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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Return of the Wanderer
From:	"JusticeCMO" <justicecmo@-------->
Date:	Mon, 21 Aug 2000 20:54:46 -0400

Salve,

M. Apollonius Formosanus L. Mario Fimbriae et Quiritibus S.P.D. wrote:

>>hounded by blatantly unjust laws and official decisions that weighed more
heavily upon him than upon any other civis among us,>>

<rather generous snip>

Perhaps I have missed some crucial aspect of this issue. It is my
understanding that the newest version of the Gender Edictum simply calls for
any Nova Roma citizen to be recognized within our society the same as said
citizen is recognized in their own *mundane* society. In other words, if I
live as, dress as and am referred to as a female in New York City, I will be
treated as female here. Conversely, regardless of my "plumbing", if I live
as, dress as and am refered to as a male, I would thus be recognized as male
here.

Now, assuming that is accurate, I see no cause for anyone crying "foul" on
behalf of the citizen known in the "world at large" as Maria Villaroel.
[Forgive me, I do not know which Roman name would currently be appropriate,
so i am opting for the mundane terminology] It is my understanding that she
lives her life as a woman (dress, name, etc) while identifying herself
*spiritually* as a man. To walk past Maria on the street, one would know
she was a female and call out a cheerful "Good morning Maria" by way of
greeting. Therefore, I am at a loss as to why she would seek to change that
treatment only here within Nova Roma, while accepting the female name in the
*mundane* world.

To claim that the Gender Edictum is somehow being unfairly used *against*
her seems to be little more than a cry of "we are not getting our way".
Agree or not, that is simply as I see things. The original Edictum was
removed, a new one was issued that seeks simply to correlate a person's
gender here in Nova Roma to what exists in the "outer world" and is in no
way "against" a particular citizen. Yet still a very few seem bent on
trumping up conspriacies where none exist.

Would Maria need to legally change her gender status and name in her
local/national arena in order to be recognized as a male here? Yes.
However, a good case can be made that if she is indeed trying to be seen as
one thing here and another in the mundane world..............well, isn't
that *precisely* the sort of role-playing the Edictum was generated to
forestall?

I do *not* question Maria's feelings on her gender. I accept that she feel
like she should be a male. I am simply fed up with what appears to be an
incessant tirade among a small but vocal group to champion the cause of a
woman who has the same opportunity as every other citizen to be recognized
as her legal identity. My suggestion would be that if it is an important
enough issue within the bounds of Nova Roma, perhaps it is time to make the
change in the mundane world as well. To ask us as a nation to accept her as
one gender, while she lives her "mundane" life as another gender seems
disingenous at best.

In any case, I think the time is well past due to accept that the Edictum is
*not* targeting Maria simply because she happens to be the first to fall
under its provisions. And for those who accuse Sulla of consciously
orchestrating some agenda against Maria, I suggest you take a break from
the conspiracy theories and recognize that Sulla is simply enforcing the
Edictum the same for Maria as he will for any future citizen to which it
applies.

Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Veni Vidi Vici
From:	"c.p." <c_pontius@-------->
Date:	Mon, 21 Aug 2000 17:59:13 -0700

You know, i had just that idea today while I was doing laundry. I thought
that we could start a political party.. the Roman Political party?:)

Ideas?
c. Pontius
-----Original Message-----
From: j.mason4 [mailto:j.mason4@--------]
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 12:41 AM
To: roma
Subject: [novaroma] Veni Vidi Vici

Salvete, ERIT GLORIA ( There will be glory )

I suggest that gaining the publics approval and support would be the first
step in any moves to a Nova Roma Capitol.People become suspicious of groups
involved in clandestine activities, perhaps a political party would not
necessarily gain any power.However it would make public the ideas and
philosophy behind NR, you may even gain some extra support.
Perhaps a front man for the campaign would be a good idea, a well known
face of a celebrity. I thought Marlon Brando he has an empirical air and
would win the public over with his masterful method.
He could be our modern interpretation of Nero, patron of the arts and
champion of the cause.

Benevolentia
~~Sructor~~

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Veni Vidi Vici
From:	cassius622@--------
Date:	Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:10:27 EDT

In a message dated 8/21/00 6:00:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
c_pontius@-------- writes:

<< You know, i had just that idea today while I was doing laundry. I thought
that we could start a political party.. the Roman Political party?:)
>>

Salve,

I've had the same thought myself, although in my own head I can't help but
think of it as the "Toga Party"...

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Veni Vidi Vici
From:	"pjane@-------- " <pjane@-------->
Date:	Tue, 22 Aug 2000 02:23:52 -0000

> I've had the same thought myself, although in my own head I can't
help but
> think of it as the "Toga Party"...

I suppose it could be popular - but then, it would require us to
agree
on something, which seems unlikely.

Patricia Cassia

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Veni Vidi Vici
From:	<gmvick32@-------->
Date:	Mon, 21 Aug 2000 21:11:04 -0600

Forget the politics and agreement......let's just get right to the Toga
Party!!

Toga Toga

L Cornelia Aurelia

"pjane@--------" wrote:

> > I've had the same thought myself, although in my own head I can't
> help but
> > think of it as the "Toga Party"...
>
> I suppose it could be popular - but then, it would require us to
> agree
> on something, which seems unlikely.
>
> Patricia Cassia
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Veni Vidi Vici
From:	"j.mason4" <j.mason4@-------->
Date:	Mon, 21 Aug 2000 18:25:58 +0100

Salve,

Mmm, Politicians agreeing that's a rather new concept, do you know any then.
???

~~S~~
----- Original Message -----
From: <pjane@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 3:23 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Veni Vidi Vici

>
> > I've had the same thought myself, although in my own head I can't
> help but
> > think of it as the "Toga Party"...
>
> I suppose it could be popular - but then, it would require us to
> agree
> on something, which seems unlikely.
>
> Patricia Cassia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Re: Return of the Wanderer
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Tue, 22 Aug 2000 11:24:20 +0200

M. Apollonius Formosanus Priscillae Vediae Serenae S.P.D.

Serenae wrote:

M. Apollonius Formosanus L. Mario Fimbriae et Quiritibus S.P.D.
wrote:

>>hounded by blatantly unjust laws and official decisions that
weighed more heavily upon him than upon any other civis among us,>>

<rather generous snip>

Perhaps I have missed some crucial aspect of this issue. It is my
understanding that the newest version of the Gender Edictum simply
calls for any Nova Roma citizen to be recognized within our society
the same as said citizen is recognized in their own *mundane*
society. In other words, if I live as, dress as and am referred to
as a female in New York City, I will be treated as female here.
Conversely, regardless of my "plumbing", if I live
as, dress as and am referred to as a male, I would thus be recognized
as male here.

Now, assuming that is accurate, I see no cause for anyone crying
"foul" on behalf of the citizen known in the "world at large" as
Maria Villaroel. [Forgive me, I do not know which Roman name would
currently be appropriate, so i am opting for the mundane terminology]
It is my understanding that she lives her life as a woman (dress,
name, etc) while identifying herself *spiritually* as a man. To walk
past Maria on the street, one would know she was a female and call
out a cheerful "Good morning Maria" by way of greeting. Therefore, I
am at a loss as to why she would seek to change that treatment only
here within Nova Roma, while accepting the female name
in the *mundane* world.

To claim that the Gender Edictum is somehow being unfairly used
*against* her seems to be little more than a cry of "we are not
getting our way". Agree or not, that is simply as I see things. The
original Edictum was removed, a new one was issued that seeks simply
to correlate a person's gender here in Nova Roma to what exists in
the "outer world" and is in no way "against" a particular citizen.
Yet still a very few seem bent on trumping up conspiracies where
none exist.

Would Maria need to legally change her gender status and name in her
local/national arena in order to be recognized as a male here? Yes.
However, a good case can be made that if she is indeed trying to be
seen as one thing here and another in the mundane
world..............well, isn't that *precisely* the sort of
role-playing the Edictum was generated to
forestall?

I do *not* question Maria's feelings on her gender. I accept that
she feel like she should be a male. I am simply fed up with what
appears to be an incessant tirade among a small but vocal group to
champion the cause of a woman who has the same opportunity as every
other citizen to be recognized as her legal identity. My suggestion
would be that if it is an important enough issue within the bounds of
Nova Roma, perhaps it is time to make the change in the mundane world
as well. To ask us as a nation to accept her as one gender, while
she lives her "mundane" life as another gender seems disingenuous at
best.

In any case, I think the time is well past due to accept that the
Edictum is *not* targeting Maria simply because she happens to be the
first to fall under its provisions. And for those who accuse Sulla
of consciously orchestrating some agenda against Maria, I suggest you
take a break from the conspiracy theories and recognize that Sulla
is simply enforcing the Edictum the same for Maria as he will for any
future citizen to which it applies.

Vale,
Priscilla Vedia Serena
"Baby Roman Debut" set for 4/16/01
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RESPONDEO:

1. It is my understanding that in the "mundane" world he is male in
the identity that he uses and is accepted in by his peers.

2. A bad law is a bad law, and I am not consoled by the thought that
it might be enforced against others too. Discriminating against a
whole class of people is even worse than discriminating against one.
And that in fact is exactly my main concern.

3. I quite agree that Marius, I and everyone else want their own way.
And when it comes to matters of personal identity I think they should
get it. Those who would define the fundamental identity of another
against that person's will are the ones who have the burden of proof
on them for showing the necessity of such an act of trespass on
another's soul.

4. Nova Roma would make a miserable and uninteresting RPG most of
the time compared with others that are readily available. I have no
fear that we are going to attract hordes of r�le-players - and indeed
even before the first Gender Edictum I never noticed anybody actually
doing this. Certainly Marius wasn't. He is an avid r�le-player, but
he does not treat Nova Roma in that light. Where are these supposedly
dangerous people? Nowhere. This is a non-issue, and probably always
has been.

5. As a vocal part of a vocal minority I must say that my connection
with this particular case arises from the fundamental injustice of
the law as it stands on its own merits. For they are demerits. Such
laws should not exist. Anywhere. They are an affront to human
dignity. If such laws did not exist, no individuals would be given
trouble by them, no one would have to administer them (or take the
flack for administering them), and Nova Roma would greatly benefit
from being free of this useless impediment. When this is brought
about, it will no longer be necessary to be vocal on this point.
Which I too would like to be soon! :-)

For now at any rate I don't feel the need to pursue the matter
further in the public forum unless there are further posts to answer.

Bene vale!

Marcus Apollonius Formosanus
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae (http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/)
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Subject:	[novaroma] Sex & the Single Soldier
From:	"Nicolaus Moravius" <n_moravius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:10:49 GMT

(I hoped this would get more non-deleting attention than 'Re: Re: Return of
the Wanderer').

Nicolaus Moravius popularibus suis plurimam salutem dat

I dread this Gender Issue becoming a battlefield again on the Main List.
Since the matter returned to the public domain I have posted privately to
several fellow-citizens on the subject, so that points may be conceded
either way without loss of face. I wish all the rest of us who say how
tired of it they are would do the same, since just about everything that has
been said publicly on the issue has already been said...

....with one single exception, now. Why the length of time being taken over
what should by now be a simple matter of Fimbria's re-admission under a
bio-specific name? I think it's been more than a week, now. Fresh
applications from completely new cives don't take that long.

Fimbria accused no-one of deliberately delaying the procedure in bad faith;
no-one responsible has explained why there is a delay. Formosanus has asked
why, only to be told he is part of a vocal minority whingeing about not
getting what it wants.

For my part, I think it would help if the *other* vocal minority, which
*has* (largely) got what it wanted, stopped being so hostile and simply
allowed Fimbria back in, as per agreed compromise, and let the matter drop.

This is an indisputable fact: all those who have spoken publicly in favour
of the Gender Edictum, and those who have spoken publicly against it, are
vocal minorities.

Being in a vocal minority doesn't necessarily make you wrong, of course. But
we just don't know what the majority of citizens think about it. And since
we have no idea either what the majority of the 200 or more subscribers to
this list want or believe, there remain two vocal minorities, each shouting
for its own way.

Neither has had its own way completely: we have a compromise, offered by
both Censors, which could be made to work, and which Fimbria is demonstrably
willing to make work. So why is it taking so long to process Fimbria's new
citizenship application?

This question is not an attack on any magistrate, nor is it even an implied
criticism. It's a straight question that deserves a straight answer. If we
can resolve it instead of walloping each other with invective rhetoric,
we'll be a long way towards mending old quarrels and getting on with
projects we ALL believe in.

Sit pax inter nos.

Vado.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Hermaphrodite.?
From:	"j.mason4" <j.mason4@-------->
Date:	Tue, 22 Aug 2000 08:04:01 +0100

Salve,

May I ask if the person requiring citizenship to Nova Roma was in actual fact a, Hermaphrodite, a person exhibiting both female and male sexual orientation .How would you accommodate such a condition.?

Benevolentia.
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Hermaphrodite.?
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:18:31 -0700

Ave,

You might want to read the Edictum. That is covered in it.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor

"j.mason4" wrote:

> Salve,
>
> May I ask if the person requiring citizenship to Nova Roma was in actual fact a, Hermaphrodite, a person exhibiting both female and male sexual orientation .How would you accommodate such a condition.?
>
> Benevolentia.
> ~~Structor~~
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Hermaphrodite.?
From:	"C Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@-------->
Date:	Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:30:06 -0400

Salvete

The edict can be read at the following url:

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts00290601.html

Valete

C Marius Merullus
Censor Suffectus

-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@-------->
To: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
Date: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Hermaphrodite.?

>Ave,
>
>You might want to read the Edictum. That is covered in it.
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>Censor
>
>"j.mason4" wrote:
>
>> Salve,
>>
>> May I ask if the person requiring citizenship to Nova Roma was in actual
fact a, Hermaphrodite, a person exhibiting both female and male sexual
orientation .How would you accommodate such a condition.?
>>
>> Benevolentia.
>> ~~Structor~~

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Subject:	RE: [novaroma] Re: Veni Vidi Vici
From:	"c.p." <c_pontius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 22 Aug 2000 13:50:34 -0700

agreed, i think if nothing else, it's a great excuse for a toga party:)

pardon my typing i am not wearing my glassesso i am doing this blind..

I was pondering this political party idea all night durring work and I cant
really think of any ideas we would promote that are normally promoted by
political parties.. I mean of course there is education.. and the virtues..
I think we need ideas for what political topics today can be resolved by
applying the virtues which we have set out on our website.

This will give us a reason to donate to the group.. it will also get out
ideas out into the public more.. I will thnk about this more tonight and
post what i come up with...

C. Pontius
-----Original Message-----
From: gmvick32@-------- [mailto:gmvick32@--------]
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:11 PM
To: novaroma@--------
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Veni Vidi Vici

Forget the politics and agreement......let's just get right to the Toga
Party!!

Toga Toga

L Cornelia Aurelia

"pjane@--------" wrote:

> > I've had the same thought myself, although in my own head I can't
> help but
> > think of it as the "Toga Party"...
>
> I suppose it could be popular - but then, it would require us to
> agree
> on something, which seems unlikely.
>
> Patricia Cassia
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] nova roma offices
From:	"c.p." <c_pontius@-------->
Date:	Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:01:55 -0700

If someone wished to enter the nova roma political scene, how would one find
a list of currently held positions and curent vacancies? I took a look
through the lists of officials and some seem kinda missing.. if someone
would contact me directly on this matter i would appreciate it.

c. pontius

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Sex & the Single Soldier
From:	"C Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@-------->
Date:	Tue, 22 Aug 2000 17:03:36 -0400

Salvete Nicolaue Moravi et alii

In general, I believe that the censores cannot go into detail about the
status of applications in a public forum, for two reasons:

i Applications to citizenship are private, the business of the applicants
and the censores
ii The work of processing the applications is sufficient burden to render
reporting the status to anyone but applicants themselves impractical

For these reasons and others, I have today and yesterday sent private
messages urging people not to make this a public matter. But, as often
happens around here, it is becoming a public matter in spite of my requests.
The privacy issue seems less critical at this juncture, since the applicant
originated the "Return of the Wanderer" thread in this public forum anyway.
And, the applicant is a person well known to any of us who have been around
any time at all.

We censores therefore choose to depart from normal practice and report the
status of this application in public. Please understand that this report is
not a change in practice, nor is it a request for advice on how to proceed.
It is my belief that the people elect censores to process applications using
their own judgment, and for us to put applications before the audience of an
open e-mail list would be pretty irresponsible.

>
>....with one single exception, now. Why the length of time being taken over
>what should by now be a simple matter of Fimbria's re-admission under a
>bio-specific name? I think it's been more than a week, now. Fresh
>applications from completely new cives don't take that long.

Applications sometimes take longer than that. My usual practice in May and
June was to collect applications Monday to Friday and then process them in
batches Saturday night - Sunday morning. Some of these required sponsorship
of patres or matresfamiliae, which sometimes was received within a day, but
sometimes took much longer, such as the case of a gens based overseas from
the active censor, with a paterfamilias having no e-mail. In fact, there
have been instances where a pater or materfamilias could not be reached at
all - but that's a different problem.

In this case, the application was submitted, I believe, on August 14.
Censor Sulla promptly, that is within less than 24 hours, and at the
beginning of a large stack of censorial correspondence, notified me and
requested my decision to sponsor or reject the application as paterfamilias,
which is standard procedure. So, Censor Sulla, who is processing
applications until the kalends of September, acted quite efficiently.

Now, I on the other hand was not very efficient, because for the last two
weeks I was home preparing meals, running errands and taking care of my
family because my wife just gave birth to another of our children, as you
know. I have to admit that I became quite lax about checking e-mail. There
was even a stretch of a few days that I downloaded my e-mail, only to find
that I had no time to read any of it.

I might not have found out about Fimbria's application for even longer,
except that one day I got a telephone call alerting me to a conflict
stemming from accusations that Fimbria had impersonated someone in the
chatroom. I spent some time that I didn't have to go through my mail and
sent Fimbria a question about the accusation. I was out of touch again for
a couple of days thereafter. When I received Fimbria's reply to my
question, I was satisfied and notified my colleague on August 20 that I
sponsored the application.

That was just two days ago. Censor Sulla, who has consulted senators about
the application and his concern about the accusations, can now accept or
reject it. If, contrary to his normal pace and my expectation, he doesn't
do so by the kalends, then I shall finish the job then.

Sex really has nothing to do with this "delay", if you insist on calling it
that.

>
>Fimbria accused no-one of deliberately delaying the procedure in bad faith;
>no-one responsible has explained why there is a delay.
Formosanus has asked
>why, only to be told he is part of a vocal minority whingeing about not
>getting what it wants.

Well, Formosanus is not the applicant and has no relation to the applicant,
and the same is true for you. Each of us is a vocal minority.
>
>For my part, I think it would help if the *other* vocal minority, which
>*has* (largely) got what it wanted, stopped being so hostile and simply
>allowed Fimbria back in, as per agreed compromise, and let the matter drop.

I can tell you with certainty that this is not a simple case of two
diametrically opposed groups in contention. It is both more and less than
that. There are apparently many different views about Lucius Marius Fimbria
and what his status should be. There is Lucius Marius Fimbria himself,
there are two censores, one of whom is his paterfamilias; there are some
who believe that they have been wronged by Fimbria, and there are apparently
others who wrong him. I grow impatient with the impatience.
>
>This is an indisputable fact: all those who have spoken publicly in favour
>of the Gender Edictum, and those who have spoken publicly against it, are
>vocal minorities.

Well, you're absolutely right on that score.
>
>Being in a vocal minority doesn't necessarily make you wrong, of course.
But
>we just don't know what the majority of citizens think about it. And since
>we have no idea either what the majority of the 200 or more subscribers to
>this list want or believe, there remain two vocal minorities, each shouting
>for its own way.

And, again, I was elected, as Sulla was, to execute the tasks of this
office. I'm not a pollster, and while I listen to the people and certainly
want to put together policies that serve the majority, I don't believe in
relegating constitutionally assigned tasks like processing citizenship
applications to the people via the forum.
>
>Neither has had its own way completely: we have a compromise, offered by
>both Censors, which could be made to work, and which Fimbria is
demonstrably
>willing to make work. So why is it taking so long to process Fimbria's new
>citizenship application?

It isn't taking that long.

>
>This question is not an attack on any magistrate, nor is it even an implied
>criticism.

OK. Please understand that it reads at least as an implied criticism ("the
other vocal minority being so hostile" et cetera).

Valete

C Marius Merullus
Censor Suffectus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Veni Vidi Vici
From:	"j.mason4" <j.mason4@-------->
Date:	Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:26:15 +0100

Salve,

To my knowledge no political party is opting for tracts of land to be
reserved, for the use of re establishing a neo roman culture.
This would include I hope a revival of ancient festivals unseen, pre advent
of Christianity. I would forego the Virginal sacrifices and any activities
deemed as debauchery, However it wouldn't hurt to chase naked through the
woods adorned in wild animal skins,would it. ?

Benevolentia
~~Structor~~
----- Original Message -----
From: c.p. <c_pontius@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: [novaroma] Re: Veni Vidi Vici

> agreed, i think if nothing else, it's a great excuse for a toga party:)
>
> pardon my typing i am not wearing my glassesso i am doing this blind..
>
> I was pondering this political party idea all night durring work and I
cant
> really think of any ideas we would promote that are normally promoted by
> political parties.. I mean of course there is education.. and the
virtues..
> I think we need ideas for what political topics today can be resolved by
> applying the virtues which we have set out on our website.
>
> This will give us a reason to donate to the group.. it will also get out
> ideas out into the public more.. I will thnk about this more tonight and
> post what i come up with...
>
> C. Pontius
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmvick32@-------- [mailto:gmvick32@--------]
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 8:11 PM
> To: novaroma@--------
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Re: Veni Vidi Vici
>
>
> Forget the politics and agreement......let's just get right to the Toga
> Party!!
>
> Toga Toga
>
> L Cornelia Aurelia
>
>
> "pjane@--------" wrote:
>
> > > I've had the same thought myself, although in my own head I can't
> > help but
> > > think of it as the "Toga Party"...
> >
> > I suppose it could be popular - but then, it would require us to
> > agree
> > on something, which seems unlikely.
> >
> > Patricia Cassia
> >
> >
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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] nova roma offices
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@-------->
Date:	Tue, 22 Aug 2000 12:40:39 -0700

In the current magistrates section of the NR website.

Sulla Felix

"c.p." wrote:

> If someone wished to enter the nova roma political scene, how would one find
> a list of currently held positions and curent vacancies? I took a look
> through the lists of officials and some seem kinda missing.. if someone
> would contact me directly on this matter i would appreciate it.
>
> c. pontius
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Re: Return of the Wanderer
From:	StarVVreck@--------
Date:	Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:57:06 EDT

In a message dated 8/22/00 5:25:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bvm3@--------
writes:

<< 2. A bad law is a bad law, and I am not consoled by the thought that
it might be enforced against others too. Discriminating against a
whole class of people is even worse than discriminating against one.
And that in fact is exactly my main concern. >>
RESPONDEO:

The law, even the original form, in no way has discriminated or could be used
to discriminate. It simply was intended to mean that you have to tell the
truth on your application for citizenship. What happens after that is not
under subject of the Nova Roman law.

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