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Re: [novaroma] History of Legio I(IGermanica) |
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"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:49:47 -0500 |
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23 June 2000
Salve
I did not know that you could not send attachments, but I also tried to use
paste on the final attempt, but still failure. I guess legioI(I Germanica)
wants to keep some things secret. I found out that I could successfully send
the email privately, so if any one would like to have this information from
"The Roman Legions" by H. M. D. Parker please feel free to send me an email.
It would appear Legio I(I Germanica) had a tough life.
QS
quintus-sertorius@--------
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] History of Legio I(IGermanica) |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson <amgunn@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 22 Jun 2000 19:59:38 -0500 |
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Avete Omnes,
Piperbarbus Ullerius scripsit:
Quintus Sertorius wrote:
>
> 23 June 2000
>
> Salve
>
> I did not know that you could not send attachments, but I also tried to use
> paste on the final attempt, but still failure. I guess legioI(I Germanica)
> wants to keep some things secret. I found out that I could successfully send
> the email privately, so if any one would like to have this information from
> "The Roman Legions" by H. M. D. Parker please feel free to send me an email.
> It would appear Legio I(I Germanica) had a tough life.
>
> QS
> quintus-sertorius@--------
>
I am the correspondant of Quintus Sertorius in this matter. If anyone would like the full series of
pages on Legio I Germania, or other info from the mentioned volume, I can scan them and send them as
JPG attachments. I'll post the JPG's of the Title Page and Table of Contents to the Egroups site
today or tomorrow
In Amicus - Venii
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] History of Legio I(IGermanica) |
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jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 22 Jun 2000 21:30:34 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salve, QS;
You cannot send attachments to everyone on the Onelist. It is a
restriction that we have so as not to clog the Mailboxes of those who
have limited capacity.
Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] History of Legio I(IGermanica) |
| From: |
"M G" <fresco@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Jun 2000 04:20:12 +0300 |
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----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Sertorius <quintus-sertorius@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Friday, 23 June, 2000 3:49 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] History of Legio I(IGermanica)
any one would like to have this information from
> "The Roman Legions" by H. M. D. Parker
please feel free to send me an email
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Please SEND TO fresco@--------
Thanks Marcus Prometheus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Patres et conscripti |
| From: |
"Marcus Attilius Regulus " <m.morgantini@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Jun 2000 12:07:50 -0000 |
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Salvete omnes!
Grazie a Domizio Costantino che vorrà cortesemente tradurre il mio
messaggio.
La prima considerazione evidente è che il tema che stiamo
affrontando è di largo interesse nella comunità di NR. Questo
significa che i Cives sono interessati a dibattere su un tema che
,nei fatti, porta a riflettere sulle origini della struttura sociale
dell'Urbs.
La distinzione fra patres e conscripti è probabilmente legata al
periodo regio ed in particolare al regno di Servius Rex ; traccia
principale è quello del censimento operato nel corso del suo
regno
che ha portato alla evidenza che Roma era una realtà primaria nel
Lazio ; questo comportava una assunzione di responsabilità quali
quella di garantire un esercito forte , potente e numeroso.Si può
discutere sulla consistenza e la veridicità dei numeri del
censimento
, resta il fatto che Servio ha dovuto allargare la " Classis" cioè
le
truppe a disposizione dello Stato. E' pensabile che lo abbia fatto
inserendovi estranei al populus? La risposa può essere quella di
un
allargamento agli"infra classem " e non specificatamente alla plebs
,
in quanto essa ancora non inserita nel popolus. Il problema non è
certo reso più semplice dalla considerazione sulla natura della
plebs
del periodo regio e quella successiva dell' epoca rebubblicana.
Un esempio : su sette Rex che la tradizione ci elenca ben quattro
hanno un nome che in un periodo successivo verrà considerato
plebeo!
Un plebeo sul trono di Roma? Difficile .
Quindi dobbiamo considerare le cause del mutamento sociale che ha
sconvolto il rapporto patriziato /plebe nella transizione fra periodo
arcaico e quello repubblicano.
E' quindi possibile trovare nei "conscripti" non dei plebeinel senso
tradizionale del termine , ma dei cittadini non appartenenti a quei
clan che si tramandano la carica di senatore in modo ereditario , ma
come dei prescelti( ad personam)a rinvigorire il Senato . Essi
vengono
inseriti nell'assemblea mediante la trascrizione nel registro ,
quindi sono conscripti.
Non godono , come è noto , di alcune prerogative riservate ai
Patres
come l'interegnum e la possibilità degli auspicia in asenza di
magistrati curuli (auspicia ad patres redunt ).
Grazie per la vostra paziente attenzione.
Ad Maiora
Marcus attilius Regulus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem VIII Kalendas Quinctilis (June 24th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Jun 2000 17:15:28 +0100 |
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Salvete
As I will not be available tomorrow, I send today the religious note for
June 24th:
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This is one of the dies comitiales (C), when committees of citizens can vote
on political or criminal matters.
Today is the feast of Fors Fortuna, solemnizing the consecration of Her two
shrines on the western margin of the Tiber, one consecrated by Servius
Tullius (the traditional founder of the cult of Fate) and the other by
Carvilius Maximus. These are respectively on the 1st and 6th mile of the Via
Portuensis. As part of today's cellebration, boats adorned with flowers
descend the river Tiber and libations are offered to the Goddess.
I also remind that Iunius is the month of Iuno, month of the young
(iuuenes).
Pax Deorum vobiscum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Attachments (was History of Legio I(IGermanica) |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Jun 2000 20:33:12 -0000 |
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Salve!
This list does not permit attachments, but does allow members to
upload photos and other files to a special "Files" area, where they
can be made available to other members of the list.
To do this, go to http://www.egroups.com/group/novaroma - if this is
your first visit to the eGroups site, you'll need to register, and
otherwise you'll need to sign in - then click Files. There's a
handy "Add File" button at the top of the page.
Hope this helps!
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Clades Variana - The Varus Disaster Movie |
| From: |
"Tim O'Neill" <scatha@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 23 Jun 2000 23:55:20 -0000 |
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--- In novaroma@--------, Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@h...>
> When I take a look on your email, I think your project will be an
> interesting one. I´m glad that you want to make your movie
>historically
> accurate. I hope also that this is meant also for the appearance of
>the roman soldiers.
Very much so. I am working to have as many aspects of the script,
including the descriptions of the armour and other equipment used as
accurate as possible. The opening scenes are actually set in
Augustus' house, just before Varus takes up his commission as the new
governing legate of Germania. To research this scene I have obtained
a floor plan of his house on the Palatine and pictures of some of the
frescos on the walls of two audience chambers in his house from about
this time.
Ancient Roman arms and armour are a particular interest of mine and a
lot of the action will involve military material, so I will be
concentrating on this aspect to get as many details correct as I can.
> The Website of the University of Osnabrück (my fellow citizen
>metioned it) is also highly recommended by me. I also recommend the
>study of Marcus Junkelmanns book "Die Legionen des Augustus". There
>the numbers of the legions, which were wiped out, are listened. Also
>you can get an idea how the roman legionary looked like.
I do have a fair bit of material on the Augustan period army and I've
read Junkelmann in English translation - thanks. The website you
mention is excellent. I recently spent a weekend laboriously
'translating' it using one of those literal translation websites. A
clumsy method perhaps, but it meant I was able to get a lot of
information about the Kalkriese excavations. I liked the mention of
a
bronze armour fitting with a legionary's name carved into it - he has
now become one of my characters in the screenplay.
I am using a couple of ancient history discussion forums to get the
project known and to ask questions when I am stuck on a point of
research. One that has been puzzling me lately is this:
Fragments of *lorica segmentata* were found at Kalkriese as well as
evidence of *lorica hamata*. I gather that it was a revelation when
the *segmentata* pieces were found because it had previously been
though this type of cuirass had been introduced in the reign of
Claudius. If the troops who fought in the Teutoburger Wald wore both
types of armour I am wondering which troop types wore what armour
type. The later Imperial Army had the legionaries wearing
*segmentata* with the cavalry and auxiliaries (generally) in
*hamata*,
but would this have been the case as early as Augustus? Thoughts and
comments welcome.
Cheers,
Tim O'Neill
Tasmanian Devil
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