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Subject:	[novaroma] =?iso-8859-1?q?Patrici=E6_Cassi=E6_Apollonio_Formosanoque?=
From:	"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <danielov@-------->
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 2000 00:47:15 -0000

L. Pompeius Octavianus Patricić Cassić Apollonio Formosanoque
S.P.D.
S.V.B.E.E.V.
Recte dicis Patricia!!. Apollonio's lessons are excellent. His
explanations are very clear and easy to understand. Apolloni, tibi
gratias ago

--- In novaroma@--------, "pjane@j... " <pjane@j...> wrote:
> Patricia Cassia Apollonio Formosano S.P.D.
>
> I think many Nova Romans will join me in thanking you for that
> excellent lesson!
>
> Vale,
> P. Cassia

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Subject:	[novaroma] Problem with amazon Links.
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:10:37 -0700

http://www.novaroma.org/macellum/bookstore.html goes to a blank page. It has been this way for at least 2 days. Is there anything being done to correct this. :) I was trying to go shopping for another book :)

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

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Subject:	[novaroma] Web Page Problem
From:	Lykaion1@--------
Date:	Thu, 29 Jun 2000 22:50:29 EDT

The timeline for the Imperial period in the Camenaeum cannot be found or
accessed.

The other timelines are available.

Festus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Next 2 issues of the Eagle
From:	bcatfd@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 2000 03:52:58 -0000

Salvete,

Some of you have inquired about the status of the Eagle. Quite
obviously, I have fallen behind in the publishing schedule. That has
changed. One issue is at the printer's office and will be sent out to
subscribers directly from there. Another issue is 3 or 4 days from
being sent to the printer's and should follow in the mail from there
a week or 2 after. I should be completely caught up soon.

My apologies to all subscribers for any inconvienience. If you have
any questions about the Eagle or about the status of your
subscription, please email me directly at bcatfd@-------- as I
will probably not see it if you post it here.

Valete,

In Service to Rome,
Decius Iunius Palladius,
Curator Differum

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Web Page Problem
From:	Piscinus@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 2000 10:43:31 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Lykaion1@c... wrote:
> The timeline for the Imperial period in the Camenaeum cannot be
found or
> accessed.
>
> The other timelines are available.
>
> Festus

Apparently there are other problems as well. I have been unable to
access the Priest list off the main webpage for the past two days.

Piscine

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Lamps
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 2000 06:52:46 EDT

In a message dated 6/29/00 3:45:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
fionaerin@-------- writes:

<< I was wondering if anyone could tell where would be the best place to
look for purchasing a Roman Lamp? I've been meaning to get one and
hadn't had a clue to look for one. Thanks.
>>

Salve,

Are you looking for a reproduction oil lamp, or an original ancient piece?

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The (Nova-)Roman Republic
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 2000 07:59:17 EDT

In a message dated 6/29/00 1:04:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time, S.A. Draco
(hendrik.meuleman@--------) writes:

Draco:
<< After all, there *is* quite a difference between making the
politics of the Senate more "accessible" to the common Nova Roman and
making it a total democracy where politicians are stuntmen rather than
people with some ideologies. I agree with much that was said in *both*
postings, but I do raise an eyebrow at the fact that Senate membership is
for a lifetime. It may be adequate in a way that they don't have to waste
their energy on elections and things like that, but there are other options
of (re-)elections, such as being (re-)elected on basis of the Quirites'
opinions on the capacities and things done for the NR community of the
candidate for the Senate.

Cassius:
The difficulty I find with this is that its a huge and fundamental departure
from the ancient Roman system. One of the most basic expressions of Roman is
"stability", the idea that people who have a permanent stake in something
will put forth the most consistent effort to maintain it. This is why Rome
was based on the family as it's most basic unit. This is why property
ownership and stake in social community were for so long the criteria for
being a soldier, knight, or senator. Elected officials are just as apt to
serve the people (read that *their* people) better than the state itself...
because their status depends on their popularity and electability.

The Roman system is to balance between the tyranny of a single ruler, and the
whims of the mob. Neither of those courses has ever proved to be stable. To
make all governmental positions elected is to assure that Nova Roma will veer
from one popular course to the next, depending on who's the best at whipping
up Citizen opinion. We have elected magistrates and FAR better than ancient
lines of communication to make sure that the will of the People is heard.
Must we remove all signs of permanence as well to match that? Remember, with
instant communication Nova Roma will always move faster than ancient Rome and
for us stability is a commodity that is in short supply, rather than in
excess.

Draco:
Because no matter how clear-minded a lot of
people here are, within a few decades, the Senate could become a bulwark of
conservatism and even dogmaticism, and if the Nova Romans can't have
something to say about that, this is what eventually, someday, can and will
happen. This is not a reproach to the current Senators of course, but I am
just talking about human nature in general. If I well remember, among the
(artistic) ancient Roman virtues was imitatio, (namely to take over another
artist's style or theme to honor him or her), but also aemulatio (to
improve it)! Nova Roma is indeed a more modern community than Antiqua Roma,
but that doesn't mean there can be always room for more improvement.

Cassius:
I find this idea to be even more interesting; it assumes that after some
period of service, (a year? two? ten?) ALL Senators will become moribund
conservatives incapable of enlightened decision, instead of more experienced
and discerning - and able to see situations in a way that new people with
less experience might not.

I can't help but see this as an example of the difference between the "old
civilization" and "new civilization" ideas on aging and maturity. In ancient
societies experience was in a way venerated. There's no coincidence that the
root of "Senate" comes from "Senex", or "old man". In new society age and
experience are sure signs of obsolescence... the old must be constantly
*replaced* by the new, not simply augmented by it. This is why people in the
modern world strive so much for youth... to not be young is to be worthless
and as good as dead.

Do we really believe that Senators who have been working with NR for years,
who've been through the resignations, and the list wars, and secret plots and
gods know what else, will automatically become less able to make good
decisions than the new person of the week coming in with new ideas?

The Senate is not a closed body. It will continue to grow, and bright, new,
enthusiastic Citizens are *supposed* to be added to it. It does not follow
that those who have paved the way for them must then be removed. The new
people with fresh ideas will join the Senate, if they can prove through
behavior and action that they will do well in such a position. In this way
the Senate will always have a new influx AND stability, instead of a constant
changeover.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

>>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Problems with NR website
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:49:12 +0100

Salvete omnes

Our web server seems to have some problems for the moment, which explains
that I am currently unable to effectively upload HTML pages. This has lead
to erroneous uploading last time I have updated the priesthoods page and the
macellum.
I'm taking care of the problem right now.

Valete

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Curator Araneae

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Subject:	[novaroma] New Story-People needed.
From:	Lykaion1@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:00:00 EDT

Salvete,

I am beginning to gather material for a new fictional Roman story, and
again, I would like to use real Nova Romans as characters.

Unlike 'The Scroll', this one is going to be serious, and darker, though
it will probably have some comic moments. It is set during the reign of Nero.

I would like the following people to be characters if they like the
idea.
Cassius and Patricia Cassia
Consul Audens
Piscinius
Draco

Rest assured that your roles will be dignified and in good taste.

Sulla....I can't make the same promise to you!

Are there any others who would like to be in an ancient Roman story? If so,
here is what I need. Please EMAIL me and tell me your age and a reasonably
accurate description of yourself. I need this to place people in appropriate
roles. {For instance, no 60 year old women as dancing girls! If you have a
scanned picture of yourself or can direct me to a web site with a picture of
you, that will help.

While I can't promise to be able to include everyone, I can promise that you
will not be depicted in any vulgar, tasteless roles. The story is serious,
but this is all for fun.

Gaius Lupinius Festus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] New Story-People needed.
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:13:12 -0400 (EDT)

Salve, Festus;

I should be proud to be in any role that you assign to any story that
you feel the desire to write. While I am 63 and an "old man" to some in
NR, and I assure you that I am no dancing girl-- it's all I can do to
walk!!! I am always interested in a Roman story, so it may be that
buried in the "old man" there may still be just a small kernel of
appreciation for new ideas!!!! Do your worst, my friend--you always
have my interest and attention (grin!!!!!!!).

Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

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Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN: Announcement of the Limes Cooperation
From:	Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@-------->
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 2000 20:03:41 +0200

Caius Flavius Diocletianus, Legatus Germaniae, Quiritibus S.P.D.

I´m happy to announce that the european provinces of Pannonia and
Germania established an alliance, called "Limes Cooperation".

The Limes Cooperation is intended as an institution of mutual help in
all administrative matters and aspects of provincial life. Also it is
intendend to develope better Acquaintance between the citizens of both
provinces.

The Senate as supervisor of the Provinces is informed about the
Cooperation.

May the Limes Cooperation improve the welfare of Nova Roma and our
Provinces.

Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Legatus Germaniae

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: New Story-People needed.
From:	Piscinus@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 2000 19:05:54 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, Lykaion1@c... wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I am beginning to gather material for a new fictional Roman
story, and again, I would like to use real Nova Romans as
characters. Unlike 'The Scroll', this one is going to be serious,
and darker, though it will probably have some comic moments. It is
set during the reign of Nero.
>
> I would like the following people to be characters if they
like the idea.
> Cassius and Patricia Cassia
> Consul Audens
> Piscinius
> Draco
>
> Rest assured that your roles will be dignified and in good taste.
>
I in a role that is dignified and with good taste????

> no 60 year old women as dancing girls!

Dancing girls I like, and I don't care if they are sixty.

I can promise that you will not be depicted in any vulgar, tasteless
roles. The story is serious, but this is all for fun.

Dignified and not vulgar, in good taste and not tasteless,
and no sixty year old dancing girls? Hhmm?
Doesn't quite sound like a story having anything to do
with MY character, so you can use this Piscinius fellow.

Vale Feste
Piscinus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] New Story-People needed.
From:	"StormWolf" <blakmice@-------->
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 2000 14:57:44 -0000

>Are there any others who would like to be in an ancient Roman story? If
so,
>here is what I need. Please EMAIL me and tell me your age and a reasonably
>accurate description of yourself. I need this to place people in
appropriate
>roles. {For instance, no 60 year old women as dancing girls! If you have
a
>scanned picture of yourself or can direct me to a web site with a picture
of
>you, that will help.
>Gaius Lupinius Festus

*raises hand* Ooo! Ooo! Me! Me! I want to be a Legionary! I'm 18... I'd be
perfect for it! I'll send ya a pic as soon as I dig one up.

Lucius Vatinius Lupus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Roman Lamps
From:	"Aeternia Draconia" <fionaerin@-------->
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:50:44 -0000

---Salve Cassius,

I didn't know there was a difference, I'm looking for both now.

Vale
Aeternia Draconia

In novaroma@--------, cassius622@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 6/29/00 3:45:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> fionaerin@-------- writes:
>
> << I was wondering if anyone could tell where would be the best
place to
> look for purchasing a Roman Lamp? I've been meaning to get one and
> hadn't had a clue to look for one. Thanks.
> >>
>
> Salve,
>
> Are you looking for a reproduction oil lamp, or an original ancient
piece?
>
> Vale,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: New Story-People needed.
From:	"Aeternia Draconia" <fionaerin@-------->
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 2000 21:53:50 -0000

---Salve Piscinus,

You and sixty year old dancing girls? LOL I think I'm not gonna ask,
or do I?

Vale
Aeternia Draconia

In novaroma@--------, Piscinus@a... wrote:
> --- In novaroma@--------, Lykaion1@c... wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > I am beginning to gather material for a new fictional Roman
> story, and again, I would like to use real Nova Romans as
> characters. Unlike 'The Scroll', this one is going to be serious,
> and darker, though it will probably have some comic moments. It is
> set during the reign of Nero.
> >
> > I would like the following people to be characters if they
> like the idea.
> > Cassius and Patricia Cassia
> > Consul Audens
> > Piscinius
> > Draco
> >
> > Rest assured that your roles will be dignified and in good taste.
> >
> I in a role that is dignified and with good taste????
>
> > no 60 year old women as dancing girls!
>
> Dancing girls I like, and I don't care if they are sixty.
>
> I can promise that you will not be depicted in any vulgar,
tasteless
> roles. The story is serious, but this is all for fun.
>
> Dignified and not vulgar, in good taste and not tasteless,
> and no sixty year old dancing girls? Hhmm?
> Doesn't quite sound like a story having anything to do
> with MY character, so you can use this Piscinius fellow.
>
> Vale Feste
> Piscinus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Roman Lamps
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Fri, 30 Jun 2000 18:23:40 EDT

In a message dated 6/30/00 2:54:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
fionaerin@-------- writes:

<<
I didn't know there was a difference, I'm looking for both now.

>>

Salve,

There are a couple of companies that do reproduction lamps... these are
modern replicas which can be used for lighting at those posh Roman banquets
you're probably planning to throw! ;) I'll see if I can find some info for
you. Reproduction lamps generally sell for about $10.00

I deal in ancient artifacts and do have some authentic ancient ancient Roman
lamps. These technically could still be used, but since Roman lamps aren't
glazed the oil seeps through them and you wouldn't be doing them any favors.
Better to have the modern ones for use and an ancient one for display. I have
ancient lamps for $45.00 each, which come with a Certificate of Authenticity.
I'll be happy to answer any questions you have by off-list Email.

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

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