Subject:	Re: [novaroma] floorplans, pictures, etc. of Roman Houses
From:	<gmvick32@-------->
Date:	Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:57:51 -0600

Salve, Aurelius!


http://www.best.com/~swanson/rome/eg_rome_intro.html has a lot of links to
roman art and architecture archives, but you have to scroll to find it. Other
interesting stuff also. Note that some of the more promising links are broken.

You might also try the following books from amazon.com:

1. Houses, Villas, and Palaces in the Roman World
by Alexander Gordon McKay $16.95 ISBN: 0801859042


2. Roman Forts in Britain (Shire Archaeology ; 37) by David J. Breeze, $10.50
ISBN: 0852636547

Vale,

L.Cornelia Aurelia


Aurelius Tiberius wrote:

> Salve,
>
> If anyone out there has some good sites, photos,etc. of roman house plans
> etc. please post them or let me know. Legio VI is in the process of
> undertaking a project here in the North East to reconstruct a 2nd Century
> Fortress with an ajoining "locals" Village. we have the property now and We
> are hoping this will become one of the premiere sites at which Roman era
> recreationists can come and play. We are also going to construct a portion
> of Hadrian's Wall to give the place some more flavor.
>
> So send any info you might have and if you are independently wealthy please
> feel free to contact me to make a donation to our little project.
>
> Vale
>
> Aurelius Tiberius Ronanus
> Praefectus Legionis & Tribuni Militum,
> Legio VI of the Northern Army
> & Cornicularius,Sodalitas Militarium et Nova Roma
>
> "Nos Sumus Romae milites, parati stamus ad potestatem et gloriam eius. Roma
> est Lux."
> "we are soldiers of Rome, for her might and glory we stand ready... She is
> the Light"
>
> www.geocities.com/legio_vi
>
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] floorplans, pictures, etc. of Roman Houses
From:	<gmvick32@-------->
Date:	Thu, 27 Jul 2000 23:29:29 -0600

Salve, Aurelius:

More sites to check out:
http://myron.sjsu.edu/romeweb/ENGINEER/contents.htm

There is a list of web sites related to Roman construction and engineering at:
http://www.unc.edu/courses/rometech/public/links/links_const.html

You might also want to try to find a copy of:

Macaulay, David City: A Story of Roman Planning and Engineering Boston:
Houghton-Mifflin, 1974. ISBN 0395349222
Synopsis:
How the Ancient Romans extensively planned and built their cities. Readers will
learn how a city's population and size were determined prior to construction and
how streets, sidewalks, roads, bridges, and sewer systems were designed.
Illustrated with detailed b&w drawings.
First Line:
By 200 B.C. soldiers of the Roman Republic had conquered all of Italy except the
Alps. In the following three hundred years they created an empire extending from
Spain to the Persian Gulf. To insure their hold over these lands they Roman
Soldiers built permanent military camps. As the need for military forces
lessened, many camps became important cities for the Roman Empire.




Aurelius Tiberius wrote:

> Salve,
>
> If anyone out there has some good sites, photos,etc. of roman house plans
> etc. please post them or let me know. Legio VI is in the process of
> undertaking a project here in the North East to reconstruct a 2nd Century
> Fortress with an ajoining "locals" Village. we have the property now and We
> are hoping this will become one of the premiere sites at which Roman era
> recreationists can come and play. We are also going to construct a portion
> of Hadrian's Wall to give the place some more flavor.
>
> So send any info you might have and if you are independently wealthy please
> feel free to contact me to make a donation to our little project.
>
> Vale
>
> Aurelius Tiberius Ronanus
> Praefectus Legionis & Tribuni Militum,
> Legio VI of the Northern Army
> & Cornicularius,Sodalitas Militarium et Nova Roma
>
> "Nos Sumus Romae milites, parati stamus ad potestatem et gloriam eius. Roma
> est Lux."
> "we are soldiers of Rome, for her might and glory we stand ready... She is
> the Light"
>
> www.geocities.com/legio_vi
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>


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Subject:	[novaroma] Roman Military Salute
From:	"Nicolaus Moravius" <n_moravius@-------->
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:02:31 GMT

Quiritibus salutem

A question for our military historians:

Was there ever really such a thing as a Roman military salute?

I am about to reply to a fellow-pagan contributor to 'Pagan Dawn', the
quarterly magazine of the Pagan Federation, who has cheerfuly stated,
without giving any sources, that 'the Roman Army salute' derives from
Mithraic ritual.

Could it be something like the salute used in the Royal Navy, used to shield
one's eyes from the dazzling radiance of the gold leaf on the caps of senior
officers?

Before I put him and his readers right about a number of other things (like
Mithraism having been 'the last pagan official religion in Europe')(!) does
anyone have some hard facts about saluting in the Roman army/navy?

Avete

Vado.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Military Salute
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:00:49 +0100

Salve Moravi

>Was there ever really such a thing as a Roman military salute?
There was. Both for cavalry (raised right hand as found in statues of
Emperors) and infantry (right hand raised to the forehead similar to modern
salute).

>>I am about to reply to a fellow-pagan contributor to 'Pagan Dawn', the
>quarterly magazine of the Pagan Federation, who has cheerfuly stated,
>without giving any sources, that 'the Roman Army salute' derives from
>Mithraic ritual.
This is unlikely.

>Could it be something like the salute used in the Royal Navy, used to
shield
>one's eyes from the dazzling radiance of the gold leaf on the caps of
senior
>officers?
>From your description this seems similar to the infantry salute.

>Before I put him and his readers right about a number of other things (like
>Mithraism having been 'the last pagan official religion in Europe')(!) does
>anyone have some hard facts about saluting in the Roman army/navy?
Mithraism (at least its Mystery form) was not the last pagan official
religion in Europe. The last roman pagan state cult was that of Sol Invictus
introduced by Emperor Aurelianus in 274 AD. That was the God of
Diocletianus, and even Constantinus and later Iulianus. Sol Invictus was
nevertheless identified with Mithras and we find several references to Sol
Invictus Mithras as the God of late Roman Emperors though in fact this is
referring to the public Sol Invictus (of Aurelianus) and not to the Persian
Mysteries which were in decay (of number of worshipers) by this time.

Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus


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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Latin Herbals
From:	Piscinus@--------
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:46:10 EDT

Gn. Moravius Piscinus Ionae Sententiosae Britaegae et Titianae Sententiosae
Britaegae S.P.D.

Scripsit:
What I would like to find is a herbal, in Latin. Preferably one of
historic nature.

During the Classical period the most important herbals would have been
that of Dioscorides and, later, that of Galen, both written in Greek.
For a Latin text, perhaps the best known and most readily available is
that of Pliny's "Natural History." You may find that online: <A
HREF="http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/Pli
ny_the_Elder/home.html">LacusCurtius • Pliny the Elder's Natural History</A>
Pliny based his work on that of others, and very indiscriminately. You need
to evaluate everything he says against modern herbals, and need an edition
that is well annotated to be certain which herbs he refers to. Loeb Classics
has a three volume set by Rackham and Warmington still available through
Amazon.com. (I use an edition from my library's archives that dates from the
1850's)
Less well known Latin herbals would be those of Scribonius Largus (c.47
ce), Quintus Serenus (c.212 ce), Marcellus Empiricus (c. 385 ce), Theodorus
Priscianus (Late 4th century) and the Ex Herbis Feminis by Pseudo-Dioscorides
(6th century).
Other sources on herbs, from which to glean isolated information, would
be Cato's De Agricula, Vergil's Georgics and Eclogues, and the works of Ovid.
Herbals were not particularly in wide use during the Classical period,
but did come into use later. A somewhat widely copied Medieval text was the
almost useless Herbarium of Apuleius Platonicus, written in the 4th century
and based on Greek texts. The most influential and widely read herbal of the
period, however, would have been the Latin poem De Virtutibus Herbarum,
written in the latter half of the 11th century. It is attributed to Macer
and describes the medicinal properties of 71 herbs. Its likely author was
Marbode, Bishop of Rennes (1035-1125) who also wrote a Latin poem on the
medicinal use of stones. I have not looked yet, but there should still be a
copy of De Virtutibus Herbarum in Latin available.
The renewed interest in Hildegarde of Bingen (1098-1117) has brought out
several books on or by her. I have not seen her Latin herbal "Physica" or De
Simplicis Medicinae which used Latinized German names for her herbs. Then
too there was Trotula, the female physician of Salerno. In the late 11th
through the 12th centuries Salerno became the leading medical center of
Western Europe, and a leading center for the translation of Arabic texts into
Latin. One product of this activity was the Tacuinum Sanitatis after Ibn
Botlan. Several versions exist. The Italian edition of Luisa Cogliati
Arano's Tacuinum Sanitatis was translated into English: The Medieval Health
handbook, Tacuinum Sanitatis, L.C. Arano, NY:1976. ISBN 0-8076-1277-4
From the Renaissance period into the 17th century there were several
Latin herbals written, several of historical import. Alpini's De Plantis
Aegypti (1592) with the first report to the West of coffee. Clusius'
abridgment and Latin translation of the Coloquios (1567) was the first text
in the West on the herbs of India. And the now mostly lost work of Fransisco
Hernandez on the medicinal herbs of Mexico, published in 1615 after his
death. There may be found today the works of Marsilio Ficino. Originally
written in Latin, these are today available in Italian editions, and there is
a rather poor English translation of his De Vita Triplici. A Latin edition
of this work would prove most useful in detailing some of the information he
offers on the more esoteric subjects.
I myself have an interest in growing, foraging and using herbs.
Collecting and exchanging information is only part of the pleasure. If you
have any more specific questions you may contact me directly.

S.V.B.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Military Salute
From:	Marcus Papirius Justus <papirius@-------->
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:56:12 -0600

I've been trying to figure this one out for years; near as I can tell,
there is no such thing as a Roman military salute, but it's one of those
'trying to prove a negative' things. I think the thing you usually see in
movies (thumping the chest then a fascist salute type thing) is a thing
created by Hollywood based on numerous depictions of emperors in the
allocutio pose (i.e. about to address the troops), but I have found no
reference to anything that we would call a 'salute'. I'll happily be
disabused of this idea if someone can point me to a source for it ...

mpj



At 10:02 AM 7/28/00 +0000, you wrote:
>Quiritibus salutem
>
>A question for our military historians:
>
>Was there ever really such a thing as a Roman military salute?
>
>I am about to reply to a fellow-pagan contributor to 'Pagan Dawn', the
>quarterly magazine of the Pagan Federation, who has cheerfuly stated,
>without giving any sources, that 'the Roman Army salute' derives from
>Mithraic ritual.
>
>Could it be something like the salute used in the Royal Navy, used to shield
>one's eyes from the dazzling radiance of the gold leaf on the caps of senior
>officers?
>
>Before I put him and his readers right about a number of other things (like
>Mithraism having been 'the last pagan official religion in Europe')(!) does
>anyone have some hard facts about saluting in the Roman army/navy?
>
>Avete
>
>Vado.
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
>


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Subject:	[novaroma] Morning Chat
From:	Piscinus@--------
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:41:41 -0000

Salve Attili Regule

Sorry I missed our morning chat but it seems the old chatroom has
been disbanded without links set up to any new one. Patricia Cassia
did mention an *experimental* chatroom without saying where to find
it!

Vale
Piscinus




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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Military Salute
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:53:03 +0100

Salve Marce Papiri Iuste

>I've been trying to figure this one out for years; near as I can tell,
>there is no such thing as a Roman military salute, but it's one of those
>'trying to prove a negative' things. I think the thing you usually see in
>movies (thumping the chest then a fascist salute type thing) is a thing
>created by Hollywood based on numerous depictions of emperors in the
>allocutio pose (i.e. about to address the troops), but I have found no
>reference to anything that we would call a 'salute'. I'll happily be
>disabused of this idea if someone can point me to a source for it ...
I got my info from the books of Osprey Man-at-Arms series. I think that the
main source for salutes they provide is iconographic. Anyway, salutation
poses must be very common as they clearly state the existence of the salute
and the difference between infantry and cavalry salute. Maybe the main
sources come from tombs of soldiers or ex-soldiers.

Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Morning Chat
From:	Megas-Robinson <amgunn@-------->
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:09:59 -0500

Ave Piscinius et Salvete Omnes,

Venator scripsit:

Piscinus@-------- wrote:
>
> Salve Attili Regule
>
> Sorry I missed our morning chat but it seems the old chatroom has
> been disbanded without links set up to any new one. Patricia Cassia
> did mention an *experimental* chatroom without saying where to find
> it!
>
> Vale
> Piscinus
>

I should like to remind and inform one and all that once you are subscribed to this mailing list, you are also signed up
or eGroups and the services available at the Nova Roma group pages therein. This includes not only the file function I
and others have used, but a chatroom as well. go to:
http://www.egroups.com/group/novaroma

and click on the chat link located along the left side of the screen. This is (I think) a Java based chat, but it seems
to load pretty well, doesn't constantly refresh itself like BeSeen. Once in the chatroom there is a list of everyone in
the room along the right side of the screen. There is no "lurking" function, but there is a "private message" send
button. BeSeen did have a better selection of emotion expression though. Also on the right side is a list of all the
eGroups to which one is subscribed, with a button to change chatrooms within eGroups.

Perhaps, with some usage, we have a new Taverna already!?

In Amicus - Venii

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Morning Chat
From:	Megas-Robinson <amgunn@-------->
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 08:13:54 -0500

Salvete Omnes,

Venator rescripsit:

One bit of information I forgot. The eGroups chat identifies you by the information before the @ in the e-mail address
used to subscribe. So, in the chatroom I would be ID'd as amgunn, not Venator. So, no "handles" like BeSeen, nor
passwords.

In Amicus - Venii

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Morning Chat
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:21:29 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Piscini,

> Sorry I missed our morning chat but it seems the old chatroom has
> been disbanded without links set up to any new one.

I'm not sure why you douldn't get into it; it's still accessible now,
there was a conversation there within the last few hours, and all of the
links to it from www.novaroma.org (old server and new) point to the
login page. Perhaps beseen.com was having trouble when you tried earlier?

> Patricia Cassia did mention an *experimental* chatroom without
> saying where to find it!

It is an IRC server. To use it, you need to download an irc client, of
which there are many -- go to mirc.com (Windows), bitchx.org (Unix/Linux),
macirc.com (Mac) or macirc.com. Once you have the client, tell it to
connect to the server "irc.novaroma.net" (".net" not ".org"). If you
get a connection, join channel #NovaRoma ("/join #NovaRoma").

Livia Cornelia is also working on finding a Java client that could
connect to an IRC server.

Vale, Octavius.


--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curule Aedile, Nova Roma
Microsoft delenda est!
http://www.graveyards.com/


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Morning Chat
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:51:32 -0500 (CDT)

Octavius wrote:

> why you douldn't get into it;

I suppose that word could be considered a portmanteau of "didn't" or
"couldn't", either of which is appropriate for what I meant. Actually,
it was a typo caused by insufficient levels of caffeine in my
brain-fluid. That situation is rapidly being rectified.

Vale, Octavius the dull-witted.


--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curule Aedile, Nova Roma
Microsoft delenda est!
http://www.graveyards.com/


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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Military Salute
From:	Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@-------->
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:06:38 +0200

Salvete, N. Moravius Vado, A. Gryllus Graecus, M. Papirius Iustus et Alii,

I fully agree to Graecus´ statement regarding the infantry and cavalry versions
of the military salute. I think he uses the Praetorians´ volume of the Men at
Arms books, were both salutes are depicted.
M. Junkelmann mentions in his book "Die Legionen des Augustus", that the
military salute was depicted on several illustrations. One of that is the "altar
of Domitius Ahenobarbus" from the mars field in rome. This relief shows a
soldier making the salute by bringing his hand to the rim of his helmet.

Avete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus

Nicolaus Moravius schrieb:

> Quiritibus salutem
>
> A question for our military historians:
>
> Was there ever really such a thing as a Roman military salute?
>
> I am about to reply to a fellow-pagan contributor to 'Pagan Dawn', the
> quarterly magazine of the Pagan Federation, who has cheerfuly stated,
> without giving any sources, that 'the Roman Army salute' derives from
> Mithraic ritual.
>
> Could it be something like the salute used in the Royal Navy, used to shield
> one's eyes from the dazzling radiance of the gold leaf on the caps of senior
> officers?
>
> Before I put him and his readers right about a number of other things (like
> Mithraism having been 'the last pagan official religion in Europe')(!) does
> anyone have some hard facts about saluting in the Roman army/navy?
>
> Avete
>
> Vado.
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>


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Subject:	[novaroma] Subject: Re: floorplans, pictures, etc. of Roman Houses
From:	"Lucius" <vergil@-------->
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:50:33 -0400

Lucius Equitius Quiritibus SPD

Houses and Society in Pompeii and Herculaneum by Andrew Wallace-Hadrill
ISBN 0-691-02909-1
$18.36 @ Amazon
$20.95 @ Barnes and Noble

The Houses of Roman Italy 100 B.C.-A.D. 250 : Ritual, Space, and Decoration by John R. Clarke
ISBN: 0520084292
$34.95 @ Amazon
$34.95 @ B&N

Bonam Fortuman Valeteque

Message: 17
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:57:51 -0600
From: <gmvick32@-------->
Subject: Re: floorplans, pictures, etc. of Roman Houses

Salve, Aurelius!


http://www.best.com/~swanson/rome/eg_rome_intro.html has a lot of links to
roman art and architecture archives, but you have to scroll to find it. Other
interesting stuff also. Note that some of the more promising links are broken.

You might also try the following books from amazon.com:

1. Houses, Villas, and Palaces in the Roman World
by Alexander Gordon McKay $16.95 ISBN: 0801859042


2. Roman Forts in Britain (Shire Archaeology ; 37) by David J. Breeze, $10.50
ISBN: 0852636547

Vale,

L.Cornelia Aurelia





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Subject:	[novaroma] Senate convened
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:32:57 EDT

Salvete Omnes

The senior Consul, Q. Fabius Maximus, has called the Senate to convene
tomorrow morning, with the agenda to be posted at that time.

L. Sergius Australicus Obstinatus
Tribunus Plebis

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Website transition.
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 17:48:14 +0100

Salvete

I want to advise that I will be out until Monday. Please send me email if
you register any problems.

Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Curator Araneae


-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
To: senate@-------- <senate@-------->
Date: Sexta-feira, 28 de Julho de 2000 17:41
Subject: Website transition.


>
>M. Octavius Germanicus Patris Conscriptis S.P.D.,
>
>Yesterday, Network Solutions processed the domain modification request
>for NovaRoma.org that had been sent in by Flavius Vedius Germanicus
>the day before. Early this morning, with the reload of the root
>nameservers, it took effect.
>
>At the moment, there are two "www.novaroma.org" servers. A person who
>attempts to view the site may see either the old or the new server,
>depending on how long the information has been in his local ISP's
>nameserver cache. As time goes by, more of the old nameserver records
>will expire, and in about 24 hours everyone will be using the new
>server, a Sparcstation 20 in Chicago. It will be safe to discontinue
>the InterLand hosting arrangement on Monday.
>
>All mail to any "@--------" address passes through the same machine,
>where I have recreated all the aliases and mailing lists that were on
>the old server (using a list provided by Senator A. Gryllus). Much like
>the web site address change, it will be about a day before this takes
>effect everywhere.
>
>I performed a final load of the Censors' database last night. The basic
>editing tools are functional, and I'll be adding some more features this
>weekend.
>
>The new citizen application can be viewed as:
> http://www.novaroma.net/bin/apply
>(using novaroma.net instead of novaroma.org guarantees you'll get the
>right server.)
>
>The application writes directly to the citizen database, in addition to
>sending mail to the Censors with all relevant information. To approve a
>new citizen, the Censors need only go to the editing tool (conveniently
>linked to from their mail notification), assign province and gens,
>and change the "Status" field from "Prospective" to "Active". This
>will cause the new citizen to appear in the Album Civium and Album
>Gentium. Additionally, the new citizen could automatically be sent
>mail advising them of their approval, and inviting them to the mailing
>list - I can add this feature as soon as I receive some appropriate
>text.
>
>Yesterday I added to the Album Civium display of Priest titles
>on the main page, and display of instant message system userids on the
>individual profile pages.
>
>Tomorrow I will improve the loading time of the Alba, and continue to
>add capability to the editing tools. The next major feature will be
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Military Salute
From:	Marcus Papirius Justus <papirius@-------->
Date:	Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:11:55 -0600

Salvete,

I'm glad someone brought the altar up ... if you've never seen it, there's
an okay (not great) image of it from the Louvre at:

http://www.louvre.fr/img/photos/collec/ager/grande/ma0975.jpg

another image at:

http://classics.furman.edu/~rprior/imgs/RP/rp-223.htm

If you look at it, it would appear the soldier is saluting; I'm sure it
would especially look like that if someone looked just at the soldier. But
one *has* to ask, who is he supposed to be saluting? The only reason this
is interpreted as a salute is because that's what a salute looks like in
*our* culture. In the context of the altar, the gesture might simply mean
the sun is rising or it might even mean the guy's simply adjusting his
helmet. I'd be interested in knowing other supposed illustrations of this
'salute' (I'm nowhere near J. right now).

Has anyone ever seen an image where a *group* of soldiers are
simultaneously making the gesture towards an obvious commanding officer?

dm

At 05:06 PM 7/28/00 +0200, you wrote:
>Salvete, N. Moravius Vado, A. Gryllus Graecus, M. Papirius Iustus et Alii,
>
>I fully agree to Graecus´ statement regarding the infantry and cavalry
>versions
>of the military salute. I think he uses the Praetorians´ volume of the Men at
>Arms books, were both salutes are depicted.
>M. Junkelmann mentions in his book "Die Legionen des Augustus", that the
>military salute was depicted on several illustrations. One of that is the
>"altar
>of Domitius Ahenobarbus" from the mars field in rome. This relief shows a
>soldier making the salute by bringing his hand to the rim of his helmet.
>
>Avete
>Caius Flavius Diocletianus
>
>Nicolaus Moravius schrieb:
>
> > Quiritibus salutem
> >
> > A question for our military historians:
> >
> > Was there ever really such a thing as a Roman military salute?
> >
> > I am about to reply to a fellow-pagan contributor to 'Pagan Dawn', the
> > quarterly magazine of the Pagan Federation, who has cheerfuly stated,
> > without giving any sources, that 'the Roman Army salute' derives from
> > Mithraic ritual.
> >
> > Could it be something like the salute used in the Royal Navy, used to
> shield
> > one's eyes from the dazzling radiance of the gold leaf on the caps of
> senior
> > officers?
> >
> > Before I put him and his readers right about a number of other things (like
> > Mithraism having been 'the last pagan official religion in Europe')(!) does
> > anyone have some hard facts about saluting in the Roman army/navy?
> >
> > Avete
> >
> > Vado.
> >
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