| Subject: |
[novaroma] Tribune's Comment |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 24 Jun 2000 22:55:15 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salve, Omnes;
It is my impression that the Tribune Australicus IS being open-minded.
He has interjected a caution into a straight-forward exchange of
information, based on past impressions and the wild actions, that this
list has seen, on the part of Christians who have forgotten their
Christian Basics. As a Christian myself, I well realize the wild and
unpredictable actions of some of those of my faith, and I applaud
Tribune Australicus for his attention to this detail.
I agree, that Senator Cassia's response was a reasonable one, filled
with information and yet leaving room for a further response in excess
of her knowledge. It is just such an answer as I should have wanted or
expected had I asked the question. I believe that the point or one of
the points that the Tribune wanted to emphasize is that the question was
a very strange one to begin a new association with.
I would hope that when our Magistrates do the job that they were elected
for, that we would give them, at a minimum, the appreciation that they
deserve for thier efforts on our behalf.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma]Concerning Magnus |
| From: |
LSergAust@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 01:51:46 EDT |
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Oh my goodness! Stuck my foot in my mouth again -- I forgot we have a
Pompeian gens. I didn't mean to offend in discussing my understanding of
history.
Somehow I had the impression that Magnus had chosen that title for
himself in childhood, but I am not an historical scholar so could well be
mistaken.
All were pretty bloody-handed back then. Putting whole populations to the
sword was not all that uncommon. I think Pompeius, father and son, were
country folk (albeit wealthy ones) and butchering enemies was just not
that far removed from butchering livestock. It seems different to those
of us accustomed to buying our meat plastic-wrapped in a supermarket.
The Divine Iulius had his faults (as did Augustus) but he had good points
as well. His leniency toward defeated foes was admirable, although it
ultimately lead to his own demise. And I don't think he indulged himself
in cruelty for its own sake.
Just now I was thinking it rather silly to criticize the violence of our
ancestors, living in an age when even the "good guys" have incinerated a
million or so civilians in incendiary raids and two nuclear attacks on
population centers, not to mention starving the population of Iraq of
food and medicine as a useless political gesture, sitting by and allowing
genocide to proceed in Bosnia, Kosovo, Tibet, China, etc.. My father
still admires Harry Truman "Carnifex." Funny what contradictory notions
of who's right and who's wrong humans can harbour without qualm.
Anyway, no offense to your gens was intended.
Vale,
L. Sergius Australicus
On 6/24/00 3:44 PM Pompeia Cornelia (scriba_forum@--------) wrote:
>RESPONDEO FROM POMPEIA ..
>*************but that is Mommsen...other historians, and Plutarch is one of
>them, cut Pompeius Magnus a bit more slack....and..he was cognomated Magnus
>(Plutarch et al) by Sulla; he didn't give himself this title.***********
>G. Pompeius Strabo I agree, was relentlessly cruel. I have not read of
>anything positive about this person. Upon the seige of Asculum in Picenum,
>Italy near the end of the Social War, about 89 BCE, he flogged and beheaded
>all officers in the city...and "kicked" the women and children out of the
>city, with nothing but what they wore.
>
>I am not sure if we can call G. Pompeius Magnus a man of quite that degree
>of cruelty. He had his moments of benevolvence. After his raid of the
>pirates of the Mediterranian, he resettled these pirates into land farms, or
>atleast most of them, instead of crucifying them.
>
>He reorganized the east after the defeat of Mithadrades (spelling) VI
>Eupator with negotiation and treaty, before employing the sword.
>
>Magnus was very cruel with the Marian factions, earning him the title of
>Carnifex (butcher) when he was about 20. He cruelly executed those
>affiliated with Gaius Marius...... Perhaps the fact that his father
>Strabo's dead body was dragged through the streets of Rome during the seige
>of Rome against Marius by Strabo and Sulla's factions. (about 87BCE)
>
>If I were a young Roman boy, such a situation would upset me to the point
>where I would want vengeance, for right or for wrong.*********
>
>
>>I have more respect for G. Iulius Caesar.
>
>********And Augustus Caesar, great in many ways as he was, would have it
>so. He would not want you to believe anything good about Caesar's opponent,
>or any other Republican...*****************
>
>************It was Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus who restored power to the Plebs
>during his first Consulship. Sulla had taken it away while he was dictator,
>increasing the Senate and choking the power of the Tribunes
>:)********************
>
>
>>There is, however, something of chilling honesty to be appreciated in
>>Pompeius' reply to the city magistrates in Syracuse (was it?).
>
>Valete all,
>Pompeia Cornelia Strabo (Strabo after my floppy right eye and the
>historian/geographer Strabo)!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Tribune's Comment |
| From: |
LSergAust@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 01:51:49 EDT |
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Salve Consul Audens and thank you for your words of support.
I think that Senator Cassia's reply to this inquiry was an excellent one,
and that perhaps I was being just a bit too suspicious. We look better
replying as she did than we would have being churlishly unresponsive as I
suggested. I can only offer that I dwell in what is known as the "Bible
Belt" and there are some in this region who present themselves as
"ministers" who seem to me to have little christianity in their
christianity, if you will pardon my saying so.
I think I'll back out of this topic before I get myself inextricably
entangled. ;-)
L. Sergius Aust.
On 6/24/00 9:55 PM Marcus Minucius Audens (jmath669642reng@--------)
wrote:
>Salve, Omnes;
>
>It is my impression that the Tribune Australicus IS being open-minded.
>He has interjected a caution into a straight-forward exchange of
>information, based on past impressions and the wild actions, that this
>list has seen, on the part of Christians who have forgotten their
>Christian Basics. As a Christian myself, I well realize the wild and
>unpredictable actions of some of those of my faith, and I applaud
>Tribune Australicus for his attention to this detail.
>
>I agree, that Senator Cassia's response was a reasonable one, filled
>with information and yet leaving room for a further response in excess
>of her knowledge. It is just such an answer as I should have wanted or
>expected had I asked the question. I believe that the point or one of
>the points that the Tribune wanted to emphasize is that the question was
>a very strange one to begin a new association with.
>
>I would hope that when our Magistrates do the job that they were elected
>for, that we would give them, at a minimum, the appreciation that they
>deserve for thier efforts on our behalf.
>
>Valete, Respectfully;
>Marcus Audens
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] An ICQ skin anyone? |
| From: |
"Jeroen Meuleman" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 12:23:16 +0200 |
|
Salvete omnes,
I have recently been pondering about an idea. Since a lot of Nova Romans
seem to be using ICQ as a tool to get in touch with each other, I was
wondering if there is a Roman theme skin out there, and if not, would there
be any interest in it?
I myself can unfortunately not make skins for ICQ, but someone who could
deliver me an easy-to-use tool to make it, or who could even make it him-
or herself would be of great help to my idea; that is, if there are people
interested in it.
Valete,
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] An ICQ skin anyone? |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 01:51:46 -0700 |
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Salve!
That would be interesting...but I am not aware of any "skins" for ICQ. Unlike
programs like WinAmp that have a plethora of skins available. If this the
possibility for skins for ICQ, I would be very interseted but I would need to
know what minimum version of ICQ it would be available. This is considering
that every single version of ICQ is Beta! If you can tell me if it is an
option, I am sure I know many people in Earthlink who could probably create
some skins! :)
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Censor
Jeroen Meuleman wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I have recently been pondering about an idea. Since a lot of Nova Romans
> seem to be using ICQ as a tool to get in touch with each other, I was
> wondering if there is a Roman theme skin out there, and if not, would there
> be any interest in it?
> I myself can unfortunately not make skins for ICQ, but someone who could
> deliver me an easy-to-use tool to make it, or who could even make it him-
> or herself would be of great help to my idea; that is, if there are people
> interested in it.
>
> Valete,
> Sextus Apollonius Draco
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Magnus... |
| From: |
"Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <trog99@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:54:12 GMT |
|
Salve Tribune L. Sergius Australicus:
I was in no way offended by your post ! :) I was merely trying to make some
enlightening points regarding Magnus. I enjoy historical discussion and I
am probably one of the "underdogs" who feels that the attributes of Pompeius
Magnus have been downplayed...
And I thought you might like to know that he returned power to the Tribunus
Pleb (in 70 BCE), as one holding that office today.
All this does not mean that I do not also recognize Caesar's genius.
I am not a history scholar :) I am an amateur historian who is
professionally a nurse.
And I am in the Gens Cornelia...not Pompeia, just for the record.
I just don't want you or anyone to think I am upset with them when I am not
:)
Bene Vale et Buona Fortuna Tribune,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] An ICQ skin anyone? |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:22:13 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salve, Sextus Appolonius Daco;
Since you address your question to the Onelist, it might be interesting
if you provided a brief description of what your subject item is. In
the present situation you have as much chance getting a response from me
to you question as if I asked you what dimensions would be needed for
the proper lenth of a MIlitary Faggot.
Vale, Respectfully;
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] An ICQ skin anyone? |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 05:42:34 -0700 |
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Salve Consul Audens
ICQ is an instant messaging program that is used to determine when friends
or in this case fellow citizens are online. Many internet applications have
skins to "personalize" them with the interest of the user. :) This is what
Sextus Appolonius Daco was referring too. If you go to www.icq.com or
www.mirablis.com you would be able to download the program.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
jmath669642reng@-------- wrote:
> Salve, Sextus Appolonius Daco;
>
> Since you address your question to the Onelist, it might be interesting
> if you provided a brief description of what your subject item is. In
> the present situation you have as much chance getting a response from me
> to you question as if I asked you what dimensions would be needed for
> the proper lenth of a MIlitary Faggot.
>
> Vale, Respectfully;
> Marcus Audens
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Tribune's Comment |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:23:00 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salvete, Tribune Australicus;
I do not think you were out one whit. I am only too well aware of the
abilities of my erstwhile "Chistian Compatriots." It was very nearly
necessary to run some religious fanatics of with a shotgun to get any
peace up here on my hill some years ago, and we have all seen such
antics here on the net.
I have been severely disappoined in four of the six churches that I have
belonged to in my Christain Experience and so keep pretty much to myself
in the religious sense, and use the forests near my hom as my
"Cathederal." It is much more satisfying. I haven't been "backbitten"
once since I took on the Cedars, Pines and Maples as my church-going
friends!!
I believe strongly in my faith, but I am not particularly excited about
many of those who share it, and as I grow older, I grow less tolerant of
stupidity, ignorance, and foolishness.
Vale, Respectfully;
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: SPQR????? |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 11:48:25 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salve,
The information that you require is in the NR Website, but I do not have
the exact location.
www.novaroma.org
You might also try the Onelist.
Vale, Respectfully;
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] An ICQ skin anyone? |
| From: |
"StormWolf" <blakmice@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 10:53:56 -0000 |
|
>That would be interesting...but I am not aware of any "skins" for ICQ.
Unlike
>programs like WinAmp that have a plethora of skins available. If this the
>possibility for skins for ICQ, I would be very interseted but I would need
to
>know what minimum version of ICQ it would be available. This is
considering
>that every single version of ICQ is Beta! If you can tell me if it is an
>option, I am sure I know many people in Earthlink who could probably create
>some skins! :)
Salve,
any version of ICQ can use them. You have to download ICQ Plus first
though
Vale,
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: An ICQ skin anyone? |
| From: |
"Aeternia Draconia" <fionaerin@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 16:05:22 -0000 |
|
--- Salve!
Speaking of icq, sadly enough mine seems to be dysfunctional. But
I'll give my icq# out anyway for those who want it 22909811. I also
have AIM on the sn of SyanneRose.
Vale
Aeternia Draconia
In novaroma@--------, "Jeroen Meuleman" <hendrik.meuleman@p...>
wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I have recently been pondering about an idea. Since a lot of Nova
Romans
> seem to be using ICQ as a tool to get in touch with each other, I
was
> wondering if there is a Roman theme skin out there, and if not,
would there
> be any interest in it?
> I myself can unfortunately not make skins for ICQ, but someone who
could
> deliver me an easy-to-use tool to make it, or who could even make
it him-
> or herself would be of great help to my idea; that is, if there are
people
> interested in it.
>
> Valete,
> Sextus Apollonius Draco
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Citizen Participation |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:59:49 +0200 |
|
Salvete Omnes!
Australicus Obstinatus recently posted these words:
"My feeling at this point is that this whole issue of names
and gender has
been talked to death. More than anything else, it has
convinced me that
unless more citizens get actively involved in the business
of Nova
Roman politics, you can kiss the "republic" aspect of Nova
Roma good-bye. _Some_ of your current magistrates have
already made it clear that they aren't interested in "the
population" having an active part in government decisions,
and they have conducted themselves like little tin-pot
Caesars, issuing imperial commands and denunciations while
asserting that their importance and their "dignitas" puts
them above the reproach of, for instance, a "mere Tribune."
Some of this goes on in private, so most of you won't know
everything to which I am referring."
__________________
I would like to make some practical philosophical
reflections on this theme. I have observed that there is a
*tendency* on the part of some cives to consider the
"authorities" as rather stupid, self-satisfied and
despicable tyrants, and a corresponding tendency among some
"authorities" to consider the cives to be querulous, lazy,
irresponsible backseat drivers and second guessers.
I do not think that either attitude is conducive to the
social health of our Respublica or to our satisfaction with
it.
I would like first to address myself to the authorities.
You often encourage the public to become more involved in
political life. This is fine advice as far as it goes.
However, this often seems to mean in your conception of it
specifically that they should either run for office or
accept an appointive position. This assumption brings in
serious limitations and does not answer to the situation.
In the first place, some cives have not been around long
enough to have run, since normally elections are only once a
year - a long time on the internet. And in any case not
everyone can be in an important government post every year.
The posts are not enough and not everyone has time. To
suppose that only those in office deserve or are able to
participate meaningfully in decision making is a mistake.
Participation, engagement, involvement in public debate,
complaining, questioning, calling our elected magistrates to
account - these are the only way that most of us can
influence public policy. To put it more bluntly: STANDING UP
IN THE FORUM AND MAKING A LOUD NOISE, THWARTING THE COURSE
OF ACTION THAT AUTHORITES WOULD TAKE LEFT TO THEMSELVES,
VOTING (PERHAPS) AGAINST WHAT THE LEADERSHIP WANTS - THAT IS
THE SUBSTANCE OF CITIZEN PARTICIPATION. It is the only way
for cives to make a difference in accordance with their
concerns and judgements.
All of these activities can of course be considered
"disruptive", a nuisance to the Magistrates and the more
apolitical cives. However, that is the *real political life*
in any healthily open and democratic state. These things are
not negative, but positive contributions. (Even though
certainly some people have made them unconstructively
sometimes.)
Accepting appointive posts does not solve the problem.
Appointive posts, rightly, do not have power, but are
ancillary to some Magistrate or another. But cives have the
desire and right to have a real and meaningful voice in
every issue in this Respublica that they consider to affect
them - not just to be part of the machinery that carries out
the decisions of the authorities. Being a politically active
citizen and being a civil servant are two different matters.
(Both may be good.)
On the other hand, our cives perceive that they are not
often meaningfully consulted except at election time, and
they naturally resent this, because with the internet
information dissemination and voting are so easy. However,
they must remember several things. First, that the "Iron Law
of Oligarchy" functions in cyberspace too. If there are ten
decision makers, each can capture ten percent of the total
attention of the group in a given amount of time or
publication space. That may often be enough to significantly
influence the group decision. If there are a hundred
decision makers, this drops to one percent, scarcely enough
to influence things greatly, unless one can get more than
one's equal share of time.
Thus, in any group there is a tendency for an oligarchy
to grow up, which is not a matter of vicious power hunger,
but of the natural structure of human societies. Democracy
can temper this and keep it under control, but it cannot
completely eliminate it, even with a public vote on every
issue.
Our oligarchy is the Senate and Magistrates. And the
Magistrates can be changed every year by popular vote. This
is a democratic system, and although cives always have a
right to call Magistrates to account (and probably should do
it more often and more aggressively, Tribunes!), no one
should doubt that our Magistrates have an electoral mandate.
(And if no one ran against them, that is not their fault!)
Their fundamental authority is legitimate. In some sense at
least they represent us all.
I am sure that the authorities also are always thinking,
when attacked, of the enormous amount of work many of them
do for Nova Roma. I am sure that it must amount for some of
them to almost another half-time job - unpaid. Then, too,
some of them have been around for much longer than others of
us and have a better historical perspective of developments
in Nova Roma, and they are better informed and have had time
to get to know the characters and talents and faults of a
relatively great number of cives and to build up a network
of collaborators. And very often their judgement will
because of all this be more mature and informed than that of
other cives, on some things. All of these things can be used
to serve all of Nova Roma. (Very much like the Roman
political aristocracy of old, in fact.)
I think that persons on each side of this dichotomy
should think of the above points. I further think that it
would be better for more matters to be determined by Senatus
Consulta than by Edicta, and more things to be determined by
Comitia voting than by Senatus Consulta. This would bring
about a greater sense of political participation and
belonging in the whole citizenry (and in a more orderly and
satisfactory way), and decrease the sense that the
Magistrates and Senate were ruling the State with a dubious
degree of public consent - an attitude which in fact reduces
their effective authority.
More in-depth reporting on Senate activities would also
be useful, so that citizens could know what their Senators
are doing, and so that they could more easily make public or
private comments to Senators relevant to various stages of a
given proposal's debate and passage. And the custom of
soliciting public opinion before issuing an edictum might
well be extended to the Senate's activities. If the populace
were asked in advance to submit suggestions, preferences and
information on matters to be brought up before the Senate,
it would in no wise detract from the Senate's power or
dignitas, but it would on the contrary make itself seem more
open and responsive to the wishes and wisdom of our whole
Nova Roma community, and so enhance the respect and love in
which it is held.
In stating the above, I am trying to encourage CONCORDIA
among all of us, something which I think has been damaged by
unrealistic notions on both sides of what "citizen
participation" means.
Valete!
Marcus Apollonius Formosanus,
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Triumvir Condens Sodalitatis Latinitatis Futurae
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Citizen Participation |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:17:41 -0000 |
|
Formosanus, you make some very good points in your post. I suppose I
qualify as one of the "authorities," so it is from that point of view
that I offer my reply.
There are many ways to participate in Nova Roma besides holding
office.
(However, I believe the Senate is about to issue a formal call for
volunteers for the now-vacant office of Rogator, so those of you
interested in participating on that level may want to consider
whether
you are willing to undertake those duties.)
First, you can participate by asking intelligent questions on this
list. Many a useful and interesting discussion has ensued here
because
someone fairly new to Nova Roma spoke up and asked something.
Beyond that, you can learn on your own and offer answers to others'
questions when they fall within your areas of knowledge. We can't all
know all there is to know about Roman history, literature, fashion,
tactics, cooking, religion, language and so forth, but we CAN study
that which interests us most. Whenever possible, it is a good idea to
give sources for historical information so that others may learn more.
You can help introduce others to Nova Roma, by being a positive
public
advocate for our organization, spreading information at local
universities, e-mail lists and other sources of knowledge. Be
creative!
You can become a positive social force within Nova Roma by
interacting
politely on the list, welcoming newcomers and refusing to be drawn
into
heated argument. You can express your views on political issues
respectfully yet firmly.
You can become active on behalf of your Provincia, helping to
organize
in-person meetings, museum trips, social gatherings and (for those
interested in such things) religious rituals. Contact your Praetor
for
more information on events currently being planned in your Provincia,
and to offer your energy and services. Consider holding an event at
which the public can be introduced to Nova Roma - a military
encampment, lecture-demonstration or school presentation.
If you are religious, whether Christian, Jewish, Pagan or other, you
can offer prayers for the peaceful growth of Nova Roma and greater
appreciation for Roman civilization.
There! Got enough to do yet?
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Citizen Participation |
| From: |
Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@--------> |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:14:08 +0200 |
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Salve, P. Cassia, M. A. Formosanus et alii,
I would like to raise my "electronic" voice to this unusual topic for me.
Iīm a citizen of this honourable micronation for a fairly short time. After
joining, and after my first steps as roman citizen, I thought about how I
can help Nova Roma. And I tried the ways you, P. Cassia, listed.
When I posted my first little statements to discussions on this list, I took
a bloody nose. Discussions are sometimes very hard. But participating on
this list is useful and should be a right for every citizen. So discussions
in this place is the best form for every citizen of participating in NR
affairs and businesses.
I think it was Q. Fabius Maximus who gave me a good adivse, when I tried my
first steps: ... so study, study and study again. This bonmot is right for
every Roman. Study history, social affairs and the way this micronation
runs. This is also a form of Citizen Participation.
M. A. Formosanus worte:
I have observed that there is a
*tendency* on the part of some cives to consider the
"authorities" as rather stupid, self-satisfied and
despicable tyrants, and a corresponding tendency among some
"authorities" to consider the cives to be querulous, lazy,
irresponsible backseat drivers and second guessers.
Every citizen should notice that holding an office is a task, which requires
a huge amount of knowledge regarding the consitution, the laws and edicts,
together with hard work. Noone is helped by insulting the magistrates.
Citizen, participate on the lowest level and do your best. And then try to
hold an office, if you want to do. You will see, itīs hard, most hard work.
We are _not_ a democracy, as ancient roman society wasnīt. But the
magistrates will do their best to achive the most for the Res Publica of
Nova Roma. Regarding the characteristics of the civites, as mentioend above:
Werenīt that also characteristics of the ancient romen people? Isnīt it
right that these characteristics also fits the people of modern states? We
must live with that. But we can - and must - also try to change this.
P. Cassia wrote:
> You can become a positive social force within Nova Roma by
> interacting
> politely on the list, welcoming newcomers and refusing to be drawn
> into
> heated argument. You can express your views on political issues
> respectfully yet firmly.
This is the right word. Be respectfully, act as a Roman. Take a look on the
roman virtues. If this virtues are your own virtues too, then act and
participate. Donīt forget the virtues, donīt forget you are a Roman.
P. Cassia wrote:
> You can become active on behalf of your Provincia, helping to
> organize
> in-person meetings, museum trips, social gatherings and (for those
> interested in such things) religious rituals. Contact your Praetor
> for
> more information on events currently being planned in your Provincia,
> and to offer your energy and services. Consider holding an event at
> which the public can be introduced to Nova Roma - a military
> encampment, lecture-demonstration or school presentation.
The provinces are the limbs of Nova Roma. Citizen, donīt forget you are also
member of a province.The provinces need the most help. Each Propraetor, each
Legatus will be glad to find a citizen who is able and willing to take part
in the provinces businesses.
P. Cassia wrote:
>
> If you are religious, whether Christian, Jewish, Pagan or other, you
> can offer prayers for the peaceful growth of Nova Roma and greater
> appreciation for Roman civilization.
To be a Roman means to be a religious human being. The ancient Romans
thought, that their task of ruling the world was provided by the gods,
because the Romans were the most religious people on earth. Citizen, donīt
forget this. Praying is one way to parcitipate in NR developement.
Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Engaged Citizen
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] ATTN: Edictum |
| From: |
RexMarcius@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:22:47 EDT |
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This is an edictum propraetoricium,
enacted by Marcus Marcius Rex, Propraetor Germaniae Provinciae.
I. A provincial Web-Site (www.novaroma.de) shall be introduced in the
Provincia Germania. A Scribus shall be responsible for its maintenance. Caius
Flavius Diocletianus, Legatus Germaniae, is hereby appointed to this office
of Scribus.
II. The Provincial Web-Site shall serve as the gateway to the provincial
government for all Nova Roma citizens and other people interested in the
furtherance of the goals of Nova Roma. For this purpose the provincial
Web-Site shall provide for the following:
a) Information regarding the provincia and its historical background
b) Public fora in the form of message boards and the like
c) A "Tabularium" containing
i) Nova Roma laws, senatus consulta and edicta having relevance for the
province
ii) Reports by the Governor to the Senate
iii) Yearly provincial budgets and yearly budget reports
d) "Digestes" containing private and official legal opinions about the law of
Nova Roma and cases decided by the Praetors and the Comitias; private legal
opinions have to be approved by the provincial Governor or a legatus before
they may be posted by the responsible Scribus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Anybody interested in a London Nova Roma group.? |
| From: |
DTibbe2926@-------- |
| Date: |
Sun, 25 Jun 2000 19:08:11 EDT |
|
Nova Roma already has a presence in the UK through the (re)creation of the
province of Britannia. Our esteemed praetor, Nicolaus Moravia Vado, is
currently away but I'm sure will be in touch on his return.
You might want to sign up to the Britannia list on egroups too.
Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus
Praefectus Aerarii Britanniae
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Latin Right Here! |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
| Date: |
Mon, 26 Jun 2000 01:14:07 +0200 |
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Salvete Novoromani Novoromanaeque!
As you probably are already aware, a Latin Sodality (the
Sodalitas Latinitatis) is now being considered by our
Senate. One of its aims, which I spearheaded, was the
creation of a really first-rate on-line Latin course for
Novoromans and others. (And who knows, eventually a whole
on-line Latin Academy of Nova Roma?!)
This will take some time. In the meanwhile, I would like to
propose to all the Novoromani on this list a course of short
lessons on aspects of Latin of practical use for us here in
Nova Roma in our everyday lives. Things like correct forms
for letters, greetings, etc., as well as Latin plurals of
our commonly-used terms and the like. I am sure that many of
us here have studied a little Latin, but are not sure about
its more practical aspects (often dismally neglected in the
schools), or have never really studied it and would like to
be able to do a few basic things with it with a feeling of
confidence, perhaps as a step to future attainments.
This is not a replacement for the regular course, which will
be coming along and be available elsewhere in Nova Roma. I
shall post these lessons a few times a week on this list,
and I shall make copies to be on hand for later reference at
the eGroups site for this list. All lessons will begin with
the heading "NR Practical Latin:", so that if you have no
interest you can delete or skip them easily.
If I receive numerous discouraging posts or private death
threats, I may be discouraged from continuing. If I receive
encouragement or ideas for the treatment of certain matters
(or even unsoliceted funds through the mail), I shall post
them more intensively. :-)
All lessons will tend to be short, painless, user friendly,
and practical (or at least interesting). So, here is the
first:
NR PRACTICAL LATIN: Informal Salutations
In Nova Roman e-mail messages it is common to use Latin
salutations. These normally begin with "Salve" (SAHL-way) in
the singular and "Salvete" (sahl-WAY-tay) in the plural.
This word ("salvere") means to be well, and these forms are
imperative. Latin, unlike English, has different imperative
forms in singular and plural, depending on how many people
you are giving your command to.
Following this there is the name or title of the person
or persons being addressed. This word or these words are in
the Vocative Case (Casus Vocativus). The Vocative is used
for anyone or anything we are speaking to. In English there
is no special form to indicate this. {Sometimes poets and
orators will still put an "O" in front of the vocative word,
however: "O Citizens!" This is in imitation of Latin, which
also often adds the same "O": "O Romani!"}
In Latin there is also usually no change of form from
the Nominative (the case that we normally write our names
in). However, there are three special cases - two very
common ones - when the ending is not the same as the
Nominative, and that is the trick to getting this right.
Masculine names of people usually end in "-US". These
endings must be changed to "-E". So, you say to me *not*
"Salve, Marcus!" but "Salve, Marce!" And "Salvete Brute,
Feste, Maxime, Traiane!"
Another special case with men in the singular is those
names ending in "-IUS". For these the "-US" is simply
dropped off, leaving "-I" at the end. "Salve, Corneli!" Note
that also "Gaius" becomes "Gai" in the same manner. [And in
the fairly rare case of names ending in -AUS (one syllable),
the form changes to -AE, pronouced here as two syllables:
Salvete Venceslae, Nicolae, Iaroslae!]
That is all there is to it! All other forms, those not
ending in a -US, have no special forms in either single or
plural. So, "Salvete Iuppiter, Apollo, Iulia, Pontifex,
Quirites, Novoromani, Consul, Censor, Sulla, Praetor!"
Add a "Vale!" (WAH-lay) or "Valete! (wah-LAY-tay) (from
"valere" to be hale and strong) at the end, write your
signature in the normal, unchanged Nominative, and you have
a message with a nice Latin flavour, suitable for the Nova
Roman list.
Valete!
Marcus Apollonius Formosanus,
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae,
Triumvir Condens Sodalitatis Latinitatis Futurae
Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
ICQ# 61698049
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