| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Additional notes from the Senate floor |
| From: |
StarWreck@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 10 Jun 2000 20:54:41 EDT |
|
In a message dated 6/10/00 6:07:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
RexMarcius@-------- writes:
<< to have criminal proceedings opened against opposition
politicians who voiced criticism (very outspoken) against the
government >>
The 1st Ammendment in the Bill of Rights to the Constitution of the United
States of America (simmilar to what most nations have) was created with the
intent to give citizens the right to critize their government (despite the
fact that some rednecks use it to justify being racist weirdo's). If they
actually start acting on this, most likely the United States, NATO, and even
the United Nations will most likely consider it a violation of Human Rights
and move in, and do something about it. I hope your situation clears up soon.
Vale
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The poll. |
| From: |
JustiniaCassia@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 10 Jun 2000 21:11:38 EDT |
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Salve, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus,
I just checked the page after reading your post, and I don't see 58.5% in
favor of the Edict. I read that only 24.53% support the Edict, voting that
the Roman name should reflect the holder's sex. 30.19% say one should be
given a choice to be recognized as male or female, and 33.96% would make
exceptions for those living their offline lives as the opposite gender.
11.32% don't care.
I think perhaps you added the 24.53% for the Edict to the 33.96% in favor of
transgendered exemption as that equals 58.49%. However, if any two should be
added together, it should be the 30.19% in favor of choice with the 33.96%
who would exempt transgendered persons for a total of 64.15% AGAINST the
original Edict requiring that the name always match the sex.
Vale,
Iustinia Cassia
In a message dated 6/10/0 6:29:59 PM, flyke@-------- writes:
<< I'm sorry.. WHAT are you talking about?.. if we read teh same page, 58,5%
of the people said that
"Yes, one's Roman name should always reflect his/her actual gender", even
if the 34% thinks that "exceptions should be made for those living their
real (not virtual) lives as the opposite gender." (how this should be
checked, is something that escapes me).. so, seems to me that most of the
people think that generally the edict of Sulla had some good in it if that
true intention of the Censor was to avoid mere online "players" around. >>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Additional notes from the Senate floor |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 10 Jun 2000 21:09:44 -0500 (CDT) |
|
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000 LSergAust@-------- wrote:
> 2) a demand for sanctions against your (not so) humble Tribunus Plebis (I
> think the "not so humble" thing is part of the problem).
It could be worse -- you remember what happened to the Gracchi!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] The poll. |
| From: |
Mike Macnair <MikeMacnair@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 Jun 2000 06:44:22 -0400 |
|
Salvete!
I suspect the current poll outcome can - perhaps unsurprisingly - be
interpreted as (i) there is a majority against the Edict in its original
form which does not make exceptions for transgendered people (ii) there is
a majority also against the complete laisser-faire position, also
unsurprisingly, but (iii) there is not a majority for the intermediate
position that there should be some controls, but with some degree of
flexibility, because it is unclear what it means.
IMO the current poll also has the classic opinion poll error of asking
questions in a form which introduces bias. The laisser-faire position is
represented as a positive argument that people SHOULD have the right to
choose gender names, whereas as it has been argued here and in the Senate,
it is rather the negative argument that Nova Roma SHOULD NOT legislate on
this matter (mainly on standard libertarian grounds). The intermediate
position is represented as accepting the physical gender/ sex starting
point, but allowing for exceptions: however, it has also been argued that
the starting point should be 'legal' gender, i.e. the gender on current
official documents, or 'habitual' gender, i.e. the gender used in
(macronational) daily life.
The present argument is effectively not between retention of the original
edict and the other positions, since Sulla redrafted the original Edict in
the Senate discussion to accommodate the intermediate position. It is as to
(a) which starting point for an intermediate position and (b) between the
intermediate position and the libertarian position. The poll is totally
unhelpful in indicating views on this issue.
(I leave aside the fact that the "original edict" position and its
supporters have still not clarified whether by "physical gender" they mean
genotypic sex (XX or XY, leaving an issue as to XXY) or phenotypic sex/
gender (possession of the genitalia appropriate to a sex/ gender, and this
remains unclarified in the poll. This ambiguity is now trivial since almost
everyone agrees that transsexualism requires some form of exception.)
Valete,
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Digest Number 894 |
| From: |
"Sybil Leek" <DolanAp@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 Jun 2000 07:53:46 PDT |
|
Salve Brian Morache
I am by no means an expert on the topic of Roman naval ships, however, I
do know that there is a functional reproduction based on a version of these
ancient ships. The modern Greek Navy has such a ship in its fleet. The ship
itself is a three level, 1000 man ored, ramming warship designed after the
ancient Greek warship. From what I understand of the Roman ships the design
was borrowed from the Greeks, so this ship might be a good reference. I do
not have the addy but I know there is a web site that shows the construction
of this ship. Information regaurding this ship has also been published by
naval magazines and an article was done on it by National Geographic.
Concerning the second half of your question, how orders were given... You
might try looking through information dealing with encryption. The reason I
say this is because ancient Romans created some of the first encoding
examples known to us today. A strip of cloth would be wrapped around a stick
at a diagonal and the message written on it. The strip was then unwrapped
and the blank areas filled in with random letters. To uncode the message
the cloth was again wrapped around a stick and read. I do not know how much
research has been done on specifics conserning this type of coding but there
might be something that would suit your needs.
Vale Prima Ritullia Nocta
P.S. Good luck in your search, your topic seems very intereaging.
>Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 14:04:42 -0400
> From: Jennifer E Hunt <riturtle@-------->
>Subject: Fw: FW: Roman Military
>
>Could someone respond to this request for information, please?
>
>Gratias vobis ago!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ar nDraiocht Fein Warriors list [mailto:ADF-WARRIORS@--------]On
>Behalf Of Rene H. Morache
>Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 8:38 PM
>To: ADF-WARRIORS@--------
>Subject: Roman Military
>
>
>I am currently researching a topic for a project of mine and would like
>to know if anyone has any informantion regarding the Roman Navy. What
>kind of vessels they had and how large they were. What kind of
>capabilities they had and their seakeeping qualities. Also if anyone
>might know if their chain of command would have used written orders or
>verbal commands when giving assignments to ships. Basicly I was
>wondering if Caesar would have given a verbal command to one of his
>captains or if he would send a written order via a courier. One has to
>wonder if we have the Romans to thank for military paperwork as well?
> I eagerly await a reply. I can be reached privately at
>rmorache@--------
> Blessed Be,
> Brian Morache
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] For those that are intrested.... |
| From: |
"Jennifer harris" <fionaerin@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:06:42 -0000 |
|
Salvete Citizens of Nova Roma,
For a while now I've been having this idea, and never really got
around to doing it. I was wondering for any that intrested, if anyone
would like to join a classical poetry list. I myself would be the
lists moderator. But before I did anything, I wanted to make sure I
had people to join. It just wouldn't be classical poetry, any kind
actually. I believe roman creativity should not be ignored ( and I
also don't mind if it's in latin). Well I guess that's all I had to
say for now. I'm done rambling for the moment, thak you for listening.
Valete,
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Fw: FW: Roman Military |
| From: |
"Jenni Hunt a/k/a Iulia Ovidia Luna" <riturtle@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 Jun 2000 17:07:09 -0000 |
|
Pardon me -- this gentleman is not subscribed to this list, so if
anyone else might care to answer his question(s), please respond to
him privately. (I will forward this to him.)
--- In novaroma@--------, Razenna <razenna@e...> wrote:
> Salve.
>
> I received this forward through the Nova Roma main list. I am not
the
> most knowledgible on this subject -- not by far -- but I am a naval
> enthusiast and I thought I would give you what I could. A very
> knowledgeable man on the subject is Marcus Minucius Audens the
founder
> of the Military and Naval Sodalicum. Q. Fabius Maximus is also very
> knowledgeable from his historical interests and as a wargamer. I'm
> "cc'ing" this to Audens in hopes that he will be able to add some
more
> illuminating information. I've also cc'ed the Nova Roma list in
hopes
> that interested Nova Romans will enjoy something different.
>
> I'll try to intersperse my comments below in the appropriate places.
>
> First: An excellent book is _ The Age of the Galley _ in the
> Conway's History of the Ship series, published by Naval Institute
> Press in the U.S.. You might be able to find it in a good library
--
> it costs $50.
>
> Jennifer E Hunt wrote:
>
> > Could someone respond to this request for information, please?
> >
> > Gratias vobis ago!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ar nDraiocht Fein Warriors list
> > [mailto:--------W--------ORS@--------]On
> > Behalf Of Rene H. Morache
> > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 8:38 PM
> > To: --------W--------ORS@--------
> > Subject: Roman Military
> >
> >
> > I am currently researching a topic for a project of mine and would
> > like
> > to know if anyone has any informantion regarding the Roman Navy.
>
> ***The Naval Institute Press also offers the early 20th Century
book,
> Greek and Roman Naval Warfare by W. L. Rodgers. Much in it has been
> revised by later research and discoveries, not to mention the
> reconstruction of some of the ships.
>
> > What
> > kind of vessels they had and how large they were. What kind of
> > capabilities they had and their seakeeping qualities.
>
> The period in question is important, but I will just skim things and
> not go past Actium.There were many types and sizes of vessels. The
> prime small warship in the Roman Navy was probably the Liburnian.
It
> had two banks of oars. It was fast. It was adopted and adapted
from
> a favorite vesel of pirates in the Adriatic, the coast of Liburnia.
> The largest ships that the Romans got for themselves were
Quadriremes
> and Quinquiremes. Triremes were used a lot, but in the course of
the
> Punic Wars the "Fours" and "Fives" were the main combat ships. It
was
> a case of each side using large ships and as good as a "Three" was
as
> an excellent balance of size and speed, they were at a disadvantage
> against the "battleships".
>
> Seakeeping: That has been argued a lot. Mostly on the side of the
> galleys not being all that good at seakeeping. The replica trireme
> Olympias showed that the Threes, and possibly the larger vessels by
> extension of thought, were better seakeepers than had been thought.
> Olympias could sail closer to the wind than had been thought, and
she
> did not heel as much as had been theorized. As you know, one of the
> big points in seakeeping is staying afloat, the freeboard to the
> lowest oar ports is a critical factor with the galleys. The
Olympias
> had leather gaskets that were fastened around the lower oars by
means
> of lashings. The vessel stayed drier than they had expected, this
> allowed them to cautiously push the envelope a bit more.
> Of course we know about the numerous Roman fleets that were
> lost to storms. Many on the south coast of Sicily. Poor seamanship
> was the telling factor in these cases, in my opinion. There are
times
> when you should just stay in port. The demands of war added to the
> bad decisions (we gotta get There Son!), but the human factor was
> there.
> Capabilities: The types of ships varied as did the
> capabilities. And, of course, there are the various categories of
> capabilities. Speed, under oar and under sail. Seakeeping. Combat
> abilities -- number of troups carried and types. Number of crew and
> their quality. Endurance. I'm going to pass on this one. I'm just
> not up to a dissertation =({[;-)
>
> > Also if anyone
> > might know if their chain of command would have used written
orders
> > or
> > verbal commands when giving assignments to ships. Basicly I was
> > wondering if Caesar would have given a verbal command to one of
his
> > captains or if he would send a written order via a courier. One
has
> > to
> > wonder if we have the Romans to thank for military paperwork as
> > well?
>
> The Romans were not only literate, they were big on putting things
in
> writing, and there is the fact that the expanse covered by a fleet,
> and many of the fleets were monstrous in size, would necessitate
> written orders. Okay, I'm using a lot of supposition here. Here it
> is for what it's worth. Signal flags are only so much use, even
> before the smoke of burning ships obscures things. Signals would be
> used while they could. It seems individual ships' commanders'
> initiative had some play. Some of the formations in the Greek
battles
> were innovative, which indicates planning, drill and communication,
at
> least before the action was joined. A lot of the communication
would
> have been before the action. The High Commander's orders in the
> course of battle would have weight, but there is the factor of
anybody
> being able to know what he wanted. At Actium the plans of both
sides
> were determined before the battle. Once it was joined it was
> basically a grand melee. This is not far from what the land battles
> were like. But if Caesar said do such and such, those who heard him
> would do it. A courier might be able to reach farther, but the
> dispatch boat would not be able to effectively communicate with more
> than a few ships. The Romans might well have been the originators
of
> military paperwork, but battle orders would be limited by the
physical
> restrictions of the limitations of the battlefield communications of
> that technology level. On the sea and on land. It always is.
>
> > I eagerly await a reply. I can be reached privately at
> > rmorache@--------
> > Blessed Be,
> > Brian Morache
>
> I hope this helps some. At the least, I hope the cc'ing I did will
> shake loose some better information for you.
>
> Di Deaque te ament.
> Bene Vale.
> Caius Aelius Ericius.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Fw: FW: Roman Military |
| From: |
Razenna <razenna@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 Jun 2000 10:40:00 -0700 |
|
I replied to him privately and included novaroma/egroups as a cc in
both the posts I sent him about the ancient navies. Interestingly
enough the post I sent to him that had the links bounced back to me.
The first one did not. I replied to him because I am deeply
interested in maritime matters. If he didn't get it, he did not get
it. If he wants more, and contacts me, I will send him more. As I
said in my first post to him, I was doing cc:novarom@egrooups in case
any Nova Romans were interested in the subject.
The _Olympias_ trireme, as the name denotes, has three banks of oars.
The crew is well under the 1,000 persons (there have been women at the
oars) that the other person who replied stated. Here are some links
about the trireme and to some photos of her.
http://www.atm.ox.ac.uk/rowing/ttintro.html
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0004:id%3Dtrireme
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/image?lookup=1989.02.0009
They are fun, if one has that proclivity. Poke around the links
within the above sites. There is much information there. Check out
the Trireme Self-Assessment Questionnaire. And mind the beat of the
drummer [hortator].
Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius.
Sepia Senex
Jenni Hunt a/k/a Iulia Ovidia Luna wrote:
> Pardon me -- this gentleman is not subscribed to this list, so if
> anyone else might care to answer his question(s), please respond to
> him privately. (I will forward this to him.)
>
> --- In novaroma@--------, Razenna <razenna@e...> wrote:
> > Salve.
> >
> > I received this forward through the Nova Roma main list. I am not
>
> the
> > most knowledgible on this subject -- not by far -- but I am a
> naval
> > enthusiast and I thought I would give you what I could. A very
> > knowledgeable man on the subject is Marcus Minucius Audens the
> founder
> > of the Military and Naval Sodalicum. Q. Fabius Maximus is also
> very
> > knowledgeable from his historical interests and as a wargamer.
> I'm
> > "cc'ing" this to Audens in hopes that he will be able to add some
> more
> > illuminating information. I've also cc'ed the Nova Roma list in
> hopes
> > that interested Nova Romans will enjoy something different.
> >
> > I'll try to intersperse my comments below in the appropriate
> places.
> >
> > First: An excellent book is _ The Age of the Galley _ in the
> > Conway's History of the Ship series, published by Naval Institute
> > Press in the U.S.. You might be able to find it in a good library
>
> --
> > it costs $50.
> >
> > Jennifer E Hunt wrote:
> >
> > > Could someone respond to this request for information, please?
> > >
> > > Gratias vobis ago!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ar nDraiocht Fein Warriors list
> > > [mailto:--------W--------ORS@--------]On
> > > Behalf Of Rene H. Morache
> > > Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 8:38 PM
> > > To: --------W--------ORS@--------
> > > Subject: Roman Military
> > >
> > >
> > > I am currently researching a topic for a project of mine and
> would
> > > like
> > > to know if anyone has any informantion regarding the Roman Navy.
>
> >
> > ***The Naval Institute Press also offers the early 20th Century
> book,
> > Greek and Roman Naval Warfare by W. L. Rodgers. Much in it has
> been
> > revised by later research and discoveries, not to mention the
> > reconstruction of some of the ships.
> >
> > > What
> > > kind of vessels they had and how large they were. What kind of
> > > capabilities they had and their seakeeping qualities.
> >
> > The period in question is important, but I will just skim things
> and
> > not go past Actium.There were many types and sizes of vessels.
> The
> > prime small warship in the Roman Navy was probably the Liburnian.
> It
> > had two banks of oars. It was fast. It was adopted and adapted
> from
> > a favorite vesel of pirates in the Adriatic, the coast of
> Liburnia.
> > The largest ships that the Romans got for themselves were
> Quadriremes
> > and Quinquiremes. Triremes were used a lot, but in the course of
> the
> > Punic Wars the "Fours" and "Fives" were the main combat ships. It
>
> was
> > a case of each side using large ships and as good as a "Three" was
>
> as
> > an excellent balance of size and speed, they were at a
> disadvantage
> > against the "battleships".
> >
> > Seakeeping: That has been argued a lot. Mostly on the side of
> the
> > galleys not being all that good at seakeeping. The replica
> trireme
> > Olympias showed that the Threes, and possibly the larger vessels
> by
> > extension of thought, were better seakeepers than had been
> thought.
> > Olympias could sail closer to the wind than had been thought, and
> she
> > did not heel as much as had been theorized. As you know, one of
> the
> > big points in seakeeping is staying afloat, the freeboard to the
> > lowest oar ports is a critical factor with the galleys. The
> Olympias
> > had leather gaskets that were fastened around the lower oars by
> means
> > of lashings. The vessel stayed drier than they had expected, this
>
> > allowed them to cautiously push the envelope a bit more.
> > Of course we know about the numerous Roman fleets that
> were
> > lost to storms. Many on the south coast of Sicily. Poor
> seamanship
> > was the telling factor in these cases, in my opinion. There are
> times
> > when you should just stay in port. The demands of war added to
> the
> > bad decisions (we gotta get There Son!), but the human factor was
> > there.
> > Capabilities: The types of ships varied as did the
> > capabilities. And, of course, there are the various categories of
>
> > capabilities. Speed, under oar and under sail. Seakeeping.
> Combat
> > abilities -- number of troups carried and types. Number of crew
> and
> > their quality. Endurance. I'm going to pass on this one. I'm
> just
> > not up to a dissertation =({[;-)
> >
> > > Also if anyone
> > > might know if their chain of command would have used written
> orders
> > > or
> > > verbal commands when giving assignments to ships. Basicly I was
>
> > > wondering if Caesar would have given a verbal command to one of
> his
> > > captains or if he would send a written order via a courier. One
>
> has
> > > to
> > > wonder if we have the Romans to thank for military paperwork as
> > > well?
> >
> > The Romans were not only literate, they were big on putting things
>
> in
> > writing, and there is the fact that the expanse covered by a
> fleet,
> > and many of the fleets were monstrous in size, would necessitate
> > written orders. Okay, I'm using a lot of supposition here. Here
> it
> > is for what it's worth. Signal flags are only so much use, even
> > before the smoke of burning ships obscures things. Signals would
> be
> > used while they could. It seems individual ships' commanders'
> > initiative had some play. Some of the formations in the Greek
> battles
> > were innovative, which indicates planning, drill and
> communication,
> at
> > least before the action was joined. A lot of the communication
> would
> > have been before the action. The High Commander's orders in the
> > course of battle would have weight, but there is the factor of
> anybody
> > being able to know what he wanted. At Actium the plans of both
> sides
> > were determined before the battle. Once it was joined it was
> > basically a grand melee. This is not far from what the land
> battles
> > were like. But if Caesar said do such and such, those who heard
> him
> > would do it. A courier might be able to reach farther, but the
> > dispatch boat would not be able to effectively communicate with
> more
> > than a few ships. The Romans might well have been the originators
>
> of
> > military paperwork, but battle orders would be limited by the
> physical
> > restrictions of the limitations of the battlefield communications
> of
> > that technology level. On the sea and on land. It always is.
> >
> > > I eagerly await a reply. I can be reached privately at
> > > rmorache@--------
> > > Blessed Be,
> > > Brian Morache
> >
> > I hope this helps some. At the least, I hope the cc'ing I did
> will
> > shake loose some better information for you.
> >
> > Di Deaque te ament.
> > Bene Vale.
> > Caius Aelius Ericius.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Nova Roman Navy |
| From: |
Razenna <razenna@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 Jun 2000 10:45:06 -0700 |
|
I found my addressing mistake to Morache. My mistake. I've corrected
it and resent that person the second post, the one with the links.
The first post was addressed correctly. Now that person should have
two copies of the first one and one of the second one. The links in
the second one include the links I just posted to this list -- so
there is no need to forward that to them. Is this muddy enough?
Ericius.
Sepia Senex.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] In the latest Explorator |
| From: |
Marcus Papirius Justus <papirius@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 11 Jun 2000 14:50:30 -0600 |
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Items of interest from my newsletter:
OLD WORLD NEWS
The Independent reports on some metal detector types' discovery of a rather
major Roman coin hoard:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/UK/This_Britain/2000-06/roman100600.shtml
The Age has a report on the discovery of a Roman era vessel decorated with
tons of gladiator scenes (thanks to Martin Wallace for the heads up):
http://www.theage.com.au/news/20000611/A54936-2000Jun10.html
Frankfurther Allgemeine has an article by Paul Zanker on the Imperial fora
(this one's in English, but has a scary wrap)(thanks to Birgitta Hoffmann
for the heads up):
http://www.faz.com/IN/INtemplates/eFAZ/docmain.asp?sub={F1B72E51-3783-11D4-A3AA-009027BA22E4}&doc={97397035-33E2-11D4-A3AA-009027BA22E4}
L'Hebdo (a Swiss newspaper) has an article (in French) on the suggestion
that a bust of Marcus Aurelius might be Julian (thanks to Sally Winchester
for the heads up):
http://www.webdo.ch/hebdo/hebdo_2000/hebdo_23/rome3_23.html
(the article doesn't include a photo of the bust, but there's one at
http://www.lausanne.ch/musees/archeo.htm
CLASSICISTS' CORNER
An interesting article on what Virgil might inspire someone to do:
http://live.altavista.com/scripts/editorial.dll?ei=1881656&ern=y
A piece in the Dallas Morning News has an interesting comment on Latin:
http://dallasnews.com/lifestyles/books/92842_FW11.html
The Montreal Gazette has a piece on why Latin used to be useful (which is
not the conventional view) and what has replaced it:
http://www.montrealgazette.com:80/editorial/pages/000604/4218615.html
FOLLOWUPS
More on the discoveries in Abukir Bay:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/415945.asp
http://www.iht.com:80/IHT/TODAY/TUE/IN/cities.2.html
http://abcnews.go.com:80/sections/science/DailyNews/turkish_city000605.html
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk:80/news/pages/tim/2000/06/05/timfgnmid02002.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Africa/2000-06/frozen050600.shtml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000405944438668&rtmo=wAjwstAb&atmo=hhhhhhhe&pg=/et/00/6/5/warc05.html
As for Zeugma, there are a couple of good things to say ... there has been
a reprieve of ten days or so given to the inundation of the lower city; in
addition, there is going to be a massive excavation effort in the upper
city, which won't be under water until October or thereabouts:
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk:80/news/pages/tim/2000/06/06/timfgneur02002.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_784000/784673.stm
http://www.msnbc.com/news/413949.asp
SAGAS
More Elgin Marbles stuff (some editorial -- watch the wrap on the Telegraph
pieces):
http://www.post-gazette.com:80/forum/20000608edelgin3.asp
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk:80/news/pages/tim/2000/06/09/timpolpol01003.html
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk:80/news/pages/tim/2000/06/06/timnwsnws02011.html
http://www.sunday-times.co.uk:80/news/pages/tim/2000/06/05/timfgneur02005.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000405944438668&rtmo=QxzQ9Q0R&atmo=99999999&pg=/et/00/6/9/nelg09.html
BOOK REVIEWS
Also in Frankfurter Allgemeine (and in English) is a review of Accardo et
al *Marc Aurel. Der Reiter auf dem Kapitol* (again, watch the wrap) (again,
thanks to Birgitta Hoffmann for the heads up):
http://www.faz.com/IN/INtemplates/eFAZ/docmain.asp?sub={F1B72E98-3783-11D4-A3AA-009027BA22E4}&doc={715C656A-3963-11D4-B98C-009027BA226C}
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MATRALIA Mater Matutae
Dies Religiosus
DIES NEFASTI. This is a day when no legal action or public voting can
take place.
MATRALIA is the Festival of Mothers and is held in honor of Mater
Matuta, an ancient Italic Goddess worshipped in many places in Central
Italia. She was a Goddess of the Dawn, and as a Virgin Goddess She
gave birth before the Dawn. Mater Matuta had a temple in the Forum
Boarium she was closely associated with Fortuna, who also had a temple
dedicated on the same day. Among other things Mater Matuta was
concerned with childbearing. Her statue could only be decorated by
the wife of a first marriage (univira).
FORTUNA
Today is also Her temple's day from its founding in 540 a.u.c..
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According to the ancient Greek tradition today is when Troy fell.
Hence it is when Aeneas began his wanderings which ended in Italia, in
Latium, where he founded a colony which led to the founding of Roma.
Di Deaque te bene ament.
C. Aelius Ericius.
Pontifex. Augur.
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