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[novaroma] Fw: ancient roman music |
| From: |
"Gaius Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 16 Jun 2000 23:15:17 -0400 |
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Salvete
I hope that someone who attended Roman Days can answer this person's
question. Neither of the censores could this year, boo-hoo.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
Censor Suffectus
-----Original Message-----
From: SheilaBSL@-------- <SheilaBSL@-------->
To: censors@-------- <censors@-------->
Date: Friday, June 16, 2000 10:32 PM
Subject: ancient roman music
:Ave,
: I am Titus Valerius Regulus of Legio III Gallica. I recently attended
:the Roman Days festival and lost the name of the CD which was playing
ancient
:Roman music at one of the demonstration booths. Si placet, e-mail the
:information of the title, group, and distributor so that I may purchase it.
:
: Gratius tibi algo,
:
: SheilaBSL@--------
:
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Fw: ancient roman music |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:27:36 -0000 |
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> I recently attended
> :the Roman Days festival and lost the name of the CD which was
playing
> ancient
> :Roman music at one of the demonstration booths.
It was by Synaulia and is called "Music of Ancient Rome." It's
certainly an interesting effort and worth owning if you're into Rome
and music, but some of their musical decisions seem a bit odd to me;
as
I've said before, the ancient Romans were a practical people and I
think they'd have wanted something with a beat that you could dance
to.
If anyone out there can read modern notation and would like to try
some
reasonable representations of Roman music, I've included two pieces
at
the site for our wedding (http://www.janeraeburn.com/wedding/
music.html).
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Salting of Carthage |
| From: |
Marcus Papirius Justus <papirius@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 17 Jun 2000 09:06:38 -0600 |
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Salve(te),
Here's an excerpt from a "golden thread" I'm putting together for my
website -- I actually wrote this to the Classics list a year or so ago. The
whole 'salting of Carthage' thing is actually a myth which has caught
scholars' imaginations because it was actually incorporated (on little
foundation) into the Cambridge Ancient History and so into practically
every textbook on Roman history for the past three generations:
The two important articles on this are:
R.T.Ridley, "To Be Taken With a Pinch of Salt: The Destruction of Carthage"
CP 81 (1986), 140-146 which notes it doesn't occur in any ancient source
and goes back further than the CAH to Pope Boniface VIII
B.H.Warmington, "The Destruction of Carthage: A Retractio" CP 83 *1988),
308-310 in which the author of *Carthage* adds some details which give
'semisources' for Boniface, many of which include the plough, but not the
salt (being a legal type, I am partial to the only reference to Carthage in
the Digest: 7.4.21; other refs gathered by Nisbet and Hubbard in their
Commentary on Horace's Odes p. 213). The salt ref seems traceable to
Judges 9.45.
In any event, the sowing of Carthage did make it into the CAH and then
received the ipse dixit treatment for well over a generation by classical
scholars and layfolk and I'm sure it is but one example of myriads of this
phenomenon in our discipline.
[for those not into scholarly abbreviations, CP is the journal Classical
Philology; CAH, of course, it the Cambridge Ancient History]
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Fw: ancient roman music |
| From: |
StarWreck@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:32:19 EDT |
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The Ancient Romans were very superstitious people, they considered music with
a "Foot Stompin Beat" to be evil... Stomping your feet on the ground was a
considered to be a way to invoke the underworld spirits.
In a message dated 6/17/00 8:34:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
pjane@-------- writes:
<< I
think they'd have wanted something with a beat that you could dance
to. >>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Deities Who preside over sexual relations/birthing/puberty rites |
| From: |
"L=?ISO-8859-1?B?7Q==?=s Shokatsu" <albia@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 17 Jun 2000 15:10:47 -0700 |
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Salvete Omnis,
Antonius Gryllus Graecus wrote:
(attn: this
only applies for heterosexual couples, no discrimination being intended):
- Jugatinus presides to the union between man and woman.
- Cinxia and Virginensies expose the waist of the woman.
- Subigus gives the woman to the man....etc...
Not only is this exclusive of all forms of sexual relations-as pointed out-,
is it not just a tad over paternalistic also?:)
If Nova Roma is to live up to it's "Nova" part, shouldn't some adaptations
be made to such rites?
Can they not be updated to include all forms of loving sexual realations and
a more equal perspective for hetrosexual relations as well - with the
acknowledgement that not all sexual relations are for the sole purpose of
procreation? Perhaps a more "tantric" form could be embraced by Nova Roma?
Just the bold suggestion of a novice -
The birthing rites information have been most informative - thank you,
however, I would like a little more information on:
Antonius Gryllus Graecus wrote:
"...the violence of Silvanus" - what is this in reference to?
"you should hang some strips of cloth as an ex-voto" - what is an ex-voto?
"The mother or syster of the mother should embrace the child and rub the
forehead and the lips of the child with her finger impregnated of salive in
order to protect the child from the burning of "bad-eye" (is it correct in
English?)" - sorry, I don't know what salive (saliva?) is or the "bad-eye"
(evil eye?) - since I am such a novice - I assume nothing:)
"Iuno Lucina is offered a coin (originally on the temple of the Esquilin
Hill) if the child is male" - what is the menaing behind this and why is it
only for males? are not females precious to Nova Roma also? (see above: re -
updating rites)
"the child
must be purified and the name is given." - how is the purification done?
" - Rumina helps the child to have the mother's tit." - umm, may I update
this to "to latch on the mother's breast"? in order to pass this information
on?:)
ALSO:
Is there any information on what god to invoke when there are physical
problems? like pigeon toedness, knock-kneed,sleep problems or jaundice,
etc... and morals/values/virtues/study habits - all things associated with
typical problems of youth.
I am also particularily interested in puberty rites. The information posted
by Marcus Papirius Justus regarding "17-iuvenis" was a good start , but I am
not sure how to relate the toga information to present day recontruction -
since my son does not wear a toga, and is not like to be excited about the
prospect of donning one even for ritual purposes:) - I would like take adapt
this to a modern day approach - perhaps some form of body adornment or
jewelry could be used? like a youth being aloud to wear a piece of jewelry
that formly belonged to a parent/grnadparent/etcc - both me and my partner
for example celebrated our entance into adulthood with the permission to
pierce our ears, and the presentation of jewelry - he a watch of his
father's, me a ring of my grandmother's.
If anything I have asked of here has already been addressed, I apologise,
but would appreciate a link to the relevent post or archive.
Bene Valete,
O==(==============>
Tertia Albia Caesia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Clades Variana - The Varus Disaster Movie |
| From: |
"Tim O'Neill" <scatha@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:13:36 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes,
I am currently beginning some research into the Battle of the
Teutoburger Wald and the loss of Varus' legions for the purposes of
writing a screenplay based on this story. The idea is to avoid the
cartoon-version of history presented in many Hollywood movies (even
the immensely enjoyable 'Gladiator') and attempt to present a
genuinely interesting story with fascinating characters and action in
a highly accurate manner.
The project's home can be found at
http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Salon/2385/varus.html
(apologies - there's not much there just yet) but I want to link to a
number of historical discussion fora so I can ask questions and get
help with the fine details.
Any information, preferably of the more obscure sort, about Varus,
Arminius or the Varian Disaster would be greatly appreciated.
Suggestions, comments and feedback is also very welcome.
Cheers,
Tim O'Neill
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Clades Variana - The Varus Disaster Movie |
| From: |
Marcus Papirius Justus <papirius@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:42:01 -0600 |
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Salve(te),
An important webpage from a 'page in progress' at my own site (there are
actually quite a few websites on the Teutoburger Wald thing, every single
one of them in German):
Students from Osnabreuck have put together a very nice site dealing with
the archaeological evidence (in German, but with some excellent photos):
http://www.geschichte.uni-osnabrueck.de/projekt/start.html
mpj
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