| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Resignations was Re: Cornelius return. (was Apology to NR.) |
| From: |
labienus <labienus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 21:01:17 -0500 |
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Salvete civites.
> As Nova Roma is many things, including a micronation aspiring to
> recognized
> sovereignty, resignations cannot be taken lightly.
Agreed.
> The policy right now is simply that no action is taken on a
> resignation for
> 9 days. The person who resigned remains a citizen throughout that
> time, and
> has the option at any time during those 9 days to inform the censores
> that
> he/she has changed his/her mind.
>
> Do people feel that the "cooling off" period should be longer or
> shorter?
> Why?
It seems to me that nine days is a perfectly reasonable time frame.
First, it's a Nova Roman week, and I like reinforcing such conventions
where possible. Second, it's plenty of time for the heat of the moment
to subside. Third, communication occurs slowly in this medium, and a
conversation that would normally take an hour can take nine days by
e-mail. Fourth, as Patricia Cassia has pointed out, departing
magistrates ought to have time in which to turn over their
responsibilities before being removed from the various private lists
that Nova Roma uses.
> I would say that resignation causes the end of all responsibilities
<amputatio>
> for citizenship. Should I be able to come back as Gaius Marius
> Merullus, or
> should I not come back with a new name? I believe that the latter
> would be
> more appropriate, since my renewed commitment to Nova Roma would best
> be
> served by a new name, a clean slate.
I would say that you could claim your old name as long as nobody took it
while you were in your self-imposed exile. The decision to make a clean
start should remain your own. Otherwise, I'm entirely in agreement with
you here.
> When I re-apply for citizenship, I would have to meet the same
> criteria that
<amputatio>
> anyone else. I believe that I would place one additional requirement
> on my
> returning self, that is that I explain in my application, in full, why
> I
> left, and why now I seek to come back.
Once again, I agree with you.
> Should I be able to resign and return again? If so, how many times?
> If I
> were to leave with a letter of condemnation, and slander NR while in
> self-imposed exile, should I be admitted back the same way that
> someone who
> had quietly had a change of heart been readmitted?
I would counsel that the answers to these questions should be in the
form of guidelines, rather than hard and fast rules, or that, at the
very least, such rules should have provisions so that each case could be
weighed upon its own merits. That said, I I'd be reluctant to readmit
someone who had renounced his or her citizenship more than once without
a darn good reason--especially with a nine day waiting period. And, I'd
certainly factor the person's actions while an ex-citizen into my
decision to readmit them. A tantrum or two immediately after the fact
might be forgivable, but a consistent thread of slander certainly
wouldn't be.
> At some point, we need to formalize the answers to these questions and
> hold
> them as a common set of standards, applicable to all.
Agreed. That is, after all, what the rule of law is all about.
Should guidelines for resignation be enacted, they must be provided with
the application for membership. That way, potential citizens should be
aware of the gravity we give the issue, and (hopefully) will be
encouraged to think seriously about the decision to leave us as well as
the decision to join.
Valete,
T Labienus Fortunatus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Apology to NR |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 19:07:11 -0700 |
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Thanks! :)
SF
RMerullo wrote:
> Salvete Censor Luci Corneli et alii
>
> You didn't actually think that I was going to accept your resignation, did
> you?
>
> I don't think that any censor will ever agree to strike his/her colleague
> from the rolls, without a credible threat of lethal force :).
>
> I am extremely relieved that you have re-considered your resignation.
>
> Valete
>
> C Marius Merullus
> Censor Suffectus
>
> >> Salvete Omnes...
> >>
> >> I want to apologize to everyone for my resignation outburst. At the
> >> time I posted my resignation there were various issues that I was trying
> >> to deal with. The issues I was trying to deal with were all intergens
> >> related. I was shocked to say the least. I have one of the largest
> >> Gens in Nova Roma. I felt that I took special care of my Gens members
> >> by dealing with them both individual and as a community outside of Nova
> >> Roma. Even when we all gathered at the meeting in April I was so very
> >> proud that I had half of my Gens in one room. And today, that picture
> >> of pride laid shattered in my e-mail and I didnt know what happened or
> >> even how to fix it. The way I reacted was total emotion and no rational
> >> explanation can be said. I just want to say I am sorry to everyone in
> >> Nova Roma when I said NR is just a game. At the time, with the limited
> >> facts that I had at hand, it seemed very much like that. Again I deeply
> >> apologize to you, citizens of Nova Roma.
> >>
> >> Lucius Cornelius Sulla
> >
> >PS. I do apologize again, but I forgot to include the portion that I
> >rescind my resignation and offices if Nova Roma will have me back.
> >
> >Lucius Cornelius Sulla
> >
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Bumper stickers |
| From: |
"Jane or Patricia " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 May 2000 02:30:19 -0000 |
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Greetings!
In preparation for Roman Days, I am having bumper stickers made for
Nova Roma. These will be available for sale at the event and through
the mail, and I hope to make arrangements for others to sell them at
events as well.
The stickers are 7.5 inches wide by 3.75 inches high. The design
looks like this:
http://www.egroups.com/files/novaroma/Graphics/smallsticker.gif
In case you can't see it, the slogan is "I'd Rather Be Roman" in
large red type, with the "www.novaroma.org" address and a copy of our
emblem below it.
They will cost $1 apiece or six for $5, with additional charges for
shipping (I'll figure this out when I get back from Roman Days). The
usual percentage of the profits will go to Nova Roma, and any
remaining profits will go toward a gathering of the Nova Britannia
Provincia in the fall.
Should this project meet with official approval, I hope to see the
stickers listed on our Web site when it is convenient.
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Names [Was: Re:Resignations was Re: Cornelius return. (was Apology to NR.)] |
| From: |
Razenna <razenna@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 19:47:41 -0700 |
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One's name is extremely personal, yet names are not unique in the real
world. Any reading of history, much less Roman history shows that
whatever uniqueness a name might have, the further one goes back, and
in certain cultures, the less unique a name might be. If Nova Roma is
to be "real" then names can not be regulated like license plate
numbers.
You all know the componenets of the Roman name. You know that some of
the ancient gens had a very limited number of names that would (ever)
be used. C. Iulius Caesar was the son of C. Iulius Caesar who was the
son of C. Iulius Caesar. If the great general had had a Roman son his
name would also have been C. Iulius Caesar. In fact his adopted son
was named C. Iulius Caesar. He was called Octavianus, but his name
was C. Iulius Caesar. There is no lex or edict (and, please, let
there NOT be) governing the originality of a Nova Roman's name.
Though one might be asked to have some sort of extra cognomen to
differentiate who the email is coming from. Or just leave it up to
the intelligence of the citizens to figure out who the soft spoken one
is and who the crude turkey is.
labienus wrote:
> <amputatio>
>
> > for citizenship. Should I be able to come back as Gaius Marius
> > Merullus, or
> > should I not come back with a new name? I believe that the latter
>
> > would be
> > more appropriate, since my renewed commitment to Nova Roma would
> best
> > be
> > served by a new name, a clean slate.
>
> I would say that you could claim your old name as long as nobody
> took it
> while you were in your self-imposed exile. The decision to make a
> clean
> start should remain your own. Otherwise, I'm entirely in agreement
> with
> you here.
If one can not get into the same gens, they will have a different
nomen. Otherwise... just refer to what I have said above and
elsewhere.
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius Asiaticus Vociferatus.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Update |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 19:52:08 -0700 |
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Salvete Omnes
First off I would like to humbly thank everyone for their kind words at
my return. I swear to everyone I didnt take the matter lightly. There
were and still are alot of issues I am dealing with. I, in part would
like to thank my Gens member Pompeia Cornelia Strabo in fixing many of
the issues that were brought to my attention. As for Helena Cornelia,
she has resigned and unfortunately I think it is for the best. She has
been dealing with alot of personal issues, both phyiscally and
emotionally. I do apologize but that is about what I can say about
that. Again, I do apologize for doing what I considered unspeakable and
I do hope to repair the damage that I have created.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Names [Was: a bunch of other threads] |
| From: |
labienus <labienus@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 30 May 2000 22:13:55 -0500 |
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Valete Cai Aeli et alii.
> One's name is extremely personal, yet names are not unique in the real
>
> world.
I'm probably reading this incorrectly, but since this is the second
e-mail in as many hours that I've seen that implies the distinction, I'd
like to point out that I wouldn't differentiate between Nova Roma and
the real world.
> Any reading of history, much less Roman history shows that
> whatever uniqueness a name might have, the further one goes back, and
> in certain cultures, the less unique a name might be. If Nova Roma is
>
> to be "real" then names can not be regulated like license plate
> numbers.
True enough (though our state does regulate its citizens' names, and
rather heavily at that). I stand corrected and amend my earlier
statement, removing, "I would say that you could claim your old name as
long as nobody took it while you were in your self-imposed exile," and
leaving, "The decision to make a clean start should remain your own."
Valete,
T Labienus Fortunatus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] (no subject) |
| From: |
Silvanus727@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 May 2000 01:02:20 EDT |
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Salvete Omnes,
I, Marius Lucianus Silvanus, Paterfamilias of Gens Luciania do officially
tender my resignation as Paterfamilias of Gens Luciania. Furthermore I also
resign as a citizen of Nova Roma.
When I joined NR, Dexippus was Paterfamilias and when he described NR to
me I was genuinely intrigued by the concept of bringing back ancient Roman
culture and religion. It didn't take me very long to find out that for the
most part there isn't any focus on reviving anything "Roman". Most
"citizens" use this forum to whine and complain and argue needlessly about
trivial matters, most of which have nothing to do with being a TRUE Roman.
There isn't even any real focus on the Religio, one of the main reasons I
joined NR in the first place.
Dexippus left because he couldn't take it anymore, and now Censor Sulla has
also resigned because he can no longer stomach all the nonsense. I think
that I'm making the right decision for me by leaving now rather than later.
As I am the only current member of Gens Luciania left, (Orbianna also
resigned), I do hearby ask that Gens Luciania be stricken from the Album
Gentium. Know that Gens Luciania will live on not only in my heart, but
Dex's and Orbianna's as well.
Lester A. Ramen
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] (no subject) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 May 2000 10:52:25 +0100 |
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Salve Silvane
>There isn't even any real focus on the Religio, one of the main reasons I
>joined NR in the first place.
Why don't you join the Religious list: religioromana@-------- ?
Moreover, everybody can see that the Collegium Pontificum is now bringing
the Religio "to the streets" compared to our situation 1 year ago.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Resignation Rules |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 May 2000 12:43:45 +0200 |
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Salvete Omnes!
Censor et Senator Merullus has asked our opinions on the matter of
guidelines for dealing with resignations.
I think that waiting until the nineth day to act finally is a very good
idea.
As far as returns, I do not see the necessity of putting unnecessary
obstacles in front of anyone having the persistent love for Nova Roma
which prompts them to come back. Quite possibly after making fools of
themselves in some cases at the time of leaving, and be "eating their
words" in coming back.
I think, therefore, that anyone who has sent himself into exile, as
it were, should simply be allowed to come back. Whether his gens would
accept him back is a matter for his gens. Simply returning should be
seen as a form of apology in and of itself for any unkind words said
about Nova Roma and Her people, but no doubt anyone motivated to return
might volunarily wish to say more.
If anyone resigns twice from citizenship, I think that his new
return, if any, should be at the discretion of the Censors and not
automatic. However, even then the Censors should mainly just be
concerned with the question "Would Nova Roma take harm from this
person's return?"
People who want to come back are not a problem, really, and should
not be treated punitively. They should feel that we *want* to welcome
them back. After all, don't we?
M. Apollonius Formosanus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] LEAVING |
| From: |
Lykaion1@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 May 2000 07:46:47 EDT |
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Salvete,
I am leaving Nova Roma.
For two weeks, my annual Natl Guard trip. I'll be back around June 17.
And you thought this was another resignaton, didn't you!
Gaius Lupinius Festus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] LEAVING |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 May 2000 12:53:34 +0100 |
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Salve Feste
I have good news. I'm going to put your small novel on the Camenaeum of our
site.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Curator Aranae
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] De Equitatione (Was Re:Gladiator) |
| From: |
DTibbe2926@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 May 2000 08:51:04 EDT |
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Excellent post on the cavalry, Vado.
Anyone living in, or visiting, Britannia and that hasn't seen them should get
along to an Ermine Street Guard display to see the two cavalrymen that parade
with them. Watching a fully armed and shielded legionary being pushed about
by a cavalryman in a one-on-one situation gives an appreciation of just how
effective cavalry can be. (My apologies to other groups that also use cavalry
in their displays. I've only seen the ESG ones.)
My main thought on the battle in Gladiator was 'where were the auxilia?' We
saw a few Hamian archers but none other. Were the rest of 'em still at the
beer tent?
Severus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Names of the Horses on Maximus' chest armour |
| From: |
quintus-sertorius@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 31 May 2000 23:38:20 -0000 |
|
31 May 2000
Salve
This is a question concerning the movie "Gladiator". Can anyone tell
me what the names of the horses on Maximus' chest armour were? I know
one name was "Argenta".
Vale
Quintus Sertorius
Citizen
Nova Roma
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