Subject:	[novaroma] Nova Roma postings
From:	DTibbe2926@--------
Date:	Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:17:14 EDT

May I make a suggestion to the Curatrix Sermonem?

One thing that was brought up during the recent 'Britannia Crisis' was that
Vado's reply to Festus's 4th July post was insulting to American Nova Romans.
Perhaps it would be best not to allow 'Real World' celebrations, events, etc
that have no relevance to Nova Roma or its historical ancestors to avoid any
cross-cultural insults or slurs, intentional or not.

Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Festus And Britannia
From:	DTibbe2926@--------
Date:	Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:17:13 EDT

To all in Nova Roma,

Congratulations to Festus and Vado for their resolution of the 'Britannia
Crisis'. Through a 'cultural difference in language' I may have insulted
Festus - don't know if you were in there at the time, Festus, but Aeternia
Draconia was - in the chatroom during the Crisis. I offer an unreserved
apology to Festus if this is the case.

Well done to all who helped mediate in this matter.

Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Nova Roma postings
From:	"Lauriat" <blauriat@-------->
Date:	Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:06:34 -0400

I personally think that avoiding modern holiday references in public
postings is a fabulous idea, whether the references are officially allowed
or not. So many holidays are culture, nation and/or religion specific, that
openly "celebrating" them in a diverse and international forum can be easily
and inadvertantly offensive. We may as well just stick to talking about the
holidays that we all have in common-the Roman ones! Furthermore, avoiding
"non-Roman" holiday references in a public context would be well in keeping
with Roman tradition.

Lauria Maria Crispa


----- Original Message -----
From: <DTibbe2926@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 8:17 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Nova Roma postings


> May I make a suggestion to the Curatrix Sermonem?
>
> One thing that was brought up during the recent 'Britannia Crisis' was
that
> Vado's reply to Festus's 4th July post was insulting to American Nova
Romans.
> Perhaps it would be best not to allow 'Real World' celebrations, events,
etc
> that have no relevance to Nova Roma or its historical ancestors to avoid
any
> cross-cultural insults or slurs, intentional or not.
>
> Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Questions on holding a Roman gathering
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:47:34 -0500

19 July 2000

Salve Nova Romans

My name is Quitus Sertroius and I have a request. I am planning to hold a
gathering of people interested in being part of a Roman Legio and a Roman
cultural group(Nova Roma), and I need help in planning a proper Roman event.
Some of the things I will need help with are: food, music, games, clothing,
the sequence of the evening(was there a particular pattern to proper evening
of Roman Entertainment), topics for discussion, ect. There are probably many
areas that I am not even aware of so please help me.

Vale

Quintus Sertroius


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Subject:	[novaroma] Legates for Southern California.
From:	DrususCornelius@--------
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:45:34 EDT

Salvete!

The ProConsul of the province of California and Nevada, Lucius Cornelius
Sulla is currently in search of citizen from Northern California to serve as
the Legate from that area. All he asks is that you be dedicated and both
willing and available to work about two or three hours a week in the duties
that the position demands.
If you wish to apply for the position email the ProConsul at <A
HREF="alexious@--------">alexious@--------</A>.

For the Senate and the Roman People, Valete!
Drusus Cornelius Claudius
Legate of the California Provincia

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Rogator
From:	<gmvick32@-------->
Date:	Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:26:22 -0600

Salvete Omnes of Nova Roma:

I also stand forward to the post of Rogator, if I am acceptable to the
Senate and cives of Nova Roma. I pledge to execute the office with
impartiality.

Valete,

L.Cornelia Aurelia




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> Salve Cives of Nova Roma!
>
> Having read the recent posts between Germanicus and Labienus, it
> seems the problem is not the lack of a person but of a second rogator
> to assist in the counting. With no knowledge of the codes or the
> cista, or indeed how it works, being a relatively new citizen, I
> offer myself, Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus, as second
> Rogator. I am not a censorial scribe, and so qualify in that
> respect. My reasons are partly selfish, however. I wish both to
> help Nova Roma and to prove myself, having been unable to secure a
> permanent post in Nova Roma. Who actually decides who has the post?
> The citizens? The first Rogator? I implore those who do to decide
> quickly, lest this problem get larger than it need.
>
> Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus
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Subject:	[novaroma] The Allegations of Festus the Spy
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:23:37 +0200

Salvete Quirites!

I have just been accused by Festus of sending private
AIMs from himself and L. Cornelius Sulla to Cn. Moravius
Piscinus.

Respondeo:

1) I have never had an AIM from Festus in my life. (In
fact I do not believe that I have ever had a personal e-mail
from him, although my memory may be wrong about the second
point. We are not personal friends. :-)

2) I have never received a copy of *any* AIM from
Piscinus, I am 100% certain, or from any other person
insofar as I can remember.

The cause of this accusation is the SPYING that went on
in the Taverna recently. I had thought that Sulla was
directly responsible at the time, but now it seems that
Festus also or instead was present and deliberately
collecting information. THAT IS NOT INNOCENT as Festus as a
preface would try to present it. It is an attempt to find
means for blackmail or harrassment, especially of political
opponents such as might be characteristic in a police state.
(Festus of course is not the State, but he has his political
affiliations, which are not the same as mine.)

But since this dubiously obtained transcript exists, I
shall make use of the copy provided me by Censor Sulla to
show how unsubstantial this all is. The passage in question
is:
_____________________
> Piscinus: Right, you englanders have such a problem
with the way we Speak the mother tongue
> > 0:46 am Thursday July 20, 2000
> >
> > AeterniaDraconia: Pisci I'm beginning to feel a little
sad.
> > 0:46 am Thursday July 20, 2000
> >
> > Piscinus: as they were happening
> > 0:45 am Thursday July 20, 2000
> >
> > Vado: He IS a demogogos. What's wrong with that?
> > 0:45 am Thursday July 20, 2000
> >
> > Piscinus: and I festus' to Formosanus
> > 0:44 am Thursday July 20, 2000
> >
> > AeterniaDraconia: I don't want to know do I?
> > 0:44 am Thursday July 20, 2000
> >
> > Vado: Oh, I see. Formosanus relayed Sulla's
fulminations to you.
> > 0:44 am Thursday July 20, 2000
> >
> > Piscinus: Sulla claims senators are worried
Formosanus is a demagogue
> > 0:44 am Thursday July 20, 2000

In detail:

"Piscinus: and I festus' to Formosanus"

There is no context given. Festus' what? It dies *not* say
"AIMs" anywhere.

" Vado: Oh, I see. Formosanus relayed Sulla's
fulminations to you."

That was Vado's interpretation. Actually Sulla is a
quiet-spoken gentleman in speaking with me personally, and
does not "fulminate".

But WHAT is being relayed? It does not say AIMs. In fact all
that was being "relayed" was the normal paraphrases of
conversations one has had with other people. Piscinus is a
good friend of mine with whom I talk about a lot of things,
including fellow Romans and politics. The discusion of
people and politics is a legitimate part of our life in Nova
Roma, as I am sure all will agree. Relaying the the contents
of conversations IN PARAPHRASE, as people normally do, is
the ONLY thing that is going on here. There is nothing in
the evidence to show otherwise.

I might add that my private letter posted here on the
Main List was posted *by accident* by Antonius Gryllus
Graecus, and he publicly apologised for it in Digest 942,
Message 7. (July 20) Which gracious apology I accept with
thanks, Graece.

Knowing Festus' style when he is in attack mode, I am
sure that many of us can understand why Piscinus might feel
himself "harassed" by just two in a day. ;-)

The people on the list that evening have a legitimate
grievance with all those who were involved with the secret
observation of the Taverna. I had thought that the primary
culprit was Sulla, who appeared while we were in the Taverna
and asked strangely suspicious questions of Piscinus and
myself on AIM without any explanation until later, and who
later provided me with the transcript of our table talk. Now
that I see that Festus was involved just as much, one might
even *suspect* a coördinated operation to collect damaging
snippets and discredit political opponents.

Whatever one's opinion of *casual* lurking and *casual*
recording - perhaps - the use of these methods to
systematically gather information to attack political
opponents is despicable. I hope that you will agree,
Quirites.

I have already been urging the involved people I have
been in touch which - Sulla (about whom some harsh words
were spoken in Taverna) and the people spied upon - to
mutually apologise and forgive one another. The involvement
of Festus in this way, with a public attack on people based
on very faulty and sneakily-gained evidence begins to put a
different cast on things, and I shall be taking that into
consideration in the complaint that I am laying before the
Curatrix Sermonis.

We will soon be getting a new Taverna which will
preclude lurking. Will it also preclude making transcripts
to backmail people with? Could someone who knows give us a
public answer here?

Whatever the case with the new Taverna, I think that an
official investigation should be made of Festus and Sulla
with regard to this July 20 Affair.

You will note in passing that Piscinus said that Sulla
said that some senators said that I was a "demagoge". I feel
flattered to be treated so seriously as to be considered so
dangerous. I have to date only campaigned extensively for
one issue: legal provisions that are not discriminatory
against transgendering persons, and in particular the
restoration to NR of Lucius Marius Aurelianus under that
name of his choice. On the first part I have been half
successful (with the massive help of the Senate and Censor
Merullus) and on the second completely a failure, alas. A
25% track record is not impressive. A lion which eats up
only one political opponent out of four is hardly worth
keeping :-)

Festus found an accusation which is difficult to
*disprove* conclusively by any available form of
investigation. I therefore ask that I (and Piscinus) be
considered innocent on the principle of "innocent until
proven guilty" - not necessarily a Roman one in so many
words, but one which presumably conforms to most of our
common-sense notions of fairness. And you have seen the
flimsiness of the evidence, the furtive way it was
collected, and the fact that Festus is a political opponent.
If Festus wants to bring us before a NR Magistrate for
judgement, let him *prove* his allegations. I'm ready!

M. Apollonius Formosanus
_____________________________
Festus wrote:

Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:04:11 EDT
From: Lykaion1@--------
Subject: To All Of The S.P.Q.R

Salvete,

This may be a long post, and so I ask you all to please
print it out and
read it. It concerns an issue that affects all of us, Nova
Roma citizens,
and non-citizens alike.

There is a very ugly and unethical thing going on, and
if it is not
illegal by Nova Roma law, then it should be. I am sending
this post to
both the Senate, and to the main list, because I have
already been victimized by this, and each and every one of
you can just as easily be victimized

There has recently been some discussion concerning the
taverna, and
the search for a new chatroom. The major concern has been
the presence of 'lurkers', people who are present in the
room, but cannot be seen, and of the ethics of reporting on
conversations that take place there.

Personally, I have absolutely no problem with this. A
chatroom is a
public forum. Anyone with internet access can sign up with
Beseen.com
and enter the Nova Roma taverna. The simple, common sense
rule of thumb is to understand that whatever one says in a
chatroom may be "proclaimed from the rooftops" or aired on
television or radio.
When I am in the taverna, I do not care if some 'invisible
friend' is there
reading my conversation. I also do not care if this person
tells someone
else what I have been saying. As I see it, I have already
spoken in a public forum, and so what I have said cannot be
made any more public than it
already is! If we desire privacy, we have the 'whisper'
command, AIM, email, and the telephone. We do not have any
"right to privacy" in a public chatroom.

However, we DO have the right and expectation that
PRIVATE
communications will be treated as such. We frown on those
who would
post a private email on the mailing list, do we not? And we
further expect not to be slandered or libeled in public
forums.
There is a difference between slander/libel, and
opinionating. For
example, if you say, "Gaius Lupinius Festus is a worthless
son of a bitch", you are expressing an opinion that others
may or may not share. But if you say "Gaius Lupinius Festus
robbed a bank and killed the teller", and it is not so, then
you have told a lie. You would have slandered or libeled
Gaius Festus.

I like lurking in a chatroom, and see no ethical
problems with it. In
fact, just last evening, my lurking allowed me to discover a
real ethical
crime being committed. I saw that my PERSONAL
communications
were being shared, and that I was being libeled. And if this
is happening to me, it may very well happen to you.

The men responsible for this are Piscinus and Formosanus.

From the time I entered that chatroom to the time I
left, I copied the
entire conversation to a txt. file, and any who wish to see
it may have a
copy emailed from me.

Piscinus said, in this public chatroom, that he and
Formosanus have
been sharing with each other {and who knows who else?} AIMs
from myself and Censor Lucius Cornelius Sulla. Piscinus
then proceeded to say blatant lies about me. He said, more
than once, that I had been "harassing" him all day with
AIMs. The truth is, I sent TWO AIMs to Piscinus yesterday
morning, at around 7:30 am EST, and NO MORE. Unlike
Piscinus, I work for a living. I leave for work shortly
after 7:30 in the morning, and after picking up my wife from
her job, I usually come home at around 6:30pm. I have no
internet access where I work, and it is impossible for me to
send an instant message to anyone! Piscinus also made a
strange comment. He said that someone, {presumably Sulla?}
had posted Formosanus' private email on the main list, and
that the Consuls should be notified. I was shocked. I
checked the list, and saw nothing. No posts containing the
private email of ANYONE had been posted. Yet this is what
Piscinus said happened, and you can read it for yourself.

The txt file of this chatroom conversation is authentic. I
have not edited
it. And since it is a public chatroom, you may have it by
emailing me.

Also present in the chatroom were Vado, Marius Fimbria,
Aeternia
Draconia, Formosanus, and Publius Claudius Lucentius
Severus. These people did NOT however, make any betrayals
of private messages nor did they engage in libel. They were
simply there. I doubt Piscinus would be able to convince
all of them to lie for him, and deny he made these
statements.

I will now direct some questions to Formosanus and Piscinus.

Formosanus, you speak so eloquently {and almost endlessly in
long
winded posts} about the Roman Virtues, such as clementia,
iustitia, etc.
Whatever happened to honestas? Does your betrayal of
private communications show in what high esteem you hold
these virtues?

Piscinus, I understand you are retired. Do you have too
much time on
your hands that you can spread private communications to
others, and tell outright lies about people? Why do you
demand public apologies from others when your behavior here
is so disgusting? Are you in that dire a need of a life
sir?

How many other citizens have you betrayed in this manner?
Have you
informed some of them, at least, that you are doing this?

I call for Picinus and Formosanus to make immediate public
apologies to all of Nova Roma. I call for them to resign
any commitee or other posts
they may hold. If they will not resign citizenship, they
should remain private citizens only.

I also call for the Senate and Magistrates to take immediate
punitive
action against these men.

For myself, I once considered both these men friendly
acquaintances.
They have now revealed themselves to be enemies, and all
ties between the Lupinii and these men are now totally
severed.

So, I have stated the problem. What are some solutions?
Here is one.
Trust no one. That is exactly what I am going to do. I am
not resigning citizenship at this time. Frankly, right now I
do not care enough about Nova Roma to even bother to
resign. I am unsubscribing from all lists, and am taking a
vacation. It may be two days, it maybe two months, it maybe
forever. I honestly do not know. I may work on my story,
and if I choose to do so I may post it. If I don't, don't
worry about it. If I feel better later, I'll be around. If
not, no big deal. No one is indispensible. If anyone
needs to reach me, I can be emailed at this address, though
I cannot promise personal replies. I have no idea where
they may end up! :}

For those of you who consider yourselves friends with
Piscinus and
Formosanus, I strongly urge you to reconsider your
friendship. They may be screwing you around as well.

This is my statement, my official complaint, and my
warning. Do as you
like with it.

Gaius Lupinius Festus, aka Stuart Smith




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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Allegations of Festus the Spy
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@-------->
Date:	Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:59:15 -0700

Salve

Actually I was not in the taverna at all. I was notifed by email by Festus
what was going on. He sent me the transcripts of everything and I turned it
over to the Senate of Nova Roma. Giving them full disclosoure and asking
for a mediator within the Senate to settle this affair. An affair, I might
add I did not start or contribute too.

There is no Lex, Senatus Consultum or Edictum in Nova Roma that states that
the Taverna's conversations are private. Nor is there a way to prevent such
measures. That is one of the reasons why I have been a major propoent in
switching Chatrooms. I am tired of all this back handed dealings. Do I
like being abused and disrespected in the Taverna, without my knowledge?
No, I do not. Now, as I responded to Formosanus privately, if I was going
to go to the Taverna and before I said "Salve" I saw all of this abuse going
on relating to me, would I actually say "Salve?", would you if you were in
that position? Probably not.

I have sent all of the documentation I have gotten from Festus to the
Senate, why? Becuase I am trying to solve this amicably, without bias and
with a non-partial mediator. As I have stated earlier today in response to
Vado's apology, we are all working for the betterment of Nova Roma. Even if
we disagree the goals are the same. However, abuse and conspiracies are not
a way to go about it. I have gotten my information from someone who was
there.

And, finally, I do not employ spies. Concerned citizens have come to me out
of their own free will and gave me this inforamtion. Just as citizens came
to me about any other issues. This is no different. What does it look like
to any newbies or prospective citizens who strole into the Taverna after
seeing the NR site.....then to come face to face with a bunch of citizens
disrespecting a magistrate who was elected by the People? I guess they dont
care about their own digintas, let alone the digintas of Nova Roma. Well I
do, and that is why I went to the Senate of Nova Roma to seek mediation.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

"M. Apollonius Formosanus" wrote:

> Salvete Quirites!
>
> I have just been accused by Festus of sending private
> AIMs from himself and L. Cornelius Sulla to Cn. Moravius
> Piscinus.
>
> Respondeo:
>
> 1) I have never had an AIM from Festus in my life. (In
> fact I do not believe that I have ever had a personal e-mail
> from him, although my memory may be wrong about the second
> point. We are not personal friends. :-)
>
> 2) I have never received a copy of *any* AIM from
> Piscinus, I am 100% certain, or from any other person
> insofar as I can remember.
>
> The cause of this accusation is the SPYING that went on
> in the Taverna recently. I had thought that Sulla was
> directly responsible at the time, but now it seems that
> Festus also or instead was present and deliberately
> collecting information. THAT IS NOT INNOCENT as Festus as a
> preface would try to present it. It is an attempt to find
> means for blackmail or harrassment, especially of political
> opponents such as might be characteristic in a police state.
> (Festus of course is not the State, but he has his political
> affiliations, which are not the same as mine.)
>
> But since this dubiously obtained transcript exists, I
> shall make use of the copy provided me by Censor Sulla to
> show how unsubstantial this all is. The passage in question
> is:
> _____________________
> > Piscinus: Right, you englanders have such a problem
> with the way we Speak the mother tongue
> > > 0:46 am Thursday July 20, 2000
> > >
> > > AeterniaDraconia: Pisci I'm beginning to feel a little
> sad.
> > > 0:46 am Thursday July 20, 2000
> > >
> > > Piscinus: as they were happening
> > > 0:45 am Thursday July 20, 2000
> > >
> > > Vado: He IS a demogogos. What's wrong with that?
> > > 0:45 am Thursday July 20, 2000
> > >
> > > Piscinus: and I festus' to Formosanus
> > > 0:44 am Thursday July 20, 2000
> > >
> > > AeterniaDraconia: I don't want to know do I?
> > > 0:44 am Thursday July 20, 2000
> > >
> > > Vado: Oh, I see. Formosanus relayed Sulla's
> fulminations to you.
> > > 0:44 am Thursday July 20, 2000
> > >
> > > Piscinus: Sulla claims senators are worried
> Formosanus is a demagogue
> > > 0:44 am Thursday July 20, 2000
>
> In detail:
>
> "Piscinus: and I festus' to Formosanus"
>
> There is no context given. Festus' what? It dies *not* say
> "AIMs" anywhere.
>
> " Vado: Oh, I see. Formosanus relayed Sulla's
> fulminations to you."
>
> That was Vado's interpretation. Actually Sulla is a
> quiet-spoken gentleman in speaking with me personally, and
> does not "fulminate".
>
> But WHAT is being relayed? It does not say AIMs. In fact all
> that was being "relayed" was the normal paraphrases of
> conversations one has had with other people. Piscinus is a
> good friend of mine with whom I talk about a lot of things,
> including fellow Romans and politics. The discusion of
> people and politics is a legitimate part of our life in Nova
> Roma, as I am sure all will agree. Relaying the the contents
> of conversations IN PARAPHRASE, as people normally do, is
> the ONLY thing that is going on here. There is nothing in
> the evidence to show otherwise.
>
> I might add that my private letter posted here on the
> Main List was posted *by accident* by Antonius Gryllus
> Graecus, and he publicly apologised for it in Digest 942,
> Message 7. (July 20) Which gracious apology I accept with
> thanks, Graece.
>
> Knowing Festus' style when he is in attack mode, I am
> sure that many of us can understand why Piscinus might feel
> himself "harassed" by just two in a day. ;-)
>
> The people on the list that evening have a legitimate
> grievance with all those who were involved with the secret
> observation of the Taverna. I had thought that the primary
> culprit was Sulla, who appeared while we were in the Taverna
> and asked strangely suspicious questions of Piscinus and
> myself on AIM without any explanation until later, and who
> later provided me with the transcript of our table talk. Now
> that I see that Festus was involved just as much, one might
> even *suspect* a coördinated operation to collect damaging
> snippets and discredit political opponents.
>
> Whatever one's opinion of *casual* lurking and *casual*
> recording - perhaps - the use of these methods to
> systematically gather information to attack political
> opponents is despicable. I hope that you will agree,
> Quirites.
>
> I have already been urging the involved people I have
> been in touch which - Sulla (about whom some harsh words
> were spoken in Taverna) and the people spied upon - to
> mutually apologise and forgive one another. The involvement
> of Festus in this way, with a public attack on people based
> on very faulty and sneakily-gained evidence begins to put a
> different cast on things, and I shall be taking that into
> consideration in the complaint that I am laying before the
> Curatrix Sermonis.
>
> We will soon be getting a new Taverna which will
> preclude lurking. Will it also preclude making transcripts
> to backmail people with? Could someone who knows give us a
> public answer here?
>
> Whatever the case with the new Taverna, I think that an
> official investigation should be made of Festus and Sulla
> with regard to this July 20 Affair.
>
> You will note in passing that Piscinus said that Sulla
> said that some senators said that I was a "demagoge". I feel
> flattered to be treated so seriously as to be considered so
> dangerous. I have to date only campaigned extensively for
> one issue: legal provisions that are not discriminatory
> against transgendering persons, and in particular the
> restoration to NR of Lucius Marius Aurelianus under that
> name of his choice. On the first part I have been half
> successful (with the massive help of the Senate and Censor
> Merullus) and on the second completely a failure, alas. A
> 25% track record is not impressive. A lion which eats up
> only one political opponent out of four is hardly worth
> keeping :-)
>
> Festus found an accusation which is difficult to
> *disprove* conclusively by any available form of
> investigation. I therefore ask that I (and Piscinus) be
> considered innocent on the principle of "innocent until
> proven guilty" - not necessarily a Roman one in so many
> words, but one which presumably conforms to most of our
> common-sense notions of fairness. And you have seen the
> flimsiness of the evidence, the furtive way it was
> collected, and the fact that Festus is a political opponent.
> If Festus wants to bring us before a NR Magistrate for
> judgement, let him *prove* his allegations. I'm ready!
>
> M. Apollonius Formosanus
> _____________________________
> Festus wrote:
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:04:11 EDT
> From: Lykaion1@--------
> Subject: To All Of The S.P.Q.R
>
> Salvete,
>
> This may be a long post, and so I ask you all to please
> print it out and
> read it. It concerns an issue that affects all of us, Nova
> Roma citizens,
> and non-citizens alike.
>
> There is a very ugly and unethical thing going on, and
> if it is not
> illegal by Nova Roma law, then it should be. I am sending
> this post to
> both the Senate, and to the main list, because I have
> already been victimized by this, and each and every one of
> you can just as easily be victimized
>
> There has recently been some discussion concerning the
> taverna, and
> the search for a new chatroom. The major concern has been
> the presence of 'lurkers', people who are present in the
> room, but cannot be seen, and of the ethics of reporting on
> conversations that take place there.
>
> Personally, I have absolutely no problem with this. A
> chatroom is a
> public forum. Anyone with internet access can sign up with
> Beseen.com
> and enter the Nova Roma taverna. The simple, common sense
> rule of thumb is to understand that whatever one says in a
> chatroom may be "proclaimed from the rooftops" or aired on
> television or radio.
> When I am in the taverna, I do not care if some 'invisible
> friend' is there
> reading my conversation. I also do not care if this person
> tells someone
> else what I have been saying. As I see it, I have already
> spoken in a public forum, and so what I have said cannot be
> made any more public than it
> already is! If we desire privacy, we have the 'whisper'
> command, AIM, email, and the telephone. We do not have any
> "right to privacy" in a public chatroom.
>
> However, we DO have the right and expectation that
> PRIVATE
> communications will be treated as such. We frown on those
> who would
> post a private email on the mailing list, do we not? And we
> further expect not to be slandered or libeled in public
> forums.
> There is a difference between slander/libel, and
> opinionating. For
> example, if you say, "Gaius Lupinius Festus is a worthless
> son of a bitch", you are expressing an opinion that others
> may or may not share. But if you say "Gaius Lupinius Festus
> robbed a bank and killed the teller", and it is not so, then
> you have told a lie. You would have slandered or libeled
> Gaius Festus.
>
> I like lurking in a chatroom, and see no ethical
> problems with it. In
> fact, just last evening, my lurking allowed me to discover a
> real ethical
> crime being committed. I saw that my PERSONAL
> communications
> were being shared, and that I was being libeled. And if this
> is happening to me, it may very well happen to you.
>
> The men responsible for this are Piscinus and Formosanus.
>
> From the time I entered that chatroom to the time I
> left, I copied the
> entire conversation to a txt. file, and any who wish to see
> it may have a
> copy emailed from me.
>
> Piscinus said, in this public chatroom, that he and
> Formosanus have
> been sharing with each other {and who knows who else?} AIMs
> from myself and Censor Lucius Cornelius Sulla. Piscinus
> then proceeded to say blatant lies about me. He said, more
> than once, that I had been "harassing" him all day with
> AIMs. The truth is, I sent TWO AIMs to Piscinus yesterday
> morning, at around 7:30 am EST, and NO MORE. Unlike
> Piscinus, I work for a living. I leave for work shortly
> after 7:30 in the morning, and after picking up my wife from
> her job, I usually come home at around 6:30pm. I have no
> internet access where I work, and it is impossible for me to
> send an instant message to anyone! Piscinus also made a
> strange comment. He said that someone, {presumably Sulla?}
> had posted Formosanus' private email on the main list, and
> that the Consuls should be notified. I was shocked. I
> checked the list, and saw nothing. No posts containing the
> private email of ANYONE had been posted. Yet this is what
> Piscinus said happened, and you can read it for yourself.
>
> The txt file of this chatroom conversation is authentic. I
> have not edited
> it. And since it is a public chatroom, you may have it by
> emailing me.
>
> Also present in the chatroom were Vado, Marius Fimbria,
> Aeternia
> Draconia, Formosanus, and Publius Claudius Lucentius
> Severus. These people did NOT however, make any betrayals
> of private messages nor did they engage in libel. They were
> simply there. I doubt Piscinus would be able to convince
> all of them to lie for him, and deny he made these
> statements.
>
> I will now direct some questions to Formosanus and Piscinus.
>
> Formosanus, you speak so eloquently {and almost endlessly in
> long
> winded posts} about the Roman Virtues, such as clementia,
> iustitia, etc.
> Whatever happened to honestas? Does your betrayal of
> private communications show in what high esteem you hold
> these virtues?
>
> Piscinus, I understand you are retired. Do you have too
> much time on
> your hands that you can spread private communications to
> others, and tell outright lies about people? Why do you
> demand public apologies from others when your behavior here
> is so disgusting? Are you in that dire a need of a life
> sir?
>
> How many other citizens have you betrayed in this manner?
> Have you
> informed some of them, at least, that you are doing this?
>
> I call for Picinus and Formosanus to make immediate public
> apologies to all of Nova Roma. I call for them to resign
> any commitee or other posts
> they may hold. If they will not resign citizenship, they
> should remain private citizens only.
>
> I also call for the Senate and Magistrates to take immediate
> punitive
> action against these men.
>
> For myself, I once considered both these men friendly
> acquaintances.
> They have now revealed themselves to be enemies, and all
> ties between the Lupinii and these men are now totally
> severed.
>
> So, I have stated the problem. What are some solutions?
> Here is one.
> Trust no one. That is exactly what I am going to do. I am
> not resigning citizenship at this time. Frankly, right now I
> do not care enough about Nova Roma to even bother to
> resign. I am unsubscribing from all lists, and am taking a
> vacation. It may be two days, it maybe two months, it maybe
> forever. I honestly do not know. I may work on my story,
> and if I choose to do so I may post it. If I don't, don't
> worry about it. If I feel better later, I'll be around. If
> not, no big deal. No one is indispensible. If anyone
> needs to reach me, I can be emailed at this address, though
> I cannot promise personal replies. I have no idea where
> they may end up! :}
>
> For those of you who consider yourselves friends with
> Piscinus and
> Formosanus, I strongly urge you to reconsider your
> friendship. They may be screwing you around as well.
>
> This is my statement, my official complaint, and my
> warning. Do as you
> like with it.
>
> Gaius Lupinius Festus, aka Stuart Smith
>
> --
> Marcus Apollonius Formosanus
> Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae
> Triumvir Condens Sodalitatis Latinitatis
> Scriba Censorius
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> ICQ# 61698049 Gens Apollonia:
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> The Gens Apollonia is open to new members.
> AVE RESPVBLICA LIBERA NOSTRA - NOVA ROMA!
> ________________________________________________________
>
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Subject:	Re:[novaroma] Festus and Britannia
From:	=?iso-8859-1?q?Claudius=20Nigellus?= <app_cl_lucentius_nigellus@-------->
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:49:31 +0100 (BST)

Salvete Feste et alii

As one of those who had called publicly for an apology
from you, I readily accept it in the spirit in which
it was offered.

When discussions become heated, the exchange of harsh
or ill-chosen words becomes all too easy. To realize
this in calmer moments and subsequently seek to make
amends for them is much more difficult. That your
Romanitas has reasserted itself and allowed you to
come forward and face this task is to be applauded,
for in so doing you have helped restore a measure of
civility and goodwill to this list.

It is a shame, therefore, that you feel unable to
participate in this forum any further, though, given
the nature of the allegations you have made, I
understand your reasons. I wish you well in your
contemplations away from Nova Roma, however long they
may be.

Valete

Appius Claudius Lucentius Nigellus

Legatus Cymricae Mediaeque
Provincia Britanniae

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Subject:	[novaroma] Roman Bread - Panis Militaris
From:	Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@-------->
Date:	Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:47:30 +0200

Salvete, Quirites,
Salve, Lucilla Cornelia Aurelia Antonina,
Salve, Iulia,

there are two receipts for military bread - panis militaris - which I
found in the literature. Please, don´t ask how it smells - I hadn´t the
chance to bake it (I´m a poor cook or baker) or to test it. But I think
it may smell alike the roman bread I described.

1st receipt:

500 grams mealed Wheat
300 gr. warmed Water
20 gr. Salt
20 gr.Yeast
when available also onions or honey.

Make a dough from the ingredients. Mix it well and let it rise "near the
fire" (on a warm place) for around 20 minutes. Then mix the dough again
and give it on the stone or into a pot for baking. Bake it between 30
and 50 minutes.

If you bake the bread a second time, you will get "Bucellatum" (rusk).

2nd receipt:

1 kg mealed Wheat or "Dinkel", also possible rye or barley (the
deliviring of barley to a unit was a punishment)
0,5 kg Water
Salt (no weight was given)

Also make a dough from all that. Bake it on a heated brick.

So, honoured Lucilla Cornelia and Iulia, these are my two short
receipts.

Valete,
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Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem XII Kalendas Sextilias (July 21st)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:44:16 +0100

Salvete omnes

This is a dies nefastus publicus (NP), a day for special religious
observance on which no legal action or public business can take place.

Today is the second and last day of the Lucaria which take place on July 19
and July
21. The exact meaning is since long forgotten, but the feast is probably in
honour of the deity of the grove (lucus), that stood on the Capitoline Hill
between the Arx and the Capitol, where the Asylum had been delineated by
Romulus. The third of the original tribes of Romans, the Luceres, took their
name from this grove, where the stateless fugitives, slaves and outlaws,
were received into Romulus' protection. The other tribes, the Ramnenes and
Tatienses, took their names from Romulus and Tatius, respectively. The
Ramnenes would have been the Albans and the Titienses the Sabines. The
Luceres would have been composed of the "Other", the uncategorized
foreigners accepted in Rome.
The Lucaria must then have celebrated the deity of the grove, Asylaeus, and
who was the collective tutelary dity of the Luceres.
The celebration consisted on a ritual clearing up of the woods and fences,
cutting and burning the shrubs. So, the feast can also have been the
celebration of all the Genii Loci, the spirits of the places, woods and
groves, close to Leucaria (mother of Roma) and Rhea Silvia (mother of
Romulus and Remus).

The month of Quinctilis was renamed Iulius in 44 BCE in honour of the
deified C. Iulius Caesar. This month is sacred to Iuppiter.

Pax Deorum vobiscum

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Latin language dead?
From:	"M G" <fresco@-------->
Date:	Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:12:49 +0300

Salve.
Compliments for your message,
but there is no signature.
Please which is your name ?
Vale bene.
Marcus Prometheus

----- Original Message -----
From: <netsurferjg3@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Thursday, 20 July, 2000 1:20 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Latin language dead?


> > As for Latin being a dead language?
> Latin, like a lot of other languages, NEVER died. It just
> evolved. It gave birth to Italian, Spanish, French, Portuguese,
> Catalan, and Roumanian. The Roman legacy is enduring.









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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: More on Reproduction Furniture
From:	" Sheridan" <legioix@-------->
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:59:52 -0000

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Subject:	[novaroma] places to get roman clothes...
From:	"Aurelius Tiberius" <kminer_rsg@-------->
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:09:10 EDT

I first wanted to thank everyone for the links to info/sites to furniture
sites, etc.. Now all I need to do is sell my house and build a villa to
fill it with all the great stuff I am finding!!!

I wanted to start a dialoge on roman clothing if I may, As the commander of
a legion, I am always looking for new places to give my men and thier
families a choice as where to get clothes.

I use Ana's Accouterments at www.sewfits.com, she is fantastic and I am
very happy with her work.

Anyone else have any good people to let us all know about???

Vale

Aurelius Tiberius Ronanus
Praefectus Legionis & Tribuni Militum,
Legio VI of the Northern Army
"Nos Sumus Romae milites, parati stamus ad potestatem et gloriam eius. Roma
est Lux."
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Subject:	[novaroma] Help With Translation
From:	"Robert Williamson" <robert@-------->
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:21:18 -0400

Salvé: I wonder if someone could help me with a translation for a friend of mine. My latin is strictly at the beginner's stage, and I am unable to figure this out. The words I was given to translate are "Scuola Umbra". Umbra is a shadow or shade apparently. (could be something else). But I am unable to translate Scuola. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks very much.
Valé: Appius Marcellus Cato


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Subject:	[novaroma] Out of Town
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:55:21 -0400 (EDT)

Salvete, Citizens of Nova Roma;

This is to notify all who have an interest that I will be gone this
weekend (again!!). I will be on George's Island (Fort Warren) in the
Boston Islands acting as the Federal Chief Engineer for a weekend
reenactment (Civil War). I thank my Staff for thier efforts in rounding
up information for the coming Senate call and shall deal with
outstanding business upon my return on Monday (ran out of time--first
boat to the island is noon today!!!)

In my absence, I ask that my Scriba, prepare a proposed listing of items
for introduction to the Senate Call as indicated by the Assensai Major.
In my view the idea of an oranization of Roman Military Units has merit
and since I am in the process of oranizing a similar institution for
Civil War Federals in the NE, and belong to three others spanning the
Rev War, I too have a couple of ideas. I would like to discuss this
further among the menbers of the Sodilitas Militarium and Egressus
before presenting it to the Senate for discussion. All who are
interested in this matter are invited to particpate, and to join with us
in both or either of the Sodalitas. As you will imagine, as one of two
Consuls, I could use the assistance in really getting the Sodalitas off
the ground and operating fully. I have relied upon my excellent Scriba
Pompeia Cornelia far too much, and she has responded magnificently, but
we could use the help and the ideas, and most of all the diligence to
carry out the various plans for the two institutions.

I ask Censor Merrullus and Senator Labienus to review the request
received from the Praetor of Germania and make a recommendtion regarding
its introduction to the Senate in light of their comments of yesterday.
Scriba Pompeia has a copy.

In regard to the situation in the Taverna, while there are no specific
NR rules defining conduct in the Taverna, and while NR has relied upon
common courtesy in the administration of such, it is now apparent that
the view of common courtesy and usage is so widely varied among the
citizens of Nova Roma that we are looking at a possibly more
satisfactory methodology. One of the problems in this endeavor,
however, is that with an increasing level of technology required from
citizens (remember that not all of us are extremely skillful with
various aspects of the internet or have extensive hardware) may well
reduce the ability of some to use the Chatroom, and in some cases cut
them off from that usage entirely. Therefore the research continues
with that goal and problem in mind. It takes time and effort, and I ask
for your patience and your indulgence. The Magistrates are working on
several projects at once, and thier time is of course limited.

In my view "lurking" as the practice has been tagged, has some appealing
features in that it has allowed some of our most active citizens to
become familiar with NR before deciding to join her ranks. It provides
me with a certain amount of pleasure to hear citizens discussing the
work and everyday ramifications of making a micronation work, when I
would rather hear thier opinions than insert myself into thier
discussion, whch invarably changes the tone. It is also a convienient
way to find out just what I am doing right and doing wrong, and trying
to adjust my actions to fit the needs of the citizens. I admit that one
must have a desire to learn and abide by other's opinions, in order to
take full advntage of such, but my "lurking: has been very very
advantageous to me in this respect, and I hope has been instrmental in
changing my views in the past to come more in line with the needs of NR.

I do agree, however, that there is a down side to the practice and
perhaps it is time to move on, as that down side becomes more and more
a force of disruption in our micronation. Since snippets of converstion
presented as evidence rarely tell the whole story, and since there is no
way to determine how much the conversation recorded has changed the view
of the participants of the moment, I do not feel that I can give a great
deal of crecedence to these kind of postings. I believe that Senator
Cassia's admonition that one should only say in the Taverna what one
would be willing to repeat on the open list would be a wise policy, but
of course that is for each individul to determine.

Having said all that, and in closing, I wish to leave you all with this
thought:

--Any ill comment / action directed at another simply builds ill feeling
towards yourself in direct proportion either by that person or by his /
her friends who are very liable to make what was said / done to be much
worse than the original action. It may be some time before that
ill-will surfaces to your detriment and many times in quite surprising
ways, but over time we all reap exactly what we sow in direct proportion
to our efforts. You may ignore what I say, and you may think yourself
exempt for any one of a thousand reasons, but when things begin to go
wrong, in almost every case they can be traced to our own determination
to treat others differently than we treat ourselves--

Valete, Respectfully and Sincerely;
Marcus Audens

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Out of Town
From:	"Aurelius Tiberius" <kminer_rsg@-------->
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:18:09 EDT

Salve,

I would be more then happy to give any assistance I could to the Military
Project you spoke of, just let me know

Vale,
Tiberius


>From: jmath669642reng@--------
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Out of Town
>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 09:55:21 -0400 (EDT)
>
>Salvete, Citizens of Nova Roma;
>
>This is to notify all who have an interest that I will be gone this
>weekend (again!!). I will be on George's Island (Fort Warren) in the
>Boston Islands acting as the Federal Chief Engineer for a weekend
>reenactment (Civil War). I thank my Staff for thier efforts in rounding
>up information for the coming Senate call and shall deal with
>outstanding business upon my return on Monday (ran out of time--first
>boat to the island is noon today!!!)
>
>In my absence, I ask that my Scriba, prepare a proposed listing of items
>for introduction to the Senate Call as indicated by the Assensai Major.
>In my view the idea of an oranization of Roman Military Units has merit
>and since I am in the process of oranizing a similar institution for
>Civil War Federals in the NE, and belong to three others spanning the
>Rev War, I too have a couple of ideas. I would like to discuss this
>further among the menbers of the Sodilitas Militarium and Egressus
>before presenting it to the Senate for discussion. All who are
>interested in this matter are invited to particpate, and to join with us
>in both or either of the Sodalitas. As you will imagine, as one of two
>Consuls, I could use the assistance in really getting the Sodalitas off
>the ground and operating fully. I have relied upon my excellent Scriba
>Pompeia Cornelia far too much, and she has responded magnificently, but
>we could use the help and the ideas, and most of all the diligence to
>carry out the various plans for the two institutions.
>
>I ask Censor Merrullus and Senator Labienus to review the request
>received from the Praetor of Germania and make a recommendtion regarding
>its introduction to the Senate in light of their comments of yesterday.
>Scriba Pompeia has a copy.
>
>In regard to the situation in the Taverna, while there are no specific
>NR rules defining conduct in the Taverna, and while NR has relied upon
>common courtesy in the administration of such, it is now apparent that
>the view of common courtesy and usage is so widely varied among the
>citizens of Nova Roma that we are looking at a possibly more
>satisfactory methodology. One of the problems in this endeavor,
>however, is that with an increasing level of technology required from
>citizens (remember that not all of us are extremely skillful with
>various aspects of the internet or have extensive hardware) may well
>reduce the ability of some to use the Chatroom, and in some cases cut
>them off from that usage entirely. Therefore the research continues
>with that goal and problem in mind. It takes time and effort, and I ask
>for your patience and your indulgence. The Magistrates are working on
>several projects at once, and thier time is of course limited.
>
>In my view "lurking" as the practice has been tagged, has some appealing
>features in that it has allowed some of our most active citizens to
>become familiar with NR before deciding to join her ranks. It provides
>me with a certain amount of pleasure to hear citizens discussing the
>work and everyday ramifications of making a micronation work, when I
>would rather hear thier opinions than insert myself into thier
>discussion, whch invarably changes the tone. It is also a convienient
>way to find out just what I am doing right and doing wrong, and trying
>to adjust my actions to fit the needs of the citizens. I admit that one
>must have a desire to learn and abide by other's opinions, in order to
>take full advntage of such, but my "lurking: has been very very
>advantageous to me in this respect, and I hope has been instrmental in
>changing my views in the past to come more in line with the needs of NR.
>
>I do agree, however, that there is a down side to the practice and
>perhaps it is time to move on, as that down side becomes more and more
>a force of disruption in our micronation. Since snippets of converstion
>presented as evidence rarely tell the whole story, and since there is no
>way to determine how much the conversation recorded has changed the view
>of the participants of the moment, I do not feel that I can give a great
>deal of crecedence to these kind of postings. I believe that Senator
>Cassia's admonition that one should only say in the Taverna what one
>would be willing to repeat on the open list would be a wise policy, but
>of course that is for each individul to determine.
>
>Having said all that, and in closing, I wish to leave you all with this
>thought:
>
>--Any ill comment / action directed at another simply builds ill feeling
>towards yourself in direct proportion either by that person or by his /
>her friends who are very liable to make what was said / done to be much
>worse than the original action. It may be some time before that
>ill-will surfaces to your detriment and many times in quite surprising
>ways, but over time we all reap exactly what we sow in direct proportion
>to our efforts. You may ignore what I say, and you may think yourself
>exempt for any one of a thousand reasons, but when things begin to go
>wrong, in almost every case they can be traced to our own determination
>to treat others differently than we treat ourselves--
>
>Valete, Respectfully and Sincerely;
>Marcus Audens
>
>Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
>http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Questions on holding a Roman gathering
From:	"pjane@-------- " <pjane@-------->
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:31:12 -0000

Quintus Sertorius writes:

> I am planning to hold a
> gathering of people interested in being part of a Roman Legio and a
Roman
> cultural group(Nova Roma), and I need help in planning a proper
Roman event.

Wow, that sounds fun! Where is this event going to take place?

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Subject:	[novaroma] Strength and Honor Spring Festival 2001
From:	"Aurelius Tiberius" <kminer_rsg@-------->
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:45:58 EDT

Salve good Cives...

I would like to take this opportunity to invite you all to the Spring
Festival of the Strength and Honor LARP Society. This event is going to be
held on St. Patrick's day weekend 2001 (16-18th march) in Springfield NY.
(about an hour and a bit south west of Albany, NY) It is also about 15
miles from Cooperstown, NY if any of you are baseball fans. (so there is
plenty of hotel, motel, etc.. and restruants for all.

The event will be a weekend battle for the S&H folks, (for more info on the
group you can check out the website)

www.geocities.com/strengthandhonor_2000

the event will be held at a farm adjacent to a state park with showers,
etc.. (which we should have use of, Gods willing).

if you want to see what life was like in northern england around 180AD you
can't miss this. anyone wanting to participate is strongly encouraged to do
so as well. just drop me a line. (all you need is a set of clothes)

we are trying to work out a venue for a toga party for St. Patty's day.
(hey, I know it's not one of our holidays, but it's a good excuse, and you
don't have to wear green. Just stay clear of the outlander Tribes camp!!)

Hope to see as many NR cives as possible. S&H is moving to have all of the
Roman folks become members of NR, so it would be a great exchange for both
sides!!


anyone wanting more info drop me aline..
Vale

Aurelius Tiberius Ronanus
Praefectus Legionis & Tribuni Militum,
Legio VI of the Northern Army
"Nos Sumus Romae milites, parati stamus ad potestatem et gloriam eius. Roma
est Lux."
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] The Allegations of Festus the Spy
From:	labienus@--------
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:53:16 US/Central

T Labienus M Apollonio Omnibusque S P D

>     We will soon be getting a new Taverna which will
> preclude lurking. Will it also preclude making transcripts
> to backmail people with? Could someone who knows give us a
> public answer here?

Unfortunately, there is no Web based solution to that problem. Any text that
appears on one's screen can, at the very least, be copied and pasted into a
file. When in the Taverna, remember that you are in public. However, the new
Taverna will at least allow you to know who's in earshot.

Valete



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Subject:	[novaroma] Lurking etc.
From:	"pjane@-------- " <pjane@-------->
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:24:56 -0000

By now it should be apparent that lurking in the chat room is like
reading someone's private diary: You may find out unpleasant
information about yourself, and it serves you right. Complaining
about it does nothing to enhance your reputation or dignitas.

May I gently suggest that forwarding others' conversations also earns
no favor for the person doing it? In some cases, it is an invasion of
privacy; in many cases, the conversation is of no interest except to
the original participants.

Allegations of spying, lying and other infractions of a nonexistent
code of honor serve only to take our attention away from the goals of
Nova Roma, and away from interesting and informative conversation on
this list.

If you wish Nova Roma's magistrates to take some action, you must
address your complaint to the Senate or to the relevant person, not
to the list. Your message will be treated with more respect if you
phrase it calmly, offer factual evidence, and outline possible
actions which might solve the problem.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: places to get roman clothes...
From:	"C Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@-------->
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:13:55 -0400

Salvete Aureli Tiberi et alii

Take a look at Imperium Ancient Arts in the Macellum

http://www.novaroma.org/macellum/index.html

If you order a toga or tunic from them, be sure to give your Roman name and
tell them that you found them in Nova Roma, so that a portion of the
proceeds will go to the Nova Roman treasury.

Valete

C Marius Merullus
-----Original Message-----
From: Aurelius Tiberius <kminer_rsg@-------->
To: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
Date: Friday, July 21, 2000 9:05 AM
Subject: [novaroma] places to get roman clothes...


>I first wanted to thank everyone for the links to info/sites to furniture
>sites, etc.. Now all I need to do is sell my house and build a villa to
>fill it with all the great stuff I am finding!!!
>
>I wanted to start a dialoge on roman clothing if I may, As the commander
of
>a legion, I am always looking for new places to give my men and thier
>families a choice as where to get clothes.
>
>I use Ana's Accouterments at www.sewfits.com, she is fantastic and I am
>very happy with her work.
>
>Anyone else have any good people to let us all know about???
>
>Vale
>
>Aurelius Tiberius Ronanus
>Praefectus Legionis & Tribuni Militum,
>Legio VI of the Northern Army
>"Nos Sumus Romae milites, parati stamus ad potestatem et gloriam eius. Roma
>est Lux."
>"we are soldiers of Rome, for her might and glory we stand ready... She is
>the Light"
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Help With Translation
From:	"Chad Kieffer" <ckieffe@-------->
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:01:47 -0500

Salve Cato,
"Scuola" is the Italian for school. "Scola" is the usual term in
classical Latin for school or a place of education. "Umbra" is the Latin
word for shade or shadow. "Ombra" is the modern Italian word for shadow.
I think it must be either a hybrid phrase or a medieval Italian phrase.
I'm not sure, but I seem to remember from an Art History class in college,
that "Scuola Umbra" was the name of an art movement in medieval or
renaissance Europe. Maybe someone more knowledgeable about art history can
fill us in.

Vale,
C Cordius Symmachus

----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Williamson <robert@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 9:21 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Help With Translation


> Salvé: I wonder if someone could help me with a translation for a friend
of mine. My latin is strictly at the beginner's stage, and I am unable to
figure this out. The words I was given to translate are "Scuola Umbra".
Umbra is a shadow or shade apparently. (could be something else). But I am
unable to translate Scuola. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks very much.
> Valé: Appius Marcellus Cato
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Strength and Honor Spring Festival 2001
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <trog99@-------->
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:48:17 GMT

Salve, Aurelius Tiberius:

I am sure the Sodalitas Egressus could provide you with some pamphlets on
Nova Roma to have available at this gathering.

Have you given any thought to perhaps joining the Sodalitas Egressus or
Sodalitas Militarium? We would love to have you. I am sure you have some
great ideas.

If you would like some information packages on these Sodalitas, please email
me privately at the above address, and I will boot them to you.

Bene vale!
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo




>From: "Aurelius Tiberius" <kminer_rsg@-------->
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] Strength and Honor Spring Festival 2001
>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:45:58 EDT
>
>Salve good Cives...
>
>I would like to take this opportunity to invite you all to the Spring
>Festival of the Strength and Honor LARP Society. This event is going to be
>held on St. Patrick's day weekend 2001 (16-18th march) in Springfield NY.
>(about an hour and a bit south west of Albany, NY) It is also about 15
>miles from Cooperstown, NY if any of you are baseball fans. (so there is
>plenty of hotel, motel, etc.. and restruants for all.
>
>The event will be a weekend battle for the S&H folks, (for more info on the
>group you can check out the website)
>
> www.geocities.com/strengthandhonor_2000
>
>the event will be held at a farm adjacent to a state park with showers,
>etc.. (which we should have use of, Gods willing).
>
>if you want to see what life was like in northern england around 180AD you
>can't miss this. anyone wanting to participate is strongly encouraged to
>do
>so as well. just drop me a line. (all you need is a set of clothes)
>
>we are trying to work out a venue for a toga party for St. Patty's day.
>(hey, I know it's not one of our holidays, but it's a good excuse, and you
>don't have to wear green. Just stay clear of the outlander Tribes camp!!)
>
>Hope to see as many NR cives as possible. S&H is moving to have all of the
>Roman folks become members of NR, so it would be a great exchange for both
>sides!!
>
>
>anyone wanting more info drop me aline..
>Vale
>
>Aurelius Tiberius Ronanus
>Praefectus Legionis & Tribuni Militum,
>Legio VI of the Northern Army
>"Nos Sumus Romae milites, parati stamus ad potestatem et gloriam eius. Roma
>est Lux."
>"we are soldiers of Rome, for her might and glory we stand ready... She is
>the Light"
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] To L. Caecilius Metellus Scaevola
From:	Piscinus@--------
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:56:09 EDT

Gn. Moravius Piscinus L. Caecilius Metellus Scaevola S.P.D.

I am a Soldier.

Not by weekend visits nor by trips to summer camps for little boys, not
by parading in costume nor by pounding one's chest with false bravado, as
some by pretense would debase the title; please think not that way of me, for
I am a soldier.

As a veteran of wars fought in South East Asia and in the Mideast, in the
uniform of my country I have stood beside the British soldiers of BAOR and
beside German soldiers as well, and atop the Golan Heights, beside Isreali
soldiers as they desperately held against Syrian assaults, in such places I
have earned the title.

I am a Soldier.

I am but only one who has known the true camaraderie that can only be
forged in battle, one who has tasted the bitter sorrow of watching friends
and comrades die beside him, one who has felt the utter shame of holding
others to be his enemies.

I am a Soldier.

When first I took that title, I swore an oath to defend my country, to
defend its constitution, and to defend the rights of every person who came
under its protection. If I am now a disabled veteran, as others have pointed
out, it is only because I was willing to sacrifice myself for what I believed
in. When I think of those comrades who offered up themselves to defend human
dignity and the rights of others, I see one lone man defiantly standing in
Tien An Men Square. And when I find a man of courage such as you, L.
Caecilius Metellus Scaevola, standing up for justice then I feel honor bound
to stand beside you.

I am a Soldier.

When the Founding Fathers established this micronation it was with a
vision of a noble Roman Republic. When I applied for citizenship in this
republic it was with the same commitment to honor, to defend, and to
sacrifice to make that vision a reality as I had in days past offered to my
country. Wherein now, some may ask, lies those noble virtues of moral
fortitude, the courage of conviction, and the dignity and nobility offered
unselfishly on behalf of others? I will answer, they are to be found in L.
Caecilius Metellus Scaevola.

In you alone, in this whole affair, have I found honor, integrity, and
nobility as virtues worthy to emulate. I honor your name alone, L. Caecilius
Metellus Scaevola, for I am a soldier and I salute the one man I would value
to have call me his friend and comrade.


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] To L. Caecilius Metellus Scaevola
From:	"Aurelius Tiberius" <kminer_rsg@-------->
Date:	Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:51:52 EDT

who do you think has made use of the title wrongly??


>From: Piscinus@--------
>Reply-To: novaroma@--------
>To: heckifiknow@--------
>CC: novaroma@--------
>Subject: [novaroma] To L. Caecilius Metellus Scaevola
>Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:56:09 EDT
>
>Gn. Moravius Piscinus L. Caecilius Metellus Scaevola S.P.D.
>
> I am a Soldier.
>
> Not by weekend visits nor by trips to summer camps for little boys,
>not
>by parading in costume nor by pounding one's chest with false bravado, as
>some by pretense would debase the title; please think not that way of me,
>for
>I am a soldier.
>
> As a veteran of wars fought in South East Asia and in the Mideast, in
>the
>uniform of my country I have stood beside the British soldiers of BAOR and
>beside German soldiers as well, and atop the Golan Heights, beside Isreali
>soldiers as they desperately held against Syrian assaults, in such places I
>have earned the title.
>
> I am a Soldier.
>
> I am but only one who has known the true camaraderie that can only be
>forged in battle, one who has tasted the bitter sorrow of watching friends
>and comrades die beside him, one who has felt the utter shame of holding
>others to be his enemies.
>
> I am a Soldier.
>
> When first I took that title, I swore an oath to defend my country,
>to
>defend its constitution, and to defend the rights of every person who came
>under its protection. If I am now a disabled veteran, as others have
>pointed
>out, it is only because I was willing to sacrifice myself for what I
>believed
>in. When I think of those comrades who offered up themselves to defend
>human
>dignity and the rights of others, I see one lone man defiantly standing in
>Tien An Men Square. And when I find a man of courage such as you, L.
>Caecilius Metellus Scaevola, standing up for justice then I feel honor
>bound
>to stand beside you.
>
> I am a Soldier.
>
> When the Founding Fathers established this micronation it was with a
>vision of a noble Roman Republic. When I applied for citizenship in this
>republic it was with the same commitment to honor, to defend, and to
>sacrifice to make that vision a reality as I had in days past offered to my
>country. Wherein now, some may ask, lies those noble virtues of moral
>fortitude, the courage of conviction, and the dignity and nobility offered
>unselfishly on behalf of others? I will answer, they are to be found in L.
>Caecilius Metellus Scaevola.
>
> In you alone, in this whole affair, have I found honor, integrity, and
>nobility as virtues worthy to emulate. I honor your name alone, L.
>Caecilius
>Metellus Scaevola, for I am a soldier and I salute the one man I would
>value
>to have call me his friend and comrade.
>

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