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Subject:	[novaroma] Nova Romans in NY
From:	"Kryn Miner" <kminer_rsg@-------->
Date:	Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:04:18 EDT

Salve good people of the republic...

I once again go to the masses in search of other citizens in my area. I can
only hope that there is more then one of us in NY.

If you are out there drop me a line...

Vale

Aurelius Tiberius Ronanus
Praefectus Legionis, Legio VI

"we are soldiers of Rome, for her might and glory we stand ready... She is
the Light"

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Roman Lamps
From:	"Razenna " <razenna@-------->
Date:	Tue, 04 Jul 2000 04:56:04 -0000

Salvete.

I got a Roman style lamp a number of years ago that is slightly
glazed
on the Inside. It is of Gaulish manufacture -- from the box:

Lumiere d'Ocres
Fabrique in Provence - France

For those that have an actual anceint lamp. Please give close
inspection to the inside. I am curious about this. Is there,
perhaps, a trace of glaze inside. (a penlight might help) It is
possible that the glaze might have peeled off over a thousand years
plus several centuries. A little bit of glaze seems quite sensible
fot the technology we are talking about here. The ancients also
would
not have like a mess on the table from the olive oil seeping through.
It would also be wasteful. Olive oil was also a foodstuff and the
poorer would have been very aware of the loss. They would already
have gone through the choice of food or light when it was getting
dark. I can not think of any of them just shrugging off that olive
oil making a mess on the table. (Or whatever.) I am very interested
in other thoughts on this subject. The pictures of the lamps on the
"Anceint Oil Lamps Reproductions" site look as though they are
unglazed inside. If I do get one of those I will do something modern
to seal them. A leaky lamp is not much use in a home (IMnsHO).

Bene valete.
C. Aelius Ericius.

--- In novaroma@--------, "Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@d...> wrote:
> Populari salutem:
>
> Sic Cassius:
>
> > I hate to say it, but the reproduction lamps are made fairly
faithfully to
> > the originals. They're not glazed either! Oil will seep through
them and
> make
> > a mess. In the ancient world people would use such lamps until
they got
> too
> > disgusting to keep around the house... then they'd toss them and
spend the
> > copper or two to get a new one. When archaeologists excavate
ancient trash
> > heaps it's not uncommon to find thousands of spent lamps! This is
why
> they're
> > available to collectors. They're all identical and the museums,
> universities,
> > etc. have and can get access to all they want.
> >
> > In the ancient world, the solution for these lamps was to put
them
in a
> > shallow dish, much like a saucer. That way when they eventually
puddle oil
> > you don't ruin everything in your house. (Note, it takes some
time
for
> lamps
> > to get really messy... they're more efficient than all this is
sounding!)
>
> Aletheia and I use reproduction cast bronze lamps modelled on an
original
> found in Pompeii. One was slightly flawed and leaked until I coated
the
> inside in Rad-Weld and baked it in a hot oven to approximate car
engine
> heat. Now they are as un-messy as can be. If anybody's interested,
I'll find
> out the name of the supplier from the place we bought them from.
>
> Bene valete,
>
> Vado.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Censor Edictum - Scribes Appointment
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:40:59 -0700

Salvete Omnes

I wanted to formalize the appointment of two new scribes. These scribes
shall take the place of Helena Cornelia who was my scribe up til her
resignation of citizenship. The new scribes that I have the pleasure of
appointing are:

Gn. Moravius Piscinus

Lucilla Aurelia Decima

Both of my new scribes have the software requirement and will help me in
the attempt to clean up some citizen applications that have needed
attention for a while.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

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Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem IV Nonas Iulias (July 4th)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:04:46 +0100

Salvete omnes

This is one of the dies nefasti (N), a day on which no legal action or
public voting can take place.

For the faithful of the cult of the Divi Imperatores:
After 13 BC, this was made a dies nefastus publicus (NP), a day for special
religious
observance on which no legal action or public business could take place.
Today is the aniversary of the 'constitutio' of the Ara Pacis Augustae
(Altar of the Peace of Augustus), constituted in 13 BCE. The sacrifice os a
cow was performed "in Campo ad Aram Pacis Augustae" in a ceremony where the
Fratres Arvales participated.

The month of Quinctilis was renamed Iulius in 44 BCE in honour of the
deified C. Iulius
Caesar. This month is sacred to Iuppiter.

Pax Deorum vobiscum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex

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Subject:	[novaroma] Website is OK AGAIN
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:21:49 +0100

Salvete omnes

The Website is ok again. The updated Bookstore is now available in the
Macellum with new Early Rome titles.

Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Curator Araneae

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Roman Lamps
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Tue, 4 Jul 2000 09:53:47 EDT

Salve,

As a dealer in ancient artifacts, I can say with a fair amount of knowledge
that common terra cotta lamps were almost exclusively unglazed in the ancient
world. No faint traces of glazing on the inside to preserve valuable oil for
poor families. Lamps were also made of non-sweating materials such as bronze
of course, and some of the later lamps (Byzantine, 6th-7th centuries) are
glazed.

Why no glaze? I have no idea. It wasn't like the Romans, Jews, etc. didn't
understand about glazing. But still the practice for centuries was to put
the lamp in a small dish so that it wouldn't make a mess.

I *will* say that the unglazed lamps aren't all that bad. They don't *leak*,
they just sweat a little and get a bit unpleasant to the touch. They just get
grungy and sooty, and dust and crap sticks to them. They don't pool oil
unless they're left filled and unburned for three days or so... something
that was probably fairly uncommon in the ancient world. People used these
things all the time; probably only filled them with oil during the evening
and left them dry durning the day. You might get six or seven months use out
of such a lamp, with almost no waste.

Some other thoughts - the oil burned in such lamps might well have been oil
not fit for human consumption. I haven't done a lot of experimentation
myself, but perhaps there was a real difference of grade between "edible" and
simply "flammable". Also, a pretty wide variety of oils was burned in these
things. It wasn't always olive oil! Anything burnable would do. Seaside
communities even burned fish oil. (You'd think the smell of some of this
stuff would be unbearable, but of course it's easy to forget the millions of
homes that used whale oil lamps back in the 1800's!)

Finally, unglazed lamps were the cheapest pottery available in the ancient
world. They were available for a copper or two, and were intended to be
throw-aways. I'm no expert on the ancient methods of glazing pottery, but my
guess would be you'd at least have to keep a lamp around until it was dry
enough to handle before applying glaze. Glazing might have required two or
more coats. Pieces might require two firings. Certainly it would make a lamp
more expensive... and the lifetime of such a lamp might not be any longer
than an unglazed one as it would also face the same cumulative soot and heat
damage.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

In a message dated 7/3/00 9:58:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
razenna@-------- writes:

<< For those that have an actual anceint lamp. Please give close
inspection to the inside. I am curious about this. Is there,
perhaps, a trace of glaze inside. (a penlight might help) It is
possible that the glaze might have peeled off over a thousand years
plus several centuries. A little bit of glaze seems quite sensible
fot the technology we are talking about here. The ancients also
would
not have like a mess on the table from the olive oil seeping through.
It would also be wasteful. Olive oil was also a foodstuff and the
poorer would have been very aware of the loss. They would already
have gone through the choice of food or light when it was getting
dark. I can not think of any of them just shrugging off that olive
oil making a mess on the table. (Or whatever.) I am very interested
in other thoughts on this subject. The pictures of the lamps on the
"Anceint Oil Lamps Reproductions" site look as though they are
unglazed inside. If I do get one of those I will do something modern
to seal them. A leaky lamp is not much use in a home (IMnsHO).
>>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Holiday Greeting
From:	Lykaion1@--------
Date:	Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:35:10 EDT

I want to wish all American Nova Romans a Happy Fourth of July! I love
having a country where the freedom to assemble, speak, practice our
respective religions, keep and bear arms, and belong to micronations like
Nova Roma, are protected.

My wife Maria Lupinia Iosephina is from the Philippines and she tells me
that today is also a holiday in her native country, Filipino-American
Friendship Day.

Gaius Lupinius Festus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Deus ex machina ! :-))
From:	"Bart Van Wassenhove" <phoenix83@-------->
Date:	Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:47:31 +0200

Quintus Apollonius Flaccus Novaromani S.P.D.,

I'm a list member for over two weeks now but I forgot to introduce myself.
Instead of giving a long introduction of myself in this digest, I refer
those who would like to know something about me to my pagina domestica at
our gens' website. http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/quintus/qaf.html

Are there other cives/gentes having a website ? Please let me know, it's a
good way of getting to know each other.

Gaius Lupinius Festus : your story looks great, I'm looking forward to your
next chapter. If you want to use me as a character, you can find the
information you need on my webpage. If you need a picture or anything else,
please contact me privately.

Salvete !

Quintus Apollonius Flaccus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Holiday Greeting
From:	"Aeternia Draconia" <fionaerin@-------->
Date:	Tue, 04 Jul 2000 19:58:47 -0000

---Salve Festus,

Happy Fourth of July!! Although I celebrate Canada Day which was on
the first. I'm hoping my fellow Canadian civies had a Happy Canada
Day as well.

Vale
Aeternia

In novaroma@--------, Lykaion1@c... wrote:
> I want to wish all American Nova Romans a Happy Fourth of July!
I love
> having a country where the freedom to assemble, speak, practice our
> respective religions, keep and bear arms, and belong to
micronations like
> Nova Roma, are protected.
>
> My wife Maria Lupinia Iosephina is from the Philippines and she
tells me
> that today is also a holiday in her native country, Filipino-
American
> Friendship Day.
>
> Gaius Lupinius Festus

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