| Subject: |
[novaroma] So who's going to Roman Days? |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 07 Jun 2000 00:04:43 -0000 |
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Shall we plan a Nova Roma get-together, as we've done in the past?
Merlinia is offering dinner on Saturday for re-enactors and friends.
We're staying at the Red Roof Inn in Lanham, where we're registered
under my name (Patricia Bradford). We'll be there Friday night
(fairly
late) and will leave Monday morning.
Patricia Cassia
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RE: [novaroma] So who's going to Roman Days? |
| From: |
"Scott C. Cozad" <scott@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:17:58 -0400 |
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I am new to Nova Roma and I am planning on coming on Sunday. I would be
interested in meeting and Nova Roma that may be there.
Cheers,
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] New Members to Nova Roma |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Jun 2000 22:42:40 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salvete, New Members;
I am taking this way of welcoming all new members to Nova Roma since my
time and incomng messages are increasing at an exponential rate, and if
I want to spend some time with my family, as well as with you, I have to
combine somewhere (Grin!!!!).
I do, however, wish to welcome all of you to Nova Roma and to this
micronation that we are building together. Some of you have joined this
micronation for the culture, and some for the Religio, and some for each
of the many aspects of this cultural undertaking. Whatever your
specific reasons , I want to welcome each of you to NR. I would also
like to suggest that those of you who have not read the NR Website:
www.novaroma.org
take a few moments to do so. Once you have been accepted into NR and as
soon as you feel comfortable, let us know who you are, what your
interests are, and share your views. I also want to remind all of you
that this is essentially a recreation of a Republic, and as such we have
much discussion and comment about the direction we are going, the
considerations which we face, and a really important point, that this
micronation cannot grow and prosper without your involvement in
discussion, voting, service (political and religious), information
sharing, and ideas.
Please remember also that we are deliberate here in our actions and as
you grow more familiar with the ways that we do things, you will better
understand some things that are confusing at first. The best way to
find out answers is to ask, and the best way to imprint your presence on
NR is participation.
Having said all that, I warmly welcome you all to Nova Roma and I hope
that you all find something here that you can love and cherish as I
have. I hope in time to meet you all, at the very least, on the
Onelist. If there is anything that the Magistrates can help you with,
after reviewing the Website, please do not hesitate to ask
Valete, Respectfully and Welcome My Friends;
Marcus Minucius Audens
Consul et Senator
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] RE: Praetor's voice on The "lone" Tribune; gender edict |
| From: |
Ira Adams <iadams@--------> |
| Date: |
Tue, 6 Jun 2000 23:30:34 -0500 |
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My veto _was_ cast, legally cast, and no-one has yet stated a valid
reason to consider it otherwise.
Do I have to argue for both sides here? Come on, guys -- learn the ropes.
Caesar doesn't have to "veto" my veto -- that was (presumeably) just
stated that way for the sake of drama. All he has to do is indicate that
he is still acting in the office of Tribune and that he is not in
agreement with me on this matter and my veto (which was otherwise legal
and potent) becomes impotent for lack of the required unanimity.
It is still, as far as I can see, public business and hence not permitted
on the day in question. But that's a matter between Caesar and the
priesthood, I suppose.
This is not only an unrewarding and obnoxious exercise in futility, but
when I have to teach my opponents how to frame their arguments, it is
boring as well.
Lucius Sergius Australicus
On 6/6/00 6:49 AM Antonio Grilo (amg@--------) wrote:
>Salve Tribune L Sergi Australice
>
>>So inform me how Caesar can cast a veto on a day in which legal or public
>>business is forbidden. You may have noticed that I picked a _legal_ day
>>for mine.
>Very good point! It would have saved your day! This is very interesting, for
>imagine that a sequence of Nefasti days follows the issuing of an Edict. No
>one can veto it after the very day it is issued. Good point, and something
>to remind in the future. Although I think that the prohibition concerning
>Dies Nefasti regarded specifically legal cases. That's something we must
>really check.
>
>Nevertheless, it does not matter in our case because in the same way your
>veto could not be cast, his veto of your veto could not either.
>
>Vale
>Antonius Gryllus Graecus
>Senator et Praetor
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Re: [novaroma] Re: De fastis was Praetor's voice on The "lone" Tribune; gender edict |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:51:21 +0100 |
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Salve Razenna
Wonderful interpretation! Dies et horae nefasti do not count for legal
purposes!!
Vale
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] New (now officially) citizen |
| From: |
Guido Costantini <flyke@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 07 Jun 2000 10:57:11 +0200 |
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Hallo all
Well, some of you may have read some from me already, but only now my
citizenship request has been accepted...so now I am Domitius Constantinus
Fuscus. For the ones curious to know how my quest for a gens located in
provincia Italia ended, I eventually had to create my own gens,
Constantina, not having recieved any answer at all at the various emails I
kept sending to the paterfamilias (wonder if they are really alive, or they
just didn't like me...oh well).
Incidentally, some time ago someone on this list offered me hospitality in
his/her gens... accidentally, my mails got deleted so i wonder if that
someone could contact me privately.
Regards
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] ATTN for new citizens: Religion mailing lists |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 7 Jun 2000 10:06:09 +0100 |
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Salvete
For those interested on the Religio Romana, there are interesting mailing
lists. You can subscribe at:
http://www.egroups.com/group/ReligioRomana - Religio Romana in general
http://www.egroups.com/group/mithras - Discussion on the Mithraic Mysteries
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem VII Idus Iunii (June 7th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:06:41 +0100 |
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Salvete omnes
This is one of the dies nefasti (N), a day on which no legal action or
public business can take place.
On this day the inner sanctum (known as the penus) of the temple of Vesta is
opened up; it is closed again on the 15th. The 'matronas' go there with
barefeet to pray to the Goddess of the hearth, both public and private.
This day also celebrates Tiberinus, God of the river Tiber (often called
Tiberinus Pater) whose name was received from the Alban king Tiberinus.
Games are held on the Campus Martius. The feast is specially dear to
fishermen.
I remind that Iunius is the month of Iuno, month of the young (iuuenes).
Pax Deorum vobiscum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: New (now officially) citizen |
| From: |
"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <sarmaticus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 07 Jun 2000 13:40:06 -0000 |
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Salve Constantine Fusce,
and welcome to NR (now officially) !
It's very important that now with you NR has at least one "alive"
citizen in real Italia!
Ciao,
AVLVS ARTORIVS ARIVS SARMATICVS
Civis et barbarvs Novæ Romæ
Propraetor Sarmatiæ Provinciæ
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| Subject: |
Fwd: [novaroma] Witch Hunt |
| From: |
AnneStratford@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:00:00 EDT |
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I forwarded the article on witch hunts to a friend who is currently
researching this area of history. Thought the list might be interested in
his response. Be well,
Anne
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Dies fasti et nefasti |
| From: |
RexMarcius@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:47:57 EDT |
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Salvete omnes!
IMHO as governor, the really interesting and important question regarding the
dies fasti should be solved once and for all and if possible in a legal
binding way, now that it has been raised publicly.
The Constitution states in VI.B.1.a. that: ".[The collegium pontificum shall
have the following honors, powers, and responsibilities:]
a. To control the calendar, and determine when the festivals and dies fasti
and dies nefasti shall occur, and what their effects shall be, within the
boundaries of the example of ancient Rome"
I am not aware that the collegium has so far determined what the effects of
dies fasti and nefasti are. If anything has publicly been decreed could one
of the pontifices inform me about it.
As regards the historical effects of dies fasti I can only point to my
superficial knowledge that "fasti" was short for "dies, quibus fas est, lege
agere". Therefore it seems to me that the fasti had effects mainly for court
proceedings (=lege agere).
Thankful for any further guidance from the collegium pontifices
Marcus Marcius Rex
Propraetor Germaniae
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Dies fasti et nefasti |
| From: |
"Razenna " <razenna@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:16:38 -0000 |
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The Pontifex Maximus is the final word in relaying information from
the Collegium Pontificum, but I will pass on to you what I can. I
hope to be coservative in my rendering.
The CollPont decided a whil e ago that the meetings of the Senate and
official voting in the Senate and among the People had to be in
keeping with the ancient proscriptions against such business being
conducted on the particular days. There was no ruling on the dies
fast etc. in relation to other. To the best of my memory there was
no
discussion regarding other elements of Nova Roma's government,
magistrates and acts by any of these.
This is what I can say with any surety. So far as interpretation
goes... well, it is in want something more solid than interpretation
that prompted you to frame the question you did.
Since Roman Days is coming up for the East Coast I would assume that
the Pont Max, Cassius, will be away until it is over. And, according
to the calendar, the first dies comitiales will be June 16, so it
will
be at least that long before a real decision is made. I will
garuntee
you will be hearing unofficial ones. -(|;-)
C. Aelius Ericius.
Pontifex. Augur.
--- In novaroma@--------, RexMarcius@a... wrote:
> Salvete omnes!
>
> IMHO as governor, the really interesting and important question
regarding the
> dies fasti should be solved once and for all and if possible in a
legal
> binding way, now that it has been raised publicly.
>
> The Constitution states in VI.B.1.a. that: ".[The collegium
pontificum shall
> have the following honors, powers, and responsibilities:]
> a. To control the calendar, and determine when the festivals and
dies fasti
> and dies nefasti shall occur, and what their effects shall be,
within the
> boundaries of the example of ancient Rome"
>
> I am not aware that the collegium has so far determined what the
effects of
> dies fasti and nefasti are. If anything has publicly been decreed
could one
> of the pontifices inform me about it.
>
> As regards the historical effects of dies fasti I can only point to
my
> superficial knowledge that "fasti" was short for "dies, quibus fas
est, lege
> agere". Therefore it seems to me that the fasti had effects mainly
for court
> proceedings (=lege agere).
>
> Thankful for any further guidance from the collegium pontifices
>
> Marcus Marcius Rex
> Propraetor Germaniae
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Dies fasti et nefasti |
| From: |
RexMarcius@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:26:08 EDT |
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Salve Pontifex Gaie Aelie!
Thank you for your prompt answer! So I guess I will have to wait then for a
few days.... Unfortunately I cannot fly to the US for Roman Days but I will
consider doing it next year!
Marcus Marcius Rex
Propraetor Germaniae
Post Scriptum: I can not wait though, to hear the unofficial expert
opinions!! ;-)))
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Dies fasti et nefasti |
| From: |
"Razenna " <razenna@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 07 Jun 2000 19:29:43 -0000 |
|
Now my own unofficial opinion. Biding by the Roman religious
calendar
would be the safe way to go. It would probably please the Gods of
Rome, even if They have adapted to the "modern world". Also, you
would not have to worry about someone challenging the validity of the
business conducted on a nefasti day.
BTW, I am one of those who believe in updating some of the old
taboos.
To use a comparison to modern Judaism, I would be compred to
the Reform branch with many leanings to Conservatism, but I am not
Ultraorthodox.
Take care and be well.
C. Aelius Ericius.
Pontifex. Augur.
--- In novaroma@--------, "Razenna " <razenna@e...> wrote:
> The Pontifex Maximus is the final word in relaying information from
> the Collegium Pontificum, but I will pass on to you what I can. I
> hope to be coservative in my rendering.
>
> The CollPont decided a whil e ago that the meetings of the Senate
and
> official voting in the Senate and among the People had to be in
> keeping with the ancient proscriptions against such business being
> conducted on the particular days. There was no ruling on the dies
> fast etc. in relation to other. To the best of my memory there was
> no
> discussion regarding other elements of Nova Roma's government,
> magistrates and acts by any of these.
>
> This is what I can say with any surety. So far as interpretation
> goes... well, it is in want something more solid than
interpretation
> that prompted you to frame the question you did.
>
> Since Roman Days is coming up for the East Coast I would assume
that
> the Pont Max, Cassius, will be away until it is over. And,
according
> to the calendar, the first dies comitiales will be June 16, so it
> will
> be at least that long before a real decision is made. I will
> garuntee
> you will be hearing unofficial ones. -(|;-)
>
> C. Aelius Ericius.
> Pontifex. Augur.
>
> --- In novaroma@--------, RexMarcius@a... wrote:
> > Salvete omnes!
> >
> > IMHO as governor, the really interesting and important question
> regarding the
> > dies fasti should be solved once and for all and if possible in a
> legal
> > binding way, now that it has been raised publicly.
> >
> > The Constitution states in VI.B.1.a. that: ".[The collegium
> pontificum shall
> > have the following honors, powers, and responsibilities:]
> > a. To control the calendar, and determine when the festivals and
> dies fasti
> > and dies nefasti shall occur, and what their effects shall be,
> within the
> > boundaries of the example of ancient Rome"
> >
> > I am not aware that the collegium has so far determined what the
> effects of
> > dies fasti and nefasti are. If anything has publicly been decreed
> could one
> > of the pontifices inform me about it.
> >
> > As regards the historical effects of dies fasti I can only point
to
> my
> > superficial knowledge that "fasti" was short for "dies, quibus
fas
> est, lege
> > agere". Therefore it seems to me that the fasti had effects
mainly
> for court
> > proceedings (=lege agere).
> >
> > Thankful for any further guidance from the collegium pontifices
> >
> > Marcus Marcius Rex
> > Propraetor Germaniae
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Problem with Censor email? |
| From: |
"Decius Aucelius Sebastianus" <Decius@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:39:05 -0500 |
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Salvete Omnes,
I was wondering if anyone knows how I may contact the Censors, as the
Censors@-------- email address is bouncing my mail back at me.
Gracia
DEC
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Problem with Censor email? |
| From: |
labienus <labienus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 07 Jun 2000 17:55:28 -0500 |
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Salve Deci Auceli.
> I was wondering if anyone knows how I may contact the Censors, as the
> Censors@-------- email address is bouncing my mail back at me.
You can contact the censores using their individual addresses.
L Cornelius Sulla - alexious@--------
C Marius Merullus - rmerullo@--------
E-mail addresses for all of the magistrates are available on the Nova
Roma Web site at
http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/magistrates.html
Vale,
T Labienus Fortunatus
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