Forum Romanum


Subject:	[novaroma] A chat experiment
From:	"pjane@-------- " <pjane@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:24:24 -0000

Thanks to the good offices of Marcus Octavius Germanicus, we now have
an Internet Relay Chat channel available on a private server. This is
now being tested as an experiment to see whether we like it better
than
the current chat room.

If you've never used IRC before, you'll need to download an IRC
"client" (a small program that runs the chat). These are usually
available as shareware (small voluntary fee) and sometimes free.
Check
www.download.com for commonly used alternatives.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla, who's an experienced IRC user, recommends a
program called mIRC for PC users. Many Mac users have a program
called
IRCle, but I'm testing one called Snak and liked it better.

Once you've downloaded and installed the program, read its
documentation for an overview of how IRC works and what you can
expect.
My program also included a helpful section on IRC etiquette.

The server to which you should connect is taverna.novaroma.net - and
if
you need a port number, use 6667 (a fairly standard IRC port). Then
type

/JOIN #NovaRoma
and you should be there!

PLEASE NOTE: This is an experiment, and you should report positive/
negative experiences to me or to the Senate. We may be able to find
ways to make it better. Suggestions welcome.

ALSO: You'll see a participant named "minimus" in the chat room. This
is an automated "bot" that keeps the chat room open. Do NOT say
"Salve!" to it like I did... ;)

Patricia Cassia

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Subject:	[novaroma] an introduction
From:	wicachu@--------
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:13:13 EDT

Greetings and salutations to all -
My apologies that my greeting is not in Latin, but my Latin is so rusty
that I dare not move it, for fear it will fall totally apart. I am Iona
Sententiosa Britaega, Mater to a rag tag band of international misfits worth
more than their weight in gold.
Let me see .. let me see.. what to say about myself? Decisions decisions.
I am a mother , with blood and adopted children. I'm nearly 30 years
old, a college graduate and consequently, dirt poor. I care little for
public life, and tend to be a homebody. My religion means a great deal to
me, and I find it becoming moreso with each passing day. There are those who
would call me wise, sage, things like that. But I must disagree. I just try
to think before I speak, and then, speak softly and sweetly, lest those words
be tomorrows dinner.
As my best friend says, I am not the best person, but I am the best
person I can be. I look forward to getting to know all of NR in time, and
hope to be a good addition to the citizenry .

Iona Sententiosa Britaega

Mamma Brit

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Subject:	[novaroma] Taberna Nova
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 06:43:44 +0200

M. Apollonius Formosanus omnibus Civibus et Senatui Novae
Romae SPD

I am happy to report that the new chatroom functioned
perfectly for me - although one should not type "/#JOIN
NovaRoma", as suggested, or one will create a new and
strange place called #JOIN, where no one else is to be
found. At least that was my experience.

A more successful method is this: on the channels list first
type #NovaRoma and press the add button, then scroll down
and select @NovaRoma from the list, where it will have
appeared, and press the join button. Ecce! The new Taverna.
With Minimus to greet you tacitly.

It is nice enough, although the necessity to open another
programme is a nuisance, and I don't like having the last
letter chopped off my handle so that I become "Formosanu".
(A Latinist might think I had become a Neuter of the Fourth
Declension - and I dread trying a sex change, lest I fall
afoul of the law! :-)

Everyone should note that if you use a client programme like
mIRC, it will automatically produce a cumulative log file if
you wish of everything you and others say while you are
connected. No more need to bother your friendly fellow cives
for Tavern transcripts - unless you happen not to be online
in the Tavern during the interesting moments. I suppose we
should decide whether it is in accordance with the rules of
etiquette or not to provide copies of such log files to
others who were not present at a given time.

I am used to the old Taverna, actually, although I am sure
people could get used to this one too.

Valete!

----------------------------------------------
Marcus Apollonius Formosanus
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae
Triumvir Condens Sodalitatis Latinitatis et Candidatus
Scriba Censorius
Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
ICQ# 61698049
Gens Apollonia: http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/
The Gens Apollonia is open to new members.
AVE RESPVBLICA LIBERA NOSTRA - NOVA ROMA!
________________________________________________________

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[Se vi deziras subigi chion al vi, subigu vin al Racio.]
________________________________________________________

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Questions on holding a Roman gathering
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:39:01 -0400 (EDT)

Salve, Sertorius;

I applaud your excellent idea for a Roman Face to Face. I would not
presume to advise you on your own activity, but perhaps a few comments
about the face-to-face that we planned last year for the Nova Britannia
Provincae might be of assistance:

We set up an agenda of seven items to discuss, only one of which was a
definite requirement having to do with some NR papers;

Introductions all around, and some chatting while everyone got
comfortable. Remember that these are people who are meeting face to
face for the first time and each person in such a situation always goes
through several stages in meeting new people, so we wanted to keep it
light to begin with. Providing the attendees with an agenda list ahead
of time seemed to help a great deal as most tof the attendees had given
some thought to the items and had some ideas to share;

We began about noon and had planned for a pizza meal about two. One of
the attendees had brought some materals to show which was very
interesting. We spent the remainder of the afternoon discussing the
items of the Agenda, and dealing with the NR papers. Our dinner
together was at an Italian Place not far from the meeting room. It was
a liesurely and very enjoyable meal. From there some of the attendees
had to leave for the long drive home;

The next morning we had breakfast together, lost one or two more headed
home, and the remainder lunched at a nearby member's house on home-made
pasta. We found that there was plenty of time to discuss further
get-togethers (we settled on a quarterly schedule, which proved to be a
little ambitious), and I believe came away with a much better
understanding of each other which to me was the most important part.

If you wish to provide something really Roman to eat and drink, I am
sure that Venator can provide you with some very good ideas from his
Sodalitas Files.

Censor Sulla Felix has put together a similar event in California and
may have a different set of ideas.

What we here in Nova Britannia hoped to gain was a better understanding
of each other, a sharing of ideas on a set of fairly common concerns in
NR at that time, that everyone could share in, and a view to what was
acceptable for future get-togethers. It was a relaxed event, everyone
had an opportunty to get his or her ideas across and we all parted
friends to the best of my knowledge. My personal feeling was that I had
made some new friends, we were going to meet again, and I now knew some
Nova Romans much better--In that I found a great satisfaction.

Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

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Subject:	[novaroma] New Citizen with question
From:	reldrak@--------
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:05:09 -0000

Salvete!

I am Marcus Atrius Graecus Claudius. I am 27 and living in California
in the Bay Area. I couldn't believe that there was a cool group like
Nova Roma out there. I was almost thinking about joining the SCA just
to find people with some historical interest but it seems I have
found
the right place. I love history and have always loved Roman
history and recently I have become interested in Greek as well.
I know Latin(basic), Anc. Greek(basic), The barbarian tongue of
the plainspeople;- Russian, The Bavar forest tongue;- German, The
tongue of the land of frosts and winds;- Norwegian, The strange words
of the land beyond the sunrise;- Japanese.
I am on my way to becoming a Druid in the Order of Bards Ovates
nd
Druids, and have been a practicing Pagan for six years now.
I also study Japanese sword martial arts, and want to learn about
Roman fighting. Also I try to fit in time for my career as well!
I wanted to join and become a citizen but I wanted to ask if
there
is any difference in the Gens? The site just goes round and round
showing that people are listed in different provincia, gens,
familia... Should I just make my own with my own interests? Should I
pick one that is just close to me?

I hope to contribute much and I know you will find me easy going and
fun!

Hail to the Glory of Rome!
Marcus Atrius Graecus Claudius

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] an introduction
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 03:39:21 -0500

26 July 2000

Salve

It is always good to have new citizens, and I hope you find what it is that
you seek here in our Republic. I suggest that you continue to ask questions
for there are no wasted questions, the only questions wasted are those that
are not asked. If at all you find your self looking for answers please feel
free to call on me or anyone else in Nova Roma and I am sure you will have
satisfaction.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

----- Original Message -----
From: <wicachu@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 11:13 PM
Subject: [novaroma] an introduction

> Greetings and salutations to all -
> My apologies that my greeting is not in Latin, but my Latin is so
rusty
> that I dare not move it, for fear it will fall totally apart. I am Iona
> Sententiosa Britaega, Mater to a rag tag band of international misfits
worth
> more than their weight in gold.
> Let me see .. let me see.. what to say about myself? Decisions
decisions.
> I am a mother , with blood and adopted children. I'm nearly 30 years
> old, a college graduate and consequently, dirt poor. I care little for
> public life, and tend to be a homebody. My religion means a great deal to
> me, and I find it becoming moreso with each passing day. There are those
who
> would call me wise, sage, things like that. But I must disagree. I just
try
> to think before I speak, and then, speak softly and sweetly, lest those
words
> be tomorrows dinner.
> As my best friend says, I am not the best person, but I am the best
> person I can be. I look forward to getting to know all of NR in time,
and
> hope to be a good addition to the citizenry .
>
> Iona Sententiosa Britaega
>
> Mamma Brit
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Fw: Site recamendation
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:57:43 +0100

Salvete

Does someone want to help?

Valete
Graecus

-----Original Message-----
From: dick breit <breit@-------->
To: info@-------- <info@-------->
Date: Quarta-feira, 26 de Julho de 2000 1:16
Subject: Site recamendation

Hello.
My name is Layne Le Bleu. I am interested in becoming a Legion for reenacting and was wondering if there is a site that I can buy the things I need for living history. Please e-mail me at gladiator4@-------- This one will not be valid.

Thank you,
Layne Le Bleu

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Questions on holding a Roman gathering
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:43:39 -0500

26 July 2000

Salve Consul

I do not mean to bore this list with all this talk of Roman Gatherings, but
I feel that the more we say about face-to-face meetings, the more likely
that this topic will spark the thought in some citizens minds that maybe
they too should organize a small roman gathering of there own. As Senator
Cassius stated:

"... but the more it(Nova Roma) can do outside the Internet the
stronger it will become. People bond best when they get to meet each other
in
person and share their lives outside the computer."

We must try and branch our Micronation, and use as many forms of media as
possible. We do not want to offer, to the general public, a Nova Roman
communications family tree that looks like a broom stick. Nova Roma has good
vertical communications, where else can you talk to a nations leaders, with
all the citizenry listening, by simply sending in an email(as I intend to do
following your advise to ask one of our good Censors, Sulla, about his
gathering in California). What we need to expand is our lateral
communications, thus expanding Nova Roma's foundations. Once I have gathered
all the information I can on putting such an event together, I intend to
post a document to the list on how anyone can put together a small Roman
gathering of their own. I certainly believe that my efforts in this area are
not in vain.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

----- Original Message -----
From: <jmath669642reng@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Questions on holding a Roman gathering

> Salve, Sertorius;
>
> I applaud your excellent idea for a Roman Face to Face. I would not
> presume to advise you on your own activity, but perhaps a few comments
> about the face-to-face that we planned last year for the Nova Britannia
> Provincae might be of assistance:
>
> We set up an agenda of seven items to discuss, only one of which was a
> definite requirement having to do with some NR papers;
>
> Introductions all around, and some chatting while everyone got
> comfortable. Remember that these are people who are meeting face to
> face for the first time and each person in such a situation always goes
> through several stages in meeting new people, so we wanted to keep it
> light to begin with. Providing the attendees with an agenda list ahead
> of time seemed to help a great deal as most tof the attendees had given
> some thought to the items and had some ideas to share;
>
> We began about noon and had planned for a pizza meal about two. One of
> the attendees had brought some materals to show which was very
> interesting. We spent the remainder of the afternoon discussing the
> items of the Agenda, and dealing with the NR papers. Our dinner
> together was at an Italian Place not far from the meeting room. It was
> a liesurely and very enjoyable meal. From there some of the attendees
> had to leave for the long drive home;
>
> The next morning we had breakfast together, lost one or two more headed
> home, and the remainder lunched at a nearby member's house on home-made
> pasta. We found that there was plenty of time to discuss further
> get-togethers (we settled on a quarterly schedule, which proved to be a
> little ambitious), and I believe came away with a much better
> understanding of each other which to me was the most important part.
>
> If you wish to provide something really Roman to eat and drink, I am
> sure that Venator can provide you with some very good ideas from his
> Sodalitas Files.
>
> Censor Sulla Felix has put together a similar event in California and
> may have a different set of ideas.
>
> What we here in Nova Britannia hoped to gain was a better understanding
> of each other, a sharing of ideas on a set of fairly common concerns in
> NR at that time, that everyone could share in, and a view to what was
> acceptable for future get-togethers. It was a relaxed event, everyone
> had an opportunty to get his or her ideas across and we all parted
> friends to the best of my knowledge. My personal feeling was that I had
> made some new friends, we were going to meet again, and I now knew some
> Nova Romans much better--In that I found a great satisfaction.
>
> Vale, Respectfully;
> Marcus Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Fw: Site recamendation
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:54:56 -0500

26 July 2000

Salve

I hate to sound like a broken record but go to Legio XX's website and check
the supplers list and you will what you are looking for.In fact if you check
out the rest of the site you will find all that you will need to know
regarding todays Legios. Simply click on this and observe what Legio's XX
commander "the guru" has compiled:

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/index.html

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

----- Original Message -----
From: "Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 3:57 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Fw: Site recamendation

> Salvete
>
> Does someone want to help?
>
> Valete
> Graecus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dick breit <breit@-------->
> To: info@-------- <info@-------->
> Date: Quarta-feira, 26 de Julho de 2000 1:16
> Subject: Site recamendation
>
>
> Hello.
> My name is Layne Le Bleu. I am interested in becoming a Legion for
reenacting and was wondering if there is a site that I can buy the things I
need for living history. Please e-mail me at gladiator4@-------- This
one will not be valid.
>
> Thank you,
> Layne Le Bleu
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: New Citizen with question
From:	"Gaius Metellus Valentinus" <websurfer07@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:11:19 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, reldrak@e... wrote:
> Salvete!
>
> I am Marcus Atrius Graecus Claudius. I am 27 and living in
California
> in the Bay Area. I couldn't believe that there was a cool group
like
> Nova Roma out there. I was almost thinking about joining the SCA
just
> to find people with some historical interest but it seems I have
> found
> the right place. I love history and have always loved Roman
> history and recently I have become interested in Greek as well.
> I know Latin(basic), Anc. Greek(basic), The barbarian tongue of
> the plainspeople;- Russian, The Bavar forest tongue;- German, The
> tongue of the land of frosts and winds;- Norwegian, The strange
words
> of the land beyond the sunrise;- Japanese.
> I am on my way to becoming a Druid in the Order of Bards Ovates
> nd
> Druids, and have been a practicing Pagan for six years now.
> I also study Japanese sword martial arts, and want to learn
about
> Roman fighting. Also I try to fit in time for my career as well!
> I wanted to join and become a citizen but I wanted to ask if
> there
> is any difference in the Gens? The site just goes round and round
> showing that people are listed in different provincia, gens,
> familia... Should I just make my own with my own interests? Should
I
> pick one that is just close to me?
>
> I hope to contribute much and I know you will find me easy going
and
> fun!
>
> Hail to the Glory of Rome!
> Marcus Atrius Graecus Claudius

Salve,

You choice of nomen aligns you with the gens. Those who share
your gens are your adopted family, so to speak. You can chose a gens
according to your geographic location, or from meeting members who
share your interests etc. It's a personal choice.
Basically, as a citizen we all adopt Latin nomina. If you join an
eexisting gens, you must receive the permission of the paterfamilias
(head of the clan). Once accepted, they are your "adopted" family as
members of the same clan.
You can also establish your own gens, thereby becoming the
paterfamilias of that gens and having authority over members who wish
to join Nova Roma as a part of your clan (through their choice of
nomina).
I think the aim is to establish a sense of unity among the
citizens of Nova Roma. As a member of a particular gens you have an
affinity with its members, and hopefully it will encourage you to
interact with its others.
All the gens are historically based on the original families of
ancient Rome.

Avete, G. Metellus Valentinus

p.s. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Questions on holding a Roman gathering
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:21:00 -0500

28 July 2000

Salve Censor

I understand that you are a very busy man, and I hope I am not troubling you
to much by asking you for advise on holding a Roman Gathering. I do not know
if you have been following this topic or not, but I have been advised to ask
you about the gatherings you have had in your Provincia and if you had
anything to add to this discussion. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] an introduction
From:	LucillaCornelia@--------
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 07:28:04 -0400

Salve bene, Iona Sententiosa Britaega!

A warm and heartfelt welcome to Nova Roma. It is a pleasure to make the acquaintance of a fellow Civis possessed of great dignitas, pietas and modestia. We are richer for your presence.

May you find all that you seek from Nova Roma. And may your time here be pleasant and fortuitous.

Vale bene et bona fortuna semper,

Lucilla Cornelia Aurelia Antonina

novaroma@-------- wrote:
>
> �Greetings and salutations to all -
> � � My apologies that my greeting is not in Latin, but my Latin is so rusty
> that I dare not move it, for fear it will fall totally apart. � I am Iona
> Sententiosa Britaega, Mater to a rag tag band of international misfits worth �
> more than their weight in gold.
> � � Let me see .. let me see.. what to say about myself? Decisions decisions.
> � � I am a mother , with blood and adopted children. �I'm nearly 30 years
> old, a college graduate and consequently, dirt poor. �I care little for
> public life, and tend to be a homebody. �My religion means a great deal to
> me, and I find it becoming moreso with each passing day. There are those who
> would call me wise, sage, things like that. But I must disagree. �I just try
> to think before I speak, and then, speak softly and sweetly, lest those words
> be tomorrows dinner. �
> � � � As my best friend says, I am not the best person, but I am the best
> person I can be. �I look forward to getting to know all �of NR in time, and
> hope to be a good addition to the citizenry .
>
> Iona Sententiosa Britaega
>
> Mamma Brit
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: New Citizen with question
From:	"A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus" <sarmaticus@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:31:44 -0000

A. Artorius Arius Sarmaticus Marco Atrio Graeco Claudio S.P.D.

As you choose your Roman name already it's obvious that you have
chosen to create a new gens in NR, Atria. Beautiful name!;-) Anyway,
you can change it anytime, as your are not yet civis.

Moi tjoplye privetstvija iz varvarskoj strany ravnin - Sarmatii!;-)))
Ty mozhesch' chotat' kirillicu?
�� ?

Vale
-----------------------------------------------------
A Artorius Arius Sarmaticus
Civis et barbarvs Nov� Rom�
Propraetor Sarmati� Provinci�

Libertas inaestimabilis res est

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] New Citizen with question
From:	labienus@--------
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 08:32:31 US/Central

T Labienus M Atrio salutem plurimam dicit

> �� I also study Japanese sword martial arts, and want to learn about

A bit OT, but what do you study? I practise Shishin Kenuchi Ryu jujutsu,
Tomagawa Kaishin Ryu kenjutsu, and Tamiya Ryu iaijutsu.

> �� I wanted to join and become a citizen but I wanted to ask if
> there is any difference in the Gens? The site just goes round and round
> showing that people are listed in different provincia, gens,
> familia... Should I just make my own with my own interests? Should I
> pick one that is just close to me?

Each gens has its own flavor, defined by its gentiles (members). Some are more
tight-knit than others, and each tends to have some area in which it is most
active, such as politics, ancient literature, cooking, etc. I wish that I had
taken more time to get to know the various gentes before I settled upon
creating my own. Having a smaller subset of the population immediately
disposed to being friendly and helping show you the ropes can be very nice,
especially if they share the same interests and are close enough for you to see
in person occasionally.

As has already been pointed out, you've already effectively founded gens Atria
by being the first civis with that name. However, there's nothing to stop you
from being adopted into another gens if you so choose. So, spend some time
meeting people and paying attention to which gens they come from. If you find
one that suits you especially well, think about joining it. If you don't,
you'll at least have gained a good idea of what your fellow citizens are like.

Vale

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Questions on holding a Roman gathering
From:	"C Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:20:51 -0400

Salvete Quinte Sertori et alii

Good for you for undertaking planning of a gathering. You have my best
wishes for a productive day.

Remember too, though, that no meeting is too small to be worthwhile, whether
it's 2 or 20. Marcus Cassius is right, we have to add dimensions to our
community that aren't dependent on Internet channels. I encourage people to
try to get to know their gentiles and sodales better, even if through
sporadic, extremely small-scale meetings.

I also continue to hope that I'll be able to make the Nova Britannia meeting
in October, and wonder whether anyone is still planning on a large gathering
near Hadrian's wall in the next couple of years. Such a trip is becoming
more and more of a longshot for me, but I would still like to try.

Valete

C Marius Merullus

>
>I do not mean to bore this list with all this talk of Roman Gatherings, but
>I feel that the more we say about face-to-face meetings, the more likely
>that this topic will spark the thought in some citizens minds that maybe
>they too should organize a small roman gathering of there own. As Senator
>Cassius stated:
>
>"... but the more it(Nova Roma) can do outside the Internet the
>stronger it will become. People bond best when they get to meet each other
>in
>person and share their lives outside the computer."
>
>We must try and branch our Micronation, and use as many forms of media as
>possible. We do not want to offer, to the general public, a Nova Roman

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: New Citizen with question
From:	"C Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:13:23 -0400

Salvete Gai Metelle et alii

Thank you for that information on Nova Roman gentes. I found all your
points to be really good ones, but there is one detail that I think needs
clarification:

> All the gens are historically based on the original families of
>ancient Rome.

This isn't entirely the case. Some gentes have been established without any
clear relation to any historical gens. As censores, my colleague and I
encourage people to join existing gentes or establish new ones with
historically attested nomina. The process of naturalization into Nova Roma,
however, is such that people come to us with a broad range of perceptions of
ancient Roma, themselves and interrelations between these, as well as
varying needs. As an example, some applicants live remotely in relation to
the larger centers of NR's poplulation; it is widely accepted, and
certainly agreed between us censores, that gentiles should have the option
to group themselves in geographic proximity to make meetings more possible.
And thus the preferences for gens identity of these geograhically remote
applicants carry a lot of weight that has to be balanced against the ideal
of historically accurate names and naming conventions.

Furthermore, the patrician and plebeian orders, though reflected here in
Nova Roma, are fundamentally different and much less significant than their
ancient analogs. For the most part, the patrician gentes are simply those
that were established first, without any consideration of whether similarly
named historic gentes were plebeian or patrician. The vast majority of
gentes, patrician and plebeian, continue to accept new gentiles, such that
Nova Roma has "new patricians" all the time.

So, review of the album gentium reveals gentes that aren't based on any
original families.

>Avete, G. Metellus Valentinus
>
>p.s. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong.
>
>
Valete

C Marius Merullus
Censor Suffectus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Costume page
From:	"pjane@-------- " <pjane@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:32:26 -0000

The Imperium Ancient Arts page advertising our Roman men's costume
provider has been revised and a new product (red tunics) added, with
fresh pictures of all products.

Check out http://www.imperiumarts.com/toga/

Patricia Cassia

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Subject:	[novaroma] Nuntium censoriale de ordine equestre
From:	"C Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:01:49 -0400

Avete Omnes

It is with great pleasure that I announce that Patricia Cassia has been
accepted into the Ordo Equester. Patricia Cassia is in the business of
making bumper stickers with Nova Roma-related images and text, and will be
allowing a generous portion of sales on these to the NR treasury. I ask for
the blessing of this venture.

By copy of this announcement, I ask Curator Araneae A Gryllus Graecus to
assist Patricia Cassia in putting a url, product descriptions et cetera up
on the NR site.

Magno cum gaudio vos certiores facio de ascitu Patriciae Cassiae in ordinem
equestrem Patricia Cassia versatur insigniis faciendis cum textis
sigillisque novoromanis pro carris et partem generosam emptionum aerario
dabit Adiuvet Mercurius ut hoc negotium fructum optimam habeat

Exemplare huius nuntii rogo Curatorem Araneae A Cryllum Craecum Patriciae
Cassiae adesse ut inscriptio interretialis et descriptiones et alia de huius
artificiis in novoromanum situm interretialem imponantur

Vivat Roma
Vivat Nova Roma

C Marius Merullus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Plebian Gens Promotion - Gens Annaea
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:46:20 -0700

Ave Omnes

It is my pleasure to announce that we have a new Patrician Gens amongst
our ranks. The Gens Annaea will be promoted from its current status as
a Plebian Gen to a Patrician on. The reason C. Marius Merullus and I
decided were: The Pater has been a member of Nova Roma since July
1998. Also, a member of that Gens ran for officie during the last
election. Finally, numerous times, members in that Gens have contacted
us regarding promoting them from a Plebian status to a Patrician
status. After consultation between my colleague and myself, we decided
that this should be corrected. Please welcome them to ranks of
Patrician Nova Romans.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Old Latin Book
From:	"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 22:45:31 +0100

Waes thu hael, mi Venatore!

> Have just received the book from my mom (she cooks for her parish priest
and he was cleaning out the
> rectory library, I also received a copy of the Latin Mass, if anyone is
intereted in a
> transcript...)

The Latin (Tridentine) Missal is a nice thing to have, IMO, for anyone who
loves the language. I have one myself, as well as a book of Hours. They're
becoming quite hard to find, these days. Both are of limited use to a pagan
Roman reconstructionist ritualist of the 'cut and paste' school (like me),
as the Latin is a later variant of that used in surviving pagan texts (I
should say 'those used in pagan texts', as Cato's prayers of c. 200 BCE are
noticeably very different in form and style from those written by Ausonius
in c. 350 CE - just like the English of the Prayer Book of Edward IV
differs significantly from whatever the Episcopalians are currently using.

Another problem with any Latin Christian prayers is that the mode of address
to divinity is somewhat different: "Lex orendi, lex credendi" (i.e., the
form of prayer indicates the form of belief, and vice versa). You can
negotiate with a Roman god; you have to ask the Christian God very, VERY
nicely. (I'm not saying that some pagan Romani don't express a perpetually
grateful humility to the gods, accompanied by a permanent sense of personal
shortcoming: indeed, I think a lot more of us would if we only prayed to
Iuppiter Optimus Maximus all the time). Nor do I mean to say that some
Christians don't try and negotiate with their God. What I'm trying to say
is that the two approaches are typically different. I've tried both, and I
know both work in their own peculiar context.

One occasion on which I did find the Roman Missal of great value in my
current spiritual endeavours, however, was when an archaeologist friend
asked Aletheia and I to bury some human remains that some disrespectful
ghoul posing as an academic had lifted from a Roman cemetery at Carthage, of
uncertain date. The University of Southampton's Department of Archaeology
was having a clear-out, and our friend quite rightly wanted us, as the only
Romani he knew, to lay them to rest. Not being sure whether the bones had
belonged to a pagan or to a Christian, we buried him with Latin rites for
both.

> "Guide to Latin Conversation" by "A Father of the Society of Jesus", Prof.
Stephen W. Wilby -
> Translator. It was published in 1892 by the John Murphy Company of
Baltimore, Maryland (USA).
>
> I have a copy of the first edition, it appears. It is physically a small
book, only 9 cm by 13 and
> 2.5 thick. It is complete, except the front flyleaf and Table of
Contents, at 513 pages including
> index (though several pages are blank, a printer's error).
>
> Anyone familiar with this book? Is a "Church Latin" text of use in
learning the Classic, Elder
> Tongue?

Now this I would like to see, if its subjects are secular. After all, as E.
M.Forster said, "The past is a foreign country", to which all of us as
visitors could use a good phrase book. Beard's 'Lingua Latina ad Multas
Occasionibus' just doesn't have the phrases I need, for one. It's more of
the "my postilion has been struck by lightning" variety. I assume there's a
parallel English text, Veni?

Failing that - Formosane, how about writing one for us? Te precor dulcissime
supplex?

Vado.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Questions on holding a Roman gathering
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:47:41 -0500

26 July 2000

Salve

Below is a poet that was sent to me from Senator Cassius concerning the
Roman Gathering topic. I hope this topic helps anyother possible get
together.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

----- Original Message -----
From: <Cassius622@-------->
To: <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Roman Gathering

> In a message dated 7/24/00 9:03:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> quintus-sertorius@-------- writes:
>
> <<
> Thank you for the opportunity I now have of being advised by a Senator no
> less.
>
> Cassius:
> Lol! As if that could make a difference. However, I *have* been to a few
> Roman gatherings, including a Provincia gathering here in Nova Britannia,
so
> passing on some of the stuff that's gone well or not so well might be
useful!
>
> >I have 13 adults, not including their children, that have said they are
> interested in attending this event. If all show up I estimate that there
will
> be 25+ persons(if all show!).
>
> Cassius:
> It's likely you'll get some cancellations. It happens with almost every
kind
> of event. Don't be disappointed if the turnout ends up being low... if
people
> have fun you'll do much better the second time from word of mouth
> endorsement!
>
>
> > I have not asked all the people I attend to ask yet, nor have I opened
this
> the general public, yet(this I will do for the next time).
>
> Cassius:
> You *might* benefit from having a couple of "in crowd" meetings first, and
> let people get comfortable with one another before inviting the public.
That
> way you don't have to deal with everyone being strangers all at the same
> time! Of course it'll be your own call depending on how the first evening
> goes. If it's a huge success, why not?
>
> > I want to make this event and all future ones a family affair, not
pushing
> anyone to fast, yet I do not want to have anyone loss sight of the fact
that
> we are here to spread Roman virtues. As far as an agenda for the event(I
want
> to start in the afternoon), I felt that we should get every one together
> first for light beverages and conversation(around 2P.M.). Then I will have
> everyone seated for the meal(around 3P.M.) which will have at least some
> Roman period fair(I do not know what to do for food and drink).
>
> Cassius:
> The person to speak to about Roman food is Merlinia Ambrosia from the Mid
> Atlantic Provincia. She made great Roman food at Roman Days! Unfortunately
I
> don't know her email address. You might start a thread about "What Roman
food
> should I serve?" on the main list, or simply post a request for her to
> contact you. (Her email is listed as "private" on the Album Gentium.
>
> The Roman food I've seen has been pretty basic. Fruit, cheese, bread and
eggs
> for snacks. Variations of the same as appetizers before the the meal along
> with a green salad. There are usually one or two main course choices
> containing meat, if a starch is served it's usually some sort of cheese
> polenta and bread. The non-alcoholic beverage is often Pasca (one part red
> grape juice, three parts water, and a tiny bit of red wine vinegar to
taste)
> and the alcoholic beverage is of course wine! Dessert is usually pastry
with
> honey, nuts & fruit.
>
> <At this time I will begin the explanation as to what I would like to see
in
> the future(during this short speech everyone will be eating). After the
meal
> I want to make a presentation that I am working on for approaching various
> institutions about our Republic, don't worry it will not be boring. I have
> been told that my public speaking is strong(I was a drill sergeant, but I
> won't scream at them!).
>
> Cassius:
> I'm sure you'll do a fine job! Again, the only real worry you might have
is
> spouses who aren't really into the Roman stuff themselves, but are
indulging
> their partners for an evening. We had four folks like that at our last
> Provincia gathering, and it was a challenge to make sure they had other
stuff
> to do, yet were still welcome as part of the group. The Tabula set we had
was
> a life saver... the women went and were able to talk and play the game,
while
> the guys did "NR meeting". It's difficult when one spouse is into Roman
> stuff and the other bored to tears by it. You're almost guaranteed to lose
> both in such a case. :P
>
>
> > To close off the night I want to have everyone sit and discuss what ever
> they want. Before the end of the night I will ask about the next
gathering(by
> this time I should have gauged the group as to the possible frequency of
> future gatherings). Throughout this whole event I hope to insert as much
> Romanism as possible. this will be the first of what I hope will be
regular
> gatherings that will spread the word of our Republic. I would like to know
> what your thoughts are on this matter.
>
> Cassius:
> My *guess* would be that the afternoon pre-meal conversation will range
far
> afield from Roman topics. People will want to know what the others do for
> work, and all the usual interpersonal stuff. It's great to get all that
kind
> of thing over and done with early on. Your talk should be as brief as you
can
> possibly make it... if it were me I'd hold it to under 15 minutes if at
all
> possible. The "Roman" talk after that should still be fairly informal.
That
> might be a good time to discover how everyone got into the Roman stuff,
what
> they're looking for, etc. Don't forget those "left out" spouses! Finding
out
> how they cope with their partner's "Roman Addiction" can be a fun process!
;)
>
> Anway, hope this was of some help. Juggling an event like this can be
> interesting. Too much laxity can mean losing the Roman topic of the
> evening... too much focus on Roman stuff can seem too controlling and ruin
> the good humor of the evening. The host gets to monitor the flow of
> conversation as smoothly as possible, and if talk gets too far afield
> intdroducing a new Roman topic, usually in the form of a question to
someone
> present, can be helpful. Remember, it's better for folks to have fun at
this
> crucial first event than all the Roman topics you've hoped for get
covered!!
> If folks have had a good time there will be other opportunities to focus
on
> more "business"... if folks feel they went to a board meeting rather than
a
> party you won't get a second chance.
>
> Oh! If you need some NR stuff for the event, I do have fliers, and of
course
> the bumper stickers and flags. Having a few material objects around might
be
> helpful...
>
> Vale,
>
> Cassius

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Old Latin Book
From:	"Chad Kieffer" <ckieffe@-------->
Date:	Wed, 26 Jul 2000 17:56:22 -0500

Salvete!
On the subject of Latin Mass, for anyone learning
Medieval/Ecclesiastical Latin, here is a handy page -- Interlinear
Latin/English Tridentine Mass:
http://www.netaxs.com/~rmk/Latin/mass.html

Valete!
C Cordius Symmachus

----- Original Message -----
From: Nick Ford <gens_moravia@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Old Latin Book

> Waes thu hael, mi Venatore!
>
> > Have just received the book from my mom (she cooks for her parish priest
> and he was cleaning out the
> > rectory library, I also received a copy of the Latin Mass, if anyone is
> intereted in a
> > transcript...)
>
> The Latin (Tridentine) Missal is a nice thing to have, IMO, for anyone who
> loves the language. I have one myself, as well as a book of Hours. They're
> becoming quite hard to find, these days. Both are of limited use to a
pagan
> Roman reconstructionist ritualist of the 'cut and paste' school (like me),
> as the Latin is a later variant of that used in surviving pagan texts (I
> should say 'those used in pagan texts', as Cato's prayers of c. 200 BCE
are
> noticeably very different in form and style from those written by Ausonius
> in c. 350 CE - just like the English of the Prayer Book of Edward IV
> differs significantly from whatever the Episcopalians are currently using.
>
> Another problem with any Latin Christian prayers is that the mode of
address
> to divinity is somewhat different: "Lex orendi, lex credendi" (i.e., the
> form of prayer indicates the form of belief, and vice versa). You can
> negotiate with a Roman god; you have to ask the Christian God very, VERY
> nicely. (I'm not saying that some pagan Romani don't express a perpetually
> grateful humility to the gods, accompanied by a permanent sense of
personal
> shortcoming: indeed, I think a lot more of us would if we only prayed to
> Iuppiter Optimus Maximus all the time). Nor do I mean to say that some
> Christians don't try and negotiate with their God. What I'm trying to say
> is that the two approaches are typically different. I've tried both, and I
> know both work in their own peculiar context.
>
> One occasion on which I did find the Roman Missal of great value in my
> current spiritual endeavours, however, was when an archaeologist friend
> asked Aletheia and I to bury some human remains that some disrespectful
> ghoul posing as an academic had lifted from a Roman cemetery at Carthage,
of
> uncertain date. The University of Southampton's Department of Archaeology
> was having a clear-out, and our friend quite rightly wanted us, as the
only
> Romani he knew, to lay them to rest. Not being sure whether the bones had
> belonged to a pagan or to a Christian, we buried him with Latin rites for
> both.
>
> > "Guide to Latin Conversation" by "A Father of the Society of Jesus",
Prof.
> Stephen W. Wilby -
> > Translator. It was published in 1892 by the John Murphy Company of
> Baltimore, Maryland (USA).
> >
> > I have a copy of the first edition, it appears. It is physically a
small
> book, only 9 cm by 13 and
> > 2.5 thick. It is complete, except the front flyleaf and Table of
> Contents, at 513 pages including
> > index (though several pages are blank, a printer's error).
> >
> > Anyone familiar with this book? Is a "Church Latin" text of use in
> learning the Classic, Elder
> > Tongue?
>
> Now this I would like to see, if its subjects are secular. After all, as
E.
> M.Forster said, "The past is a foreign country", to which all of us as
> visitors could use a good phrase book. Beard's 'Lingua Latina ad Multas
> Occasionibus' just doesn't have the phrases I need, for one. It's more of
> the "my postilion has been struck by lightning" variety. I assume there's
a
> parallel English text, Veni?
>
> Failing that - Formosane, how about writing one for us? Te precor
dulcissime
> supplex?
>
> Vado.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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