| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] "Clementia" Closing |
| From: |
<gmvick32@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:28:52 -0600 |
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Salvete omnes:
I apologize to the list for my own role in continuing this discussion, and
pledge not to comment on this issue again unless there is something I can
add which is relevant and constructive to its resolution. I recognize I do
not have the whole story (as is true for most of us), and am reacting (out
of what seems to be a rare) bad impression of one individual. Hopefully
over time I will be proved wrong, and will find that my initial reaction to
M.Aurelianus was in error.
Generally speaking, I will publicly support my gens, and I feel that it too
has been maligned by others recently. I will maintain gens loyalty.
However, reason will prevail in my thinking in all cases.
Otherwise, I comment:
>>"M. Apollonius Formosanus" wrote:
>> I would like to thank L. Cornelia Aurelia for her
research into the difficult, expensive and otherwise unjust
and harassing laws and bureaucracy that people still have to
suffer with in various lands and jurisdictions. I would like
to think that due to our idealism based on our Virtues and
the fact that we have such rapid public communications due
to our being a very small and predominantly
internet-connected community, we could do better than the
macronations in our arrangements, and show more compassion
and justice and freedom from bureaucracy.
Very good point. Why, if any injustice persists in the macronations, should
we perpetuate it here?? The issue that remains, and I have no clear
answers, is what serves the best interests of Nova Roma.
I bow to M.Apollonius Formosanus.
Valete,
L. Cornelia Aurelia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Just a comment |
| From: |
netsurferjg3@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:30:18 -0000 |
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I've been browsing the board for the past week and a half. while
I've occassionally found some interesting discussions, for the most
part I've felt a little out of the loop.
I'm unaware of what these arguments on gender and naming and a
citizens expulsion are all about. It's just a little frustrating
that so many messages are dedicated to these arguments.
I was looking forward to lively discussions on Roman culture,
language etc.
I'm a prospective citizen (awaiting approval) and weeding through all
these posts leaves me puzzled and a little confused.
In not exactly sure how this organization operates or how the
legalities work. I'm just someone with an ardent interest in one of
the most powerful cultural heritages of the Western world.
I'll continue browsing the board. I'd just hate to lose the
enthusiasm I have for Nova Roma and becoming a citizen.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Morari necesse est |
| From: |
"Gaius Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jul 2000 22:03:08 -0400 |
|
Salvete omnes
Due to technical difficulties, the edict regarding equestrians and how to
become one is being postponed for a few days. My apologies to all for this
slight delay.
Valete
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Reproduction Furniture |
| From: |
<gmvick32@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jul 2000 20:51:46 -0600 |
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Salvete omnes!
I've been taking a stab for several years at "Roman Living through Interior
Design". Here's a little of what I have:
1. Other period styles you can borrow from:
Neo-classical style furniture sought to capture the essence of Greece and
Rome. If chosen carefully, it can fit nicely into an overall scheme. Other
styles that could also work, to difference degrees of success, are
Beidermeier (my second fav after Neo-classical), Empire, Federal,
Hepplewhite, and Sheraton. However, you have to mix and choose carefully,
or you'll end up with a 17th/18th c home. Palladian architecture also is
interesting to look into.
2. Stores where you'll get lucky:
Pier One and Cost Plus have lots of things that can be worked into the style
you're seeking. Romans used wicker, if memory serves me. Also, I've seen
mosaic topped dining and occasional tables. Room and Board has a day
bed-type thing that might work nicely for a triclinium. Some Bombay Company
stuff can also work. I've got a nice marble topped neoclassical side table
from them.
Hobby Lobby often has nice glassware and metalware that looks period. I get
little decorative things there. Plus, they have plaster columns.
Metropolitan Museum of Art and Signals catalogs have both carried
reproduction prints of Roman frescos for wall art. Metropolitan Museum of
Art is also good for little statues, wall art, etc., as is another store
called Period Reproductions (I think). If you go to a picture framing
store, you can also look through catalogs and order posters to be framed
which have a classical theme.
You might also think of wall murals, and I believe you can get
wallpaper-type premade murals that you can just paste up. However, I don't
know where to find such a thing or if you could find anything sufficiently
period.
3. Books I recommend from Amazon.com:
These three may not talk directly about Roman interior design, but they will
steer you towards Roman-influenced styles you can borrow from.:
- In the Neoclassic Style : Empire, Biedermeier and the Contemporary Home,
by Melanie Fleischmann, ISBN: 0500279055
- Period Details : A Sourcebook for House Restoration by Judith Miller
(Contributor), Martin Miller ISBN: 051788013X
- More Period Details : The House Renovator's Bible by Judith Miller ISBN:
0609604104
You also might try the following, though I don't know how much it will help
with interiors. I think it's more for understanding the arrangement of
space.
-- Houses, Villas, and Palaces in the Roman World, by Alexander Gordon McKay
ISBN: 0801859042
4. General Description: (from
http://www.fwkc.com/encyclopedia/low/articles/f/f008001688f.html)
Roman Furniture.
At first glance, Roman design appears to have been based on Greek
prototypes. In the first century AD opulent Roman design reflected strong
Greek influence. The ruins of Pompeii and Herculaneum provide clear evidence
of handsome domestic architecture and show the settings that required
furniture. Pompeiian frescoes illustrate the use of furniture and suggest
that a wider variety of forms was known. The source and date of new storage
pieces that had been introduced in Hellenistic Greece are questionable. No
secure evidence confirms the theory that cupboards were introduced then.
Examples of them on Roman frescoes may be copies of Greek paintings, but a
cupboard from the house of Lararium in Herculaneum has survived.
Extant examples indicate that more marble and bronze furniture was made in
Roman than in Greek times; also, the designs were more complex, even though
they employed the same basic vocabulary of ornament. In addition to the
small tables common in Greece, larger, rectangular examples and round tables
of various sizes were used. More practical designs were also introduced:
tables that could be taken
apart and others with folding bases. The richness of elegant inlays and
elaborate work in ivory, bronze, marble, and wood are mentioned in Roman
literature, and enough fragments exist to prove the accuracy of the early
descriptions.
Greek Furniture.
Greek furniture, like Mesopotamian, is best known from paintings and
sculpture, as little has survived. Details on vase paintings and grave
stelae (tombstones) tell a good part of the story, but the frieze from the
Parthenon and a group of miniature seated figures in terra-cotta and in
bronze help fill in the gaps. A few marble thrones have survived, as have
isolated wooden elements from actual Greek pieces. The evidence
available suggests that Greek designers did not follow the free forms of the
earlier Aegean examples. The tendency to base furniture ornament on
architectural decoration, and the general symmetry and regularity of overall
design, appear to follow Egyptian precedent.
Nevertheless, although they resemble each other, the Greek couch is quite
different in function from the Egyptian bed. Used for eating as well as
resting, the Greek couch was made with the horizontal reclining area at
table height, rather than low off the ground and at an incline. The headrest
was often curved to support pillows; no foot rest was used. Although the
animal-form leg is seen occasionally, legs were more often a trumpet form or
a rectangular design based on a columnar form. Various stools were used for
sitting. Folding stools with X-shaped legs and
stationary stools with straight legs were made at least from the 6th century
BC to the Hellenistic era.
Functional and plain examples were to be seen as well as the more elaborate.
More distinctively an innovation of Greek designers is the chair known as a
Klismos, a light (or easy) chair with a back. Comfortable and very popular,
it was used most in the Archaic and Classical periods.The Klismos is
essentially plain, with legs curving out from the seat and a back support
consisting of a simple rectangular panel curved
inward from sides to center. Tables pictured in paintings are generally
small. Rectangular tops appear to have been the more popular type; most
often the support consists of three legs-mostly simple and curved but
sometimes carved in animal forms-that were at times reinforced with
stretchers near the top. Literary references and illustrations suggest that
typical tables were light. They were moved in to serve individuals at a
dinner and removed after the meal, to allow space for entertainers to
perform. Round tables of Greek origin were made in the Hellenistic period.
Chests in ancient Greece varied in size from those on a miniature scale to
monumental examples, and, in design, from those with plain flat tops to the
more architectural style with gabled lids. They were made of wood, of
bronze, and of ivory, with architectural decoration. The chest shapes are a
long-lived phenomenon; they were first found in ancient Egypt and then
became traditional, remaining evident in 19th-century folk examples.
Valete!
L.Cornelia Aurelia
Sheridan wrote:
> Try this book:
> Furniture in Roman Britain by Liversedge
>
> Also:
> Get yourself a few "coffee table" books about Pompeii and
> Herculaneum.
> A quick look will reveal a great deal of furniture that is very
> similar
> that can be purchased at such places as Cost Plus and Pier One
> Imports.
>
> Hibernicus
> Legio IX Hispana
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Reproduction Furniture |
| From: |
<gmvick32@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jul 2000 21:30:29 -0600 |
|
Salve!
I forgot....another good period style to borrow from is Adam. Adam was directly
influenced by Roman designs.
Valete
L. Cornelia Aurelia
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Latin Software |
| From: |
"Chad Kieffer" <ckieffe@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:38:21 -0500 |
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Salvete!
There was a question about available Latin language learning software
about two months ago. I've included an e-mail I received this afternoon
about a program that is on sale and has Latin-learning support. Transparent
Language's software usually gets pretty decent reviews in language-education
magazines that I've seen, however I do not personally own this product. I
would also encourage anyone learning Latin to come on over and join the
Latinitas Sodalitas -- it's the Latinitas e-group. If anyone is interested,
I also have a few pagan-related Latin texts with learning aids at one of my
webpages at:
http://www.geocities.com/ckieffe/hymns.htm
Valete!
C Cordius Symmachus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Imperium Antiquitus |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson <amgunn@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:46:47 -0500 |
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Avete Omnes,
Venii scripsit:
Was cruising the newsgroups and found a reference to these folks. Looks like they are mainly in
California, Texas and Florida right now. Thought some of our Cives might be interested. Looks like
an SCA style organization, but within the milieu of Roma Antiqua, and the cultures with which She
came in contact.
>
> IMPERIUM ANTIQUITUS: Ancient Re-enactment Society
>
> http://members.aol.com/agamedes/
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Reproduction Furniture |
| From: |
<gmvick32@--------> |
| Date: |
Wed, 19 Jul 2000 23:33:46 -0600 |
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Salve,
There are some interesting pieces on this site that might fight your look.....don't
know about price....
http://www.highcircles.com/
Vale,
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Roman Colosseum Gets First Show in 1,500 Years |
| From: |
Megas-Robinson <amgunn@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 00:30:08 -0500 |
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Avete Omnes!
Venator hic:
Thought y'all might find this news item of interest.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Roman Colosseum Gets First Show in 1,500 Years |
| From: |
exitil@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 01:36:31 EDT |
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Too bad people cant do gladiatorial reenactments with blunter weapons instead
of gladiuses etc. Maybe staffs and nightsticks or something?
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Ludi Romani - Colosseo |
| From: |
"Marcus Attilius Regulus " <m.morgantini@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:37:54 -0000 |
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Marcus Attilius Reg. omnibus salutem dicit.
( Con preghera di traduzione in Inglese. grazie!)
Il 19 lugio 2754 A.V.C è avvenuto un fatto di grande rilevanza
cuturale per Roma , e credo , per tutti coloro che amano l'Urbe e la
sua storia. Dopo 1500 anni l'Anfiteatro Flavio è stato riaperto
al pubblico per una manifestazione teatrale.
All presenza del Presidente della Repubblica è stato rappresentato
l'Edipo Re di Sofocle.Si tratta di un avvenimento eccezionale dato
che mai il Colosseo era stato concesso per qualsiasi attività
culturale.
Speriamo che sia un ravvedimento della Sovraintendenza ai Beni
Culturali del Lazio nella direzione di un rispettoso utilizzo dei
monumenti a fini culturali. Sono anni che , ad esempio, le
meravigliose Terme di Caracalla non ospitano più gli spettacoli
dell'Opera di Roma che richiamavano migliaia di turisti ed
appassionati da tutto il mondo.
E' un periodo di grande impegno risveglio d'interesse per la
romanità e le sue vestigia. Pochi giorni fa è stata innagurata
una
sezione del Museo delle Terme di Diocleziano dedicata ai reperti
ritrovati nel Foro romano datati IX°-X° secolo aC.Inoltre è
stato
interamente riaperto al pubblico il Museo Capitolino.
Resto a vostra disposizione per ulteriori informazioni in merito
alle novità culturali di Roma.
Ad maiora!
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Digest Number 941 |
| From: |
Jeff Smith <JSmithCSA@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:04:32 -0700 (PDT) |
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exitil@-------- sent:
Subject: Re: Roman Colosseum Gets First Show in 1,500
Years
Too bad people cant do gladiatorial reenactments with
blunter weapons instead
of gladiuses etc. Maybe staffs and nightsticks or
something?
______________________________________________________
We can do it. The SCA does it now using weapons made
of rattan, although primarily medieval, there are also
some Roman-era people in the group.
Lucius Aetius Dalmaticus
(aka Lord Barcsi Janos in the SCA)
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Latin language dead? |
| From: |
netsurferjg3@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:20:10 -0000 |
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Salve omnes
I just thought this was an interesting argument.
While browsing the web for interesting sites on Roman history and
language, I found one site with somewhat interesting information and
images.
It wasn't an in depth site, but what I found amusing was the web
masters assertion that despite Rome's far reaching conquests and
empire, Latin became a dead language and the Celtic and Germanic
(i.e. "barbarian") languages are still alive and spoken now.
This simple statement made me laugh, since Gaelic, English, German
etc. are all heavily influenced by Latin and are not pure by any
means.
As for Latin being a dead language? Well, I speak Spanish,
French, some Portuguese, and eventhough I never took a lesson in
Latin, I can read a latin text and understand approximately 85% of
what is written!
Latin, like a lot of other languages, NEVER died. It just
evolved. It gave birth to Italian, Spanish, French, Portuguese,
Catalan, and Roumanian. The Roman legacy is enduring.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Lions? |
| From: |
LSergAust@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:31:28 EDT |
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Salve
On 7/19/00 2:19 PM Antonio Grilo (amg@--------) wrote:
>Salve amice Apolloni
>
>>Festus is a loose cannon, and so is that Tiberius. I would
>>not applaud this kind of barbarism if I were you.
>Apolloni. Two Censores have enacted a joint edict. The Senate trusts the
>Censores. The Tribuni seem not to be willing to call the Comitia. The matter
>of trangendered people is CLOSED, at least until the next elections. I
>confess I've not been reading the thread about Marcus Aurelianus or Lucius
>Fimbria. I personally don't care, and I even care less about personal
>disputes.
Regarding the Tribuni, this is the situation: I could call to order
either the Senate or the Comitia Plebis Tributa. The Senate has already
considered and disposed of this issue, so convening them to reconsider it
would be a waste of everyone's time and rhetoric. I'm not afraid to piss
important people off if my duty requires it, but I'm not going to do it
just to make a pointless gesture.
The Comitia Plebis Tributa can pass a plebiscite that is binding on the
whole citizenry, but such a plebiscite can be overridden by either of the
other comitiae. The final, deciding vote must be in the Comitia
Centuriata. So why should we waste time convening and voting in the CPT?
A final decision can only come from the CC.
Also, right now we couldn't have a vote on anything by any of the
comitiae because (as far as I know) we still have no Rogatores to count
votes.
>
[snip]
>I have enacted an order for the subscribers of the list to close the
>trangendered topic as dangerous for the unity of the State. My order was
>considered to be against the Constitution and vetoed. A Curator Sermonum was
>appointed as a solution to the problem and I intend to respect and follow
>the instructions of the Senate.
>
>Vale amice
>Graecus
I think there have been several such requests and admonitions by several
magistrates. I also see no point in continuing these arguments here.
Nothing is accomplished but more ill will all around. Who thinks we need
more of that?
We could use a little healing around here. Failing that, a little more
self-control at many keyboards would be helpful and *a service to the
Republic*.
Vale,
L. Sergius Australicus Obstinatus
Tribunus Plebis
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] voting |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:45:56 -0500 (CDT) |
|
M. Octavius Germanicus Lucio Sergio SPD:
> The Comitia Plebis Tributa can pass a plebiscite that is binding on the
> whole citizenry, but such a plebiscite can be overridden by either of the
> other comitiae. The final, deciding vote must be in the Comitia
> Centuriata. So why should we waste time convening and voting in the CPT?
> A final decision can only come from the CC.
That final decision is the only way this issue will ever be settled. If
that vote happens, no one will be in a position to grumble about being
oppressed by the senior magistrates, as the decision will have come from
the People as a whole.
The vote in the CPT could be overturned, but this wouldn't happen
immediately. It might have the effect of provoking an immediate call for
a vote in the Centuries. So while it wouldn't be final, it would initiate
the sequence of events leading to a final decision.
> Also, right now we couldn't have a vote on anything by any of the
> comitiae because (as far as I know) we still have no Rogatores to count
> votes.
I volunteer to act as Rogator, and to fulfill this function by writing
both the front-end Cista program that will accept votes, and a back-end
that will count them by issuing database queries that will automatically
check the validity of each vote and calculate the decision made by each
tribe.
For the sake of auditing the results and ensuring fairness, the system
can issue a tracking number as the vote is past; the tracking numbers
and the vote associated with each can then be published to the list.
Patres Conscripti, is this proposal acceptable? It is somewhat different
from the role of a Rogator in the past, but I feel I can improve the
efficiency of the voting process.
> We could use a little healing around here.
I think that will only happen once the topic is closed for good; and a
final decision resulting from a vote might just do that. At least it
would deflect the criticism away from the persons of the Censors, for
the resulting law would then be a decision by the People.
Valete, Octavius.
--
M. Octavius Germanicus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Loose cannons??? |
| From: |
"Aurelius Tiberius" <kminer_rsg@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 10:07:04 EDT |
|
It would seem that some of you see me as a loose cannon. Why because I
simply tried to show the sillyness of a string of conversations about
something that was decided upon, and put to rest.
I have not been a member of NR long, but I have come to see there are a few
cives that seek only to blow sunshine up their own asses. be cautious, no
one is indespensable. no matter how important you think you are there is
always someone else that can do just as good a job as you. (usually better)
now if you dislike my sense of humor, I am sorry... Let it be said I never
have been know for my Rapier like wit. I was trying to make a point.
On to the spelling thing, OK, OK, I cant spell worth a squat.. Never have
been any good at it, and my formal education isn't in English. the fact
that most of the time I am typing away at a quick pace dosent help. I
suppose I should use the spell checker more often. (I am sure Bill Gates
made it just for people like me).
I am sure this will upset even more of you. But, to be honest I don't
care. I am here to be an active member, (which by the way is more then
reading and answering emails) I have offered my services to several of the
powers that be, but as of yet haven't heard back.
I am a soldier, not a unic (I'm sure this isn't spelled right!!) so if I
don't fit the quiet mouse mold you have for citizens I am sure you have a
way to give me the boot. please feel free to use it. I do not want to
leave, but I also don't want to be like so many people in orginzations like
this, who join, sit back, and watch the world go buy.
as for my latin, italian, etc... I'm working on it.. I have one quote for
you all though...
"Virtute Non Verbis"
and for what it's worth a loose cannon would denote something out of
control, you couldn't be more wrong.
Aurelius Tiberius Ronanus
Praefectus Legionis & Tribuni Militum,
Legio VI of the Northern Army
"Nos Sumus Romae milites, parati stamus ad potestatem et gloriam eius. Roma
est Lux."
"we are soldiers of Rome, for her might and glory we stand ready... She is
the Light"
>>
>On 7/19/00 2:19 PM Antonio Grilo (amg@--------) wrote:
>
> >Salve amice Apolloni
> >
> >>Festus is a loose cannon, and so is that Tiberius. I would
> >>not applaud this kind of barbarism if I were you.
> >Apolloni. Two Censores have enacted a joint edict. The Senate trusts the
> >Censores. The Tribuni seem not to be willing to call the Comitia. The
>matter
> >of trangendered people is CLOSED, at least until the next elections. I
> >confess I've not been reading the thread about Marcus Aurelianus or
>Lucius
> >Fimbria. I personally don't care, and I even care less about personal
> >disputes.
>Regarding the Tribuni, this is the situation: I could call to order
>either the Senate or the Comitia Plebis Tributa. The Senate has already
>considered and disposed of this issue, so convening them to reconsider it
>would be a waste of everyone's time and rhetoric. I'm not afraid to piss
>important people off if my duty requires it, but I'm not going to do it
>just to make a pointless gesture.
>The Comitia Plebis Tributa can pass a plebiscite that is binding on the
>whole citizenry, but such a plebiscite can be overridden by either of the
>other comitiae. The final, deciding vote must be in the Comitia
>Centuriata. So why should we waste time convening and voting in the CPT?
>A final decision can only come from the CC.
>
>Also, right now we couldn't have a vote on anything by any of the
>comitiae because (as far as I know) we still have no Rogatores to count
>votes.
> >
>[snip]
> >I have enacted an order for the subscribers of the list to close the
> >trangendered topic as dangerous for the unity of the State. My order was
> >considered to be against the Constitution and vetoed. A Curator Sermonum
>was
> >appointed as a solution to the problem and I intend to respect and follow
> >the instructions of the Senate.
> >
> >Vale amice
> >Graecus
>I think there have been several such requests and admonitions by several
>magistrates. I also see no point in continuing these arguments here.
>Nothing is accomplished but more ill will all around. Who thinks we need
>more of that?
>
>We could use a little healing around here. Failing that, a little more
>self-control at many keyboards would be helpful and *a service to the
>Republic*.
>
>Vale,
>
>L. Sergius Australicus Obstinatus
>Tribunus Plebis
>
>What's the Latin for:
>
>If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.
> (Thumper's mom)
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Loose cannons??? |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:05:46 +0100 |
|
Salve Aureli Tiberi
I'm sorry. I apologize to both you and Apollonius for I have sent the
message to the list by accident. The message was intended to be private and
Apollonius did not intent to harm you publicly. That was all my fault.
Vale
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Just a comment |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:18:45 -0000 |
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--- In novaroma@--------, netsurferjg3@f... wrote:
> It's just a little frustrating
> that so many messages are dedicated to these arguments.
Please don't give up on us! Some of the more interesting discussions
go on in side lists, such as ReligioRomana (for the Roman religion)
and the Sodalis Latinitas (sorry, I can't think of the list name
offhand). Also, depending on where you are, your provincia may have a
list set up for its members.
This main list is one of the chief places where Nova Roman political
discourse takes place, and I can understand how it would be
completely baffling to a newcomer!
Please do feel free to ask questions or introduce any subjects you
would like to discuss. Most of us would be THRILLED to talk about
something else.
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[novaroma] Re: Reproduction Furniture |
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"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:23:29 -0000 |
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Thank you to Hibernicus and L. Cornelia Aurelia for their excellent
information on this topic! I'd be interested to see photos of
anyone's "Roman" rooms or gardens.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Marcus Octavius' Offer |
| From: |
labienus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:49:55 US/Central |
|
Salvete
Below is a letter Censor Merullus asked me to forward to this list.
He is absolutely correct in his assessment of the situation. Anyone who wishes
to read the appropriate laws is referred to Lex Vedia de Ratione Eligium and
Lex Vedia de Vigintisexviri. (Note that Lex Iunia de Ratione Eligium and Lex
Cornelia de Ratione Eligium modify portions of Lex Vedia de Ratione Eligium,
but in ways that aren't particularly germane to this subject.) All of these
laws are online at the Tabularium page in the Nova Roma Web site.
Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus
_________
Salvete Marce Octavi et alii
I appreciate your offer to do even more for Nova Roma. But, as you point
out, there are problems with your serving in the capacity of rogator:
>As the maintainer of the Censors' database, I know everyone's voter codes.
>If I provide a voting tool of any kind, I'll be able to see votes as
>they come in, and know how any individual voted. Under the existing
system,
>Rogatores should not possess this information.
That's absolutely right, they shouldn't. They also shouldn't configure the
cistae -- the Curator Araneae does that (with or without the assistance of
others). And this isn't my opinion only, we have laws set up to regulate
how this is done.
Quirites rogatores count votes. In order to ensure a fair, anonymous vote,
they do not receive the names of citizens corresponding to the voter codes,
only the codes themselves and the corresponding tribes, centuries and
plebs/patrician status. Nor do they configure the cistae.
We have one person in the office now, Merlinia Ambrosia Artori. She will
need a colleague in order for us to hold a vote in any comitia. While I
believe that Octavius Germanicus saved us all by providing a working cista
for the last election, and think that he can lend a hand in this area in the
future, I think that it is imperative that we have someone outside the domus
censorialis to act as Ambrosia's colleague. So, the following people are
disqualified:
L Cornelius Sulla Felix
C Marius Merullus
D Iunius Palladius
T Labienus Fortunatus
M Octavius Germanicus
M Apollonius Formosanus
Cn Moravius Piscinus
...and any other scribae that I might have missed...
unless they quit the censorial job and post an oath to delete any censorial
data in their possession before standing for appointment to rogator. Now,
if Octavius Germanicus does this, we'll be in another predicament, because
he is upgrading the format of the censorial alba, making it remotely
accessible and more secure.
I would further say that A Gryllus Graecus is not qualified to be appointed
rogator while serving as curator araneae, because he controls the cista.
Obviously, if he resigns this post to count votes, we'll REALLY be up the
creek.
There must be some other citizens who aren't currently in office who have
reasonable grasp of basic math, our constitution and laws, and strong
dedication to Nova Roma. Fortunatus and I have written a manual on how to
go about it and can answer interested citizens' questions from firsthand
experience. This is your chance to make this democracy / republic /
oligarchy / empire / whatever you wish to call it work.
>
>Additionally, I'll almost certainly be standing for higher office in
>December; if any voting system I build is still in use then it will have
>to be scrupulously audited for fairness and accountability.
Any rogator cannot run for election during his/her term of office as
rogator, period. Audit or none.
>Over the next hour, I'll put together a document with the technical
>details of how such a system can work -- I have some ideas already, I just
>need to think them through fully.
>
>I'd like to be a Rogator, and am willing to do the work -- but my
>knowledge of who possesses each voter code must be considered. I can
>provide a system that is fair and efficient and will allow the results
>to be verified by each individual voter, but it's generally impossible
>to hide information from the programmer who builds such a tool.
>
>I agree... and I wouldn't be able to build a sophisticated and fair
>Cista for at least a week or two in any case.
Building a cista, primitive or sophisticated, is not what a rogator does.
We're talking about two separate functions here.
Valete
C Marius Merullus
Censor Suffectus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Re: Reproduction Furniture |
| From: |
"Aurelius Tiberius" <kminer_rsg@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:53:45 EDT |
|
Salve,
for anyone that might be interested in a place to buy Busts, etc.. you
might want to check out, wwww.romancapital.com They have a nice array of
stuff from full size to small desktop pieces made from marble. not too bad
on the wallet either.
and the service is very good. My wife just picked up the big sized "Bather"
for our garden, and the people were super friendly...
A_tiberius
>From: "pjane@-------- " <pjane@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Re: Reproduction Furniture
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:23:29 -0000
>
>Thank you to Hibernicus and L. Cornelia Aurelia for their excellent
>information on this topic! I'd be interested to see photos of
>anyone's "Roman" rooms or gardens.
>
>Patricia Cassia
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Marcus Octavius' Offer |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:13:44 -0500 (CDT) |
|
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 labienus@-------- wrote:
> there are problems with your serving in the capacity of rogator:
These problems, I now know, are serious enough to disqualify the whole
plan. That's why I mailed the proposal to the censors and consuls only,
so that it could be shot down in private...
Vale, Octavius.
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Marcus Octavius' Offer |
| From: |
labienus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:41:38 US/Central |
|
Salve Marce Octavi
> These problems, I now know, are serious enough to disqualify the whole
> plan. That's why I mailed the proposal to the censors and consuls only,
> so that it could be shot down in private...
It would be far out of character for Censor Marius to ask me to post a message
to this list in order to embarass or damage anyone. That was certainly not my
intent! I expect he asked me to do it in order to share the reasons and the
laws with the general populace.
Your contributions to Nova Roma are immense, and greatly appreciated. They are
in no way diminished simply because you put forward a partially untenable idea--
especially since you did so as part of an offer to do even more for the Res
Publica than you already have.
Also, your suggestion for a cista that would automate much of the drudgery of
the rogatores' job is still feasible. The curator araneae (A Gryllus Graecus)
has the responsibility of creating the cista, and would quite likely appreciate
any help you might give him.
Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Marcus Octavius' Offer |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:47:58 -0500 (CDT) |
|
Salve T Labiene
> It would be far out of character for Censor Marius to ask me to post a
> message to this list in order to embarass or damage anyone. That was
> certainly not my intent!
Certainly not... and the embarrassment was minor. Everyone has an
unworkable idea now and then.
> Also, your suggestion for a cista that would automate much of the drudgery
> of the rogatores' job is still feasible.
As a programmer, my first instinct upon looking at *any* process that
involves repetitive manual calculations or table lookups is to try and
find a way to automate it... in this case, unfortunately, the need for
privacy makes the task impossible. Voting results could be calculated
in a matter of seconds through a very simple process if all the necessary
information is in one place - but the law wisely forbids all such
information from being in one place.
Vale, O.
--
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[novaroma] Festus And Britannia |
| From: |
Lykaion1@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:54:39 EDT |
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Salvete,
I take responsibility for any disruption of this list and any hard
feelings caused by my remark to "Look not to Britannia for the Truth". While
it was never my intention to make any sweeping generalization of citizens in
Britannia, this nevertheless has been taken that way and unnecessarily caused
offense and hurt feelings, and for this I do apologize.
And for any personal attacks made against Moravius Vado, I also
apologize and retract those remarks. I do wish sincerely well being to the
residents of Britannia.
While I am here, I also would like to get off this subject for a moment
and speak of Marius Fimbria/Aurelianus. When I wrote my post DEMENTIA, the
satire of a previous post called CLEMENTIA, it was intended as only that, a
satire of that previous post and the position taken by Formosanus in that
post. It was in no way intended as a personal lampoon of Marius
Fimbria/Aurelianus. While she and I ended up on polar opposite sides in the
recent "gender edict" controversy, I do genuinly like the person. I consider
Marius to be a friend and hope we can work together in the future, as she has
kindly offered to help me with backgrund information for my novel.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] To All Of The S.P.Q.R |
| From: |
Lykaion1@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:04:11 EDT |
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Salvete,
This may be a long post, and so I ask you all to please print it out and
read it. It concerns an issue that affects all of us, Nova Roma citizens,
and non-citizens alike.
There is a very ugly and unethical thing going on, and if it is not
illegal by Nova Roma law, then it should be. I am sending this post to both
the Senate, and to the main list, because I have already been victimized by
this, and each and every one of you can just as easily be victimized
There has recently been some discussion concerning the taverna, and the
search for a new chatroom. The major concern has been the presence of
'lurkers', people who are present in the room, but cannot be seen, and of the
ethics of reporting on conversations that take place there.
Personally, I have absolutely no problem with this. A chatroom is a
public forum. Anyone with internet access can sign up with Beseen.com and
enter the Nova Roma taverna. The simple, common sense rule of thumb is to
understand that whatever one says in a chatroom may be "proclaimed from the
rooftops" or aired on television or radio.
When I am in the taverna, I do not care if some 'invisible friend' is there
reading my conversation. I also do not care if this person tells someone
else what I have been saying. As I see it, I have already spoken in a public
forum, and so what I have said cannot be made any more public than it already
is! If we desire privacy, we have the 'whisper' command, AIM, email, and
the telephone. We do not have any "right to privacy" in a public chatroom.
However, we DO have the right and expectation that PRIVATE
communications will be treated as such. We frown on those who would post a
private email on the mailing list, do we not? And we further expect not to
be slandered or libeled in public forums.
There is a difference between slander/libel, and opinionating. For example,
if you say, "Gaius Lupinius Festus is a worthless son of a bitch", you are
expressing an opinion that others may or may not share. But if you say
"Gaius Lupinius Festus robbed a bank and killed the teller", and it is not
so, then you have told a lie. You would have slandered or libeled Gaius
Festus.
I like lurking in a chatroom, and see no ethical problems with it. In
fact, just last evening, my lurking allowed me to discover a real ethical
crime being committed. I saw that my PERSONAL communications were being
shared, and that I was being libeled.
And if this is happening to me, it may very well happen to you.
The men responsible for this are Piscinus and Formosanus.
From the time I entered that chatroom to the time I left, I copied the
entire conversation to a txt. file, and any who wish to see it may have a
copy emailed from me.
Piscinus said, in this public chatroom, that he and Formosanus have been
sharing with each other {and who knows who else?} AIMs from myself and Censor
Lucius Cornelius Sulla. Piscinus then proceeded to say blatant lies about
me. He said, more than once, that I had been "harassing" him all day with
AIMs. The truth is, I sent TWO AIMs to Piscinus yesterday morning, at around
7:30 am EST, and NO MORE. Unlike Piscinus, I work for a living. I leave for
work shortly after 7:30 in the morning, and after picking up my wife from her
job, I usually come home at around 6:30pm. I have no internet access where I
work, and it is impossible for me to send an instant message to anyone!
Piscinus also made a strange comment. He said that someone, {presumably
Sulla?} had posted Formosanus' private email on the main list, and that the
Consuls should be notified. I was shocked. I checked the list, and saw
nothing. No posts containing the private email of ANYONE had been posted.
Yet this is what Piscinus said happened, and you can read it for yourself.
The txt file of this chatroom conversation is authentic. I have not edited
it. And since it is a public chatroom, you may have it by emailing me.
Also present in the chatroom were Vado, Marius Fimbria, Aeternia Draconia,
Formosanus, and Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus. These people did NOT
however, make any betrayals of private messages nor did they engage in libel.
They were simply there. I doubt Piscinus would be able to convince all of
them to lie for him, and deny he made these statements.
I will now direct some questions to Formosanus and Piscinus.
Formosanus, you speak so eloquently {and almost endlessly in long winded
posts} about the Roman Virtues, such as clementia, iustitia, etc. Whatever
happened to honestas? Does your betrayal of private communications show in
what high esteem you hold these virtues?
Piscinus, I understand you are retired. Do you have too much time on your
hands that you can spread private communications to others, and tell outright
lies about people? Why do you demand public apologies from others when your
behavior here is so disgusting? Are you in that dire a need of a life sir?
How many other citizens have you betrayed in this manner? Have you informed
some of them, at least, that you are doing this?
I call for Picinus and Formosanus to make immediate public apologies to all
of Nova Roma. I call for them to resign any commitee or other posts they may
hold. If they will not resign citizenship, they should remain private
citizens only.
I also call for the Senate and Magistrates to take immediate punitive action
against these men.
For myself, I once considered both these men friendly acquaintances. They
have now revealed themselves to be enemies, and all ties between the Lupinii
and these men are now totally severed.
So, I have stated the problem. What are some solutions? Here is one.
Trust no one.
That is exactly what I am going to do. I am not resigning citizenship at
this time. Frankly, right now I do not care enough about Nova Roma to even
bother to resign. I am unsubscribing from all lists, and am taking a
vacation. It may be two days, it maybe two months, it maybe forever. I
honestly do not know. I may work on my story, and if I choose to do so I may
post it. If I don't, don't worry about it. If I feel better later, I'll be
around. If not, no big deal. No one is indispensible. If anyone needs to
reach me, I can be emailed at this address, though I cannot promise personal
replies. I have no idea where they may end up! :}
For those of you who consider yourselves friends with Piscinus and
Formosanus, I strongly urge you to reconsider your friendship. They may be
screwing you around as well.
This is my statement, my official complaint, and my warning. Do as you like
with it.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Rogator |
| From: |
marcusaemiliusscaurus@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:10:08 -0000 |
|
Salve Cives of Nova Roma!
Having read the recent posts between Germanicus and Labienus, it
seems the problem is not the lack of a person but of a second rogator
to assist in the counting. With no knowledge of the codes or the
cista, or indeed how it works, being a relatively new citizen, I
offer myself, Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus, as second
Rogator. I am not a censorial scribe, and so qualify in that
respect. My reasons are partly selfish, however. I wish both to
help Nova Roma and to prove myself, having been unable to secure a
permanent post in Nova Roma. Who actually decides who has the post?
The citizens? The first Rogator? I implore those who do to decide
quickly, lest this problem get larger than it need.
Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Festus And Britannia |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:18:52 -0400 (EDT) |
|
Salve, My Friend;
I congratulate you on your apology. I knew that you would see the sense
of it, and I have some idea of what it cost you.
I think I also understand your need for little peace and quiet. Such
is exactly my intention come the end of December. I hereby place you on
official leave from my staff, for as long as you shall desire. You may
start at any time again that you wish.
Should you wish to talk about this or anything else, I am at your
disposal. I will of course miss your information and or assistance, but
I suppose that I will be able to stumble along somehow (Grin!!!!!)
Enjoy--my friend, and thank you for the heads-up!!!!!!!
Vale, Respectfully;
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: Festus And Britannia |
| From: |
"pjane@-------- " <pjane@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:50:37 -0000 |
|
Festus' apology, while overly delayed and followed immediately by a
fit of pique, has arrived, and I hope has helped to calm tempers in
what seems to be another of NR's fractious times.
For whatever it's worth, I would like to say that I have been
impressed in general with the erudition and energy of our Citizens in
Britannia and elsewhere in Europe, and am ashamed that one on my side
of the Atlantic has caused such unhappiness among such valued people.
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Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:09:33 -0500 (CDT) |
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Thanks for the transcript; this is the best demonstration I've seen yet
of the need for a new chatroom that will prohibit lurking. The participants
in that conversation thought they were engaging in a conversation amongst
themselves, but all the while their words were being logged by an unseen
lurker.
Removing the ability to lurk invisibly must be the highest priority
for the new chat system. It's hard to prevent someone from logging
the conversation, but at least participants should know who is there
doing it.
Vale, Octavius.
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Re: [novaroma] Rogator |
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Fortunatus <labienus@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:07:29 -0500 |
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T Labienus M Scribonio S P D
> With no knowledge of the codes or the cista, or indeed how it works,
> being a relatively new citizen, I offer myself, Marcus Scribonius
> Curio Britannicus, as second
> Rogator.
Thank you for offering. If you or anyone else wants to know what's
involved in being a rogator, there is a handbook detailing the job. It
is online at the Nova Roma site, but there doesn't seem to be a link to
it and I can't remember the URL offhand. If someone knows the URL,
please share it. In the meantime, you probably want to read the various
laws concerning the comitia and vigintisexviri found in the Tabularium.
> My reasons are partly selfish, however. I wish both to
> help Nova Roma and to prove myself, having been unable to secure a
> permanent post in Nova Roma.
There's nothing wrong with that.
> Who actually decides who has the post?
Normally, rogatores are elected in the main election in December.
However, when the post is prematurely empty, the Senate appoints a
rogator pro tempore. It's very likely that the next session of the
Senate will have appointing a new rogator as one of its goals.
Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus
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Re: [novaroma] Marcus Octavius' Offer |
| From: |
"Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <trog99@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:46:46 GMT |
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Salve Marcus Octavius Germanicus:
I too, must assure you that, based on my knowlege of Censor et Assensus C.
Marius Merullus, his intentions were to offer a detailed explanation of his
reasoning regarding your offer and not to embarrass or be curtly critical.
You have made many wonderful contributions to our res publica with your
computer expertise, and your accompanying organizational skills. Myself,
and many others, are grateful Marcus Octavius.
Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
Scriba Consula, MMA
Nova Roma .
>From: labienus@--------
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: Re: [novaroma] Marcus Octavius' Offer
>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:41:38 US/Central
>
>Salve Marce Octavi
>
> > These problems, I now know, are serious enough to disqualify the whole
> > plan. That's why I mailed the proposal to the censors and consuls only,
> > so that it could be shot down in private...
>
>It would be far out of character for Censor Marius to ask me to post a
>message
>to this list in order to embarass or damage anyone. That was certainly not
>my
>intent! I expect he asked me to do it in order to share the reasons and
>the
>laws with the general populace.
>
>Your contributions to Nova Roma are immense, and greatly appreciated. They
>are
>in no way diminished simply because you put forward a partially untenable
>idea--
>especially since you did so as part of an offer to do even more for the Res
>Publica than you already have.
>
>Also, your suggestion for a cista that would automate much of the drudgery
>of
>the rogatores' job is still feasible. The curator araneae (A Gryllus
>Graecus)
>has the responsibility of creating the cista, and would quite likely
>appreciate
>any help you might give him.
>
>Vale
>T Labienus Fortunatus
>
>
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[novaroma] Apologies |
| From: |
"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:22:36 +0100 |
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Salvete, citizens:
I hope this has not come too late, and I thought I'd better get it in before what looks like another storm brews up.
Yesterday I received (though I did not see it until today) a very handsome peace overture from Censor Sulla, in response to an apology offered to both him and Festus concerning the late unpleasantness.
I have to admit it surprised me, and I hope that amuses him. Sulla's response actually made me consider how self-restrained he has been in this Forum of late, and that shames me somewhat. I share Sulla's wish, expressed to me in that post, that we can move on to more productive endeavours. So...
I, Nicolaus Moravius Vado, wish publicly to state that I am deeply sorry for my part in the argument with Festus which caused so much acrimony on this List, and elsewhere. If I had handled it differently in the first place, Festus might not have had the opportunity, or the desire, to have offended as he did. For whatever it may mean to anyone, I believe that, in his love of a nicely-turned phrase, Festus (so often like me) couldn't resist using it, without regard for its effect.
So I stand, as it were, in front of you all, and offer, first, my apologies to all the citizens of Britannia for having facilitated the issuing of insults to you and the propraetor's office;
I apologise to Consul Audens and my colleagues in the Office of the Accensi for any embarassment I have caused them by association;
In like manner, I apologise to my august predecessors in the governorship of my beloved provincia;
And likewise I also ask pardon of the goddess Flora and my august predecessors in Her flaminate for anything they may feel I have done to bring Her cult and service into disrepute;
I apologise to every citizen of Nova Roma who has found this whole sorry business even one half as tedious and vexatious as I have;
And, if Festus will allow me (I hope someone will show him this), I apologise to him too, for having provoked him sufficiently to become, with me, the co-causer of the trouble.
Now, Consul M. Minucius Audens has told me that he believes Festus to be possessed of much the same good qualities as I. All I can say to that is that evidently I lack Audens' insight, because I missed them. So I also apologise for that oversight, and if Festus returns to us, I am going to start looking for them in him.
Audens also said that if Festus and I expended as much energy creatively in the service of the respublica, as we have on savaging each other, together we would make an impressive difference. I think this is probably very true, but there is only one way for us to find out. If I never had to work with people who upset me occasionally, or whom I didn't like, I'd hardly ever work at all.
I thank Festus for his apology to me, and to Britannia. I hope my fellow Brittones will agree that he has made satisfaction to them as well.
Finally, my thanks to Audens, to C. Marius Merullus, to Patricia Cassia, and to everyone else who helped mediate or soothe feelings in this matter. You all know who you are, and probably I don't know all of you. Beati pacifici. Let my chagrin, and Festus', serve as a warning to anyone else who believes themselves to be cleverer than they really are.
Bene valete,
N. Moravius Vado (and now for the first time in this topic, I sign with my titles, which I feel I have to re-earn nonetheless):
Accensus Consulis Iunior
Propraetor Britanniae
Flamen Floralis.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] More on Reproduction Furniture |
| From: |
Iulia66198@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:54:21 EDT |
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Salvete -
There were some nice looking urns at the following:
http://www.visionsdesigngroup.com/aRomanCollection.htm
And here is a site for lamps:
http://www.eganbronze.com/Pages/indexnew.html
Also, I came across this Roman open air museum in Germany while looking for
furniture somehow. Anyone visited? :)
http://www.villa-rustica.de/intro/indexe.html
Valete,
Iulia
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Re: [novaroma] Rogator |
| From: |
DrususCornelius@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:10:17 EDT |
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Salvete!
I would like to stand for the position of Rogator. I am currently
serving Nova Roma as Legate in the province of California and Nevada, and I
would love this opportunity to serve in this capacity. I also have a
thorough understanding of the Nova Roman electoral process. So, to whomever
is responsible for logging such things, please consider me a candidate.
For the Senate and the Roman People, Valete!
Drusus Cornelius Claudius
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Marcus Octavius' Offer |
| From: |
Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:10:58 -0500 (CDT) |
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Pompeia Cornelia Strabo wrote:
> I too, must assure you that, based on my knowlege of Censor et Assensus C.
> Marius Merullus, his intentions were to offer a detailed explanation of his
> reasoning regarding your offer and not to embarrass or be curtly critical.
Agreed; no harm was done.
Vale, O.
--
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Re: [novaroma] More on Reproduction Furniture |
| From: |
StarWreck@-------- |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:24:20 EDT |
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Salvete,
I'm glad to see a string like this on the list. Its actually been helpful,
I'm going to see about getting some new Roman style furniture. :-D. I just
got an order via snail mail that I made 2 weeks ago for a poster of the Roman
Forum. Its beautiful and I like it a lot, the website I ordered it from had
a huge collection of Roman oriented posters, drawings, ect... the website is
http://www.allposters.com
Vale
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[novaroma] Aeternia Iulia Caesaria |
| From: |
"C Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 19:27:04 -0400 |
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Salvete
If anyone will be speaking with this civis, please ask her to contact me at
c_marius_m@--------
concerning the Sodalitas Latinitatis.
Vobis gratias ago
Valete
C Marius Merullus
triumvir condens et candidatus Sodalitatis Latinitatis
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[novaroma] Re: Aeternia Iulia Caesaria |
| From: |
"Little Dragon" <fionaerin@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:41:59 -0000 |
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---Salve C Marius Merullus,
Will I need your e-mail addy to contact you then?
Vale
Aeternia
In novaroma@--------, "C Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@n...> wrote:
> Salvete
>
> If anyone will be speaking with this civis, please ask her to
contact me at
>
> c_marius_m@--------
>
> concerning the Sodalitas Latinitatis.
>
> Vobis gratias ago
>
> Valete
>
> C Marius Merullus
> triumvir condens et candidatus Sodalitatis Latinitatis
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Apologies |
| From: |
"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:54:05 -0700 |
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Ave,
I have forwarded this post to Festus. I am very pleased that these issues
are getting sorted out. We all are working toward improving Nova Roma, each
in our own ways. Despite our disagreements, the ultimate goals are the
same. To improve Nova Roma.
Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 3:22 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Apologies
> Salvete, citizens:
>
> I hope this has not come too late, and I thought I'd better get it in
before what looks like another storm brews up.
>
> Yesterday I received (though I did not see it until today) a very handsome
peace overture from Censor Sulla, in response to an apology offered to both
him and Festus concerning the late unpleasantness.
> I have to admit it surprised me, and I hope that amuses him. Sulla's
response actually made me consider how self-restrained he has been in this
Forum of late, and that shames me somewhat. I share Sulla's wish, expressed
to me in that post, that we can move on to more productive endeavours. So...
>
> I, Nicolaus Moravius Vado, wish publicly to state that I am deeply sorry
for my part in the argument with Festus which caused so much acrimony on
this List, and elsewhere. If I had handled it differently in the first
place, Festus might not have had the opportunity, or the desire, to have
offended as he did. For whatever it may mean to anyone, I believe that, in
his love of a nicely-turned phrase, Festus (so often like me) couldn't
resist using it, without regard for its effect.
>
> So I stand, as it were, in front of you all, and offer, first, my
apologies to all the citizens of Britannia for having facilitated the
issuing of insults to you and the propraetor's office;
>
> I apologise to Consul Audens and my colleagues in the Office of the
Accensi for any embarassment I have caused them by association;
>
> In like manner, I apologise to my august predecessors in the governorship
of my beloved provincia;
>
> And likewise I also ask pardon of the goddess Flora and my august
predecessors in Her flaminate for anything they may feel I have done to
bring Her cult and service into disrepute;
>
> I apologise to every citizen of Nova Roma who has found this whole sorry
business even one half as tedious and vexatious as I have;
>
> And, if Festus will allow me (I hope someone will show him this), I
apologise to him too, for having provoked him sufficiently to become, with
me, the co-causer of the trouble.
>
> Now, Consul M. Minucius Audens has told me that he believes Festus to be
possessed of much the same good qualities as I. All I can say to that is
that evidently I lack Audens' insight, because I missed them. So I also
apologise for that oversight, and if Festus returns to us, I am going to
start looking for them in him.
>
> Audens also said that if Festus and I expended as much energy creatively
in the service of the respublica, as we have on savaging each other,
together we would make an impressive difference. I think this is probably
very true, but there is only one way for us to find out. If I never had to
work with people who upset me occasionally, or whom I didn't like, I'd
hardly ever work at all.
>
> I thank Festus for his apology to me, and to Britannia. I hope my fellow
Brittones will agree that he has made satisfaction to them as well.
>
> Finally, my thanks to Audens, to C. Marius Merullus, to Patricia Cassia,
and to everyone else who helped mediate or soothe feelings in this matter.
You all know who you are, and probably I don't know all of you. Beati
pacifici. Let my chagrin, and Festus', serve as a warning to anyone else who
believes themselves to be cleverer than they really are.
>
> Bene valete,
>
> N. Moravius Vado (and now for the first time in this topic, I sign with my
titles, which I feel I have to re-earn nonetheless):
>
> Accensus Consulis Iunior
> Propraetor Britanniae
> Flamen Floralis.
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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