| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Market Days |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:00:47 -0000 |
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I would simply like to thank Piscinus for his dedication in making
the
Taverna more of a multinational operation.
Early in Nova Roma's operation, the Market Day chats were a way to
gather a few disparate Citizens for a real-time conversation. Today,
however, it seems we have cives who wish to chat at almost any hour
of
the day!
Patricia Cassia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Membership Application Reminder |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:15:57 +0200 |
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Salve Cives Novoromani!
This is a reminder that the Sodalitas Latinitatis is still
inviting new members to join through July 20th, i.e. by
11:59 p.m. Rome Time on that date. This is a day earlier
that previously announced for technical reasons.
On the following day voting will begin to democratically
ratify the Lex Fundamentalis (the Sodalitas constitution)
and to elect the 3 to 7 tresviri who will lead the Sodalitas
for the coming several months. (The current Founding
Tresviri will stand down upon certification and announcement
of the election results and the new Tresviri take office.)
Voting codes will be issued to all members to enable them to
take part.
NOTA BENE! If you wish to run for triumvir, it is necessary
to be registered as a member and announce your candidature
by July 19, 11:59 Rome Time. This is to be done by making an
announcement in Latin to the list Latinitas@-------- that
you wish to run. Only Nova Roman citizens may run for these
posts.
TO BECOME A MEMBER:
First, join the Latin list you can find at
http://www.egroups/group/Latinitas.
Second, declare your desire to become a member by a posting
there of your application in any language the Founding
Tresviri can understand. In Latin an acceptable formula
might be "Velim sodalis Sodalitatis Latinitatis fieri" with
your full Nova Roman name. (If you not a Nova Roman citizen,
you may still join with all rights except that of becoming
triumvir, but you must inform the Sodalitatis of your
non-citizen status at time of joining for your application
to be valid.)
We would like to publicly thank the large numbers of cives
who have already joined.
Valete!
Marcus Apollonius Formosanus
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae
Triumvir Condens Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Scriba Censorius
Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] California Provincia meeting |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:36:09 -0700 |
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Ave!
I just wanted to let everyone know that we, my Legates and myself, are working on a Southern California Meeting. This meeting will take place on August 12 at a restaurant in Pasadena/San Gabriel called Bella Italia. This is the same restaurant we were at during the last meeting. I hope that we will have a better out than last time. At that time we had 8, I am shooting for 10 this time. :)
Also as a plug, if you reside in California or Nevada, please sign up for the CaliforniaNovaRoma list. That list will have the latest information for all gatherings and events. Also, it will have information regarding provinical edictas'.
Vale,
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Proconsul
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] the disease of leadership |
| From: |
Ira Adams <iadams@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:32:23 -0500 |
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Well, Caius Marius Merullus, Censor Suffectus and Senator, I don't
suppose you have any personal investment in the cult of leadership, do
you? ;-)
The points with which you voice agreement were the main thrust of my
post. I thank you for your concurrence on them. Since the problem they
seek to address is but a minor symptom of the disease of leadership as it
keeps re-expressing itself in Nova Roma, I felt impelled to allude to the
underlying problem. That was probably an error. It is one I made several
months ago in private correspondence with a consular friend. I still owe
him a more complete explanation of my thoughts on the subject, because it
is a serious matter and deserves more thorough and careful discussion
than I have yet had time to compose. So for raising an issue which I'm
not presently prepared to expand upon, I apologize.
Let me at least make clear that I am not attacking anyone who feels pride
and sees value in styling themselves as a leader. People don't choose to
have a disease, and shouldn't be persecuted for it. Anyway, I too am
infected with it and have had to work carefully to avoid letting it fully
express itself in me. And even at that, I find myself in a "leadership"
position in my professional life. "Tomorrow the world" - let's hope not!
Hello, my name is Australicus and I'm a leader.
But having observed the effects of "leaders" benign and malignant,
throughout history, from Sennacherib and Horemheb to Sadaam Hussein, it
is hard for me to imagine how anyone can see it as anything but a disease
that has decorated countless skylines with gibbets and crucifixes, sown
endless fields with blood and flesh, and fostered enough cruelty,
oppression, suffering, and exploitation to constitute a million Hells.
But enough...
As for "doing more and analyzing less," I am reminded of a book title I
once saw - "If You Don't Know Where You're Going, You'll Probably End Up
Somewhere Else." I do, indeed, think it a good idea to give some
attention to where we're going - especially when we have ten thousand
years of the journey behind us from which to take guidance. And then, by
all means, let's get on with it.
People _don't_ intrinsically need leaders. They need to learn to be
responsible for themselves and for working together. It is a pervasive
delusion that leaders are necessary for healthy people.
We now return you to your regular, socially prescribed view of the
world...
L. Sergius Aust.
On 7/14/00 1:47 PM C Marius Merullus (c_marius_m@--------) wrote:
>Salvete Luci Sergi et alii
>
>You make some good points (particularly about working together as partners
>rather than trying to dominate each other with non-existent powers), but I
>have come to the conclusion that we are better off doing more and analyzing
>less. I take it that you as a psychologist will disagree, which is fine
>with me.
>
>Ah, but I can't let the "disease of leadership" go :). I really have to
>salute you for introducing such a wonderful coinage -- did you make it up?
>Leadership is essential in all endeavors that require or involve more than
>one person. The challenge is not whether to do without leaders, this is as
>much a waste of time as trying to do away with the wheel. The challenge is
>to be open and flexible to new ideas and encourage initiative. Call it some
>Greek word like "democracy" if you want, but you have to have it or you're
>dead in the water.
>
>Valete
>
>C Marius Merullus
>Censor Suffectus
>Senator
>triumvir condens Sodalitatis Latinitatis
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] A Reply to Sulla's Criticism |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:01:00 +0200 |
|
Salvete Quirites!
Recently I wrote a message to this forum on the occasion
of my son Quintus Apollonius Formosanus' being so treated in
the Sodalitas Musarum by Aeternia Draconia that he left Nova
Roma.
L. Cornelius Sulla Felix was displeased with my revealing
this situation to the public gaze and wrote:
Ave,
As someone who is helping Tink with her efforts in
establishing this
Sodalias I just wanted to comment on this. First off, Tink
has my
complete support and confidence in her abilities to
coordinate the various angles necessary to create this
Sodalias. Second, I think it is in very poor taste of
Marcus Apollonius Formosanus to post this on another list.
To me its like posting a private email on the main list. If
our citizens were intersted in the Sodalias Musarium they
would subscribe to that list. Personality conflicts should
not be posted on the main list.
RESPONDEO: I do not feel it to be at all like posting a
private e-mail message. The archives of ForTheMuses are a
matter of public record, not in any way confidential or
private. Transferring the exact text of a message which was
so provocative that it drove my normally gentle and tolerant
son Quintus to use strong words and leave Nova Roma is
necessary in the interests of fairness. Fair in its
exactness to both parties concerned. Every civis can decide
for him- or herself whether someone might reasonably feel
offended by the words which Aeternia addressed to my son in
public.
People here in the Main List have seen Aeternia in much
more harmless and loveable moods, and if they just hear
indirectly that "Quintus insulted poor little Tink and left"
that would be utterly unfair to him. Providing accurate
information is in the interests of fairness, and as
Paterfamilias I feel an obligation to set things straight.
Also, I find it in poor taste that only snippets of her
response has been posted by Formosanus. I will not post her
entire response, but I recommend any citizen that if they
are interested, please check the archieves on that list to
see the ENTIRE post in question. I apologize to have to
clutter our main list with this rebuttal, but I felt it is
necessary given the very criticial post by Formosanus.
_______________
I am not sure at what point Sulla would consider me to
have posted enough. I think that had I posted more, he would
just have criticised me the more for "tasteless
crossposting" and "cluttering the list". I chose what was
relevant to make my point. Sulla and Aeternia can quote what
they want.
And I, with Sulla, *encourage* anyone to go and look in
the archives ForTheMuses to see the ENTIRE record of how the
organising of the Sodalitas Musarum has been carried out to
date. There you will see many things less beautiful than the
poems.
I am told that Aeternia has taken better counsel now. I
hope that is true. It is no sin to be inexperienced and not
to be born with a head for administration or human
relations. If one can learn and repair past mistakes other
people should try to be understanding and forgiving.
If...
Valete!
------------------------------------------------------------
Marcus Apollonius Formosanus
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae
Triumvir Condens Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Scriba Censorius
Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: A Reply to Sulla's Criticism |
| From: |
"Little Dragon" <fionaerin@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 15 Jul 2000 05:21:41 -0000 |
|
--- Why do I get the feeling, you recieved some pretty harsh e-mails?
Vale
Aeternia
In novaroma@--------, "M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> Recently I wrote a message to this forum on the occasion
> of my son Quintus Apollonius Formosanus' being so treated in
> the Sodalitas Musarum by Aeternia Draconia that he left Nova
> Roma.
> L. Cornelius Sulla Felix was displeased with my revealing
> this situation to the public gaze and wrote:
>
> Ave,
>
> As someone who is helping Tink with her efforts in
> establishing this
> Sodalias I just wanted to comment on this. First off, Tink
> has my
> complete support and confidence in her abilities to
> coordinate the various angles necessary to create this
> Sodalias. Second, I think it is in very poor taste of
> Marcus Apollonius Formosanus to post this on another list.
> To me its like posting a private email on the main list. If
> our citizens were intersted in the Sodalias Musarium they
> would subscribe to that list. Personality conflicts should
> not be posted on the main list.
>
> RESPONDEO: I do not feel it to be at all like posting a
> private e-mail message. The archives of ForTheMuses are a
> matter of public record, not in any way confidential or
> private. Transferring the exact text of a message which was
> so provocative that it drove my normally gentle and tolerant
> son Quintus to use strong words and leave Nova Roma is
> necessary in the interests of fairness. Fair in its
> exactness to both parties concerned. Every civis can decide
> for him- or herself whether someone might reasonably feel
> offended by the words which Aeternia addressed to my son in
> public.
>
> People here in the Main List have seen Aeternia in much
> more harmless and loveable moods, and if they just hear
> indirectly that "Quintus insulted poor little Tink and left"
> that would be utterly unfair to him. Providing accurate
> information is in the interests of fairness, and as
> Paterfamilias I feel an obligation to set things straight.
>
> Also, I find it in poor taste that only snippets of her
> response has been posted by Formosanus. I will not post her
> entire response, but I recommend any citizen that if they
> are interested, please check the archieves on that list to
> see the ENTIRE post in question. I apologize to have to
> clutter our main list with this rebuttal, but I felt it is
> necessary given the very criticial post by Formosanus.
> _______________
>
> I am not sure at what point Sulla would consider me to
> have posted enough. I think that had I posted more, he would
> just have criticised me the more for "tasteless
> crossposting" and "cluttering the list". I chose what was
> relevant to make my point. Sulla and Aeternia can quote what
> they want.
>
> And I, with Sulla, *encourage* anyone to go and look in
> the archives ForTheMuses to see the ENTIRE record of how the
> organising of the Sodalitas Musarum has been carried out to
> date. There you will see many things less beautiful than the
> poems.
>
> I am told that Aeternia has taken better counsel now. I
> hope that is true. It is no sin to be inexperienced and not
> to be born with a head for administration or human
> relations. If one can learn and repair past mistakes other
> people should try to be understanding and forgiving.
> If...
>
> Valete!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Marcus Apollonius Formosanus
> Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae
> Triumvir Condens Sodalitatis Latinitatis
> Scriba Censorius
> Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
> ICQ# 61698049 Gens Apollonia:
> http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/
> The Gens Apollonia is open to new members.
> AVE RESPVBLICA NOSTRA LIBERA - NOVA ROMA!
> ________________________________________________________
>
> Si vis omnia tibi subicere, te subice Rationi. (Seneca)
> [Se vi deziras subigi chion al vi, subigu vin al Racio.]
> ________________________________________________________
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Market Days |
| From: |
RexMarcius@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 15 Jul 2000 01:43:05 EDT |
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Salve Aureli Tiberi!
>I suggest that we establish an Offical NR time that is used (perhaps GMT or
>someother established standard)
Splendid Idea........but it has already been implemented!
See the following Lex Cornelia Centuriata in the Tabularium
"For all purposes, the time in Rome shall be regarded as the official time of
Nova Roma. Official purposes that require the use of this standard time
include, but are not limited to, the time at which voting in one of the
comitia begins and ends, the time at which a newly appointed magistrate
officially acquires his/her office, and the time at which a magisterial edict
takes effect. Magistrates are advised to use official Nova Roman time in all
official announcements."
Ave et Vale
Marcus Marcius Rex
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Pics from Roman Days |
| From: |
Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:43:42 -0700 |
|
Salvete Omnes
I wanted to let everyone know that I got pics from Roman Days and will
soon begin scanning them for the NR website. I would like to thank
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo for taking the pictures and I would like to
thank Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus for helping Pompeia figure out her
camera! ;)
I hope that some of this pics will be placed on the NR website. Some of
the pics have some narrative, and I will include that in the file
transfer.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Leadership and Roman Democracy |
| From: |
"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:07:58 +0200 |
|
M. Apollonius Formosanus L. Sergio Australiaco S.P.D.
I greatly admired and appreciated your post below (and
have read Merullus and your follow-up). Not only because it
takes my side in the immediate argument [although that
always helps ;-) ], but more because I completely agree with
what you say about power and Nova Roman society. Power here
is is always limited by the fact that people can walk away
if it becomes too overbearing, as Quintus and I recently
did. It follows that everyone, whether powerful or not, who
wants to see Nova Roma prosper should realise that he or she
has an interest in encouraging consensus building and
collaboration. People here cannot really be oppressed, but
the remedy of walking away in disgust is not a good remedy
for them, because they lose the real goods NR has to offer,
or for NR, because we need participants. What we require
for a healthy state of affairs is a situation in which
people can exert a corrective and resistive pressure against
presumptuous self-arrogations of authority. Methods simple
and fast and effective so that walking away is less
relatively attractive. The most obvious one that comes to
mind is a populace that will scream and shout menacingly
whenever it perceives a presumptuous use of power against
any of its number. When my son was ordered about in the
Muses, such a chorus did not arise, and that disheartened
him.
In the Muses list there has grown up a concentration of
people who profess not to respect democracy. "Republicanism"
has become for some of them a code word for something that
does not seem to me wholesome, although I would be willing
to listen with an open mind if they explained it to me
seriously with a view to showing that it was both different
from democracy and at least possibly better.
For me democracy means that no one tells others what to
do except if a truly agreed upon procedure gives them that
privilege, and the surrounding system and political culture
enable effective feedback without the fuss and bother of a
revolution by force of arms. :-)
This idea of consensual shared power is what in Roman
terms a Respublica Libera is all about. No king, and a
sharing of power between different aristocratic families and
the people. A government in which collaboration should be
predominant. Concordia. Rome never lived up to its best
ideals any more than Athens, the Soviet Union or the United
States. But those of Rome and those of the United States,
two republics (albeit one federal, a very good invention -
although the Romans had set up something similar in
Macedonia, and the Greek leagues knew and used the concept),
are remarkably similar. Of the two, the Roman Republic with
collegial magistracies to limit one another, short terms of
office to also reduce the possibility of building up
personal power, direct democracy in legislation, and the
Tribunes of the People to systematically thwart
presumptuousness and injustice, was probably more
democratic. (The United States too began with no votes for
women and with slavery. And with an Electoral College that
skewed popular votes for the Presidency, and limitations on
suffrage of supposedly full and free male citizens in some
places based on wealth or race.)
I do not think that there is anything in the Roman
Republic that should hearten the illiberal. It was as open
and consensual a society as there was at the time except
among the Greeks, but most Hellenic Greeks already lived
under depressingly absolute monarchs from the time of the
Macedonian supremacy.
When I say I am a democrat, I mean to say that I do not
want to see people pushed around by others, but that society
should be organised to give maximum freedom to everyone and
make its collective decisions by consensus when possible and
by majority when not. This is a basic matter of Libertas,
Iustitia and Concordia, and the fact that the Greeks came up
with a snappier name for it in the abstract does not mean it
is un-Roman. (And indeed "democratia" has become a perfectly
normal Latin word.)
I do rather disagree with the idea that leadership is
completely and essentially morbid, however. A good leader
can facilitate, inspire and occasionally even use real power
decisively with a desirable result. The dictum of Laucius
that with the best leader the people say "Why, we did it all
ourselves!" points to how a leader can facilitate
collaboration without being dominant. I agree with Merullus
that society will work better with good leaders; at the very
least they can be the catalyst for the People to work
together. Of course the good old Führerprinzip can get out
of hand and indeed be virulently morbid. Very. But then real
mobocracy is not very pretty either.
I admire Roman government precisely because of its
democratic and collaborative elements. No one president or
prime minister to order others about, but shared power and
discussion all down the line; no party government in the
modern sense, but election of individuals on their own
merits, and a well developed and rational legal system to
boot. Not to mention direct citizen participation in the
popular assemblies and contiones (assemblies for discussion
rather than voting), quite like -excuse me! - Athens, for
example.
And we are not really misgoverned in Nova Roma either.
Since I signed up for the list in December, more than half a
year, only two official acts of magistrates seriously
menaced the liberties of the citizenry. And both of them
were dealt with by other magistrates and the Senate, with no
need (in the end) of the People to act. Except, of course,
by crying loudly in this Forum, which is in itself an
important contribution. This seems to me a good record. We
are not oppressed. In the mini-crisis relating to the Muses
the problem was not with an elected official - indeed that
was the problem! It is true that Sulla was not helpful in
failing to correctly identify my son as the victim rather
than the attacker, but he did this as a simple civis, not as
Censor or Propraetor.
Despite our generally quite decent government, we do
suffer from rather too much of a tendency to tiptoe and fear
to take initiatives unless sanctioned by the Senate, when
that should not be necessary. I hope that as Sodalitates and
Provinciae become better developed things will loosen up in
a wholesome way. With the help of Merullus, I think we have
made the democracy, openness and transparency of our Latin
sodality exemplary, and I hope that other associations and
institutions will follow our example.
I thank you for your thought-provoking post. These
theoretical matters really need to be aired in a thoughtful
manner for the good of our Respublica.
Vale!
________________________________________
Australiacus wrote:
Salve Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Let's try this on for size:
You may continue to post your opinions to this forum, but in
doing so you will refrain from characterizing the actions of
your fellow citizens.
How does that sound to you? If you and I have any biology
and psychology in common, your jaw muscles are even now
tightening, your shoulders are squaring, your brows are
furrowing, and anger is rising in your gut as you reach for
your pugio... er, keyboard.
Relax! It was only an illustrative example.
If one chooses to address another in terms implying imperium
such as
those, one needs to also have the power that *real* imperium
represents,
and even if one has such raw power to wield, one needs to
have a
legitimate reason for wielding it. Otherwise such a form of
address
merely elicits anger and resentment, as we have seen several
times since
the founding of Nova Roma.
In working at resurrecting the Roman Republic, we need to
bear in mind
that there is no real imperium here -- none of us commands
legions under arms, or even one lousy praetorian cohort.
Imperium in Roma Antiqua had its roots in raw power --
"force majeur." Any imperium that is held in Nova Roma
depends upon a mutually agreed sharing of goals and of love
of things Roman. A whole lot of nasty conflict here could be
avoided if we avoid trying to *command* and "coerce* one
another and instead learn to work as partners with one
another. (And in doing so, we just might help save our
species from the disease of leadership, which is more of a
threat to our continued existence than is HIV.)
It sounds as if this spat between Aeternia Draconia and
Apollonius
Flaccus arises out of just such an effort to assert or imply
authority
over fellow citizens. Such efforts will inevitably tear Nova
Roma apart,
as they have done in the past. If you encourage them, then
you will bear
a part of the responsibility for the damage to the State. It
would be
admirable and honorable to encourage citizens to work
cooperatively with one another.
For my part, I think it quite appropriate for Apollonius
Formosanus to
have expressed his concern here in the forum. Nova Roma must
get past
this ridiculous fantasy that being Roman means ordering
other people
around and controlling them, else Nova Roma is going nowhere
but into the dumper. If there is more to the story than what
was posted, then let it
come out.
In that regard, I applaud the action of Aeternia Draconia in
opening the
archives of that list to others who may want to know more
about what has happened.
Vale,
L. Sergius Australicus
--
Marcus Apollonius Formosanus
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae
Triumvir Condens Sodalitatis Latinitatis
Scriba Censorius
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Leadership |
| From: |
"Jeroen Meuleman" <hendrik.meuleman@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:19:21 +0200 |
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Sextus Apollonius Draco Aeterniae Draconiae Lucio Sergio Australicoque
S.P.D.
Draconia, I wasn't instructed not to read anything you wrote. It would be
quite contradictory for a paterfamilias who stands for liberty within NR to
forbid his gentiles to read other people's opinions, don't you think :-).
And no, I think the message came across fine. It takes a while for me to
get venomous. By the way, I did get the digest from ForTheMuses yesterday
late in the evening. It may have been a problem at eGroups.
About Quintus unsubscribing and then subscribing again... I think he was
simply scattered and wanted to read replies to his posting, or he just
subscribed again to post his last message. Errare humanum est.
I don't despise you for thinking my brother and my paterfamilias have bad
manners. I simply disagree :-). It's everyone's right to have their
personal feelings towards other people, as long as they don't get mixed in
discussions. Letting emotions interfere in discussions never ends up well,
as I have experienced myself several times.
Australicus, a wonderful post about leadership! I think it was about time
that someone relativated the "importance" of some of these power games in
an intelligent, constructive manner.
Valete omnes,
Sextus Apollonius Draco
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Dots & Circles (Was Re:Roman lamps) |
| From: |
"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:13:53 +0100 |
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Lapellae salutem
Scripsisti:
> I too tried a reproduction clay lamp and found it to be a very
> bright source of light. I filled it with commercial lamp oil which
> quickly saturated the clay and the whole lamp became one blazing
> mess.
In addition to our little bronze lamps, Aletheia and I have an unglazed
terracotta job which doesn't leak oil at all (even tho' we use commercial
lamp oil in it, rather than olive oil). I reckon the porosity of the lamp
must depend on the quality of the clay and/or the firing temperature. Then
again, there may be tiny flaws in your lamp, as there was in one of our
little bronzes. Just as I used Rad-Weld on the bronze to seal its interior,
so an internal cold ceramic glaze may fix your clay lamp.
All this said about lamps, mind you, there's nothing un-Roman about burning
candles, especially in the Northern latitudes: in Britannia, for example,
archaeological evidence for use of candles throughout the period of
occupation is far greater than that for lamps, tho' lamps obviously
predominate in the Mediterranean region. Something to do with the relative
expense of olive oil compared with mutton tallow, I suspect. Not that I
recommend mutton-fat candles: they stink, and one's cats tend to eat them.
Still, that leaves beeswax for the purist, and for the unrepentant neophile
modernist user of commercial lamp oil, the paraffin-wax (Stearin) candle.
Post haec quaeristi:
> Does anyone know the significance of the encircled dot
> motif? I've seen this motif on jewelry, tools, pots and other items
> and each dealer has a different explanation. Is it protection
> against the evil eye, peacock eye spots, a code for different deities
> depending on the number of spots, or a Christian grape motif?
Respondeo:
I'd apply Ockham's Razor to this one: "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter
necessitatem" ('Don't postulate more causes than are necessary'); alia
verba, the simplest explanation is often the best.
The ring-and-dot motif is, at least in my experience, by far the commonest
decorative idiom one sees in Western European metal, wood, bone and leather
artefacts of all kinds, from the Roman period to the late Medieval. Reason?
The most common, because most useful and versatile die-punches are those
producing dots and circles (big hole and little hole punches, to
leather-workers).
Three feet from where I sit, for example, is a picture on the mantelpiece of
a Romano-British 1st-2ndC. CE bronze horse excavated from Calleva Atrebatum,
on which the craftsman has used one dot- and two concentric ring-dies to
suggest the horse's eyes, and the edge of the smaller ring-die to make a
series of crescents from ears to tail, cunningly suggesting the animal's
mane and shaggy coat. Good old Celtic minimalist art.
But my favourite theory is that these clustered motifs on everything
actually represent the Spawn of the Great Frog and Her cosmic immanence...
Bene vale,
Vado.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Cognomen |
| From: |
marcusaemiliusscaurus@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:09:15 -0000 |
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Got a question for all latin-speakers here. I'm a citizen called
Marcus Scribonius Curio. I only took this name because it was the
name of an eminent late Republican Roman politician. However, I
don't know what Curio actually means. Can anyone help me out here?
What have I called myself?
Salvete,
Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Reactions |
| From: |
"Bart Van Wassenhove" <phoenix83@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 15 Jul 2000 22:37:07 +0200 |
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Dear Novaromans,
Considering my pater's solid arguments and the support I had from M.
Germanicus, T. Labienus, G. Piscinus, P. Cassia and others I have decided to
revoke my resignation. This isn't just cheap drama, I didn't even know one
could revoke one's resignation, so I was completely serious about my
decision a few days ago.
My pater argued however that I only had a discord with two persons, not with
NR as a whole, and that there are still other sodalitates (of which I didn't
even know they existed) I perhaps wanted to join and other people I wanted
to meet. My decision to leave was perhaps a bit rash, as some commented; I
realise this now and wish to restart with a "tabula rasa" at Nova Roma.
Valete !
Bart Van Wassenhove, iterum Quintus Apollonius Flaccus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Reactions |
| From: |
Piscinus@-------- |
| Date: |
Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:08:52 -0000 |
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Piscinus Flacco suo S.P.D.
Scripsisti:
>My pater argued however that I only had a discord with two persons,
not with NR as a whole, and that there are still other sodalitates
(of which I didn't even know they existed) I perhaps wanted to join
and other people I wanted to meet. My decision to leave was perhaps a
bit rash, as some commented; I realise this now and wish to restart
with a "tabula rasa" at Nova Roma.
>
I am very pleased and appreciate your decision, and I share in your
pater's happiness that you will be remaining with Nova Roma.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Cognomen |
| From: |
Fortunatus <labienus@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:55:11 -0500 |
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T Labienus M Scribonio S P D
> However, I don't know what Curio actually means. Can anyone help me
> out here?
> What have I called myself?
I believe it means 'emaciated' or 'wasted by sorrow' as an adjective. I
also seem to recall that, as a noun, a curio is a kind of priest.
Vale
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] On the Resignation of My Son & Democracy |
| From: |
"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@--------> |
| Date: |
Sat, 15 Jul 2000 21:25:18 +0100 |
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Quiritibus Salutem
Scripsit C. Lupinius Festus:
> Democracy sucks,
Respiondeo:
Of course it does, Feste: it hasn't grown up yet and consequently hasn't any
teeth. Alias res, I take it you won't be running for any public office,
ever?
Vado.
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