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: A Paterfamilias' thoughts about Gentes... |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <rmerullo@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 13:14:22 -0400 |
|
Salvete Omnes
I, like M Cassius Iulianus, lack authoritative knowledge of Roman gentes
specific enough to provide any guidance in the situation at hand, which
concerns one of the important units of NR's nascent society. I do know,
though, that gentes were essentially a family structure, as the nomen ("gens
name") was always inherited; it is the only name that fathers certainly
passed to daughters for much of the time of the Republic; it was the most
important family unit, because in names of only two parts, such as Gaius
Marius and Quintus Sertorius, the nomen was inherited by itself -- thus
making it more essential than the cognomen, which would have identified an
individual, members of his household or descendents.
As I said before, our future lies in our gentes, sodalitates and provinciae.
Our gentes unite us in identity and faith or devotion. Beyond that, there
is little that is universally true of our gentes, as it should be: since
they are small units that are important to our identity and faith/devotion,
which vary widely and deeply, gentes are evolving in different ways. Some
gentes have extensive contact and face-to-face meetings, others do not;
some gentes admit members of a profile that some would consider narrow, for
instance requiring some Latin proficiency; most have no such requirements.
These differences should increase over time, as gentes grow and establish
their own Roman microcultures.
Given such different paths of gentes, it is not that surprising that people,
from time to time, may feel out of place in a gens and need to join a
different one, or go out on their own. Quirites, people are free do these
things.
As in all things, there are right and wrong ways to go about this. We're
all new at this, so we seem to be trying all the wrong ways first. It is
clear in my view that the search for a new gens should begin not with a
message to me, the censor, but to one's existing pater/materfamilias. The
head of the gens who admitted you into Nova Roma deserves an explanation of
why you feel that you need to leave, and his or her blessing should be
obtained amicably. Reaching out to other patres/matresfamiliae can then
take place, hopefully resulting in adoption. If no adoption can be arranged
for several months, then a petition to establish a new gens is reasonable.
This is an opinion of how things generally would work, not an edict or
judgment of any case.
MCI
I hope I have some
>basic facts correct when I say that the ancient Romans treated "family" a
bit
>differently than we do today.
CMM
I think so.
>
>Adoption between gens was common, to secure that a family name would
continue
>if someone had no heir. In that regard at least blood was not the telling
>factor. Also, people married (and got divorced!) between Gentes all the
time,
>thereby creating and breaking up family alliances with great speed.
CMM
I don't believe that people joined gentes in marriage. A woman retained her
father's nomen, in feminine form, and added the husband's nomen or cognomen
in the genitive case.
>
>I'm unsure about people *leaving* an ancient Roman gens to form their own,
>but it must have been done. There were HOW many thousands of Gentes in
>ancient Rome?
I thought that there were only a coupe thousand until Caesar's time. Shows
what I know.....
>
>As a Paterfamilias with some non-blood people in the Gens, I must say that
>the Gens does provide a sort of bond which is stronger the usual
friendship.
>If a personal problem were to arise in the Gens I'd certainly want to work
it
>out. However, if such problems could NOT be worked out, it would seem a
>sounder course to let Gens members leave and form their own Gens than
create
>a hurtful "family feud" that was never ending.
Right. We are, thus far, not born into NR citizenship, we all choose as
adults to enter it. There is no point in pretending that our gentiles are
children, which is essentially what an attempt to hold someone in a gens
would be.
I'd try to keep some bond with
>the new Gens... an inter-family alliance if such were possible. That way
both
>parties could still benefit even if they couldn't "live" together.
Seems like a good idea to me.
>
>At this time I would like to publicly declare that Gens Cassia will remain
an
>"open" Gens. New people are still welcome should they wish to join us. The
>reverse of this is also true... if anyone should feel some pressing reason
to
>leave they can do so with the blessings of the Gods. Hopefully new families
>formed could remain friends and allies. People wishing to do *either* may
>email myself, or the Materfamilias of the Gens, Patricia Cassia.
This is interesting. Another example of our diversity among the gentes --
every other gens has one head. Let me ask you this, though: in the event
that you and Patricia ever decide to part ways, how will you decide who
retains leadership of the gens?
>
>Perhaps Gens Policy of this type needs to be included in the Album Gentium?
Good idea. I hope that discussion of the gentes and their evolution
continues meaningfully, so that some consensus or range of views worth the
bother of changing the album gentium can emerge.
>
>Valete,
>
>Marcus Cassius Julianus
>Paterfamilias, Gens Cassia
Valete
C Marius Merullus
Paterfamilias Mariae gentis apertae quoque novis novoromanis
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959707044/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Apology to NR |
| From: |
"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielov@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 17:44:32 -0000 |
|
Welcome back censor Corneli Sulla. I´ve just read your apologies,
and I'm very glad you´re back. NR deserves a great magistrate like
you.
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus.
--- In novaroma@--------, RCW <alexious@e...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes...
>
> I want to apologize to everyone for my resignation outburst. At the
> time I posted my resignation there were various issues that I was
trying
> to deal with. The issues I was trying to deal with were all
intergens
> related. I was shocked to say the least. I have one of the largest
> Gens in Nova Roma. I felt that I took special care of my Gens
members
> by dealing with them both individual and as a community outside of
Nova
> Roma. Even when we all gathered at the meeting in April I was so
very
> proud that I had half of my Gens in one room. And today, that
picture
> of pride laid shattered in my e-mail and I didnt know what happened
or
> even how to fix it. The way I reacted was total emotion and no
rational
> explanation can be said. I just want to say I am sorry to everyone
in
> Nova Roma when I said NR is just a game. At the time, with the
limited
> facts that I had at hand, it seemed very much like that. Again I
deeply
> apologize to you, citizens of Nova Roma.
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959708683/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 877 |
| From: |
StarWreck@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 13:58:16 EDT |
|
Salve
<< I did receive the posts regarding the recent resignations. >>
Think of the resignations as proof that, if you ever feel the need (please
don't!), that you can leave Nova Roma freely.
Vale
Iulius Titinius Antonius
Faber est suae quisque fortunae.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Missing old school friends? Find them here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4055/6/_/61050/_/959709500/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Gens |
| From: |
Razenna <razenna@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 11:00:28 -0700 |
|
Salvete.
I am replying to this because Audens asked for our comments. I shall
continue to hold Marcus Minucius Audens (and James Matthews) in high
regard where ever I am whenever that may be.
Paterfamilias of a Gens! I think it is straightforward at its start.
The head of a family. But it goes beyond that. "Of a Gens" is more
than just one family of husband wife and children. For those with any
Scots backgrounding it might help to think of it as sort of the Chief
of a Clan. "Gens" has often been translated as a "Clan" and that is
not far off the mark. The Highland Clan system is more evolved than
the gens systems of ancient Roma. They are a later development by as
much as a thousand years. REMEMBER that the gens system we think we
are recreating had undergone centuries of change [evolution?] from the
period where it functioned as we talk about it being here
reconstructed. By the time it got to Cassius and Brutus there were
many people who undoubtedly bemoaned its degeneration. And while a
Paterfamilias could technically kill his gens members as right of
position, it was not a thing that would have been done in the urbane
world of the late Republic. You would get talked about, you know!
(}:-] Inside a gens there would be smaller family units. Not
everyone would be the child of the Paterfamilias. (I here use my own
gens only as an example. It is my, most likely futile, attempt not ot
offend anyone.) So every Aelian being child to the Paterfamilias
(daddy : son) is inaccurate. Unrealistic. It is actually game
playing of a sort. Of course there are some real families that talk
like this, (and they make me want to find a vomitorium). The ancient
Romans had a very developed nomenclature system for kinship and social
structure. Just look in a good Latin dictionary (such as Cassel's)
and you should find a table delineating the terms for relatives. I
believe it is more discriminating than that current in the U.S. [BTW,
I will here remind folks that I have a degree in Anthropology. I had
a number of courses dealing with kinship and social structure. These
alone will drive home the fact that Homo sapiens is more diverse than
any novelist can ever begin to dream.]
So... Romans had family units within a gens. Unless it was a very
small gens of only one family unit. In the ways of H. Sapiens that
would be a dying unit, unless it got an infusion. These infusions, in
ancient Roma, usually were by adoption. Often with money as an
encouragement, either from a will or an outright business offer to the
other gens.
A Gens, like a "clan" would be a number of family units that were all
related to the Paterfamilias. The Paterfamilias would be the oldest
son of the senior line. Since the Roman Gens was much more of a
family than a Scottish Clan this person would be the senior son of the
senior father and be related to everyone else in the gens. The
adopted were not differentiated from blood relatives. They were
family members. Pure and simple.
What about Nova Roma? A gens is a family. The paterfamilias is the
head of it. Different fathers relate to their families in different
ways. Look at the families around you in the "real world". Some are
very tight, some to the point of being dictatorial. Some are ruled
with a velvet glove. Some are families only in name. Though
sometimes that name is very binding. The Roman Paterfamilias could
declare any member of his gens to be "sui iuris" -- legally
independent. This could be the start of a new gens (to all practical
purposes), or it could just be letting a woman handle her own affairs
and businesses with out having to worry about "ole stick in the mud"
bugging her. (Of course it was also other things. Those are
different topics.)
On Sulla. He has shown himself to be a very "tightly bonded"
paterfamilias from his unwillingness to let Mr. Meeker depart back
whenever that flap happened. Another group of of people wanting to be
sui iuris from gens Cornelia has been traumatic to him. It was about
a year ago that my favorite gens member, Cn Aelius Rusticus quit Nova
Roma. All I know about it is that he got p*ssed and sent a nasty
letter to Cassius. (Neither party has told me What was in it.) After
a while Rusticus wanted to come back. In essence he was told he had
to do penance. ...wait longer. Hell! an assortment of hoops. He
considered doing these thongs, but -- after a while -- decided that it
was just more of the bullsh*t that got him p*ssed in the first place.
He saw Nova Roma as a place to exercise and enjoy his Romanitas. Nova
Roma is not the source of Romanitas, that is Divine Roma Nor is Nova
Roma the only place to exercise and enjoy one's Romanitas, that is the
world around us. All of which is the descendent of Divine Roma.
Gens are families. You all know about families, whether your own
experience is one that you wish to emulate or avoid. The gens and the
paterfamilias were the molecule that Roma was built upon. Many of the
parts, elements, of the proto-state and the proto-Religio are
elaborations on the Gens and the Paterfamilias, but the basic unit was
Homo sapiens.
I am a Pontifex and a Senator. I do my best to read what comes out of
those bodies as well as the main Nova Roma list. I do not recall
there being any discussion regarding what Audens said Graecus said.
"... Pontiff Graecus has assured me that the College of Pontiffs is
looking into a set of responsibilities as it were, but I assume that
effort is still
some ways in the future." Graecus has often posted things that are
his own ideas, as well as theories he has arrived at from his
studies. Perhaps this is of that ilk. I will not go into this here,
if I bother to go into it anywhere, but if you think about it, the
College of Pontiffs could give guidelines to people who are not of the
Religio, just as the Vatican can give guidelines to Protestants. More
fundamentally, I do not believe that the institutional bodies of Nova
Roma (i.e. Collegium Pontificum, Senate, etc.) should go about
sticking their noses into every nook and cranny of the lives and
dealings of Nova Romans.
End of response. End of dissertation.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius.
jmath669642reng@-------- wrote:
> Salvete, Citizens;
>
> While I have no dsagreement with the words of those who have
> commented
> regarding the Gens in Nova Roma, I do have a cautonary comment and
> some
> questions.
>
> It relates back to an event that occurred some time ago whan I
> realized
> that as a Paterfamilias, I really was not doing my job. Why? Well
> because I am not really sure what my job is! I am a student of
> Roman
> Culture, and have always said that since my comig here, but I am a
> Paterfamilas because I chose to be, rather than be adopted by a Gens
> who
> very kindly offered such at the beginning of my tenure in NR. I did
> not
> accept that adoption offer because I hold the name of a Roman of the
>
> Legions, and I wanted to see if I could bring that name, and that
> Gens
> back to life. In this effort think I have succeeded in some small
> way,
> at least partially, in that several times a week the name of the
> long-ago Roman Soldier now spans the continents of the world
> electronically. The Gens has been raised to Patrician, most
> generously,
> and one of the Gens now holds the honors of the Magistry of New
> Rome,
> but what have I done for those in my Gens? What are the duties of
> the
> Pater to his children? What needs do his children have that they
> recognize that he may tender to thier relief. My good friend
> Pontiff
> Graecus has assured me that the College of Pontiffs is looking into
> a
> set of responsibilities as it were, but I assume that effort is
> still
> some ways in the future.
>
> So what of now? Apparently you gentlemen who speak so eloquently of
> the
> Gens and the duties of the Pater / Materfamilias are secure in the
> answers to my questions. My question is what are they? To what
> extent
> does a new member to NR joining, because he or she wishes to know
> more
> about Roman Culture, know of the tight family bond whereof you
> speak?
> Where do they get the information? Where do they find out thier
> responsibilities to the Gens, oter than to have a stranger (me) tell
>
> them in an unsupported dialougue. All of you have seen how well
> this
> approach has worked in NR in the past!!! I have two members of my
> Gens
> who do not speak English, live overseas and to whom anything that I
> say
> must be translated through a gentleman belongng to a different
> Gens. I
> do not say that is wrong, but rather what do they expect of me and
> what
> should I expect of them?
>
> I do not bring these things up to disagree, or to argue the point of
>
> Gens importance with you as I agree that it is important. However,
> I
> cannot see how close bonds of relationship, such as those that you
> imply
> in your Onelist discussions, can be immediately tied in a short
> space of
> time, without a face-to-face relationship, and in a different
> culture,
> and language. To be sure, over time such is possible. That part of
> my
> life spent in forign nations to the US, I have made good and true
> friends, friends with whom I still correspond, but that effort took
> years, and not weeks to build.
>
> So in closing I ask that outside of welcoming new Gens members
> warmly,
> Answering thier concerns / questions about NR, encouraging them in
> thier efforts and listening to thier comments, concerns, questions
> and
> successes what I am I failing at?? If the newest member of my Gens
> decided to join the Gens of his wife, for instance, because they
> think
> that would enrich thier lives, this man and wife, am I the
> Paterfamilias
> of this Gentleman, to stand in his way to such , as a person who has
>
> exchanged one E-Mail message wth him. I cannot see that as my task
> and
> responsibility.
>
> Therefore my friends, I ask for your suggestions, comments, guidance
> and
> references so that I may attain the surity of foot and the
> determination
> of right that you have already gained in your Nova Roma experience.
>
> I thank you for your kind attention to my questions and to my
> concerns,
> for I suspect that they are not only mine alone, but rather the
> concerns
> and questions of many who have such responsibilites in NR.
>
> Salvete, Very Respectfully;
> Marcus Minucius Audens
> Paterfamilias of the Gens Minucia
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959709631/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] To Quintus Sertorius |
| From: |
"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielov@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 18:05:07 -0000 |
|
Ave Quintus Sertorius
First of all sorry for the delay. Your plans impressed me a lot.
What a huge project!. I 'll read it again in the following days,
because there's so much to think of. I appreciate your comments and
ideas.
Cura ut valeas.
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
--- In novaroma@--------, "Guiboche" <guiboche@i...> wrote:
>
> 25 May 2000
>
> Salve
>
> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
>
> My name is Quintus Sertorius and I am also trying to from a
provincia where
> I live. Check out my plan for the organization of the Provincia
(Canada
> Occidentalis) I live in and tell me what you think. I hope this
helps you
> out.
>
> Vale
> Quintus Sertorius
> Citizen
> Nova Roma
>
> This first part is a update on my activities to date, followed by my
> Orignial plan for the Provincia I live in.
>
>
> *Web Site for Canada Occidentalis
>
> I will start by saying I am not web wizard but I am capable and
willing to
> learn. To this point I have made a temporary web site by
downloading the
> main Nova Roma page and modifying it to suite Canada Occidentalis.
I plan on
> moving from my present phone Internet connection to a much faster
cable
> connection. Once this is done I will be able to but up my temporary
site.
> All I need is the go ahead from the powers that control the main
Nova Roma
> web site. I have asked once before but did not receive an answer as
yet.
> This is only till I have a new page built for Canada Occidenatlis.
This new
> page will be made using Front Page Express, and will develop into a
site
> that will be a conduit for all individuals and institutions in
Canada
> Occidenatlis to reach the cultural roman world. I want as many
people to
> visit the Canada Occidenatlis as possible so I plan to have some
interesting
> draws set up on the site. The following is a list of what will be
presented
> on the site.
>
> -Temple to Jupiter Optimus Maximus(containing a very large and
interesting
> section on ancient Rome).
>
> -Links between the institutions in Canada Occidentalis and those of
Nova
> Roma.
>
> -A forum for citizens of Canada Occidentalis to meeting and discuss
issues
> particular to our Provincia and issues dealing with Nova Roma.
>
> -Maintain a list of citizens in Canada Occidentalis(following any
privacy
> laws in Nova Roma) and details such as interests, that the citizens
of our
> Provincia wish to share.
>
> -Pages for each of the three regions of Canada Occidentalis.
>
> -Page for establishment of new Legio.
>
> -A links Page.
>
> -Recruitment.
>
> -Fundraising.
>
> -Social Events.
>
> -Advertisement.
>
> -Ect.
>
> *Temple to Jupiter Optimus Maximus
>
> This undertaking has taught me so much about ancient Rome I have
decided to
> expand this Temple to become a gateway to a virtual reconstruction
that will
> include the following.
>
> - The Great Buildings.
>
> - Temples/Shrines/ect.
>
> - Theaters.
>
> - Gates/Walls.
>
> - Bridges.
>
> Roads
> Insula
> Baths
> Tiber River
> Forum
> Arches
> Columns
> Warfs/Docks
> Sanitation
> The different City Sections
> The Seven Hills of Rome
> Lifestyles
> Ect.
> The Temple to Jupiter Optimus Maximus will include sections on of
course the
> Gods Jupiter Minerva and Juno, Triumphs, Art/ Architecture,
Capitaline Hill,
> the history of the Temple, and the large section on Ancient Rome
which was
> described above. The most important part of the Temple will of
course the
> Religio Romana and that part I have put the most thought. I have
yet to come
> up with the best formula for presenting the Temple but I feel I am
close to
> a breakthrough idea. I have gotten very good ideas from different
members of
> the Religio and I am hoping to get some more. I have been searching
the
> Internet to find as much information as possible on the Temple and
I have
> gotten together quiet a lot of information that I find fascinating.
I will
> continue to gather information.
>
> *A Links Page
>
> This links page will be the main conduit for information movement
between
> individuals and institutions in Canada Occidentalis and the Roman
Cultural
> World. At first I will move in my home region Agassiz which
includes the
> modern day Canadian Provinces of Manitoba and Saskatchewan. I plan
to
> compile a contact links list to include the following institutions.
>
> Universities
> Museums
> High Schools
> The Arts Community
> The Military
> The Police
> The Three Forms of Government
> Colleges
> Fire Dept.
> Clubs
> The Ethnic Community
> Shut Ins and the Disabled
> Seniors
> Ect.
> Once I have complied a links list for Winnipeg(my home city) I will
move on
> to the next largest city in my region and so on till I have
completed a
> massive contact list for the entire region. Then on to the next
region and
> so on till the entire Provincia is completed. I believe that this
contact
> list will be a powerful weapon the use to further the interests of
Canada
> Occidenatlis and Nova Roma. I will be a very proactive citizen for
Nova Roma
> and ensure information is pushed in both directions.
>
> *Recruitment
>
> Once the Links List has been compiled I will make up an Approach
Package for
> Nova Roma and Canada Occidentalis and present the Organization and
what we
> have to offer to prospective citizens. I think that once it becomes
known
> what Nova Roma has to offer we will see a dramatic raise in
applications for
> citizenship here in Canada Occidentalis. My goals for actual
numbers are
> five prospective citizens for my Gens(which I already have) and ten
for the
> entire Provincia. Of which I know there is already one, I cannot
obtain any
> other names as I am not a Provincial Governor(this would help me
> considerably). This goal I would like to see achieved by Jan 2001.
I also
> intend to operate the Provincia on a Jan to Jan schedule the same as
> elections in Nova Roma. For the period of Jan 2001 to Jan 2002 I
hope to
> have twice the numbers of citizens stated above. The Approach
Package I am
> compiling will be as dynamic as my fertile imagination can make it.
This
> will be necessary in order to capture the minds of prospective
citizens.
>
>
>
> *Standing to of a new Legio
>
> This project is a favorite one for me as I was a Infantry Sergent
in the
> Canadian Army for eight years. All the skills I learned there will
greatly
> help me in my organizational plans. I also have enjoyed a life long
passion
> for military history which fuels my desire to proceed in the
Standing to of
> a New Legio for Nova Roma in Canada Occidentalis. I already have
many of my
> former military buddies that are very keen on becoming part of the
new
> Legio. Most of them do not share the same feelings for Ancient Rome
that I
> do. They are in it for the Gladiatorial combats I plan to organize
during
> Fundraising Events and for the prospect of military conquest and
plunder(I
> haven't the heart to tell them we only plan to culturally save the
world
> with Roman Virtues). My plan is to proceed on a slow but steady
course.
> First once I have registered as a non-profit organization I will
fundraise
> in order to buy armor or to buy the tools in order to make our own
armor(the
> legionaries I have are not without metal and leatherworking skills
as some
> of them are trained Assault Pioneers). I will follow the uniform
standards
> sent to me and I hope to have one complete set by the Proivincia's
Grand
> Opening in Jan2001. For the period of Jan 2001 to Jan 2002 I plan
to obtain
> ten sets. I understand that this is a lofty goal but I do still
have a few
> aces up my sleeve! The goal is to send a contingent to a Nova Roma
gathering
> sometime in the period of Jan 2002 and Jan 2003. In the long term I
intend
> that each city in the Provincia will field a cohort contingent of
at least
> six legionaries till we have ten organized cohorts then we will
have a firm
> legion on the ground for Canada Occidenatlis. This should happen in
the next
> five years. This is possible I believe due to the extensive Canadian
> Military contacts I have across Western Canada and the interest I
have been
> receiving.
>
> *Fundraising
>
> I am registering Canada Occidenatlis as a Non-profit organization
and once
> this is done I intend to apply for a Lotteries License in order to
hold
> fundraising events and to be able to accept tax deductible
donations. Then I
> will put together a proposal for Canada Occidentalis that will be
used to
> apply for government cultural grants and more importantly for
Corporate
> grants. I believe the demographic group that I will be reaching for
Canada
> Occdentalis and Nova Roma will be of interest to corporate entities
that may
> want to reach this same demographic, this I plan to exploit. So I
will lobby
> for Corporations to apply for our Canadian Corporate Tax Deductible
> donations that are available here in Canada. I also plan to hold
various
> fundraising events such as Toga Parties where I plan to have
Gladiatorial
> combats as a draw. The fundraising is mainly for the Legio and
> advertisement. The price for the space that will be used up on my
Internet
> server will be absorbed by myself. Till such time as the Provincia
is on
> firmer financial ground.
>
> *Infrastructure for Canada Occidentatlis
>
> The plan I have for the Infrastructure of Canada Occidentalis was
explained
> in an earlier email of I sent to all Senators. I will attach this
same plan
> at the end of this report. I would like it to be known that this
plan is
> necessary in order to be able to properly absorb the new citizens
into
> Canada Occidentalis and to ensure that both the citizen and Nova
Roma
> benefit the most from interaction. I truly believe that Canada
Occidenatlis
> will have a population of fifty citizens for the Period of Jan 2002
and Jan
> 2003 with many more serving in the Legio. These numbers are
achievable with
> the proper diligence and planing.
>
> *The Grand opening of the Provincia of Canada Occidenatalis
>
> All the above mentioned projects will take time to develop so I
intend to
> have them phased and phase one for all projects will completed by
Jan 2001
> which is when I plan to have a Grand Opening for the Provincia of
Canada
> Occidentalis(after the elections). At this time the entire
completed and
> tested site will be up and running ready for exploration. This site
will be
> approx. 20 megs of internals files not counting external links so
it will be
> large and I intend it to be an ants nest of surprises.
>
>
>
> Attached below is my plan for the organization of Canada .
>
> The Nova Roman province of Canada Occidentalis
>
> Praetor: Vacant
>
> Canada Occidentalis is one of the newest Provinciae of Nova Roma,
each of
> which will have its own governor, and will organize its own events
and
> activities. Canada Occidentalis is a small but growing Nova Roman
community,
> which will be held together largely thanks to our e-mail list. Our
citizens
> will be based all across the western part of Canada, and there is
presently
> one gens, the Sertoria.
>
> For administrative purposes, the provincia of Canada Occidentalis
is also
> divided into three Regiones, each of which will be assigned a
Legatus, who
> deals with the day-to-day running of his or her Regio. Please see
below for
> information on each of the Regiones, including the responsiblities
of the
> Legati, and the precise geographical borders of each Regio. The
details of
> the administrative system by which the provincia is run may also be
viewed
> here.
>
> Canada Occidentalis gentes
>
> There is currently one gentes in the provincia of Canada
Occidentalis:
>
> -The gens Sertoria located in the city of Winnipeg in the present
day
> province of Manitoba. Paterfamilias Quintus Sertorius.
>
> If there is a gens based in Canada Occidentalis which does not
appear on
> this list, please contact the Praetor, who will endeavour to put
this right.
>
> E-mailing list
>
> The province of Canada Occidentalis will also have its own e-mail
list, open
> to all interested subscribers, which is intended to bring our
community
> closer together and also to act as a lower-traffic and more relevant
> alternative to the main Nova Roman mailing list.
>
> The Administration of Canada Occidentalis
>
> The province of Canada Occidentalis is divided for administrative
purposes
> into three Regiones; Agassiz (Manitoba/Saskatchewan), Athabasca
> (Alberta/Territories), and Columbia (British Columbia). A Legatus is
> assigned to each Regio, and is responsible for the day-to-day
running of
> that Regio, whilst the Praetor oversees the administration of the
province
> as a whole. This report gives precise details of the administrative
system
> to be used in Canada Occidentalis, under three main headings:
>
> 1.Titles and areas of the Regiones and their Legati;
>
> 2.Administrative infrastructure; and
>
> 3.Duties and responsibilities of the Legati Canada Occdentalis.
>
> I.Titles and areas of the Regiones and their Legati.
>
> The Provincia of Canada Occidentalis is divided into Three
subordinate
> areas, known as 'Regiones' (singular = 'Regio'), or 'Regiones Canada
> Occidentalis'. Each Regio shall be put under the supervision of a
> magistrate, to be known as a 'Legatus' or 'Legatus Canada
Occidentalis'
> (plurals = 'Legati' and 'Legati Canada Occidentalis'). The titles of
> individual Regiones and the Legati responsible for them, and the
areas to be
> included in each Regio, are as follows:
>
> 1. Canada Occidentalis Agassiz (Manitoba/saskatchewan), (Legatus
Canada
> Occidentalis Agassiz)
>
> Area = equivalent to the modern provinces of Manitoba and
Saskatchewan.
>
> 2. Canada Occidentalis Athabasca (Alberta/Territories), (Legatus
Canada
> Occidentalis Athabasca)
>
> Area = equivalent to the modern province of Alberta and the
Territories.
>
> 3. Canada Occidentalis Columbia (British Columbia), (Legatus Canada
> Occidentalis Columbia)
>
> Area = equivalent to the modern province of British Columbia.
>
>
> II Administrative Infrastructure
>
> 1.The Legati Canada Occidentalis must provide the Praetor Canada
> Occidentalis with details of their e-mail addresses, postal
addresses and
> telephone numbers. The Praetor will keep records of these details,
and
> ensure that all Legati know at all times the e-mail addresses,
postal
> addresses and telephone numbers of both the Praetor and the other
British
> Legati. The primary method of administrative communication will be
via
> e-mail, with overland post and telephones being used when e-mail is
not
> available.
>
>
> 2.The names of the Legati Canada Occidentalis shall be displayed,
with their
> positions, on the Canada Occidentalis web-page, with hot-links to
their
> e-mail addresses, and prospective citizens will be invited to
contact the
> Legatus for their Regio as a line of first enquiry. Separate pages
for each
> Regio will be added in due course, with content to be determined
jointly by
> the Praetor and the Legatus concerned. Legati are also encouraged
as an
> alternative to establish web-pages for their Regiones themselves,
which will
> then be linked from the Canada Occidentalis page.
>
> 3.Legati will be appointed by the Praetor Canada Occidentalis, and
their
> positions will be reaffirmed each year on the first of January by
the
> Praetor. When a legateship becomes open, the Praetor shall invite
all
> citizens in the relevant Regio to put themselves forward as
candidates for
> office. All citizens residing within that Regio shall be eligible
to stand
> for such office. Where more than one citizen puts themselves
forward for
> office, the choice of Legatus shall be at the Praetor's discretion,
to be
> determined by any means deemed appropriate.
>
> 4.The Praetor Canada Occidentalis shall at all times retain the
right of
> veto over all actions of the Legati.
>
> 5.All Legati shall retain the right to resign from their positions
at any
> time, without penalty, and without the need to provide a reason for
their
> resignation.
>
>
> III Duties and responsibilities of the Legati Canada Occidentalis
>
> 1.The Legati Canada Occidentalis are asked to establish and maintain
> personal contacts as far as is possible with the citizens resident
in the
> Regio for which they are responsible. The Legati shall act as a
point of
> first contact and enquiry for interested prospective citizens, and
are asked
> to offer advice to such prospective citizens concerning application
for Nova
> Roman citizenship, information, ect. The Legati shall also act as a
point of
> contact for existing citizens, to whom they are also asked to offer
advice
> relating to any aspect of Nova Roma to the best of their abilities.
>
> 2.The Legati are encouraged to correspond regularly with the
Praetor Canada
> Occidentalis, reporting new developments or events in their
Regiones, and
> asking advice where necessary. To ensure a minimum degree of
communication,
> Legati are required to present reports on their Regiones to the
Praetor
> twice yearly, on or near the 1st April and 1st October. These
reports may be
> brief, but should outline, to the best of the Legatus' knowledge,
the
> current population of his or her Regio, the events which have been
held in
> connection with Nova Roma during the past six months in his or her
Regio,
> and any further information which the Legatus may deem useful or
necessary.
> Failure to produce such reports within one month of the expected
date,
> without good reason or prior explanation may result in the
dismissal of the
> Legatus by the Praetor.
>
> 3.The Legati Canada Occidentalis are encouraged to participate in
further
> activities to promote Nova Roma, such as, but not restricted to, the
> distribution of Nova Roman flyers, the hosting of social events or
the
> securing of advertising for Nova Roma.
>
> 4.The Legati Canada Occidentalis shall each have responsibility for
the
> day-to-day administration of the Regiones for which they are
responsible,
> but they shall remain at all times subordinate to and answerable to
the
> Praetor Canada Occidentalis. If at any time the Praetor has cause
to believe
> that an individual Legatus is failing to fulfill his or her duties
to a
> reasonable standard or indulging in activities which are illegal
under
> Canadian law, the Praetor should contact the Legatus to warn him or
her of
> the possible consequences of such action, and ask for an
improvement in
> standards. If no response is made to such communication in the
space of a
> month, or the Legatus fails to satisfy the Praetor's requirement
over the
> same time-scale, the Praetor may dismiss the Legatus, and arrange
for the
> appointment of a new Legatus in his or her place.
>
> 5.Should individual Legati consider it useful or necessary in the
future,
> they may recommend to the Praetor Canada Occidentalis that
magistrates to be
> know as 'Praefecti' (singular = 'Praefectus') should be appointed to
> administer the Nova Roman populations of individual towns or areas.
The
> Legati may either recommend suitable candidates for these offices
from
> amongst all citizens resident in the relevant town or area, or may
ask the
> Praetor to invite offers of candidacy from amongst the same
citizens. The
> candidate chosen may then be appointed by the Praetor Canada
Occidentalis.
> Precise rules and recommendations concerning the office of
Praefectus must
> be formulated by the Praetor Canada Ocidentalis at some time before
the
> first Praefectus shall be appointed.
>
> 6.Candidates for the office of Legatus Canada Occidentalis should
be aware
> that participation in rites pertaining to the Religio Romana (the
pagan
> state religion of Nova Roma) may be required of them in the course
of their
> duties. Should such participation cause difficulties for
prospective Legati,
> they are advised not to apply for the post.
>
>
>
> Nova Roman activities in Canada Occdentalis
>
> Although Nova Roma is held together as an international community
by the
> Internet, we believe that it is also important to organize face-to-
face
> social gatherings at the local level, where members will be able to
meet
> each other, and share their enthusiasm for Roman culture.
>
> These are some of ideas to further Nova Roman culture
>
> -A visit to sites that have information on Roman culture
>
> -Building of a Rome Temple
>
> -Famliy Days
>
> -Re-enactments
>
> -Roman Games
>
> -Debates
>
> -Recruitment
>
> -Fundrasing
>
> -ect.
>
> These are, of course, only ideas, and I am more than open to any
suggestions
> from fellow Nova Romans, or indeed from anywhere else. All Canadian
Nova
> Romans are heartily encouraged to put forward their own ideas, and
indeed to
> host events themselves.
>
> Vale
> Quintus Sertorius
> Citizen
> Nova Roma
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
<-------- size=-1 color="#008000">> From: Lucius Pompeius Octavianus <danielov@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 11:32 PM
> Subject: [novaroma] question and suggestion
>
>
> > Avete omnes.
> > Talking with another NR civis from the same city than me and with
> > another friend, discussing the fact that both of us do not belong
to
> > any provincia here at NR (at least I think so), I was suggested to
> > petition to the senate to form a new provincia. I would like to
> > receive opinions, suggestions and comments on this. Thank you in
> > advance.
> > Curate ut valeatis.
> >
> > Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
------
> > Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
> > Remember the good 'ol days
> > http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959229160/
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
------
> >
> >
> >
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
Remember the good 'ol days
http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959709985/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Apology to NR |
| From: |
Razenna <razenna@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 11:11:38 -0700 |
|
LOL!
Now THAT's the way to handle it!
Ericius.
RMerullo wrote:
> Salvete Censor Luci Corneli et alii
>
> You didn't actually think that I was going to accept your
> resignation, did
> you?
>
> I don't think that any censor will ever agree to strike his/her
> colleague
> from the rolls, without a credible threat of lethal force :).
>
> I am extremely relieved that you have re-considered your
> resignation.
>
> Valete
>
> C Marius Merullus
> Censor Suffectus
>
> >> Salvete Omnes...
> >>
> >> I want to apologize to everyone for my resignation outburst. At
> the
> >> time I posted my resignation there were various issues that I was
> trying
> >> to deal with. The issues I was trying to deal with were all
> intergens
> >> related. I was shocked to say the least. I have one of the
> largest
> >> Gens in Nova Roma. I felt that I took special care of my Gens
> members
> >> by dealing with them both individual and as a community outside
> of Nova
> >> Roma. Even when we all gathered at the meeting in April I was so
> very
> >> proud that I had half of my Gens in one room. And today, that
> picture
> >> of pride laid shattered in my e-mail and I didnt know what
> happened or
> >> even how to fix it. The way I reacted was total emotion and no
> rational
> >> explanation can be said. I just want to say I am sorry to
> everyone in
> >> Nova Roma when I said NR is just a game. At the time, with the
> limited
> >> facts that I had at hand, it seemed very much like that. Again I
> deeply
> >> apologize to you, citizens of Nova Roma.
> >>
> >> Lucius Cornelius Sulla
> >
> >PS. I do apologize again, but I forgot to include the portion that
> I
> >rescind my resignation and offices if Nova Roma will have me back.
> >
> >Lucius Cornelius Sulla
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
> >http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/6/_/61050/_/959681909/
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> >
> >
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Missing old school friends? Find them here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4055/6/_/61050/_/959710291/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Gens |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 19:18:56 +0100 |
|
Salve Erici
>I do not recall
>there being any discussion regarding what Audens said Graecus said.
>"... Pontiff Graecus has assured me that the College of Pontiffs is
>looking into a set of responsibilities as it were, but I assume that
>effort is still
>some ways in the future." Graecus has often posted things that are
>his own ideas, as well as theories he has arrived at from his
>studies. Perhaps this is of that ilk.
Not at all. Consul Audens simply has recalled that conversation about
writing a booklet with the duties of the paterfamilias. I told him that some
members of the Collegium Pontificum (I, Pontifex Scriptor and the Pontifex
Maximus at least) are planning to write a set of booklets on practicals
aspects of the Religio. We thought that the sugestion of Audens would fit
perfectly on that.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959710476/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Cornelius return. (was Apology to NR.) |
| From: |
"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 18:18:53 -0000 |
|
Salvete, Quirites
--- In novaroma@--------, sfp55@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/30/2000 8:28:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> jmath669642reng@-------- --------es:
>
> << I welcome you back personnally,
> Sulla and I appeal to the Honored Conscript Fathers as the Junior
> Consul to consider this man's request to return to his home and
> his duties in a positive and gentle way. >>
L Equitius: I had spoken to Sulla the night before and I was
surprised initially; however, Sulla has had a tremendous amount of
stress in the past months, so in retrospect it's not that surprising.
I hope that he will take whatever time he needs, especially since he
has a reliable colleague, to rest his mind and body. Relax and enjoy
the fruits of your work, Sulla, Then return with a renewed spirit.
I'm happy that he reconsidered, and in such a short time too.
> Salvete Conscript fathers & citizens!
> Since we have an unofficial ten day "cooling off" period on
> resignations L. Cornelius Sulla never resigned, since the paperwork
> is lost somewhere in the temple (Grin).
L Equitius; I would like to suggest that this, or something similar
be made official! I certainly agree that citizens should have
a 'cooling off period'.
However, ten days is perhaps too long. Also, I would add that perhaps
there should be some form of probation. I have some ideas but I would
rather hear what other citizens think about this facet of the problem
of 'citizens' and especially magistrates quitting before making
suggestions.
We, the citizens, need to feel that there is some security in our
republic, that our magistrates will not abandon the republic on
account of personal disputes or short term problems.
I ask everyone to review the Roman virtues and consider what will be
proper for our republic.
> Once again I appeal to the citizens of Nova Roma... We are reviving
> the institutions of Ancient Rome, and most important of all we are
> Roman!
> Valete! Q. Fabius Maximus
L Equitius: If I'm not mistaken, citizenship to a Roman was as
important as life. A punishment of exile was seen as a 'death
sentence'. To be seperated from your home(Lares, Penates, Vesta),
family (Genius, Iuno), friends, and city to live among strangers was
death. Where were your Gods to protect you? Where is the land and
people where you lived and were born and raised with?
Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
Senator
PS.
When I was going through Dive school, There was a bell in the court
yard that you could ring anytime if you wanted to drop out (quit).
Once you rang the bell you were GONE <PERIOD> No 'cooling off' or
anything like that, you were sent back to the fleet, pronto. You
could reapply after year or two, but most likely your request would
be denied unless you had a real good reason for dropping the first
time (illness, death in the family, etc.) So when the class was going
through a particularly difficult section of the course they always
told us NOT to 'ring out' on Friday, but to think about it, talk to
your buddies or an instructor over the weekend. "It's amazing how a
little time to think can change perspectives."
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Accurate impartial advice on everything from laptops to table saws.
http://click.egroups.com/1/4634/6/_/61050/_/959710757/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Resignations was Re: Cornelius return. (was Apology to NR.) |
| From: |
"RMerullo" <rmerullo@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 15:51:26 -0400 |
|
Salvete Luci Equiti et alii
Well said.
I would like comments from others here, new and old, on the subject of
resignations.
As Nova Roma is many things, including a micronation aspiring to recognized
sovereignty, resignations cannot be taken lightly. Many of us have reached
out to those who had resigned to urge them to come back. We are glad when a
hasty resignation is rescinded.
Yet we do not want resignations to be taken lightly. Resignations create
special sets of organizational problems that can be real "Duesies" (sorry)
when you're aspiring to be a micronation ruled by law. Having faced the
prospect of being NR's only censor, tasked with preparing for an emergency
election to elect my colleague, while I still in fact learning the duties of
the office myself, has given me new insight into suicide as the Roman means
of dealing with an overwhelming turn of Fortune :). (This is a joke, in case
you missed the smiley -- neither would I have committed suicide, nor do I
believe that most Romans, at any time in history, fell on their swords so
readily, even in the face of a nasty setback)
We censores share this concern and concurred in a recent discussion that
there should be definite guidelines as to what happens when someone
resigns -- what does the loss of citizenship mean, how and when can it be
reclaimed.
The policy right now is simply that no action is taken on a resignation for
9 days. The person who resigned remains a citizen throughout that time, and
has the option at any time during those 9 days to inform the censores that
he/she has changed his/her mind.
Do people feel that the "cooling off" period should be longer or shorter?
Why?
I would say that resignation causes the end of all responsibilities
recognized by the Republic, so that if I ever resigned my civitas novoromana
(I won't, but use myself as an example not to piss you off), I would cease
to be Censor, Senator, accensus consularis, and paterfamilias. The censores
would find someone to replace me at the head of gens Maria, an election
would be held to elect a new censor, after my cooling off period ended. I
would still exist as Gaius Marius Merullus (my identity, the name under
which I resigned), but would have no responsibility or involvement in Nova
Roma. So, if I had a subsequent change of heart, I would have to re-apply
for citizenship. Should I be able to come back as Gaius Marius Merullus, or
should I not come back with a new name? I believe that the latter would be
more appropriate, since my renewed commitment to Nova Roma would best be
served by a new name, a clean slate.
When I re-apply for citizenship, I would have to meet the same criteria that
other people applying for citizenship do, should be encouraged to join an
existing gens. If I were to petition to form a new gens, I should have to
justify the establishment of the new plebeian gens by the same criteria as
anyone else. I believe that I would place one additional requirement on my
returning self, that is that I explain in my application, in full, why I
left, and why now I seek to come back.
Should I be able to resign and return again? If so, how many times? If I
were to leave with a letter of condemnation, and slander NR while in
self-imposed exile, should I be admitted back the same way that someone who
had quietly had a change of heart been readmitted?
At some point, we need to formalize the answers to these questions and hold
them as a common set of standards, applicable to all.
Your comments please.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
Censor Suffectus
>
>
>L Equitius: I had spoken to Sulla the night before and I was
>surprised initially; however, Sulla has had a tremendous amount of
>stress in the past months, so in retrospect it's not that surprising.
>I hope that he will take whatever time he needs, especially since he
>has a reliable colleague, to rest his mind and body. Relax and enjoy
>the fruits of your work, Sulla, Then return with a renewed spirit.
>I'm happy that he reconsidered, and in such a short time too.
>
>
>L Equitius; I would like to suggest that this, or something similar
>be made official! I certainly agree that citizens should have
>a 'cooling off period'.
>However, ten days is perhaps too long. Also, I would add that perhaps
>there should be some form of probation. I have some ideas but I would
>rather hear what other citizens think about this facet of the problem
>of 'citizens' and especially magistrates quitting before making
>suggestions.
>We, the citizens, need to feel that there is some security in our
>republic, that our magistrates will not abandon the republic on
>account of personal disputes or short term problems.
>I ask everyone to review the Roman virtues and consider what will be
>proper for our republic.
>
>
>L Equitius: If I'm not mistaken, citizenship to a Roman was as
>important as life. A punishment of exile was seen as a 'death
>sentence'. To be seperated from your home(Lares, Penates, Vesta),
>family (Genius, Iuno), friends, and city to live among strangers was
>death. Where were your Gods to protect you? Where is the land and
>people where you lived and were born and raised with?
>
>Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
>Senator
>
>PS.
>When I was going through Dive school, There was a bell in the court
>yard that you could ring anytime if you wanted to drop out (quit).
>Once you rang the bell you were GONE <PERIOD> No 'cooling off' or
>anything like that, you were sent back to the fleet, pronto. You
>could reapply after year or two, but most likely your request would
>be denied unless you had a real good reason for dropping the first
>time (illness, death in the family, etc.) So when the class was going
>through a particularly difficult section of the course they always
>told us NOT to 'ring out' on Friday, but to think about it, talk to
>your buddies or an instructor over the weekend. "It's amazing how a
>little time to think can change perspectives."
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959716388/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Gens |
| From: |
"Lucius Equitius" <vergil@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 19:53:11 -0000 |
|
Salvete,
--- In novaroma@--------, "Antonio Grilo" <amg@c...> wrote:
> Salve Erici
>
> >I do not recall
> >there being any discussion regarding what Audens said Graecus said.
> >"... Pontiff Graecus has assured me that the College of Pontiffs is
> >looking into a set of responsibilities as it were, but I assume
> >that effort is still
> >some ways in the future." Graecus has often posted things that
> >are his own ideas, as well as theories he has arrived at from his
> >studies. Perhaps this is of that ilk.
Lucius Equitius: Yes, and he has even stated that he would be sure to
be specific in the future to be clear about which are his opinions
and which are 'statements' of the College Pontificium. I would remind
everyone that the job of announcing appointments and other
announcements of the College Pontificium is the responsibility of the
Pontifex Maximus.
Graecus
> Not at all. Consul Audens simply has recalled that conversation
> about writing a booklet with the duties of the paterfamilias. I
> told him that some members of the Collegium Pontificum (I, Pontifex
> Scriptor and the Pontifex Maximus at least) are planning to write a
> set of booklets on practicals aspects of the Religio. We thought
> that the sugestion of Audens would fit perfectly on that.
> Vale
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> Pontifex
Lucius Equitius: Well then C Aelius Ericius is still correct. You are
again speaking for the College without consulting the College, at
least not ALL of us. BTW Whose buisness is it to assign "duties" to
anyones Gens? or Paterfamilias? You want to start assigning 'duties',
then start giving some authority to them as well.
Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
Pontifex
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Missing old school friends? Find them here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4055/6/_/61050/_/959716447/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Connubial bliss and Nova Roma |
| From: |
"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 15:55:58 -0400 |
|
> Speaking of couples enjoying happiness, it is my pleasure to report
> that it is perfectly possible to enjoy a delightful relationship in
> which both parties are active in Nova Roma.
Yes, indeed. As Germanicus and I can also attest, NR.......while it has
it's *moments*.....is a terrific place to "live". :)
>
> For those who couldn't be at our wedding, or those who would like to
> know more about Roman weddings, I have created and posted a Web site
> at http://www.janeraeburn.com/wedding. I have also invited our new
> Webmaster to copy this material onto the Nova Roma site.
The site is wonderful!! You both look sooooo happy! ::big goofy grin::
Thank you for creating such a neat site, and I wish you all the joy and
delight the Gods are sure to grant you in the coming years.
:) Priscilla Vedia Serena
> Patricia Cassia
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> CLICK HERE***SPECIAL OFFER***$60 in FREE calls
> ***SPECIAL OFFER***CLICK HERE
> http://click.egroups.com/1/4127/6/_/61050/_/959656147/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/6/_/61050/_/959716733/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Gens |
| From: |
"StormWolf" <blakmice@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 14:55:27 -0000 |
|
>least not ALL of us. BTW Whose buisness is it to assign "duties" to
>anyones Gens? or Paterfamilias? You want to start assigning 'duties',
>then start giving some authority to them as well.
>Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus
>Pontifex
I believe by duties he ment like those a father or mother has to a child.
They are not so much required by anything, but suggested to raise a healthy
child, or in this case, lead a Gens. If a Gens found a better way to deal
with things I assue they'd do it that way... but I for one would want to see
that as I'm coming in fresh
L Vatinius
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
Remember the good 'ol days
http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959716929/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Family life |
| From: |
richard089@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 20:59:58 -0000 |
|
Salve,I am new to Nova Roma and wanted to include my two (2) cents. Familys are the basis of every society. I believe that family shouldstick together. Disfunction can come into play in the best offamilies. I have a sincere wish that collegiality and compassion canbring us together. While I understand that in ancient Rome"compassion" and "kindness" were considered a weakness; this is NovaRoma. Nova Roma can change to include the best of new thinking andreinvent iteself. Save the best of our ancient traditions, changethose that are obsolete. Respectfully,Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959720399/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: A Paterfamilias' thoughts about Gentes... |
| From: |
"Jane or Patricia " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 21:47:08 -0000 |
|
> This is interesting. Another example of our diversity among the
gentes --
> every other gens has one head. Let me ask you this, though: in
the event
> that you and Patricia ever decide to part ways, how will you decide
who
> retains leadership of the gens?
Marcus Cassius is of course the Paterfamilias and holds whatever
patriae potestas there is in Nova Roma. His inclusion of me as a
contact person for the Gens is a gracious gesture signifying that I
assist him in his duties.
If I were ever to part ways with him (an unlikely event, I hope) he
would of course remain the leader of Gens Cassia. This is not a
gender-
based decision; simply, he was here first and was using the name
Cassius long before Nova Roma was founded.
Patricia Cassia
------------------------------------------------------------------------
High long distance bills are HISTORY! Join beMANY!
http://click.egroups.com/1/4164/6/_/61050/_/959723353/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
[novaroma] Ideas on resignation policy |
| From: |
"Jane or Patricia " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 22:00:24 -0000 |
|
Quoth Censor Merullus:
> Do people feel that the "cooling off" period should be longer or
shorter?
> Why?
I think it's just right in the case of a magistrate, who has accepted
duties toward Nova Roma and who should deliberate thoughtfully before
giving them up. Also, if the individual is serious about resigning,
he
or she should spend that 9-day period working with the Senate, the
Citizenry and other magistrates to replace him/herself and train
others
in his/her duties.
Ordinary Citizens should perhaps have a lesser period (three days?).
> I would say that resignation causes the end of all responsibilities
> recognized by the Republic... So, if I had a subsequent change of
heart, I would have to re-apply
> for citizenship. Should I be able to come back as Gaius Marius
Merullus, or
> should I not come back with a new name?
I think you're too hard on yourself, Merullus! It is quite
understandable that the stress of serving in office might drive a
magistrate to consider resigning. If this intent is serious enough to
survive the cooling-off period, it is only reasonable that the person
should not be encouraged to put him/herself in such a stressful
position again.
Once the cooling-off period is over, if a person still seeks to
resign,
he or she should not be readmitted to all previous duties or
positions,
but should be permitted to resume the earlier identity (too confusing
to have people running around with multiple Roman names), provided it
has not been claimed by a new Citizen in the meantime.
My dupondius' worth only, of course.
Patricia Cassia
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Failed tests, classes skipped, forgotten locker combinations.
Remember the good 'ol days
http://click.egroups.com/1/4053/6/_/61050/_/959724027/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Apology to NR |
| From: |
Lykaion1@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 18:10:47 EDT |
|
In a message dated 5/30/00 12:11:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rmerullo@-------- writes:
<< You didn't actually think that I was going to accept your resignation, did
you?
I don't think that any censor will ever agree to strike his/her colleague
from the rolls, without a credible threat of lethal force :).
I am extremely relieved that you have re-considered your resignation.
>>
LOL! The above can be translated thus: "Look Sulla, you are not going to
leave all the censor duties on me alone! I am at this moment planning what
to do to your anatomy if you try! Your friend, Merullo.
I am very happy that Sulla has had a change of heart, and happy for Merullo
that he is not left alone holding the rolls!
Festus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here:
http://click.egroups.com/1/4054/6/_/61050/_/959724713/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
|
