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Subject:	[novaroma] Plays and capitals
From:	"pjane@-------- " <pjane@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:19:15 -0000

Patricia Cassia Novaromani SPD

Salvete!

Thank you for all the information on Roman plays - this will be great
if we can pull it off!

In one sense, Audens is utterly right about Rome being our capital.
But
in another sense, let me offer one or two thoughts: The capital is a
busy place, packed with people, not all of whom are nice or sane all
the time. The capital is a place you go to sell your goods or conduct
political affairs or find others of like mind with whom to converse.
Even if you go away for a while, you usually find yourself coming
back.

So I would lightheartedly suggest that our capital is this list!

P.Cassia


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Nova Roma capital
From:	Iulia66198@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:46:22 EDT

Salvete omnes

Like Marcus Audens, I, too, must say I have always considered Rome to be the
capital for NR; not just the physical manifestation of the city, ancient or
modern, but something transcending the physical. To identify with Rome
means, I think, to feel an affinity for a way of life, to entertain a certain
philosophy of life, even when our individual backgrounds and religious
leanings might be as varied as the sands of the sea.

I'm probably not saying this very well, but there it is, lol.

Bene valete,
Iulia Cassia - who is looking forward to her first visit to Rome next year ;)


Subject:	[novaroma] Tragedy and Triumph
From:	"Flavius Vedius Germanicus" <germanicus@-------->
Date:	Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:18:20 -0400

Salvete omnes;

In purely personal news, I would like to report that my wife and myself are
fine after the recent floods in our town. If you've seen the news,
Byram/Stanhope has suffered greatly in the recent unpleasant weather, and
I'm pleased to say that although we were evacuated on Monday night, we are
back in our home this Tuesday (albeit against the better judgement of the
police, and after signing a waiver). Apparently there is a dam that might or
might not fail; we plan to face either possibility in our own home, rather
than seeing it happen from afar. So far, our home is without damage, and it
seems a remote possibility, given how far the Mighty Musconetcong rose
during the height of the storm; nowhere near our house. The threat to
property or life seems minimal to us at this stage.

I would also like to announce at this time that my wife is with child, and
we are expecting a bouncing baby next April. Perhaps I should now alter the
statement that gens Vedia isn't accepting new members!

To those that offered their well-wishes regarding our well being during the
flooding, I issue my most profound thanks. They were well taken. I always
thought of Nova Roma as an assembly of friends first and foremost.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus

Senator, Proconsul Media Atlantica, Augur, Co-Founder, Paterfamilias, and
former-more-titles-than-I care-to-count, but now most importantly,
father-to-be


Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Nova Roma capital
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:48:33 EDT

On 8/15/00 11:03 AM c.p. (c_pontius@--------) wrote:

>
>.
>.
>... For who would annihilate a peaceful people who only wish to live
>as they choose.
>.
>.
>.
>
Haven't read much of human history, have you? We've annihilated quite a
number of peaceful peoples who only wished to live as they chose. We
still are -- heard of Bosnia? Kosovo? The Kurdish people of Turkey and
Iraq? Rwanda? Angola? Ethiopia? Rhodesia? Somalia? Kampuchea? The Branch
Davidians at Waco?

I'm sorry but being peaceful, inoffensive, and just wanting to live as
they choose has never protected anyone anywhere.

Sorry, but sometimes it's necessary to take a dose of reality.

L. Sergius Aust. Obst.

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Nova Roma capital
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 15 Aug 2000 19:13:51 -0700

Ave,

Personally I haven't annaliated anyone. So, you take me out of the we. :)

SF

LSergAust@-------- wrote:

> On 8/15/00 11:03 AM c.p. (c_pontius@--------) wrote:
>
> >
> >.
> >.
> >... For who would annihilate a peaceful people who only wish to live
> >as they choose.
> >.
> >.
> >.
> >
> Haven't read much of human history, have you? We've annihilated quite a
> number of peaceful peoples who only wished to live as they chose. We
> still are -- heard of Bosnia? Kosovo? The Kurdish people of Turkey and
> Iraq? Rwanda? Angola? Ethiopia? Rhodesia? Somalia? Kampuchea? The Branch
> Davidians at Waco?
>
> I'm sorry but being peaceful, inoffensive, and just wanting to live as
> they choose has never protected anyone anywhere.
>
> Sorry, but sometimes it's necessary to take a dose of reality.
>
> L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
>
> certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
>
> (You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Nova Roma capital
From:	"Les Peterson" <procopious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 15 Aug 2000 22:29:40 -0700

Salvete,
I hope you all will allow me to slide a bit of an introduction in with a few
thoughts about the Nova Roman capitol. I am a brand new citizen. My
knowledge of ancient Rome is scant but growing. I've decided to return to
school to obtain a classics degree.My decision to worship as the Romans did
is a recent one but it is one which has been well thought out. After
spending two years in a training coven I've spent five more to realize this
is my path. I sincerely believe in the Gods of Rome. Through their
nurturance Rome was one of the greatest (ok, the greatest, but lets not be
arrogant) civilizations ever. If we are faithful they will restore the
nation. Have we offered vows and asked for land to be given, and then
written to charitable organizations for donations? Just one thought on how
we could achieve the dream of a capitol. Funds could be used to purchase
lands in Rome ( the city) or in Italy in general. Lawyers could be retained,
we could create a legal church (anyone know if that's possible in Italian
law?) to be the legal owner of the land.... Maybe one way to start.
I apologize for the length of my post, I'm just glad to have found a place
where I don't feel like a complete lunatic sharing these thoughts.
Salvete
Lucius Mauricius Procopious

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Nova Roma capital
From:	"Stephen Phenow" <q_fabius_max@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:39:28 PDT

>That is an interesting thought. I cannot be as sure as the Senior
>Censor is, of course, as he has much more experience in Nova Roma than I,
>but in listening to the citizens of Nova Roma and thier views and
>discussions, I would have to say that the closest that we come in Nova Roma
>to a nexus of our thoughts and efforts is Rome herself.>
Salvete
I believe our capital is this whole web online experience.
Italian Roma while beautiful, is only ours through spiritual connection, as
if we were on a distant world and we are harking back to a beloved memory.
As I once told a propraetor, as long as I'm in front of the keyboard writing
on screen Roman business, either with the People or Senate of Rome, I'm in
Rome. When I'm away from keyboard traveling to Roman functions in
California, I'm in the province as guest of the proconsul. This useful
fiction helps me stay grounded both as a Roman magistrate in Rome and a
magistrate outside of her.
Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus
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Subject:	[novaroma] Capitol Citizenship and stuff
From:	Patrick Conlon <cptnapalm@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 02:53:59 -0500

Avete

I'm not a citizen yet, thought the Paterfamilas of the gens Maximia has
agreed to accept me into his family. I just thought I would post
something :)

As far as a capitol goes, probably won't happen anytime soon. What
*could* be done is to get together with some other Roman groups and set
up a temp-town at an SCA event or something. I'm not entirely sure what
would be involved, aside from getting an agreement with the event's
autocrat, but it would be a way to get some experience in actually
running something more localized than say... the internet ;) Of course,
there would need to be a civil law and courts and such... Would be
interesting at least :)

Just out of curiosity, about how long does it take to become a citizen
after applying with the permission of the Paterfamilas? Again, just
curious.

Other stuff... well I suppose there isn't any :)

Patrick Conlon
(soon to be (hopefully)) Caius Maximius Crinitus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Capitol Citizenship and stuff
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:26:17 -0700

Patrick Conlon wrote:

> Avete
>
> I'm not a citizen yet, thought the Paterfamilas of the gens Maximia has
> agreed to accept me into his family. I just thought I would post
> something :)
>
> As far as a capitol goes, probably won't happen anytime soon. What
> *could* be done is to get together with some other Roman groups and set
> up a temp-town at an SCA event or something. I'm not entirely sure what
> would be involved, aside from getting an agreement with the event's
> autocrat, but it would be a way to get some experience in actually
> running something more localized than say... the internet ;) Of course,
> there would need to be a civil law and courts and such... Would be
> interesting at least :)
>
> Just out of curiosity, about how long does it take to become a citizen
> after applying with the permission of the Paterfamilas? Again, just
> curious.
>

We, the Censors need to get an email from the Paterfamilias saying he has
accepted you. Once we get that, I can get the email out to you as citizen
within less than 15 minutes. Unless if I am at work! :)

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

>
> Other stuff... well I suppose there isn't any :)
>
> Patrick Conlon
> (soon to be (hopefully)) Caius Maximius Crinitus
>
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Bacchus
From:	"j.mason4" <j.mason4@-------->
Date:	Tue, 15 Aug 2000 23:07:39 +0100

Salvete, I would like to see a return to the Bacchanalian feast.

Any thoughts, ?

Structor ( capitis dolor )

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma capital
From:	"pjane@-------- " <pjane@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:00:31 -0000

Welcome Lucius Mauricius Procopious!

While your idea of a church is an interesting one, Nova Roma is open
to
people of all faiths, not just the Religio Romana. Our Citizens
include
Christians, members of non-Roman Pagan faiths, and others who have
either chosen not to reveal their faith or don't follow any faith
closely. All of these have been valued additions to our group and I
believe such a step could only have the effect of alienating them.

Please don't let me discourage you from providing ideas, however! We
need people with ideas, energy and knowledge, and we are pleased to
have you with us.

You (and others interested in Roman Pagan religion) may wish to join
the Religio Romana list, where believers and students of this faith
engage in more detailed discussions that combine scholarship and
inspiration. To subscribe, send a blank e-mail to religioromana-
subscribe@--------

Patricia Cassia

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Subject:	[novaroma] Nova Roma Capital
From:	"Richard Janos" <richjanos@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 13:09:53 GMT

Salve,
As a soon to be member I'd like to enter my feelings on the concept of a
Nova Roma Capital. First let me state that it's really a pleasure reading
ALL the different issues that are discussed in this forum, and hope to
become more involved.
Now, On to my thoughts, Rome the eternal city, I consider the center of the
Roman way, as was state before, would be were the beginning is placed. BUT,
A new Rome is not to far off to think of, maybe an island in the
Medaturannien Sea. Where guests and citizens are transported from the main
land to the island by galley. Where citizens could volunteer their time in
exchange for room and board, or where retired citizens can live and work,
helping with tourist trade, Government, and other services.
This of course is a project that would take time and money, as all things
do.
But to have a Rome Nuovo, were one could use as a starting point to make a
pilgrimage to the sites of the Empire throughout the Mediterranean would be
glorious.

Vale

richj

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Tragedy and Triumph
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:55:12 EDT

In a message dated 8/15/00 8:28:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
germanicus@-------- writes:

<< In purely personal news, I would like to report that my wife and myself are
fine after the recent floods in our town. If you've seen the news,
Byram/Stanhope has suffered greatly in the recent unpleasant weather, and
I'm pleased to say that although we were evacuated on Monday night, we are
back in our home this Tuesday (albeit against the better judgement of the
police, and after signing a waiver). Apparently there is a dam that might or
might not fail; we plan to face either possibility in our own home, rather
than seeing it happen from afar.

Cassius:
A little over a year ago there was a semiserious discussion on the list about
the possibility of building one of the smaller types of Roman ship. Rather a
pity there wasn't a way to go ahead with such a project... an oared wooden
ship pulling it's way through the middle of a flooded city to rescue a
Senatorial family would *definitely* have made the news! ;)

> So far, our home is without damage, and it
seems a remote possibility, given how far the Mighty Musconetcong rose
during the height of the storm; nowhere near our house. The threat to
property or life seems minimal to us at this stage.

Cassius:
Glad to hear that you both, and your house, are safe! Might be a good time to
start thinking about flood insurance if you don't already have it...

>I would also like to announce at this time that my wife is with child, and
we are expecting a bouncing baby next April. Perhaps I should now alter the
statement that gens Vedia isn't accepting new members!

Cassius:
Congratulations to both of you!! :) If Gens Vedia isn't accepting new
members, you could always just adopt the child out to another gens in
exchange for a few thousand sestertii. (Just kidding!) Er, you will give the
baby at least a Roman middle name, won't you?

>To those that offered their well-wishes regarding our well being during the
flooding, I issue my most profound thanks. They were well taken. I always
thought of Nova Roma as an assembly of friends first and foremost.

Cassius:
Again, it's great to hear that you folks are safe. Flooding is nothing to kid
around about... if I remember correctly floods are by statistics the most
dangerous natural phenomenon on earth. You obviously chose a good location
for a home if you managed to avoid damage when nearby properties suffered.
Might not be a bad thing to make an offering of thanks to the Nymphs or
spirits of the Musconetcong!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

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Subject:	[novaroma] A Question...
From:	"Nicole Gilmore" <TrekGirl_97@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:06:43 -0000

Hi!

Does anyone know what part of speech the following words are?

diu
manentes

They way I'm looking at them they just don't seem to be fitting. I'm
reviewing for school, and any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

Nicole

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Tragedy and Triumph
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:26:38 -0400 (EDT)

Salve; Senator Germanicus;

I wish to add my congratulations to those of my Nova Roma
fellow-citizens on your safety and your coming blessing. My family was
involved in the great Columbia River Flood inthe 1950's in Oregon, and
while the Muskekong is not the Columbia, I have often been atounded a
the rise of water even in the most innocuous of streams under the right
conditions.

The San Diego River in California is usually 18 inches wide, but I have
seen photographs of a "hundred year flood" where it expanded to a width
of 1/2 mile!!!

I have had you in my prayers this last several days, and I am so
relieved and happy that you have come through it all unscathed.

My best felicitations to both you and your lovely wife on your coming
child. May the child be healthy and happy and grow to strength and
usefullness in the manner of his / her most excellent parents.

Vale, Very Respectfully;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] A Question...
From:	Marcus Papirius Justus <papirius@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:37:50 -0600

At Wednesday 8/16/00 02:06 PM +0000, you wrote:
>Does anyone know what part of speech the following words are?
>
>diu

adverb meaning 'for a long time'

>manentes

nom. or acc. plural participle of manere ... "those remaining"

mpj

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: A Question...
From:	"Nicole Gilmore" <TrekGirl_97@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:37:03 -0000

Thanks, that helps a bunch.

Nicole

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Subject:	[novaroma] Tragedy and Triumph
From:	"Pompeia Cornelia" <scriba_forum@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:57:19 GMT

Salve Germanicus:

I am happy that you and your family have managed to escape injury and
property damage due to the flooding.

My congratulations to both you and your wife regarding your expected child.

I will pray for good health and good fortune for you and your family.

Bene vale,
Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma capital
From:	"Les Peterson" <procopious@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:54:41 -0700

Actually, I had thought of my fellow citizens who do not follow the Religio
Romana, and had the same concern you voiced. However, my conclusion was that
our "forefathers" provided a solution for this problem. If I'm not mistaken,
foreign cults were tolerated and could even gain official status. I
suggested forming a church for possible benefits under Italian law. For
instance, in my country of origin (US) churches are tax exempt and have
revenue building opportunities secular businesses don't (BINGO!). A church
can also be inclusive rather than exclusive, like the Unitarian Universalist
church. If you're not familiar with that organization they aid their
membership in whatever form of spirituality the member chooses, while the
clergy is schooled in ( I believe 7 ) the major religions on the planet.
I'm not defending my church idea, I only meant it as one example of how to
get the job done. My point was, as I've said before, "If we dream alone it's
just a dream, If we dream together it's reality". I choose to place my trust
in my Gods and maybe even yours or whoevers. That is where I think my
nations founding fathers went wrong. Religious exclusion, rather than
inclusion.
I really meant the point of my first post to be " We can achieve anything if
we shoot for a common goal, nothing if we resign ourselves to defeat and
think the task to large."
Thanks for listening to me ramble.
Lucius Mauricius Procopious
----- Original Message -----
From: <pjane@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 5:00 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Nova Roma capital

> Welcome Lucius Mauricius Procopious!
>
> While your idea of a church is an interesting one, Nova Roma is open
> to
> people of all faiths, not just the Religio Romana. Our Citizens
> include
> Christians, members of non-Roman Pagan faiths, and others who have
> either chosen not to reveal their faith or don't follow any faith
> closely. All of these have been valued additions to our group and I
> believe such a step could only have the effect of alienating them.
>
> Please don't let me discourage you from providing ideas, however! We
> need people with ideas, energy and knowledge, and we are pleased to
> have you with us.
>
> You (and others interested in Roman Pagan religion) may wish to join
> the Religio Romana list, where believers and students of this faith
> engage in more detailed discussions that combine scholarship and
> inspiration. To subscribe, send a blank e-mail to religioromana-
> subscribe@--------
>
> Patricia Cassia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Nova Roma capital
From:	LSergAust@--------
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 12:31:58 EDT

Salve,

I recognize that, Lucius Cornelius. I haven't either (lately) except if
you consider our involuntary complicity in some actions of our
"democratic" macronational government.

The "we" in my statement was meant to refer to "we humans." The tendency
to wipe out anyone who lives differently seems to be a universal
characteristic of our race throughout all ages and practically all
cultures.

All the more reason for us to work at getting along. :-)

One of the most attractive virtues of Roma Antiqua (IMHO) was her degree
of tolerance of others' differences.

Vale,

L. Sergius Aust. Obst.

On 8/15/00 9:13 PM Lucius Cornelius Sulla (alexious@--------) wrote:

>Ave,
>
>Personally I haven't annaliated anyone. So, you take me out of the we. :)
>
>SF
>
>LSergAust@-------- wrote:
>
>> On 8/15/00 11:03 AM c.p. (c_pontius@--------) wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >.
>> >.
>> >... For who would annihilate a peaceful people who only wish to live
>> >as they choose.
>> >.
>> >.
>> >.
>> >
>> Haven't read much of human history, have you? We've annihilated quite a
>> number of peaceful peoples who only wished to live as they chose. We
>> still are -- heard of Bosnia? Kosovo? The Kurdish people of Turkey and
>> Iraq? Rwanda? Angola? Ethiopia? Rhodesia? Somalia? Kampuchea? The Branch
>> Davidians at Waco?
>>
>> I'm sorry but being peaceful, inoffensive, and just wanting to live as
>> they choose has never protected anyone anywhere.
>>
>> Sorry, but sometimes it's necessary to take a dose of reality.
>>
>> L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
>>
>> certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
>>
>> (You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.

(You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Nova Roma capital
From:	"Gaius Metellus Valentinus" <websurfer07@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:46:11 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, LSergAust@a... wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I recognize that, Lucius Cornelius. I haven't either (lately)
except if
> you consider our involuntary complicity in some actions of our
> "democratic" macronational government.
>
> The "we" in my statement was meant to refer to "we humans." The
tendency
> to wipe out anyone who lives differently seems to be a universal
> characteristic of our race throughout all ages and practically all
> cultures.
>
> All the more reason for us to work at getting along. :-)
>
> One of the most attractive virtues of Roma Antiqua (IMHO) was her
degree
> of tolerance of others' differences.
>
> Vale,
>
> L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
>
> On 8/15/00 9:13 PM Lucius Corn--------s Sulla (al--------us@--------) wrot--------font>
>
> >Ave,
> >
> >Personally I haven't annaliated anyone. So, you take me out of
the we. :)
> >
> >SF
> >
> >LSergAust@-------- wrote:
> >
> >> On 8/15/00 11:03 AM c.p. (c_ponti--------...) wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >.
> >> >.
> >> >... For who would annihilate a peaceful people who only wish
to live
> >> >as they choose.
> >> >.
> >> >.
> >> >.
> >> >
> >> Haven't read much of human history, have you? We've annihilated
quite a
> >> number of peaceful peoples who only wished to live as they
chose. We
> >> still are -- heard of Bosnia? Kosovo? The Kurdish people of
Turkey and
> >> Iraq? Rwanda? Angola? Ethiopia? Rhodesia? Somalia? Kampuchea?
The Branch
> >> Davidians at Waco?
> >>
> >> I'm sorry but being peaceful, inoffensive, and just wanting to
live as
> >> they choose has never protected anyone anywhere.
> >>
> >> Sorry, but sometimes it's necessary to take a dose of reality.
> >>
> >> L. Sergius Aust. Obst.
> >>
> >> certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
> >>
> >> (You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)
>
>
> certe, Toto, sentio nos in Kansate non iam adesse.
>
> (You know, Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.)

Salve Luci Corneli,

The nay sayers would try and argue that Roma Antiqua's
downfall was partly due to it's attempt at inclusiveness. It's like
the argument used by many fascist and racist fringe groups: Diversity
breeds instability.
I personally don't believe this. I'm just bringing it up to
demonstrate how Roma's inclusiveness could be used against it, or
used to justify it's shortcomings.
Very interesting topic.

Ave, G. Metellus Valentinus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re:Nova Roma Capital
From:	"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:40:22 +0100

EX DOMO FLAMENIS FLORALIS

Greetings, friends and fellow-citizens, and especially to L. Mauricius Procopius:

Welcome to Nova Roma, Luci Maurici, and good fortune with your return to further education to study for a Classics degree. Bene factum est! (I did the same).

Since you've shared your thoughts with us, I'd like to offer mine. My impression is that the gods of Rome are interested in NR only to the extent that we promise a tangible restoration of the pax deorum. For my part, I have offered a vow for a real temple to Flora. If it pleases her to grant it, and it should happen to be in Britannia (where I live), just as the current Flamen Floralis is a semi-barbarian Brit. whose Latin leaves much to be desired, it is evidently the best that can be done at the time. Presumably the gods are constrained to make the best of whatever is available, as we are.

Now if other citizens (and gods) are doing similar things (and, in a sense, every hearth where Vesta is honoured, for example, is where something of Rome is), we are going to get, in the first instance, a global scattering of small and humble beginnings, corresponding roughly to the distribution of our citizens. These would be, as it were, the first few drops of condensation from the virtual realms of thought and idea (in which NR of necessity mostly exists at present, of course), down into the realm of matter.

What we have to do is work in accordance with the principles of natural law. The first Rome (which, like everything else does, started as an idea) expanded from a primary nucleus to cover almost the entirety of the known world, but the folk who first came to settle on and around the seven hills worked from the centre outwards; we are working from the outward edges of Rome's global influence, back to the source, the centre. They started from where they were: so must we.

Let me offer a specific example: when I had the honour to become the Flamen Floralis, I did a ritual of self-dedication to Flora and her previous flamines, at my lararium.

My present resources are humble: I felt I had to apologise for that, to the good goddess and my august predecessors. It was communicated to me (or I may have thought of it myself - I find it hard to know which sometimes, when praying and pausing for responses) that the once-magnificent public cult of Flora, which had enjoyed massive support from both state and people, declined through the gradual withdrawal of that support, so that the last flamen before me, found himself at the end celebrating alone in his private lararium. As this is where it ended, so this was evidently where it must begin from again. We can only get to somewhere else from where we are now.

So, Luci Maurici, friends and fellow-citizens, if we each in our own way, working from wherever we are and with whatever we have, look after the fragments of Romanitas that are entrusted to us, then in time our Rome, our capital, will look after itself. All the roads we take will lead us there one day - with the goodwill of the gods, and in their own good time. When Aeneas fled Ilium, I reckon he didn't have a clue where he was going: his primary concern was to keep life in the fire he took with him, wherever he was.

Bene revenite in pace deorum,

N. Moravius Vado
Flamen Floralis.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Cats Forum
From:	"j.mason4" <j.mason4@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 08:07:58 +0100

Salve,

Anyone who has had the honour to visit the old sites of Rome, will know of the feral feline nation that now occupies the old Forum.
I have no doubt that the little furry nation has its own pecking order, with the fiercest occupant sitting at the helm.( cat-ligula )

~~Structor~~

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Tragedy and Triumph
From:	"Little Dragon" <fionaerin@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:29:54 -0000

---Salve Germanicus,

I'm sorry to hear about the flooding in your town, but I offer
congrats to your and wife on the expected little one.

Vale
Aeternia

In novaroma@--------, "Flavius Vedius Germanicus"
<germa--------s@--------> wrote:
> Salvete omnes;
>
> In purely personal news, I would like to report that my wife and
myself are
> fine after the recent floods in our town. If you've seen the news,
> Byram/Stanhope has suffered greatly in the recent unpleasant
weather, and
> I'm pleased to say that although we were evacuated on Monday night,
we are
> back in our home this Tuesday (albeit against the better judgement
of the
> police, and after signing a waiver). Apparently there is a dam that
might or
> might not fail; we plan to face either possibility in our own home,
rather
> than seeing it happen from afar. So far, our home is without
damage, and it
> seems a remote possibility, given how far the Mighty Musconetcong
rose
> during the height of the storm; nowhere near our house. The threat
to
> property or life seems minimal to us at this stage.
>
> I would also like to announce at this time that my wife is with
child, and
> we are expecting a bouncing baby next April. Perhaps I should now
alter the
> statement that gens Vedia isn't accepting new members!
>
> To those that offered their well-wishes regarding our well being
during the
> flooding, I issue my most profound thanks. They were well taken. I
always
> thought of Nova Roma as an assembly of friends first and foremost.
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
>
> Senator, Proconsul Media Atlantica, Augur, Co-Founder,
Paterfamilias, and
> former-more-titles-than-I care-to-count, but now most importantly,
> father-to-be

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Cats Forum
From:	"Little Dragon" <fionaerin@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:39:54 -0000

--- Salve,

Did you say cats? Where???

Vale
Aeternia

In novaroma@--------, "j.mason4" <j.mason4@n...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Anyone who has had the honour to visit the old sites of Rome, will
know of the feral feline nation that now occupies the old Forum.
> I have no doubt that the little furry nation has its own pecking
order, with the fiercest occupant sitting at the helm.( cat-ligula )
>
> ~~Structor~~
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Cats Forum
From:	"Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia" <nicola@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:43:08 +0100

> Salve,
>
> Anyone who has had the honour to visit the old sites of Rome, will
know of the feral feline nation that now occupies the old Forum.
> I have no doubt that the little furry nation has its own pecking
order, with the fiercest occupant sitting at the helm.( cat-ligula )

You watched that program too then? ;-)

Noct'a
*Still alive....just*

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Cats Forum
From:	"j.mason4" <j.mason4@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:28:50 +0100

Salve,

Yes, only the Italians would build a cafe on the site where the great Caesar
made his final departure.Although I would like to sit in that Cafe and sip
an Ameretto in honour of the events which unfolded.

I was fortunate enough to visit Rome and Ostia, unfortunately the coliseum
was undergoing heavy structural repair at the time.
Anyone contemplating a visit, apart from the obvious attractions I recommend
the catacombs for its artistic use of bone-art.

~~Structor~~
----- Original Message -----
From: Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia <nicola@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 8:43 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Re: Cats Forum

> > Salve,
> >
> > Anyone who has had the honour to visit the old sites of Rome, will
> know of the feral feline nation that now occupies the old Forum.
> > I have no doubt that the little furry nation has its own pecking
> order, with the fiercest occupant sitting at the helm.( cat-ligula )
>
> You watched that program too then? ;-)
>
> Noct'a
> *Still alive....just*
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Cats Forum
From:	"j.mason4" <j.mason4@-------->
Date:	Wed, 16 Aug 2000 10:25:00 +0100

Author wrote

> --- Salve,
>
> Did you say cats? Where???
>
>
Come on its a veritable cat sanctuary, i wouldnt go in there at night for
a thousand gold coins.The words torn and shreads sping to mind.
~~Structor~~
>
>
>
>
>
> In novaroma@--------, "j.mason4" <j.mason4@n...> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > Anyone who has had the honour to visit the old sites of Rome, will
> know of the feral feline nation that now occupies the old Forum.
> > I have no doubt that the little furry nation has its own pecking
> order, with the fiercest occupant sitting at the helm.( cat-ligula )
> >
> > ~~Structor~~
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>

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