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Subject:	[novaroma] Patres ET conscripti (M.A.Regulus's post translated)
From:	Guido Costantini <flyke@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:09:17 +0200

"Salve omnes

With the forewords that I'm asking for the kind collaboration in
translating my posts; I can write only in italian to avoid
misunderstandings and translation problems.
Anyway, in english, you'll meet me online togheter with my friend Piscinus
at 2:00 pm CET (Greenwich +1) where I'll be glad to debate with you on the
themes of interest for the NR's cives.

Now, "paters et coscripti" is not an original idea of mine but I originate
it from the thesis of prof. Arnaldo Momigliano (The origins of Rome ,in
Cambridge Ancient History, VII ,second edition); Momigliano is maybe the
greatest rapresentant of that school trying to make compatible tradition
and modern historical critic.

I believe, togheter with prof. Massimo Pallottino, famous etruscologist,
that he offered a acceptable framework for the ones living the history of
Rome as a faith rather than a scientific discipline

Patres Conscripti is an attributive form for Senators; Patres ET conscrptu
is way different: it shows a division in the senatorial body. While the
Patres are the patricians, who are the conscripti? Why it was necessary to
include some non patres senators in the senatorial assembly? When it was
statued? By whom?

The problem is, objectively, strictly tied to another one kind of duality:
populus plebeque- la plebs was part of the populus? Let's try to give a
plausible answer to this questions all togheter.

marcus Atilius greets you readfirming hei great esteem for your efforts
towards the history and civilization of my city, unique in the qorld, our
most beloved Urbs.

Marcus Attilius Regulus"

Translated at 2:07 am, and therefore not granting the perfection, by

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
Gens Constantina Pater
Located in Roma, Caput Mundi, Italia

> Salvete omnes,
>
>Premesso che chiedo la gentilezza di una collaborazione per la
>traduzione dei miei interventi; posso scrivere solo in italiano al
>fine di non creare equivoci e problemi di interpretazione.
>Comunque , in inglese , mi trovate on line insieme all'amico Piscinus
>alle ore 14.00 (merid.Roma), dove sarò lieto di dibattere con
>tutti
>voi sulle tematiche che interessano tutti i cives di NR .
>Dunque, "Patres et conscripti" , non è una mia idea originale ma
>prendo spunto dalle tesi del prof. Arnaldo Momigliano (The origins of
>Rome ,in Cambridge Ancient History, VII ,second edition); Momigliano
>è forse il massimo esponente mondiale di quella scuola che tende
>a rendere compatibile la Tradizione con la moderna critica storica.
>Io credo che insieme al prof Massimo Pallottino , grande
>etruscologo,
>egli abbia offerto un quadro d'insieme accettabile per coloro che
>vivono la storia di Roma come una fede più che una disciplina
>scientifica.
>Patres conscripti è una aggettivazione dei Senatori; Patres et
>conscripti è profondamente differente: indica una suddivisione
>all'interno del Senato. Fermo restando che i Patres sono Patrizi ,
>chi sono i conscripti? Perchè è stato necessario inserire dei
>Senatori non Patres all'interno dell'Assemblea? Quando è stato decretato?
e da
>chi?
>Il problema si lega ,oggettivamente con un'altra dualità : Populus
>plebeque. La Plebs era parte del popolus? Tentiamo insieme di dare
>una risposta plausibile a tutto questo.
>Marcus Attilius vi saluta con grande stima per il vostro impegno nei
>confronti della storia e della civiltà della mia città , unica
>al mondo : l'Urbs nostra amatissima.
>Remember translation necesse est!!

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Patres ET conscripti-oops
From:	Guido Costantini <flyke@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:11:11 +0200

At 19.56 21/06/00 -0400, you wrote:
>Looks like Piscine took care of the translation (thank you!) Teaches me
>for not reading all of the messages in my inbox.
>
>Popillia Cassia Aemilii
>

Actually, not..Piscinus' was already a comment, even if reporting part of
Regulus' text...

Regards

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Patres ET conscripti (M.A.Regulus's post translated)
From:	"Gaius Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@-------->
Date:	Wed, 21 Jun 2000 20:57:17 -0400

Salvete Domiti Constantine et alii

Thank you so much for doing that.

Valete

C Marius Merullus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Patres Conscripti
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 03:50:42 +0200

Salvete Piscine et Alii!

I had always believed in the theory which Diocletianus
repeated, that the Conscripti were conscripted ("written
into") the Senate as a result of the Plebian
political/constitutional successes. All of the most reliable
sources I have in my possession say this. However, in one
source recommended on the net by you, Piscinus, I find this
story:

Originally, the Roman Senate consisted of a group
of one hundred leading Roman citizens that served
as an advisory body to the king. The members of
the Senate were the patres, or fathers of the
important families and, by extension, the fathers
of their city. Later kings packed the Senate with
their own clients and followers. These men were
known as the conscripti or the enrolled ones, a
term with a somewhat negative
connotation. Later, the Senate as a whole came to
be known as the "Conscript Fathers", or, Patres
Conscripti. This was a title of respect and the
title by which those speaking to the Senate
addressed that governing body.

This does seem to push the use of the term back into the
regal period, but this source does not seem in general to be
carefully written, and I am not sure how much to believe in
it. Not far away it speaks of the "auctoritas" of the
consuls in a way that suggests it meant "imperium", for
example.

You wrote:

The phrase Patres et Conscripti dates back into
the regal period, some sources claim all the way
back to Romulus, but before the Republic, as laid
out by Ogilvie (Comm. 1965). It can not therefor
refer to the Plebians attaining rights in 330 bce,
nor in 493 bce.

I would appreciate it, Piscinus, if you could provide
concretely the ancient literary source(s) or inscription(s)
which has made scholars (or some of them) change their minds
since the time of all of my books and move the date of the
usage of the term back to the regal period. Although you
cited an authority, it would be difficult for most of us to
get hold of it. (And what does the no doubt standard
abbreviation "Comm." refer to?) (I am, by the way, aware
that in Zonaras (VII.9) it is claimed that Servius Tullius
had admitted some Plebeins into the senate, but I do not
have the source here to see if "conscripti" was the word
used.)

The points you have been raising are very interesting, and I
appreciate your links, although most seem to have more
pictures than interpretive text. The latter would probably
be useful to me at least, although some of the pictures are
beautiful and/or fascinating..

Speaking of "imperium" by the way, surely Domitianus was
incorrect of speaking of Censors having imperium? Their
powers of determining who was eligible for the Senate (not
to mention citizenship) were enormous, but I do not think it
was *imperium*. Who is right?

I look forward to hearing to more on this.

Valete!

Marcus Apollonius Formosanus,
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae,
Triumvir Condens Sodalitatis Latinitatis Futurae
Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
ICQ# 61698049
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Subject:	[novaroma] Another Link re Ancient Ships
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 02:05:28 GMT

Salvete Omnes:

I was combing through my bookmarked sites on the Roman Navy, ancient
vessels, etc. and I thought I would share this link with you from the
University of Bangor, Wales, UK.

It contains some excellent information regarding ancient craft of Greece,
Rome, and the Brits.

They are in the process of adding drawings to the site to correspond with
the text.

The URL is <http://www.history.bangor.ac.uk/shipspecial/SHIP_int.htm>

I would also like to thank Senator C. Aelius Ericius for posting some
excellent sites last weekend on the Roman Navy and ancient sailing. They
will prove very useful for the Sodalitas Militarium. :)

Bene Valete,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] History of Legio I(IGermanica)
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Wed, 21 Jun 2000 21:19:31 -0500

21 June 2000

Salve

To have such a informative reply, from a Consul no less, is a great honor
for me. Thank you for this post as it gives so much important information.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Citizen
Canada Occidentalis
Nova Roma
quintus-sertorius@--------

----- Original Message -----
From: <sfp55@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] History of Legio I(IGermanica)

> In a message dated 6/21/2000 7:20:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
3s@--------
> writes:
>
> << Leg I (I Germanica).I eagerly await any further information. > >>
> Salve!
> Since I'm writing an abstract on 1st Cremona for my new magazine I had the
> info at hand.
>
> GERMANICA (Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum XII 2234), reflecting service on
> the Rhine, or named by Germanicus, CE 14 for service in quelling the
German
> mutiny.
> First attested: AL 1976, 515 (Augusta); Inscrp. Latin. Select. 2342
> (Claudian); AL 1956, 169. Sir Ronald Syme has suggested that this was the
> legion deprived of its title in 19 CE; (C. Dio Liv. 11.5) see JRS xxiii
1933,
> 15. No link has ever been demonstrated.
> Number: First
> Formed: Either 47-48 (Caesar's consular series), or 43 (Pansa's consular
> series). With Octavian, in 41, took part operations against Sextus
Pompeius,
> in 36. (Appian. BC V. 112).
> As Colonists, at Luceria, 31-30 (l' Annee Epigraphique 1969/1970, 158; AE
> 1976, 168, 169)
> Spain, 30 -9 CE; Put down several rebellions, may have been disgraced in
rout.
> (See Below)
> Rhine frontier, Germany 9 CE transferred to replace legiones lost in
Varius
> disaster.
> Took part Tiberius' campaigns (9-12) Mutinied in 14. (Tact. Ann. I. 31;
39;
> 50.) Germanicus' campaigns 14-16. Mentioned in Germanicus triumph (15) At
> Idistavisius (16)
> Mutinied in 69 AD against Galba. (Tact. His. II. 55.) Sent a force of
three
> Cohortis (likely VII-IX) with Caecina to take part in the invasion of
Italy
> for Vitellius. (Tact. His.II. 61.) Joined Civilis in rebellion. (Tact.
His.
> IV 59.)
> Rejoined Roman troops at Trier. (69) Cashiered shortly after by Cerialis.
(
> Less then 1000 men probably remained considering their losses in the Camp
> siege, and the detachment of the Vexillatio) Eagle in Mars Sanctuary (Cas.
> Dio.)
> The Emblem: Likely the Julian Bull but not confirmed.
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Roman Ocean Going Vessels
From:	"Chad Kieffer" <ckieffe@-------->
Date:	Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:45:53 -0500

Salvete omnes!
I'm on digest mode, so forgive me if someone has answered this one
already. When I was in Athens about two weeks ago I took pictures of the
reconstructed trireme called the "Olympias." They used Oregon pine in the
construction, believe it or not. It had a big apotropaic eye on it. Of
course, the triremes had to be beached every night. I also took a picture
there of a transport vessel which they've also reconstructed. This ship was
designed for long-term sea voyages, and it was of the type the Athenians
would have used around 300 B.C.E. I believe it's been tentatively called
the "Kyrinea."

You can see my picture of the Kyrinea (taken at a distance) at:
http://cavern.uark.edu/depts/latin/eta-sigma-phi/kyrinea.gif

You can see my pictures of the Olympias at:
http://cavern.uark.edu/depts/latin/eta-sigma-phi/olympias2.gif
http://cavern.uark.edu/depts/latin/eta-sigma-phi/olympias1.gif

Valete,
C Cordius Symmachus

> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 06:46:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Correus <correus@-------->
> Subject: Re: Roamn Ocean Going Vessels
>
> Salve!
>
> I may have some info for you. If I can make the
> time I will check. If you don't here from me in
> a fews days - just pester me.
>
> There is a group (in Greece I think). that has
> built a working Trireme (sp?).
>
> Correus Appius Iulianus

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Subject:	[novaroma] History of Legio I(IGermanica)
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Wed, 21 Jun 2000 23:04:51 -0500

21 June 2000

Salve

Here is another bit of information about Legio I(I Germnaica) that I
received on a private email. I hope someone finds informative, and also,
thank you to the individual that sent me these attachments.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Citizen
Canada Occidentalis
Nova Roma
quintus-sertorius@--------

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Italian Speakers Wanted.
From:	sfp55@--------
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:09:26 EDT

In a message dated 6/21/2000 5:07:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
apricot@-------- writes:

<< Does anyone else speak Italian? He is asking for assistance with
translating his postings into English >>
If he sends them to me, I can translate, but not timely right now. I'm in
the middle of launching a magazine. However if he is patient I will be able
to do them later.
Vale
Q. Fabius

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] History of Legio I(IGermanica)
From:	sfp55@--------
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 00:18:46 EDT

In a message dated 6/21/2000 7:23:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
quintus-sertorius@-------- writes:

<< Thank you for this post as it gives so much important information.
>>
Salve Quintus Sertorius!

Actually you caught me at a most preciptious time, I had all the information
right in front of me due to the paper for Cremona when your request came
through. The gods must wanted you to have the information.
Vale
Q. Fabius

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Subject:	[novaroma] Aiuto
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:44:44 +0200

Salve mi Regule!

Se Lei ha bisogno d'aiuto, io posso tradurre dal italiano in
l'inglese purché il testo non è troppo lungo e Lei spedire
il testo direttamente al mio indirizzo, siccome ricevo
"Novaroma" come compendio. {Sono le mie vacanze. :-) } Non
parlo l'italiano, purtroppo, ma bene capisco i Suoi messaggi
a Nova Roma senza difficoltà perchè comprehendo il latino,
la Madre delle Lingue. Perciò posso tradurre, anche se non
perfettamente. {Ma quasi! ;-) } Il tema della Sua
discussione con Piscino è molto interessante.

Vale!

Marcus Apollonius Formosanus,
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae,
Triumvir Condens Sodalitatis Latinitatis Futurae
Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
ICQ# 61698049
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Patres Conscripti
From:	Piscinus@--------
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:33:13 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@y...>
wrote:
> M.Apollonius Formosanus scripset:
> You wrote:
>
> The phrase Patres et Conscripti dates back into
> the regal period, some sources claim all the way
> back to Romulus, but before the Republic, as laid
> out by Ogilvie (Comm. 1965). It can not therefor
> refer to the Plebians attaining rights in 330 bce,
> nor in 493 bce.
>
> I would appreciate it, Piscinus, if you could provide
> concretely the ancient literary source(s) or inscription(s)
> which has made scholars (or some of them) change their minds
> since the time of all of my books and move the date of the
> usage of the term back to the regal period. Although you
> cited an authority, it would be difficult for most of us to
> get hold of it. (And what does the no doubt standard
> abbreviation "Comm." refer to?) (I am, by the way, aware
> that in Zonaras (VII.9) it is claimed that Servius Tullius
> had admitted some Plebeins into the senate, but I do not
> have the source here to see if "conscripti" was the word
> used.)
>
> The points you have been raising are very interesting, and I
> appreciate your links, although most seem to have more
> pictures than interpretive text. The latter would probably
> be useful to me at least, although some of the pictures are
> beautiful and/or fascinating..
>
>
Salvete M. Apollonius Formosanus et alii

Thus far my humble efforts have only been to report on the
conversations I have been having with M. Attilius Regulus in the
Forum chatroom. Not a format conducive to runnig around gathering up
sources to back up one's comments. I myself am attempting to locate
the books of more recent authors which he has recommended. Just as
you mentioned, most of my books that even broach the subject are out
of date. Earlier I had posted to the egroups site a list of the
English translations of those books recommended by Regulus. The
other book to which I referred (not on the list I previously posted)
was R.M.Ogilvie <A Commentary on Livy 1-5> Oxford:1965.

As for the online sources I posted, well, they are admittedly
limited, but that's all I have been finding on the net thus far.
These sites were primarily meant for those interested in Archaic
Italy and who do not have a scholarly background in the field. That
would include myself. I am only sharing what I have thus far
discovered, and that has been unsatisfactory. All online sources I
have found so far, on any topic, have been rather disappointing. In
part because of the medium itself, and secondly because of who
prepares this material. I would not rely on any online commentary.
What I have found the net useful for, though, is in providing
pictures of objects and of places to which I am unable travel. These
provide the visual information to the interpretive texts I find
elsewhere. The other use it seems to have would be to provide copies
of ancient texts that might otherwise be unavailable. Now if only
someone would be so kind as to translate them. I have yet to find an
English version, even a poor translation, of Pliny the Elder.

Now that it seems we have a few people on the list who can better
understand Regulus than I, and can translate his comments, perhaps
the sources you seek will begin to appear. Or you might join us in
the forum chatroom, weekdays 13.00 Greenwich.

Valete
Gn. Moravius Piscinus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Membership application
From:	"Decius Aucelius Sebastianus" <Decius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 05:54:07 -0500

Salvete Censores,

I am writing you to inquire about my membership application. I have
attempted to contact you through the censors@-------- address, but my
mail was bounced. Please advise.

Gracia

Decius Aucelius Sebastianus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] History of Legio I(IGermanica)
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 06:18:07 -0500

21 June 2000

Salve Consul

Yes this is odd, the gods must be pleased, as another person told me when
reading my original post , he too was reading from the very book I referred
to. Maybe Legio I(I Germanica) is reaching out from the past demanding to be
reborn in order to settle old accounts.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Citizen
Canada Occidentalis
Nova Roma
LEG I (I GERMANICA)
quintus-sertorius@--------

----- Original Message -----
From: <sfp55@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] History of Legio I(IGermanica)

> In a message dated 6/21/2000 7:23:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> quintus-sertorius@-------- writes:
>
> << Thank you for this post as it gives so much important information.
> >>
> Salve Quintus Sertorius!
>
> Actually you caught me at a most preciptious time, I had all the
information
> right in front of me due to the paper for Cremona when your request came
> through. The gods must wanted you to have the information.
> Vale
> Q. Fabius
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Patres ET conscripti (M.A.Regulus's post translated)
From:	"M G" <fresco@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 07:43:03 +0300

----- Original Message -----
From: Guido Costantini <flyke@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Thursday, 22 June, 2000 3:09 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Patres ET conscripti (M.A.Regulus's post translated)

> "Salve omnes
>
> With the forewords that I'm asking for the kind collaboration in
> translating my posts; I can write only in italian to avoid
> misunderstandings and translation problems.
> Anyway, in english, you'll meet me online togheter with my friend Piscinus
> at 2:00 pm CET (Greenwich +1) where I'll be glad to debate with you on the
> themes of interest for the NR's cives.
> >Remember translation necesse est!!
>

Caro Cives Domizio Costantino Fusco,

Spero di esserti qualche volta utile come traduttore,
ma con 2 avvertenze:
1) Non sono sempre al computer, e vedo invece che servirebbe essere
rapidissimi
Qui la traduzione e' arrivata velocissima prima che io potessi intervenire.
2) Il mio inglese e' buono, ma non perfetto.

Saluti.
Marcus Prometheus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Patres ET conscripti (M.A.Regulus's post translated)
From:	Guido Costantini <flyke@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:54:57 +0200

>
>
>Caro Cives Domizio Costantino Fusco,
>
>Spero di esserti qualche volta utile come traduttore,
>ma con 2 avvertenze:
>1) Non sono sempre al computer, e vedo invece che servirebbe essere
>rapidissimi
>Qui la traduzione e' arrivata velocissima prima che io potessi intervenire.
>2) Il mio inglese e' buono, ma non perfetto.
>
>Saluti.
> Marcus Prometheus
>

Hey, grazie per l'offerta, ma io con l'inglese me la cavo, il post era
originariamente di Regulus, è lui che ha bisogno di aiuto con la traduzione ;)

Grazie lo stesso

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Signing off with NR
From:	"Jeroen Meuleman" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 15:51:29 +0200

Salvete omnes,

This is my first posting to the Nova Roma list, and I apologize if someone
has written a reply like this one before me, but I get the mails in digest
form so please bare with me. Although I've only recently applied for
membership, and I'm also a recent member of the list, I must say that I
think that making people who are dissatisfied with Nova Roma leave silently
without a word is wrong. Of course heated arguments and emotional postings
won't help anyone further either, and perhaps it could be that some are
written with the intent to take a final attempt at getting some positive
input and possible ego-reenforcement, but I don't think that everyone who
is not pleased with the Nova Roma governement, or the way things work over
here, does such things only to become better of it himself. People who do
stupid things will be ignored after a while, which makes them all the more
pathetic, but if someone can give rational and clear air to his problems or
distress, let him or her do so instead of silencing all opposing elements.

Valete;
Sextus Apollonius Draco

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Subject:	Fw: [novaroma] translation
From:	"M G" <fresco@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 08:03:33 +0300

----- Original Message -----
From: Paula Sherrod <apricot@-------->
To: <
Sent: Thursday, 22 June, 2000 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Patres ET conscripti

Dear Popillia Cassia,
I speak and I am Italian, so I hope
sometime to be able to help, but I have two limits:

1) TIME : It looks as here it would be needed to be instantly available,
which cannot be often my case.
2) The quality of my english arrives only up to a point and not further.

Vale.

Marcus Prometheus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Roman Ocean Going Vessels
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:14:04 GMT

Salve C. Cordius Symmachus:

Thanks for sharing these photos. It appears as though you had a great time
on your trip.

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia

>From: "Chad Kieffer" <ckieffe@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: <novaroma@-------->
>Subject: [novaroma] Re: Roman Ocean Going Vessels
>Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 22:45:53 -0500
>************Snip*************
>
>You can see my picture of the Kyrinea (taken at a distance) at:
>http://cavern.uark.edu/depts/latin/eta-sigma-phi/kyrinea.gif
>
>You can see my pictures of the Olympias at:
>http://cavern.uark.edu/depts/latin/eta-sigma-phi/olympias2.gif
>http://cavern.uark.edu/depts/latin/eta-sigma-phi/olympias1.gif
>
> Valete,
> C Cordius Symmachus
>
> > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2000 06:46:55 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Correus <correus@-------->
> > Subject: Re: Roamn Ocean Going Vessels
> >
> > Salve!
> >
> > I may have some info for you. If I can make the
> > time I will check. If you don't here from me in
> > a fews days - just pester me.
> >
> > There is a group (in Greece I think). that has
> > built a working Trireme (sp?).
> >
> > Correus Appius Iulianus
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] History of Legio I(IGermanica)
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:19:23 -0500

21 june 2000

Salve

My attachments did not go through the first time so here it is again, I hope
this dose not annoy anyone.

Vale

QS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:04 PM
Subject: History of Legio I(IGermanica)

>
> 21 June 2000
>
> Salve
>
> Here is another bit of information about Legio I(I Germnaica) that I
> received on a private email. I hope someone finds informative, and also,
> thank you to the individual that sent me these attachments.
>
> Vale
>
> Quintus Sertorius
> Citizen
> Canada Occidentalis
> Nova Roma
> quintus-sertorius@--------
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] History of Legio I(IGermanica)
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 17:47:53 -0500

21 June 2000

Salve Nova Romans

Please forgive me but this is the third attempt at tiring to send out
information that was sent to me. I hope this works, if not I shall not make
a fourth attempt.

Vale

QS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2000 11:04 PM
Subject: History of Legio I(IGermanica)

>
> 21 June 2000
>
> Salve
>
> Here is another bit of information about Legio I(I Germnaica) that I
> received on a private email. I hope someone finds informative, and also,
> thank you to the individual that sent me these attachments.
>
> Vale
>
> Quintus Sertorius
> Citizen
> Canada Occidentalis
> Nova Roma
> quintus-sertorius@--------
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] History of Legio I(IGermanica)
From:	"StormWolf" <blakmice@-------->
Date:	Thu, 22 Jun 2000 18:05:46 -0000

>Please forgive me but this is the third attempt at tiring to send out
>information that was sent to me. I hope this works, if not I shall not make
>a fourth attempt.

Onelist strips attachments unless set to not do so...

L Vatinius

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