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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Citizen Participation
From:	Gaius Pontius <c_pontius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:08:06 -0700

Salvete, (thanx Marcus Apollonius Formosanus!)

I am very new to this list and as a citizen, only a few days, and I have
some preliminary views on citizen participation as described in the posts.
As I see it, our purpose here is to reinstate the general theme of the
Roman Republic/Empire. This includes civilian and governmental aspects to
old Rome. I think that if any of us consider the virtues and apply them to
our daily lives, we are participating.

As far as governmental participation goes, I don't think it is very
necessary. Not everyone is interested in the political side of things. But
just as it applies in any culture, the old saying applies here: If you
don't lend a hand then you have little right to complain. Those who are in
the government of Nova Roma are VERY important and they should be greatly
respected in taking on a leadership role in this very challenging environment.

As far as the "best form of government", I think that our ultimate role
model is old Rome. The Roman Republic is the model by which we should shape
our government. In my humble opinion, we are not here to "correct" old
Rome. We are here because we like Rome, the ideals of Rome and the Roman
way of life.

That's all I have for now.

Valete,

C. Pontius
ICQ UIN: 37722064

At 06:59 PM 6/25/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Salvete Omnes!
>
>Australicus Obstinatus recently posted these words:
>
>"My feeling at this point is that this whole issue of names
>and gender has
>been talked to death. More than anything else, it has
>convinced me that
>unless more citizens get actively involved in the business
>of Nova
>Roman politics, you can kiss the "republic" aspect of Nova
>Roma good-bye. _Some_ of your current magistrates have
>already made it clear that they aren't interested in "the
>population" having an active part in government decisions,
>and they have conducted themselves like little tin-pot
>Caesars, issuing imperial commands and denunciations while
>asserting that their importance and their "dignitas" puts
>them above the reproach of, for instance, a "mere Tribune."
>Some of this goes on in private, so most of you won't know
>everything to which I am referring."
>__________________
>
> I would like to make some practical philosophical
>reflections on this theme. I have observed that there is a
>*tendency* on the part of some cives to consider the
>"authorities" as rather stupid, self-satisfied and
>despicable tyrants, and a corresponding tendency among some
>"authorities" to consider the cives to be querulous, lazy,
>irresponsible backseat drivers and second guessers.
>
> I do not think that either attitude is conducive to the
>social health of our Respublica or to our satisfaction with
>it.
>
> I would like first to address myself to the authorities.
>You often encourage the public to become more involved in
>political life. This is fine advice as far as it goes.
>However, this often seems to mean in your conception of it
>specifically that they should either run for office or
>accept an appointive position. This assumption brings in
>serious limitations and does not answer to the situation.
>
> In the first place, some cives have not been around long
>enough to have run, since normally elections are only once a
>year - a long time on the internet. And in any case not
>everyone can be in an important government post every year.
>The posts are not enough and not everyone has time. To
>suppose that only those in office deserve or are able to
>participate meaningfully in decision making is a mistake.
>Participation, engagement, involvement in public debate,
>complaining, questioning, calling our elected magistrates to
>account - these are the only way that most of us can
>influence public policy. To put it more bluntly: STANDING UP
>IN THE FORUM AND MAKING A LOUD NOISE, THWARTING THE COURSE
>OF ACTION THAT AUTHORITES WOULD TAKE LEFT TO THEMSELVES,
>VOTING (PERHAPS) AGAINST WHAT THE LEADERSHIP WANTS - THAT IS
>THE SUBSTANCE OF CITIZEN PARTICIPATION. It is the only way
>for cives to make a difference in accordance with their
>concerns and judgements.
>
> All of these activities can of course be considered
>"disruptive", a nuisance to the Magistrates and the more
>apolitical cives. However, that is the *real political life*
>in any healthily open and democratic state. These things are
>not negative, but positive contributions. (Even though
>certainly some people have made them unconstructively
>sometimes.)
>
> Accepting appointive posts does not solve the problem.
>Appointive posts, rightly, do not have power, but are
>ancillary to some Magistrate or another. But cives have the
>desire and right to have a real and meaningful voice in
>every issue in this Respublica that they consider to affect
>them - not just to be part of the machinery that carries out
>the decisions of the authorities. Being a politically active
>citizen and being a civil servant are two different matters.
>(Both may be good.)
>
> On the other hand, our cives perceive that they are not
>often meaningfully consulted except at election time, and
>they naturally resent this, because with the internet
>information dissemination and voting are so easy. However,
>they must remember several things. First, that the "Iron Law
>of Oligarchy" functions in cyberspace too. If there are ten
>decision makers, each can capture ten percent of the total
>attention of the group in a given amount of time or
>publication space. That may often be enough to significantly
>influence the group decision. If there are a hundred
>decision makers, this drops to one percent, scarcely enough
>to influence things greatly, unless one can get more than
>one's equal share of time.
>
> Thus, in any group there is a tendency for an oligarchy
>to grow up, which is not a matter of vicious power hunger,
>but of the natural structure of human societies. Democracy
>can temper this and keep it under control, but it cannot
>completely eliminate it, even with a public vote on every
>issue.
>
> Our oligarchy is the Senate and Magistrates. And the
>Magistrates can be changed every year by popular vote. This
>is a democratic system, and although cives always have a
>right to call Magistrates to account (and probably should do
>it more often and more aggressively, Tribunes!), no one
>should doubt that our Magistrates have an electoral mandate.
>(And if no one ran against them, that is not their fault!)
>Their fundamental authority is legitimate. In some sense at
>least they represent us all.
>
> I am sure that the authorities also are always thinking,
>when attacked, of the enormous amount of work many of them
>do for Nova Roma. I am sure that it must amount for some of
>them to almost another half-time job - unpaid. Then, too,
>some of them have been around for much longer than others of
>us and have a better historical perspective of developments
>in Nova Roma, and they are better informed and have had time
>to get to know the characters and talents and faults of a
>relatively great number of cives and to build up a network
>of collaborators. And very often their judgement will
>because of all this be more mature and informed than that of
>other cives, on some things. All of these things can be used
>to serve all of Nova Roma. (Very much like the Roman
>political aristocracy of old, in fact.)
>
> I think that persons on each side of this dichotomy
>should think of the above points. I further think that it
>would be better for more matters to be determined by Senatus
>Consulta than by Edicta, and more things to be determined by
>Comitia voting than by Senatus Consulta. This would bring
>about a greater sense of political participation and
>belonging in the whole citizenry (and in a more orderly and
>satisfactory way), and decrease the sense that the
>Magistrates and Senate were ruling the State with a dubious
>degree of public consent - an attitude which in fact reduces
>their effective authority.
>
> More in-depth reporting on Senate activities would also
>be useful, so that citizens could know what their Senators
>are doing, and so that they could more easily make public or
>private comments to Senators relevant to various stages of a
>given proposal's debate and passage. And the custom of
>soliciting public opinion before issuing an edictum might
>well be extended to the Senate's activities. If the populace
>were asked in advance to submit suggestions, preferences and
>information on matters to be brought up before the Senate,
>it would in no wise detract from the Senate's power or
>dignitas, but it would on the contrary make itself seem more
>open and responsive to the wishes and wisdom of our whole
>Nova Roma community, and so enhance the respect and love in
>which it is held.
>
> In stating the above, I am trying to encourage CONCORDIA
>among all of us, something which I think has been damaged by
>unrealistic notions on both sides of what "citizen
>participation" means.
>
>Valete!
>
>
>Marcus Apollonius Formosanus,
>Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae,
>Triumvir Condens Sodalitatis Latinitatis Futurae
>Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
>ICQ# 61698049
>________________________________________________________
>
>Si vis omnia tibi subicere, te subice Rationi. (Seneca)
>[Se vi deziras subigi chion al vi, subigu vin al Racio.]
>________________________________________________________
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] RE: Citizen participation
From:	Gaius Pontius <c_pontius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:22:04 -0700


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Salve, Im new!
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Jun 2000 20:37:35 GMT

Salve, Gaius Pontius:

Welcome to Nova Roma..and this list is, I feel, the very best place to
introduce yourself.

I hope you enjoy our community as much as I do :)

Vale,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo

>From: Gaius Pontius <elokk@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: Romans <novaroma@-------->
>Subject: [novaroma] Salve, Im new!
>Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 17:42:06 -0700
>
>Salve all! My name is Gaius Pontius and I am a new member of Nova Roma. I
>thought I should introduce myself and I hope this is an acceptable outlet
>for doing so. In this email I will discuss myself, my interests, what I
>want from Nova Roma and what I can offer to the glory of the Republic.
>
>I was born in Portland Oregon in the United States of America. I lived
>there for 10 years, and then moved to Omaha Nebraska. I now live in
>Seattle Washington and Have been here for the past 9 years; I am 24 years
>old. I have traveled to every state in the US besides Alaska and
>Hawaii. In addition, I have been to Canada and Mexico. I am very
>interested in other cultures and I am going to be traveling to other
>countries as soon as I possess the financial means to do so.
>
>My intellectual interests range widely. I have come up with a small list
>of topics I am interested in, here it is:
>
>History
>Science
>Magick
>Philosophy
>Military
>Politics
>Cultures around the world
>Languages, current and ancient
>
>That is all I could think of off the top of my head; there are many more
>that did not come to me. I hope that I will be able to learn as well as
>teach here in Nova Roma.
>
>Essentially what interested me in Nova Roma was the Republic aspect. I
>have always thought that the Roman Republic should be resurrected and I am
>glad to see others agree. I intend on participating in the political
>aspect of Nova Roma. I have quite a few ideas I think we could easily
>implement and I think that we have a bright future ahead of us.
>
>I am interested in meeting as many of you as possible and I hope that we
>can come up with many good topics for debate and learning.
>
>Vale!
>Gaius Pontius Corvus
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Citizen Participation
From:	Gaius Pontius <c_pontius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:55:44 -0700

Salvete, (thanx Marcus Apollonius Formosanus!)

I am very new to this list and as a citizen, only a few days, and I have
some preliminary views on citizen participation as described in the
posts. As I see it, our purpose here is to reinstate the general theme of
the Roman Republic/Empire. This includes civilian and governmental aspects
to old Rome. I think that if any of us consider the virtues and apply them
to our daily lives, we are participating.

As far as governmental participation goes, I don't think it is very
necessary. Not everyone is interested in the political side of
things. But just as it applies in any culture, the old saying applies
here: If you don't lend a hand then you have little right to
complain. Those who are in the government of Nova Roma are VERY important
and they should be greatly respected in taking on a leadership role in this
very challenging environment.

As far as the "best form of government", I think that our ultimate role
model is old Rome. The Roman Republic is the model by which we should
shape our government. In my humble opinion, we are not here to "correct"
old Rome. We are here because we like Rome, the ideals of Rome and the
Roman way of life.

That's all I have for now.

Valete,

C. Pontius

At 06:59 PM 6/25/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Salvete Omnes!
>
>Australicus Obstinatus recently posted these words:
>
>"My feeling at this point is that this whole issue of names
>and gender has
>been talked to death. More than anything else, it has
>convinced me that
>unless more citizens get actively involved in the business
>of Nova
>Roman politics, you can kiss the "republic" aspect of Nova
>Roma good-bye. _Some_ of your current magistrates have
>already made it clear that they aren't interested in "the
>population" having an active part in government decisions,
>and they have conducted themselves like little tin-pot
>Caesars, issuing imperial commands and denunciations while
>asserting that their importance and their "dignitas" puts
>them above the reproach of, for instance, a "mere Tribune."
>Some of this goes on in private, so most of you won't know
>everything to which I am referring."
>__________________
>
> I would like to make some practical philosophical
>reflections on this theme. I have observed that there is a
>*tendency* on the part of some cives to consider the
>"authorities" as rather stupid, self-satisfied and
>despicable tyrants, and a corresponding tendency among some
>"authorities" to consider the cives to be querulous, lazy,
>irresponsible backseat drivers and second guessers.
>
> I do not think that either attitude is conducive to the
>social health of our Respublica or to our satisfaction with
>it.
>
> I would like first to address myself to the authorities.
>You often encourage the public to become more involved in
>political life. This is fine advice as far as it goes.
>However, this often seems to mean in your conception of it
>specifically that they should either run for office or
>accept an appointive position. This assumption brings in
>serious limitations and does not answer to the situation.
>
> In the first place, some cives have not been around long
>enough to have run, since normally elections are only once a
>year - a long time on the internet. And in any case not
>everyone can be in an important government post every year.
>The posts are not enough and not everyone has time. To
>suppose that only those in office deserve or are able to
>participate meaningfully in decision making is a mistake.
>Participation, engagement, involvement in public debate,
>complaining, questioning, calling our elected magistrates to
>account - these are the only way that most of us can
>influence public policy. To put it more bluntly: STANDING UP
>IN THE FORUM AND MAKING A LOUD NOISE, THWARTING THE COURSE
>OF ACTION THAT AUTHORITES WOULD TAKE LEFT TO THEMSELVES,
>VOTING (PERHAPS) AGAINST WHAT THE LEADERSHIP WANTS - THAT IS
>THE SUBSTANCE OF CITIZEN PARTICIPATION. It is the only way
>for cives to make a difference in accordance with their
>concerns and judgements.
>
> All of these activities can of course be considered
>"disruptive", a nuisance to the Magistrates and the more
>apolitical cives. However, that is the *real political life*
>in any healthily open and democratic state. These things are
>not negative, but positive contributions. (Even though
>certainly some people have made them unconstructively
>sometimes.)
>
> Accepting appointive posts does not solve the problem.
>Appointive posts, rightly, do not have power, but are
>ancillary to some Magistrate or another. But cives have the
>desire and right to have a real and meaningful voice in
>every issue in this Respublica that they consider to affect
>them - not just to be part of the machinery that carries out
>the decisions of the authorities. Being a politically active
>citizen and being a civil servant are two different matters.
>(Both may be good.)
>
> On the other hand, our cives perceive that they are not
>often meaningfully consulted except at election time, and
>they naturally resent this, because with the internet
>information dissemination and voting are so easy. However,
>they must remember several things. First, that the "Iron Law
>of Oligarchy" functions in cyberspace too. If there are ten
>decision makers, each can capture ten percent of the total
>attention of the group in a given amount of time or
>publication space. That may often be enough to significantly
>influence the group decision. If there are a hundred
>decision makers, this drops to one percent, scarcely enough
>to influence things greatly, unless one can get more than
>one's equal share of time.
>
> Thus, in any group there is a tendency for an oligarchy
>to grow up, which is not a matter of vicious power hunger,
>but of the natural structure of human societies. Democracy
>can temper this and keep it under control, but it cannot
>completely eliminate it, even with a public vote on every
>issue.
>
> Our oligarchy is the Senate and Magistrates. And the
>Magistrates can be changed every year by popular vote. This
>is a democratic system, and although cives always have a
>right to call Magistrates to account (and probably should do
>it more often and more aggressively, Tribunes!), no one
>should doubt that our Magistrates have an electoral mandate.
>(And if no one ran against them, that is not their fault!)
>Their fundamental authority is legitimate. In some sense at
>least they represent us all.
>
> I am sure that the authorities also are always thinking,
>when attacked, of the enormous amount of work many of them
>do for Nova Roma. I am sure that it must amount for some of
>them to almost another half-time job - unpaid. Then, too,
>some of them have been around for much longer than others of
>us and have a better historical perspective of developments
>in Nova Roma, and they are better informed and have had time
>to get to know the characters and talents and faults of a
>relatively great number of cives and to build up a network
>of collaborators. And very often their judgement will
>because of all this be more mature and informed than that of
>other cives, on some things. All of these things can be used
>to serve all of Nova Roma. (Very much like the Roman
>political aristocracy of old, in fact.)
>
> I think that persons on each side of this dichotomy
>should think of the above points. I further think that it
>would be better for more matters to be determined by Senatus
>Consulta than by Edicta, and more things to be determined by
>Comitia voting than by Senatus Consulta. This would bring
>about a greater sense of political participation and
>belonging in the whole citizenry (and in a more orderly and
>satisfactory way), and decrease the sense that the
>Magistrates and Senate were ruling the State with a dubious
>degree of public consent - an attitude which in fact reduces
>their effective authority.
>
> More in-depth reporting on Senate activities would also
>be useful, so that citizens could know what their Senators
>are doing, and so that they could more easily make public or
>private comments to Senators relevant to various stages of a
>given proposal's debate and passage. And the custom of
>soliciting public opinion before issuing an edictum might
>well be extended to the Senate's activities. If the populace
>were asked in advance to submit suggestions, preferences and
>information on matters to be brought up before the Senate,
>it would in no wise detract from the Senate's power or
>dignitas, but it would on the contrary make itself seem more
>open and responsive to the wishes and wisdom of our whole
>Nova Roma community, and so enhance the respect and love in
>which it is held.
>
> In stating the above, I am trying to encourage CONCORDIA
>among all of us, something which I think has been damaged by
>unrealistic notions on both sides of what "citizen
>participation" means.
>
>Valete!
>
>
>Marcus Apollonius Formosanus,
>Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae,
>Triumvir Condens Sodalitatis Latinitatis Futurae
>Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
>ICQ# 61698049
>________________________________________________________
>
>Si vis omnia tibi subicere, te subice Rationi. (Seneca)
>[Se vi deziras subigi chion al vi, subigu vin al Racio.]
>________________________________________________________
>
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Comings and goings...
From:	DrususCornelius@--------
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 2000 02:01:25 EDT

Salvete,

A few days ago I decided to resign my citizenship from Nova Roma. I was
very upset about certain things going on in my life. Spiritual and emotional
crises caused me to make a decision that I quickly found myself regretting.
I took out my frustration with other aspects of my life on Nova Roma. For
that I apologize. Since then I have petitioned Lucius Cornelius Sulla to
allow me to return. He has graciously allowed me back into Nova Roma and to
his gens Cornelia. I take, of course, full repsonsibility for my actions...
and I can only ask the citizens of Nova Roma to forgive me (or at least to
not lynch me).

Thank you for understanding,
S.P.Q.R. Valete!
Drusus Cornelius Claudius

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Comings and goings...
From:	"Aeternia Draconia" <fionaerin@-------->
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 2000 07:19:32 -0000

---awwwww!! of course I forgive ya!! Wait wasn't it me who didn't
want you to go in the first place? See I knew you would come back!!
What did I tell ya. Anyway welcome back and try to stay out of trouble
;-)...

Vale
Your Impish Friend
Tink (Aeternia Draconia)

In novaroma@--------, DrususCornelius@a... wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> A few days ago I decided to resign my citizenship from Nova
Roma. I was
> very upset about certain things going on in my life. Spiritual and
emotional
> crises caused me to make a decision that I quickly found myself
regretting.
> I took out my frustration with other aspects of my life on Nova
Roma. For
> that I apologize. Since then I have petitioned Lucius Cornelius
Sulla to
> allow me to return. He has graciously allowed me back into Nova
Roma and to
> his gens Cornelia. I take, of course, full repsonsibility for my
actions...
> and I can only ask the citizens of Nova Roma to forgive me (or at
least to
> not lynch me).
>
> Thank you for understanding,
> S.P.Q.R. Valete!
> Drusus Cornelius Claudius

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Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem V Kalendas Quinctilis (June 27th)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 2000 12:12:11 +0100

Salvete omnes

I'm sorry for being late, but yesterday I was busy with a meeting with
another researcher of the Mithraic Mysteries. He is from Chicago and came to
Portugal and Spain to spend his honeymoon. I had met him I think not more
than 1 month ago on the mithras@-------- list. The path of the Mysteries
is difficult, and as the verse of the Mithraeum of Santa Prisca says, "we
must sustain clouded times together through the rite".

Here is the religious note for yesterday, a very important day.
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This is one of the dies comitiales (C), when committees of citizens can vote
on political or criminal matters.

This is the Dies Natalis of the temple of Iuppiter Stator ("Jupiter the
Stayor") dedicated by Romulus. The temple was vowed by Romulus during a
battle against the Sabines if Iuppiter helped him to rally the Roman
warriors who were in retreat from the are of the Forum. Iuppiter complied
and the Romans, holding their ground, defeated the Sabines. The temple was
built on the spot where Romulus rallied his troops, east of the House of the
Vestals at the foot of the Palatinus.

Pax Deorum vobiscum

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex


Subject:	[novaroma] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Troy_and_the_Aene=EFs?=
From:	"Jeroen Meuleman" <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:49:32 +0200

Salvete omnes,

I thought I'd just throw my two cents in on the matter of the Quaetio
Homerica, and if the Romans could *really* be descendants from the Trojans.
Taking Homeros' Ilias as a source, I have always found is strange that
Aeneas, who was the second leader of the Trojan army after the great
Hektor, kept surviving the battle, even though he is twice almost killed.
This is remarkable, because all other Trojan noblemen are somewhere killed,
either be it in the Ilias or later in the Iliupersis (which was re-told in
the Aene�s), and the only person of any significance to have survived, a
part from the women, was Aeneas. Although it is certain that Vergilius'
primary motive was not telling a truthful story, there may have been a
*little something* to it, who knows.

Valete,
Sextus Apollonius Draco

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Comings and goings...
From:	Megas-Robinson <amgunn@-------->
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 2000 09:50:59 -0500

Drusus Cornelius,

Your Pater welcomes you once again. I, as his friend, do likewise.

Take what wisdom you can from your "time in the woods*" and go onwards from it.

Vale - Venator

* A term used by my friends in the Anglo-Saxon Theodish Belief religious group. One is confronted
by a personal Epiphany, a moment of Eureka and it may drive you away "into the woods" until the
thoughts sort out. They expect such moments, and usually the person "in the woods" comes through it
stronger and ready to move on, or sometimes they just fade away. Drusus has apparantly come out for
the better.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Responses to My Post re: Ancient Ocean Vessels
From:	"Tertia Albia" <albia@-------->
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:01:44 -0700

Salve Omnis!

I am sorry to make this so frightfully short, as well as tardy, but I just
wanted to thank everyone who posted information and links regarding my query
into ancient ocean going vessels. - I have been tied up by the work
gremlins and now I am off on a sailing holiday (Oregon, USA) so I willl not
be able to post for another week.

I hope everyone in Canada & the USA enjoys their holiday for the
maro-nations :) Does NR have any such (micro-)national founding celebration?

Thanks Again,

O==(==============>

Tertia Albia Caesia

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Brittania & ICQ
From:	"Tertia Albia" <albia@-------->
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:43:02 -0700

Salvete Omnes!

You might want to sign up to the Britannia list on egroups too.

Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus
Praefectus Aerarii Britanniae

I have been unable to find Brittania on Egroups - it does not come up in a
search for me - If you are the moderator, or know who is, I wonder if you
could send me an invitation to join?

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Salvete omnes,
>
> I have recently been pondering about an idea. Since a lot of Nova Romans
> seem to be using ICQ as a tool to get in touch with each other, I was
> wondering if there is a Roman theme skin out there, and if not, would there
> be any interest in it?
> I myself can unfortunately not make skins for ICQ, but someone who could
> deliver me an easy-to-use tool to make it, or who could even make it him-
> or herself would be of great help to my idea; that is, if there are people
> interested in it.
>
> Valete,
> Sextus Apollonius Draco

If you have a particular image or background in mind - please forward it to
me and I can use it to produce a skin for you. I just made a few Pharoh
Computer Game skins for the Internet Explorer (www.hotbar.com) and there is
a Roman one there already for those interested... I am glad this subject has
come up because I just set myself up with Yahoo Messenger (id:
Albia3@--------) and ICQ (id#: 77556441) and wanted to update everyone on
this.

Bene valete,

Tertia Albia Caesia

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Subject:	[novaroma] [Fwd: [emn] Important Announcement]
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@-------->
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 2000 08:40:31 -0700

I thought this might be important to forward. :)

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

The eGroups Team wrote:

> Dear eGroups Moderator:
>
> eGroups is very pleased to announce that we are joining the Yahoo! family of
> services! To learn more about the announcement, you can read the press
> release at http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/000628/ca_yahoo.html
>
> As a group moderator, you can assure your group members that eGroups and
> Yahoo! will continue to provide the same level of service and commitment
> that you have come to expect from both companies. We are very excited
> about extending the opportunities and new offerings that will emerge
> from this relationship to you and your group. We're just beginning to
> explore the possibilities and new features that we'll be able to offer
> as a combined company. As we go through this process, we pledge to
> solicit your feedback on any proposed changes and keep you up-to-date on
> any changes to the eGroups service.
>
> We are committed to sharing accurate and timely information with you
> about the service and the merger as it becomes available, but at this
> time, we don't have any specific details beyond what's included in the
> press release. We will keep you posted, but in the meantime, please
> continue to use the service as normal.
>
> Thank you,
>
> The folks at eGroups and Yahoo! Customer Care

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Brittania & ICQ
From:	DTibbe2926@--------
Date:	Wed, 28 Jun 2000 19:12:11 EDT

As far as I know the Britannia list is unmoderated.

Forgive me for pointing this out but is your inability to find the list
because you are spelling BRITANNIA wrong?

It's a common mistake to spell the word with two Ts and one N as you did in
your posting.

Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus

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