| Subject: |
[novaroma] Primordia |
| From: |
Piscinus@-------- |
| Date: |
Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:10:45 EDT |
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Salvete Quirites
Mille Gazia M. Attilius Regulus
Posted to the message board by Attilius Regulus is a list of books he has
recommended related to Archaic Italy and the founding of Rome.
Regule has also spoken with me in the Forum about a very important recent
find on the Palatine of a wall predating Rome. The stone wall is laid
directly on the earth without footers. This precludes the wall of being of
Roman construction, and also of the possibility that it was meant as a
defensive structure. I gather from what else Regule said that it far too
small to be considered part of a building. What that means is the likely
possibility of a pomerium. A pomerium is a sacred area divdied out from the
rest of an area by a low enclosure wall. If this is true then what has been
found is the earliest known sacred structure on the Palatine Hill.
In other parts of Italy there have been found the various inscriptions
written in Umbro-Oscan that refer to similar pomeria. One of Regule's
recommended books is on the Iguvinian Table which relates a sacrifice to
Jupiter. The Cippus Abellanus, erected in 183 bce, designates an arbitration
settlement made by a Roman magistrate between two Samnite cities, Abellanus
and Nuvlans (Nola), with reference to a pomerium Sanctuary to Hercules. The
third inscription is the Agnone Table that indicates the various ritual sites
inside a pomerium designated as the "Garden of Ceres." A Palatine pomerium,
relative to these other sites, designates the Italic portion of the origin of
the religio romana.
I have not found any information on this pomerium available as of yet.
Regule is looking to provide more information. If anyone, however, is
interested in the period we are considering here, you might try <A
HREF="http://www.shef.ac.uk/~assem/4/">assemblage, no. 4</A> . In different
parts of Lazio the transition from the Iron Age culture of the Villanovans is
either abrupt or transitional. In the area of northern Lazio and Rome the
transition was abrupt, taking place about the time of the founding of the
Republic. But in the more southerly region of the Lepine foothills, on which
this website has an article, there is found more of a continuity extending
into a much later period.
Valete
M. Attilius Regulus et Gn. Moravius Piscinus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Roma Vetus |
| From: |
Radar <correus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 12 Jun 2000 12:34:47 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve!
I have found a site I thought you might enjoy.
www.romavetus.com
Let me know what you think and if any of you have
more information.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: For those that are intrested.... |
| From: |
"Jennifer harris" <fionaerin@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 03:51:42 -0000 |
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-Salve Iulius Titinus,
Sorry my delayed response, but I've been a little busy. Please
forgive thee. In response to your post send me a little more info
and I'll look into it. Also I hope when this whole thing is up and
running I hope to see you on the list.
Vale your fellow poetry lover
Aeternia Draconia
-- In novaroma@--------, StarWreck@a... wrote:
> Salvete Vado et Aeternia Draconia,
>
> I actually hadn't planned on mentioning this... this not having
anything to
> do with Nova Roma or Ancient Rome. A number of poems which I have
written
> are being published by the International Library of Poetry in a
book called
> "Time after Time" its Library of Congress ID is ISBN-1-5-58235-142-
2 ...its a
> very big book of poetry. I doubt that anyone plans to buy it, but
if anyone
> does drop me a line.
>
> Vale
>
> Iulius Titinius
>
> << A few of us have inflicted poetry on this list in the past, and
for the
> most
> part been politely ignored.
> I think a poetry list would be nice, tho' I should imagine it
would be
> fairly small and quiet. About a year ago (I think it was) a few
cives
> started a Latin literature list, but since they intended to begin
with De
> Bello Gallico I gave it a miss to start with, but never followed up
> afterward. I don't know if it's still in existence. If it is,
perhaps
> classical poetry will have a home there, ready-made. Me, I'm all
for
> anything to increase Humanitas, and I am very fond of the Greek
and Latin
> poetry I know. I would enjoy reading some more without having to
go to the
> bibliotheca and stretch my borrowing limit impossibly. But I
confess I'm not
> so fond of the modern derivative, neo-classical stuff, though I
find Graves,
> Powell, Logue, Walcott and Vado outstanding exceptions...:-)
> >>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Improved Link to the Bumpersticker |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson <amgunn@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:59:07 -0500 |
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Avete Omnes,
Venii scripsit -
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Roman Days |
| From: |
Correus <correus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 06:37:14 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve!
> Merlinia, who has long experience in cooking
> for crowds...>>>
I would like to meat this lady! Sounds like we
have some things in common.
> I hope she
> will consent to grace us
> with recipes and information on her work,...>>
I agree!!
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Pompeia re Roman Days- |
| From: |
"susan brett" <scriba_forum@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:47:14 GMT |
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Salvete Omnes:
I just wanted to post to tell everyone what a wonderful time I had at Roman
Days. It was a very positive, inspiring weekend...I really connected with
what I shall call "My Roman Roots".
I have always had an unexplained affinity to Roman culture, history,
military, literature and various philosophies since I was a kid. I am very
gratified to be able to share these things with others of like mind.
The displays, artifacts, fashions, armour, weaponry etc. were
"out of this world"....no pun intended!!!
Meeting other Nova Romani in person was a real treat, as was visiting with
the members of the three Legios in attendance. I am going to save my
denarii for next year's Roman Days.
I took a few pictures (72!). Senator Cincinnatus was the only person who
seemingly knew how to open the latch of my camera to change the film (it was
sticking)..so he kept the thing loaded with fresh film for me. Thanks,
Senator.
I would like to thank Merlinia Ambrosia, Patricia Cassia and Pontifex Marcus
Cassius, for providing me with transportation to and from the site, and to
the Metro. I felt so welcome. We met Sunday night for a great Chinese
buffet at a restaurant in Lanham, Maryland- (thanks, Pontifex Cassius!).
We shared a drop of Falernian wine afterward at the hotel. Monday we met
for breakfast before we went our separate ways.
Merlinia's Roman cuisine was succulent...she is the most organized person in
the world, I think!
All in all, a Magnus experience......I encourage you to take it
in...especially if you are reasonably close to Maryland.
Valete,
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Improved Link to the Bumpersticker |
| From: |
Correus <correus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 07:07:15 -0700 (PDT) |
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HELP!!!
I have been trying the following adress and it
keeps saying I am not a member of Nova Roma!
Talk about being given the cold shoulder. LOL LOL
LOL
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Improved Link to the Bumpersticker |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:11:12 -0500 (CDT) |
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> I have been trying the following adress and it
> keeps saying I am not a member of Nova Roma!
>
> Talk about being given the cold shoulder. LOL LOL
I suspect you need to first log in from the egroups main page to establish
your identity. After that, a token establishing your authorization (in
the form of an HTTP "cookie") will be stored in your web browser, enabling
you to call up such URLs at will in the future.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Bumper stickers, again |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:27:56 -0000 |
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My apologies to those who've had trouble, and my thanks to Marcus
Octavius for his assistance!
To make this easier, I've posted another copy of the image at
http://www.imperiumarts.com/bumpersticker.gif
The finished products are 3.75 inches high, 7.5 inches wide. Again,
they're $1 apiece or six for $5, with 50 cents added for postage on
mail orders. (Add a bit more if you're ordering more than six.)
Proceeds go to Nova Roma and to Nova Britannia Province.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Ave, Cn. Moravius Piscinus |
| From: |
"susan brett" <scriba_forum@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:52:04 GMT |
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Salvete Cn. Moravius Piscinus et al:
Piscinus, you have been adopted into a wonderful gens; you will doubtless
find being part of Moravia a very enjoyable and enlightening experience.
I am sure you will offer much to the gens; you are a very learned and
visioned individual, as is your Pater, Nicholas Moravius Vado.
I have had the privilege of talking with Nicholas Moravius many times..he is
a Magnus Roman.
My best, as always :)
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Improved Link to the Bumpersticker |
| From: |
cassius622@-------- |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 12:16:16 EDT |
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Salve,
In order to get to the files in Egroups, you first have to "log in" by giving
them your *full* Email address and your password (the one you had to give
them to get onto the list in the first place!). Perhaps not the most
convenient system, but it works.
Hopefully we'll soon have a website page up about the stickers, in the
Macellum.
Vale,
Marcus Cassius Julianus
In a message dated 6/14/00 7:08:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
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<< HELP!!!
I have been trying the following adress and it
keeps saying I am not a member of Nova Roma!
Talk about being given the cold shoulder. LOL LOL
LOL
>>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Improved Link to the Bumpersticker |
| From: |
Correus <correus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:41:00 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve!
Okay - so in other words; if I want to "click" an
address (that ties in with the egroup site) that
is in an email, I have to be logged into e-groups
first?
That means I would need to be logged into egroups
at all times in case someone sends out an address
in an email.
Okay - no problem.
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Re: [novaroma] Pompeia re Roman Days- |
| From: |
Correus <correus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 09:49:02 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve!
In a post by Pompeia Cornelia Strabo:
> I really connected with
> what I shall call "My Roman Roots".
>
> I have always had an unexplained affinity to
> Roman culture, history,
> military, literature and various philosophies
> since I was a kid. I am very
> gratified to be able to share these things with
> others of like mind. >>
I could not have worded this better! These are
my sentiments also.
Needing an attachment to "MY Roman Roots" in a
more active way is what prompted me to seek
citizenship. I am grateful for having been
deemed worthy enough to become part of you.
In gratitude,
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Senatus consulta and Latin files at Latinitas |
| From: |
"C Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:05:22 -0400 |
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Salvete Omnes
I just uploaded unofficial Latin translations of three Senatus consulta to
the Latinitas e-mail list's file area. If nothing else, they are samples of
work in Latin composition. I invite Nova Romans who enjoy conversing and/or
writing in Latin to sign up to that list and consider joining the Sodalitas
Latinitatis, which we hope to have up and running within a month or so,
pending approval of the Senate of Nova Roma.
I understand that the official, English versions of the Sentus consulta will
be posted in the Tabularium within the next few days.
Valete
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Senatus consulta and Latin files at Latinitas |
| From: |
Correus <correus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:20:42 -0700 (PDT) |
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Correus Appius Iulianus to C Marius Merullus -
Salve!
> I invite Nova
> Romans who enjoy conversing and/or
> writing in Latin...>>
I wish I could. I had one semester of Latin in
college and did not do well. However, I am
wanting to take classes again (or find a tutor).
Do you know of any on-line tutors or classes that
are any good?
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Sodalis pro Coqueror et Coquus |
| From: |
Correus <correus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 10:52:48 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve!
I have noticed that there is a Society for
Brewers and Cooks (I looked at the charter and
bylaws).
Can anyone tell me more about this group?
How many members are there?
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] New Addition to NR Web Ring |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:54:01 +0200 |
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Salvete Omnes!
As Paterfamilias of the Gens Apollonia, I am happy and proud to
announce that our Gens web site has just been added to the Nova Roma Web
Ring. We would like to urge everyone interested to come and take a look
at our Gens. You can find us on the Ring or directly at
http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/
I was rather surprised that so few sites (19) are registered on the
Nova Roma Ring, and I would encourage other Nova Roman cives and gentes
to make use of this resource, which makes our presence on the Net
stronger and makes it easier for people like us to find Roman resources
in a causal and enjoyable way.
Welcome and Valete!
M. Apollonius Formosanus,
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Improved Link to the Bumpersticker |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:30:52 -0500 (CDT) |
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> That means I would need to be logged into egroups
> at all times in case someone sends out an address
> in an email.
No -- the cookie is persistent. If you log in, then shut down the browser,
disconnect & reconnect your network link, and go back into egroups, it'll
remember that you're authenticated.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Egroups help was Re: Improved Link to the Bumpersticker |
| From: |
"C Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:39:53 -0400 |
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Salvete Corre Appi et alii
Egroups seems to be having problems. Send an e-mail to their help desk
support@--------
Valete
C Marius Merullus
>
>I have been trying the following adress and it
>keeps saying I am not a member of Nova Roma!
>
>Talk about being given the cold shoulder. LOL LOL
>LOL
>
>
>http://www.egroups.com/files/novaroma/Graphics/smallsticker.gif
>
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[novaroma] Re: New Addition to NR Web Ring |
| From: |
"Jennifer Harris" <fionaerin@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 18:58:38 -0000 |
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---Salve Formosanus,
I have just visted your site, quite interesting. This is the first
time I've even looked at webring. I hope to visting other sites on it
soon when I have time. I've also had another brainstorm idea, perhaps
I'll share it with you. When I feel it can be more developed and will
benefit Nova Roma. Well I'm done with this segement of babbling,
thanks again for listening.
Vale,
The Impish
Aeternia Draconia
In novaroma@--------, "M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes!
>
> As Paterfamilias of the Gens Apollonia, I am happy and proud to
> announce that our Gens web site has just been added to the Nova
Roma Web
> Ring. We would like to urge everyone interested to come and take a
look
> at our Gens. You can find us on the Ring or directly at
> http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/
>
> I was rather surprised that so few sites (19) are registered on
the
> Nova Roma Ring, and I would encourage other Nova Roman cives and
gentes
> to make use of this resource, which makes our presence on the Net
> stronger and makes it easier for people like us to find Roman
resources
> in a causal and enjoyable way.
>
> Welcome and Valete!
>
> M. Apollonius Formosanus,
> Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Latin courses was Senatus consulta and Latin files at Latinitas |
| From: |
"C Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:57:51 -0400 |
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Salvete Corre Appi et alii
However, I am
>wanting to take classes again (or find a tutor).
>Do you know of any on-line tutors or classes that
>are any good?
Part of what we are seeking to do with the Sodalitas Latinitatis is provide
free, online courses in the name of Nova Roma to anyone and everyone who is
interested. But, it is going to be at least a couple of months (probably
more) before even the simplest lesson is ready -- we aren't even approved by
the Senate yet. I hope that you'll still be interested when we do get our
act together.
In the meantime, if you're anxious enough to get started that you wouldn't
mind paying a fee, another civis, M Papirius Iustus, has an online course.
You can check that out at
http://web.idirect.com/~atrium/learnlatin/learnlatin.html
I studied Latin in a brick-and-mortar school :) and unfortunately can't
attest to the quality of Iustus' or anyone else's online courses.
Whatever you decide to do, you should consider subscribing to
latinitas@-------- You'll be able to get help and "ad hoc tutoring" of
sorts from a variety of people who are either studying, like you, or are
advanced enough in the language to teach it, or in between.
Valete
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Latin courses was Senatus consulta and Latin files at Latinitas |
| From: |
Correus <correus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 13:37:42 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve C Marius Merullus
Thank you for your help. However, a few minutes
after I posted this e-mail I found an on-line
study guide complete with exercises, tests, etc.
I found it while going through the Nova Roma
webring. I saved it to my favorites, but can't
find it now!
> I hope that you'll still be
> interested when we do get our
> act together. >>
I will!
> In the meantime, if you're anxious enough to
> get started that you wouldn't
> mind paying a fee, another civis, M Papirius
> Iustus, has an online course.
> You can check that out at
>
http://web.idirect.com/~atrium/learnlatin/learnlatin.html
>>
I will check into it
> Whatever you decide to do, you should consider
> subscribing to
> latinitas@-------- >>
I will look into this also.
I would really like to get back into Latin so
that I can use it more often with this group. It
would also help while doing research!
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Latin courses was Senatus consulta and Latin files at Latinitas |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:25:06 -0000 |
|
Merullus writes:
> However, I am
> >wanting to take classes again (or find a tutor).
> >Do you know of any on-line tutors or classes that
> >are any good?
Simply because one of the authors is a friend, I have read "Latin for
People" by Nicholas and Alexander Humez, and recommend it for its
combination of real learning and a lighthearted approach. You won't
be fully fluent at the end of it, but you'll understand the basics of
the language and how it works. Plus you'll know a couple of
good "bear-walked-into-a-bar" jokes in Latin...
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Latin courses was Senatus consulta and Latin files at Latinitas |
| From: |
Correus <correus@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 14:31:54 -0700 (PDT) |
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Patricia Cassia
> Simply because one of the authors is a friend,
> I have read "Latin for
> People" by Nicholas and Alexander Humez,...>>
Many Thanks!
May the gods smile on you.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Primordia |
| From: |
"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:52:34 +0100 |
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Quiritibus salutem
Scripsit Piscinus:
> Regule has also spoken with me in the Forum about a very important
recent
> find on the Palatine of a wall predating Rome. The stone wall is laid
> directly on the earth without footers. This precludes the wall of being
of
> Roman construction, and also of the possibility that it was meant as a
> defensive structure. I gather from what else Regule said that it far too
> small to be considered part of a building. What that means is the likely
> possibility of a pomerium.
This is exciting indeed! My thanks to Piscinus and Regulus for making this
known. Some immediate questions arise in my mind:
i. What shape is it?
ii. Can the original height be inferred from the width of the remains?
<AMPUTATIO>
>A Palatine pomerium,
> relative to these other sites, designates the Italic portion of the origin
of
> the religio romana.
Two more questions:
iii. Could this be the very wall built by Romulus Quirinus, which Remus
leaped over (and died as a result of this demonstration of contempt)? Could
his death have been a case of capital punishment for sacrilege? (to borrow
Schliemann's 'face of Agamemnon' idiom).
iv. Have any contemporary artefacts or deposits been discovered within the
pomerium?
> I have not found any information on this pomerium available as of yet.
> Regule is looking to provide more information.
Agite! :-D
> If anyone, however, is
> interested in the period we are considering here, you might try <A
> HREF="http://www.shef.ac.uk/~assem/4/">assemblage, no. 4</A> .
Excellent site. Thank you.
The Cippus Abellanus inscription, and the adjudication it records, brings to
mind the hypothesis made by Martin Henig, Miranda Green and others that in
Gaul and Britain major (pre-Roman)temple sites, presumably of tribal
significance, tended to straddle political/territorial boundaries, often on
roads (which, like temenoi/pomeria, defined
boundaries/ingress/egress/between different 'worlds' and were, ipso facto,
sacrosanct).
Vah!
Vado.
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