Subject:	[novaroma] In the latest Explorator
From:	Marcus Papirius Justus <papirius@-------->
Date:	Sun, 30 Jul 2000 07:32:49 -0600

Items of interest from my newsletter:

There was plenty of attention given to the discovery of an apparent source
(as claimed by ancient authors) for the oracle of Delphi's trances:

http://www.nationalpost.com/search/story.html?f=/stories/20000725/353020.html
http://www.ngnews.com/news/2000/07/07262000/oracle_2873.asp
http://www7.mercurycenter.com:80/premium/scitech/docs/delphi25.htm
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_19101.html

The Telegraph has a feature on the excavations of Commodus' villa, complete
with 'home amphitheatre' of course (watch the wrap):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000405944438668&rtmo=LlbLhL7d&atmo=HHHHHH8L&pg=/et/00/7/24/wrom24.html

Also on the gladiatorial front, the Telegraph also reports on how the movie
*Gladiator* has renewed interest in gladiatorial training in Italy:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000405944438668&rtmo=qXuqRbK9&atmo=99999999&pg=/et/00/7/28/wglad28.html

A Kent archaeologist's life-long efforts to find the lost Roman town of
Noviomagus appears to have borne fruit (watch the wrap):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk:80/et?ac=000140326706927&rtmo=fqafMNqs&atmo=fqafMNqs&pg=/et/00/7/30/narch30.html

Science Daily reports on the discovery of another submerged very early
church in the excavations at Aperlae:

http://www.sciencedaily.com:80/releases/2000/07/000727080709.htm
Search Cool Links

The BBC has a report on the discovery of an Iron Age fort in Wales:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/wales/newsid_856000/856505.stm

CLASSICISTS' CORNER


The NEH's magazine has an interesting article on the connection between
poverty and a classical education (and no, it has nothing to do with being
a grad student or a professor 8^)):

http://www.neh.gov/publications/humanities/2000-05/clemente.html

The Pope greeted assorted groups in appropriate languages the other day:

http://www.ewtn.com/vnews/getstory.asp?number=5394

FOLLOWUPS

Here's one I missed: a Time Magazine piece on what's going on at Herakleion
(a month late):

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/articles/0,3266,47115,00.html

On tragedies at the Colosseum:

http://www.smh.com.au:80/news/0007/24/text/features5.html

On Zeugma:

http://www.hri.org/news/turkey/anadolu/2000/00-07-28.anadolu.html#09
http://library.northernlight.com/FA20000723670000017.html?cb=0&dx=1006&sc=0#doc

On Stanford's efforts to reassemble the Forma Urbis:

http://www.discoveringarchaeology.com/articles/072600-rome.shtml

EXHIBITIONS

CNN has a nice feature on the "Drink and Be Merry" Wine and Beer in Ancient
Times" exhibit at the Israel Museum in Jerusalem:

http://www.cnn.com/2000/FOOD/news/07/28/ancient.drinkers.ap/index.html

Subject:	[novaroma] All I Did was go on vacation...
From:	merlinia@--------
Date:	Sun, 30 Jul 2000 17:56:37 -0000

Salvete, Omes. Merlinia Ambrosia Artori sends Greetings to All

I've been in Britian since the 13th. Everyone should go there.
anyway, I see there are people interested in becomming the Other
rogator.
Great!
Let me say, I can count, but there is a muckin' huge File and
Program to wrestle with. I did the last, small election by hand,
and the 2 of us double-checked our results,(that's why there are
two of us).
So, may I say, that having done a small election, the Office
needs, as well as general counting skills, someone who knows their
way around a computer. M. Octavius Germanicus would be, in my
estimation, an excelent choice.
I hope we all have a plesant and peaceful summer, aside from those
off to the Pennsic Wars.

Vale
-Merlinia Ambrosia Artori,Materfamilis,Rogatore,et Cook.




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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] All I Did was go on vacation...
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:18:01 -0500 (CDT)

Salve Merlinia Ambrosia,

> So, may I say, that having done a small election, the Office
> needs, as well as general counting skills, someone who knows their
> way around a computer. M. Octavius Germanicus would be, in my
> estimation, an excelent choice.

Thanks, but there are sufficient legal difficulties which disqualify
me from serving in that capacity. What I was proposing was the complete
automation of the voting and results-counting process, but in the interest
of ensuring that there is not even a hint of impropriety, it's best to
keep doing it the old way.

Vale, Octavius.

---
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curule Aedile, Nova Roma
Microsoft delenda est!
http://www.graveyards.com/


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Subject:	[novaroma] Albertus Magnus Opera Omnia Nunc in Lucem
From:	alpinto@--------
Date:	Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:36:04 -0000

Web & Library Link: Albertus Magnus (First English Translation Call):
Ark of the Covenant's
Sacred Guardian For Noetic Faith & Science After 700 Years...

Opus Doctorum Foundation is celebrating the Great Jubilee with a
call for Latin scholars to translate Saint Albert's Complete Works
into English for the first time ever. See News Brief below for
details.

UPPER DARBY, PENNSYLVANIA, (ZENIT.org) The 18,000 page, 2.6
gigabyte
omni-scienced corpus (complete works) of Albert the Great, patron of
scientists, have now been digitized and made available on CD-ROM. The
electronic edition provides the omni-scienced Latin texts as they
appear in the earliest known complete edition of Albert Magnus, that
of 1641 in Lyon, France. The CD is available from Albertus Magnus CD
Publishers, c/o Albert Pinto, 7166 Marshall Rd. First Fl. Rear -
Upper
Darby, PA 19082 U.S.A.

Albertus Magnus Project - Jubilee Call!

For Latinists interested in translating sublime
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Roman Military Salute
From:	"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@-------->
Date:	Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:44:46 +0100

Multas gratias tibi ago, mi Cai Diocletiane!

Vado.

----- Original Message -----
From: Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Roman Military Salute


> Caius Flavius Diocletianus Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> N. Novarius, I have access to drawings from Traians´column. They are
depicted in
> Y. Le Bohecs book "Die römische Armee" (german issue, you see).
>
> I found two pictures showing soldiers making the cavalry´s salute: Scene
LVII
> and scene LXIII. They are raising the right hand.
>
> In this book there is also a photo from a statue of a miles legionis, now
in the
> Strassbourg Museum. It shows the soldier laying his right hand to the rim
of his
> helmet. It´s interpreted by Le Bohec as saluting soldier. Dr. Boris
Rankov,
> author of the Praetorians volume of Men at Arms Elite, writes to Plate I
> (praetorian infantry) " The centurion gives his commander the infantry
salute,
> raising the right hand to the helmet, palm inwards: This is shown on a
number of
> reliefs, including the funerary monument of Flavius Mikkalus recently
> unearthened in Turkey".
>
> To Plate G (Equites Singulares Augusti) he writes: "A trooper of the
emperors
> horse guards ... reports his decurion ... . The trooper greets his officer
with
> the cavalry salute of the extended right arm".
>
> I´m sorry, N. Moravius, I have no access to the primary and secondary
sources
> listed in this MAA book. I also have not all my books available at this
moment,
> but I promise you a further look into my library.
>
> Hope, I could help.
>
> Valete
> Caius Flavius Diocletianus
>
> Nick Ford schrieb:
>
> > Salutem
> >
> > My grateful thanks to A. Gryllus Graecus, M. Papirius Iustus and C.
Flavius
> > Diocletianus
> > for their erudite replies to my enquiry. At the risk of boring everyone
by
> > saying yet again what I've said more than once before, the sheer amount
of
> > specialist knowledge a citizen can call upon in Nova Roma, at the touch
of a
> > 'send' button, is awesome, and I think this is both one of our greatest
> > assets and our greatest credit in the eyes of the outside world.
> >
> > I am very glad to learn from a knowledgeable and devout devotee of the
Lord
> > Mithras (Graecus, naturaliter) that he thinks a Mithraic ritual
derivation
> > of a Roman military salute to be unlikely; and the relatively early
> > (Augustan) date of the Ahenobarban altar seems to confirm this -
although I
> > believe the cult was introduced to Rome by Cilician prisoners taken by
> > Pompeius Magnus in 68 BCE. But that's assuming that the soldier shown IS
> > actually saluting.
> >
> > Diocletianus' sources I will have to check for myself, unless, mi Cai
Flavi,
> > you would be kind enough to look up any ancient sources cited in the
books
> > for the illustrations you mentioned?
> >
> > And I agree with Iustus' critical reservations about what the military
> > figure is actually doing with his right hand raised to the crown of his
> > helmet. All the central figures on the altar appear to be sacrificing in
the
> > direction in which the viewer is standing: towards, as it were, the cult
> > image of the god. It is therefore perfectly possible that our man with
the
> > scutum is making a gesture of 'adoratio' (kissing the fingertips of the
> > right hand, then raising the hand upwards and outwards, then
downwards).
> >
> > Perhaps again, the Roman military salute (IF it existed in a form
similar to
> > the modern military salute) derived from the 'adoratio' in a truncated
> > form - though I admit, I can't imagine a legionary blowing his centurion
a
> > kiss!
> >
> > And then again, as Diocletianus points out, there is more than one
salute in
> > anybody's army: if you are holding a weapon, you salute with the weapon,
> > usually by presenting it in a forward, frontal position and raising it
> > towards the head (cf. the salute modern fencers employ with their foils
on
> > the piste).
> >
> > Also, the Ahenobarban altar shows (as far as I can see) at least three
other
> > figures in Army kit who are NOT 'saluting', and the 'saluting' soldier
is
> > not facing any of them, but in the direction in which the sacrifice is
> > oriented.
> >
> > I echo the request for any primary visual evidence of a group of
soldiers
> > ostensibly making a ritual gesture of deference toward an obvious
superior.
> > Does anyone have access to complete pictures of Traian's Column? That
might
> > be a good place to start looking.
> >
> > Bene valete,
> >
> > N. Moravius Vado.
> >
> > >If you look at it, it would appear the soldier is saluting; I'm sure it
> > >would especially look like that if someone looked just at the soldier.
But
> > >one *has* to ask, who is he supposed to be saluting? The only reason
this
> > >is interpreted as a salute is because that's what a salute looks like
in
> > >*our* culture. In the context of the altar, the gesture might simply
mean
> > >the sun is rising or it might even mean the guy's simply adjusting his
> > >helmet. I'd be interested in knowing other supposed illustrations of
this
> > >'salute' (I'm nowhere near J. right now).
> > >
> > >Has anyone ever seen an image where a *group* of soldiers are
> > >simultaneously making the gesture towards an obvious commanding
officer?
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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