| Subject: |
[novaroma] Resurrexit Sicut Dixit... |
| From: |
acadianusdraco@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:43:50 EDT |
|
Salvete Omnes,
Well, Draco is back, more or less (or some might say, "too much"). Sorry for
the long absence, and for the very brief note. A friend has been diligently
squirrelling away my e-mails for the past several weeks, and I have to review
all the NR and Latinitas archives...thus you should continue to enjoy a
delicious silence on my part for a few more days. :o) But after that...
I've missed you all and look forward to seeing what I've missed. Now I must
attack the electronic paperwork.
Interim, valete omnes, et omnia optima vobiscum,
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 902 |
| From: |
Heather Moore <misenla@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:18:03 -0400 |
|
>
>Hallo, Mr. O´Neill.
>
>When I take a look on your email, I think your project will be an
>interesting one. I´m glad that you want to make your movie historically
>accurate. I hope also that this is meant also for the appearance of the
>roman soldiers.
>
>The Website of the University of Osnabrück (my fellow citizen metioned it)
>is also highly recommended by me. I also recommend the study of Marcus
>Junkelmanns book "Die Legionen des Augustus". There the numbers of the
>legions, which were wiped out, are listened. Also you can get an idea how
>the roman legionary looked like.
>
>Please feel free to mail me directly, if you have further questions.
>
>Vale
>Caius Flavius Diocletianus
>Legatus Germaniae
>
>Tim O'Neill schrieb:
>
** snip discussion of Tim O'Neill's fascinating script project **
Another truth-based story which would be fascinating would be a movie based
on the tragedy of Julia Domna, which certainly has enough bite and pathos
to rival the history of Joan of Arc, or any Arthurian legend.
Imagine the Syrian princesses becoming involved with the government of
their absentee rulers simply through a fortune teller's frittery
prediction, then the eldest sister making herself attractive and capable
enough to rule through her husband, only to have everything come tumbling
down in a landslide through the treachery of her sons. There's almost a
King Lear parallel with Julia Domna.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Resurrexit Sicut Dixit... |
| From: |
"Rick Brett" <trog99@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:29:38 PDT |
|
Salve, Acadianus Draco:
Welcome back. I figured you were just busy dealing with an unforseen 'blitz'
of orders for your world-famous Pizza and Pea Soup :)!!!
Vale!
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
>From: acadianusdraco@--------
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Resurrexit Sicut Dixit...
>Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 23:43:50 EDT
>
>Salvete Omnes,
>
>Well, Draco is back, more or less (or some might say, "too much"). Sorry
>for
>the long absence, and for the very brief note. A friend has been
>diligently
>squirrelling away my e-mails for the past several weeks, and I have to
>review
>all the NR and Latinitas archives...thus you should continue to enjoy a
>delicious silence on my part for a few more days. :o) But after that...
>
>I've missed you all and look forward to seeing what I've missed. Now I
>must
>attack the electronic paperwork.
>
>Interim, valete omnes, et omnia optima vobiscum,
>
>Acadianus Draco
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Sodalitas Egressus (Outreach Sodalitas) |
| From: |
Correus <correus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:33:43 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve Civites!
> Provincia__________________________________
Perhaps I am lost. I know not from which
provincia I hail.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Pea Soup!!!??!!! |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:45:16 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salvete, Omnes;
My gosh, how did I miss that??? Pizza I can take or leave, but "__Pea
Soup__"--Wow!!!!!!"
Send an immediate gallon by return mail if you please--and then put the
kettle on again, as I can guarantee return orders.
First a source for Falernian Wine and now a source for "__Pea Soup__", I
am sure that Baachus must be smiling upon me!!!
Valete, Respectfully;
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Sodalitas Egressus (Outreach Sodalitas) |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:48:23 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salve, Correus;
If you will tel us what regio (state) that you live in, then maybe we
can find you :-) :-)
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Sodalitas Egressus (Outreach Sodalitas) |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 05:09:33 -0700 |
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Salve....
I already got him that info. :)
Sulla Felix
jmath669642reng@-------- wrote:
> Salve, Correus;
>
> If you will tel us what regio (state) that you live in, then maybe we
> can find you :-) :-)
>
> Vale, Respectfully;
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Sodalitas Egressus (Outreach Sodalitas) |
| From: |
Correus <correus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:53:11 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve!
Please count me among your group.
Citizen Name: Correus Appius Iulianus
Provincia: Upper Midwest
Email Address: correus@--------
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Re: [novaroma] Sodalitas Egressus (Outreach Sodalitas) |
| From: |
Correus <correus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 06:57:45 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve!
Lucius Cornelius Sulla has all ready pointed my
to the Upper Midwest region. I am in the
Wichita/Belle Plaine area of Kansas, USA
Correus Appius
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> Salve, Correus;
>
> If you will tel us what regio (state) that you
> live in, then maybe we
> can find you :-) :-)
>
> Vale, Respectfully;
> Marcus Audens
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem XIII Kalendas Quinctilis (June 19th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:59:20 +0100 |
|
Salvete omnes
This is one of the dies comitiales (C), when committees of citizens can vote
on political or criminal matters.
Today is the last day of the feast of Minerva. The celebrations take place
on Her temple on the Aventine Hill.
I also remind that Iunius is the month of Iuno, month of the young
(iuuenes).
Pax Deorum vobiscum
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Fw: ancient roman music |
| From: |
Correus <correus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:10:51 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve!
Perhaps I am looking in the wrong area. Could
anyone tell me where to find the following:
> It was by Synaulia and is called "Music of
> Ancient Rome."
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Re: [novaroma] Re: Fw: ancient roman music |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:17:37 +0100 |
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Salvete
>> It was by Synaulia and is called "Music of
>> Ancient Rome."
In my humble opinion (and of many others in fact) Synaulia is not very
realistic. Roman music would be much more melodic, just like ancient greek
music. During the Empire oriental influence was also likely to have occured.
So, my advice is for you to by good records of reproductions of ancient
greek music. Tomorrow I'll bring more info.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Fw: ancient roman music |
| From: |
Correus <correus@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 07:29:34 -0700 (PDT) |
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Salve!
> So, my advice is for you to by good records of
> reproductions of ancient
> greek music. Tomorrow I'll bring more info.>>
I all ready have some. Along with Ancient
Egyptian temple music.
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[novaroma] Re: Fw: ancient roman music |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:54:34 -0000 |
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--- In novaroma@--------, StarWreck@a... wrote:
> The Ancient Romans were very superstitious people, they considered
music with
> a "Foot Stompin Beat" to be evil... Stomping your feet on the
ground was a
> considered to be a way to invoke the underworld spirits.
I've never heard of this superstition. Can you point me toward a
source
for more information about it?
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Deities Who preside over sexual relations/birthing/puberty rites |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:02:14 -0000 |
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> "The mother or syster of the mother should embrace the child and
rub the
> forehead and the lips of the child with her finger impregnated of
salive in
> order to protect the child from the burning of "bad-eye" (is it
correct in
> English?)" - sorry, I don't know what salive (saliva?) is or the
"bad-eye"
> (evil eye?) - since I am such a novice - I assume nothing:)
I think you've got it right, Caesia.
> "Iuno Lucina is offered a coin (originally on the temple of the
Esquilin
> Hill) if the child is male" - what is the menaing behind this and
why is it
> only for males?)
The rites Graecus described are of course the ones done in antiquity,
when sons were valued more highly. Today it would be appropriate to
perform similar rites for a child of either sex, and it would be an
interesting project for our religiously-minded Citizens and parents
to
craft rites that express the Roman spirit while giving equal thanks
for
sons and daughters.
> since my son does not wear a toga, and is not like to be excited
about the
> prospect of donning one even for ritual purposes:) - I would like
take adapt
> this to a modern day approach - perhaps some form of body adornment
or
> jewelry could be used?
Roman men commonly wore rings, so the presentation of a man's ring,
whether new or a family heirloom, might be appropriate. The updated
custom would be for your son simply to stop wearing the "clothes of
childhood" whatever those may be, and to don the "clothing of
manhood."
If a Roman mom had given her son a protective amulet (bulla), he
would
dedicate that at the family altar with thanks to the Gods for
allowing
him to reach adulthood.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma National Library |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:06:41 -0000 |
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Intereting idea, Titinius! You may wish to do a little research on
lending-by-mail libraries and the logistics of making them work. I
know
there is one in Portland, Maine, that lends theological books to
ministers and priests who can't reach scholarly or theological
libraries.
Also, you'll need to do some computations to make sure that the cost
of
shipping the books back and forth is a good deal less than the cost
of
buying them outright. And you'll probably want to form a relationship
with a good bookseller!
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Re: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma National Library |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 11:26:21 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salve,Titinius;
Your idea is a great one!! Perhaps you should talk to a local librarian
or two who are experts on the InterLibray Loan System. I have gotten
several books having to do with engineering from specialist libraies and
tey charge anywhere from three to six dollars for newer books all the
way to $20.00 for older more valuable books, There seems also to be a
very wide variation between libraries that have the same book. Recently
two libraries reported they had the exact same book, here in the
Northeast. One wanted $10.00 to loan the book, the other wanted
$20.00!!
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Re: [novaroma] Re: Deities Who preside over sexual relations/birthing/puberty rites |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 16:33:05 +0100 |
|
Salvete Tertia Albia Caesia et al
>(attn: this
>only applies for heterosexual couples, no discrimination being intended):
>- Jugatinus presides to the union between man and woman.
>- Cinxia and Virginensies expose the waist of the woman.
>- Subigus gives the woman to the man....etc...
>
>
>Not only is this exclusive of all forms of sexual relations-as pointed
out-,
>is it not just a tad over paternalistic also?:)
>If Nova Roma is to live up to it's "Nova" part, shouldn't some adaptations
>be made to such rites?
We cannot go too fast. Nova Roma is already introducing innovations as to
the position of women in society. For example, there can be a Materfamilias
on the head of a Gens, whose Iuno shall deserves the same reverence as the
Genius of a paterfamilias. For now, we are concentrating on being recognised
as the hires of Roma. As such we must recover more than 1500 years of
history before we can proceed.
>Can they not be updated to include all forms of loving sexual realations
and
>a more equal perspective for hetrosexual relations as well - with the
>acknowledgement that not all sexual relations are for the sole purpose of
>procreation? Perhaps a more "tantric" form could be embraced by Nova Roma?
For example, I personally do not agree with tantric views. I also do not
personally consider that sex has only to do with procreation and I'm sure
most Romans did not consider that as well. Nevertheless, nor does sex have
to do with spiritual ascesis. Sex is a profane thing given by the Gods for
the pleasure of the humans. It is responsibility of each one of us how to
use sex.
Does this contradict the emphasis on procreation as shown by the material I
have presented? I don't think so. I remind you that in those times, the
force of a state was also its manpower. Every state needed procreation it it
wanted to survive. That was even one of the reasons that made homosexuality
a "crime" sometimes: it was not for being considered ugly or sinful but only
because homosexuality did nothing to increase the population of the state.
>Just the bold suggestion of a novice -
Acknowledged =)
>"...the violence of Silvanus" - what is this in reference to?
This is refereed by (Augustine, The City of God, 6, 9, 2). As to the
meaning, maybe even the Romans had forgotten, though the rite continued to
be performed.
>"you should hang some strips of cloth as an ex-voto" - what is an ex-voto?
Ex-voto is something you offer to the deity in reward for a favour the deity
has done to you.
>"The mother or syster of the mother should embrace the child and rub the
>forehead and the lips of the child with her finger impregnated of salive in
>order to protect the child from the burning of "bad-eye" (is it correct in
>English?)" - sorry, I don't know what salive (saliva?) is or the "bad-eye"
>(evil eye?) - since I am such a novice - I assume nothing:)
Saliva, yes. Evil-eye is correct. Sorry for my bad English.
>"Iuno Lucina is offered a coin (originally on the temple of the Esquilin
>Hill) if the child is male" - what is the menaing behind this and why is it
>only for males? are not females precious to Nova Roma also? (see above:
re -
>updating rites)
My aim was to present the traditional rites. You cannot change history. Just
use my information as you wish, for we are talking about PRIVATE RITES, not
public rites.
>"the child
>must be purified and the name is given." - how is the purification done?
The original sources are (Aulus-Gellus, Roman Antiquities, 16, 17, 2);
(Macrobius, Saturnals, 1, 16, 36); (Augustine, The City of God, 4, 11);
(Plinius, Natural History, 2, 139). I think they do not say more about the
matter (unfortunately).
>" - Rumina helps the child to have the mother's tit." - umm, may I update
>this to "to latch on the mother's breast"? in order to pass this
information
>on?:)
Ok. Again sorry for my English.
>ALSO:
>Is there any information on what god to invoke when there are physical
>problems? like pigeon toedness, knock-kneed,sleep problems or jaundice,
>etc... and morals/values/virtues/study habits - all things associated with
>typical problems of youth.
I have already presented some of these:
- Mens gives intelligence.
- Volumnus and Volumna give the will for the Good.
- Nymph Crane (identified with Carna by Ovid) protects from the screech-owl.
As to diseases, the usual Gods are invoked: Apollo, Aesculapius, Salus
Or, if you are more of the type of the Mysteries and foreign cults: Isis.
> I am also particularily interested in puberty rites. The information
posted
>by Marcus Papirius Justus regarding "17-iuvenis" was a good start , but I
am
>not sure how to relate the toga information to present day recontruction -
>since my son does not wear a toga, and is not like to be excited about the
>prospect of donning one even for ritual purposes:) - I would like take
adapt
>this to a modern day approach - perhaps some form of body adornment or
>jewelry could be used? like a youth being aloud to wear a piece of jewelry
>that formly belonged to a parent/grnadparent/etcc - both me and my partner
>for example celebrated our entance into adulthood with the permission to
>pierce our ears, and the presentation of jewelry - he a watch of his
>father's, me a ring of my grandmother's.
I have spoken abou the jewelry:
"A collar hanging from the neck would have a golden bubble enclosing the
image of a deity. This would protect against envy."
Papirius Justus added:
"The 'golden bubble' is the bulla and would more likely be a leather pouch
of some sort (a small one); as an additional ritual, the iuvenis should
shave for the first time and enclose his whiskers in the bulla. The bulla
is then dedicated on the lararium."
And Patricia Cassia added:
"A young girl would offer her bulla and childhood toys on her father's
lararium on the night before her wedding."
>If anything I have asked of here has already been addressed, I apologise,
>but would appreciate a link to the relevent post or archive.
Be welcome.
Vale
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[novaroma] re Sodalitas Egressus |
| From: |
"Rick Brett" <trog99@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 08:37:59 PDT |
|
Salve Omnes:
I posted a note of invitation yesterday, inviting civites to join the
Sodalitas Egressus (Outreach Sodalitas). I had asked that they list their
provincia when doing so.
But, one may not know exactly what Provincia they are from.
If this is the case, simply list the state or even country you are from, and
we can find this info out for you.
What we also need is simply your citizen name and email addie. Your
questions and comments, as always, are welcome.
The email address for applications is <egressus_romanus@-------->
Bene vale,
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma National Library |
| From: |
Piscinus@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:34:20 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
There seems also to be a
> very wide variation between libraries that have the same book.
Recently
> two libraries reported they had the exact same book, here in the
> Northeast. One wanted $10.00 to loan the book, the other wanted
> $20.00!!
>
> Vale, Respectfully;
> Marcus Audens
>
Salvete
That is so sad. In NE Ohio interlibrary loans are free. It has
saved me many times. Maybe we should all do some checking in
different parts of the country, and the world, to see what our costs
and availability would be.
My biggest problem though is finding foreign books. Most of the
latest information on Italian archaeology (my area of interest) is in
Italy and I haven't found a source to access that yet. What few books
do get translated and into university libraries here are usually out
of date. The same with most websites. Although there are some, like
the Notes of the Italian Archaeology, these are usually used by grad-
students to post papers, and do not reflect all the information on
even this narrow area of interest. Maybe we could also think of
building an on-line library of links, broken down by catagories, more
than what NR has at its website already.
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Re: [novaroma] Re: Fw: ancient roman music |
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StarWreck@-------- |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 14:55:22 EDT |
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<< I've never heard of this superstition. Can you point me toward a source
for more information about it?>>
I can't remember precisley where. It was a loosely organized "list" of Roman
superstitions in a book. It was listed along with the Romans never saying
Pluto for fear that he would come up and take them down to the underworld,
instead they always called him Hades (Could be the other way around), and I
also keenly remember reading about a little song that Romans would sing while
they were walking through intersections in a road at night to keep evil
spirits away. Anyway, you probably would be able to find it listed with
"Roman Religious Superstitions About the Underworld".
Vale,
Iulius Titinius
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[novaroma] Re: Deities Who preside over sexual relations/birthing/puberty rites |
| From: |
"C Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 19 Jun 2000 15:49:19 -0400 |
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Salvete Cassia et alii
I suppose that rites could still vary for the birth of sons or daughters.
Is Nova Roma going to be a patrilineal, matrilineal, or other society?
I was extremely grateful for the birth of my daughter, although I confess
that I didn't know what sort of rites would be appropriate to thank the gods
for her birth.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
>The rites Graecus described are of course the ones done in antiquity,
>when sons were valued more highly. Today it would be appropriate to
>perform similar rites for a child of either sex, and it would be an
>interesting project for our religiously-minded Citizens and parents
>to
>craft rites that express the Roman spirit while giving equal thanks
>for
>sons and daughters.
>
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