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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Translating other langages
From:	"Lucius Pompeius Octavianus" <octavianuslucius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:03:01 -0000

L. Pompeius Octavianus Quinto Sertotio S.P.D.
Thank you very much for the URL. I'm sure it's helpful.
Vale

--- In novaroma@--------, "Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-
sertorius@--------> wrote:
> 23 Aug 2000
>
> Salve
>
> I found this link for translating other languages, I hope this
helps others
> to understand each other. It works enough for me to follow posts in
other
> languages. I hope this helps.
>
> http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn
>
> Vale
>
> Quintus Sertorius

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Subject:	[novaroma] Most Notable Romans
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:41:11 -0700

Here is my 2 cents on that topic. First off, let me say, that there are WAY to many to name! :)

But, if I am going to list them, I think the following would be included:

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix - Dictator of Rome
Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus
Publius Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus
Cornelia mother of the Gracchi

Other Romans:

Q. Fabius Maximus
C. Iulius Casesar
C. Marius
Augustus
Cn. Pompeius Magnus
Romulus
Camilius (sp.)
Regulus

the list goes on and on!

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Most Notable Romans
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:50:14 -0700

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marcus Octavius Germanicus" <haase@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Most Notable Romans

>
> Vale Luci Corneli,
>
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix - Dictator of Rome
> > Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus
> > Publius Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus
> > Cornelia mother of the Gracchi
>
> I sense a pattern here!

Of course! :) I gotta list one of the most illustrious Gens's in Ancient
Rome's history first! The Gens Cornelia held the Consulship more times in
ancient Rome than any other Gens. 106 times! :)

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Most Notable Romans
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:44:13 -0500 (CDT)

Vale Luci Corneli,

> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix - Dictator of Rome
> Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus
> Publius Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus
> Cornelia mother of the Gracchi

I sense a pattern here!

In my mind the greatest Roman was Gaius Iulius Caesar Octavianus, later
known as Augustus. He brought an end to a century of chaos in which a
series of powerful generals imposed their will on the people of Rome.

Octavian was rather ruthless in suppressing his enemies, true... but that was
the expected practice at the time. He established a system of government
that survived him by four hundred years.

Vale, Octavius.

--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curule Aedile, Nova Roma
Microsoft delenda est!
http://www.graveyards.com/

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Most Notable Romans
From:	"Gaius Metellus Valentinus" <websurfer07@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:59:34 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...>
wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mar--------O--------ius Germani-------- <hu---------------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [novaroma] Most Notable Romans
>
>
> >
> > Vale Luci Corneli,
> >
> > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix - Dictator of Rome
> > > Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus
> > > Publius Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus
> > > Cornelia mother of the Gracchi
> >
> > I sense a pattern here!
>
> Of course! :) I gotta list one of the most illustrious Gens's in
Ancient
> Rome's history first! The Gens Cornelia held the Consulship more
times in
> ancient Rome than any other Gens. 106 times! :)
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Salvete omnes,

It's interesting. So far I haven't seen too many authors or
philosophers named. There has been a mostly political and military
bent to the names contributed.
What of Vergil, Ovid, Horace, Livy etc.? Any takers?
Just an observation.

- G. Metellus Valentinus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Most Notable Romans
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:02:59 -0700

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gaius Metellus Valentinus" <websurfer07@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:59 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Most Notable Romans

> --- In novaroma@--------, "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...>
> wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mar--------O--------ius Germani-------- <hu---------------->
> > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [novaroma] Most Notable Romans
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Vale Luci Corneli,
> > >
> > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix - Dictator of Rome
> > > > Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus
> > > > Publius Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus
> > > > Cornelia mother of the Gracchi
> > >
> > > I sense a pattern here!
> >
> > Of course! :) I gotta list one of the most illustrious Gens's in
> Ancient
> > Rome's history first! The Gens Cornelia held the Consulship more
> times in
> > ancient Rome than any other Gens. 106 times! :)
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
>
> It's interesting. So far I haven't seen too many authors or
> philosophers named. There has been a mostly political and military
> bent to the names contributed.
> What of Vergil, Ovid, Horace, Livy etc.? Any takers?
> Just an observation.

Oh yeah....the literary arts....well my favs would be:

M. Tullius Cicero
Polybius (yes I know he is a Greek)
Tacitus
Seutonius
Ovid
M. Aurelius
and some others I cant think of!

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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Subject:	[novaroma] Name changes
From:	"Gaius Metellus Valentinus" <websurfer07@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:37:27 -0000

Salvete omnes,

I was wondering of one of my fellow citizens could point out
the
methods and procedures for changing ones name. I would only like to
change my cognomen, but I not sure how to do so.
Thank you in advance for your help.

- G. Metellus Valentinus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Name changes
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:38:38 -0700

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts00290601.html

This is the Edictum you will want to look at.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Censor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gaius Metellus Valentinus" <websurfer07@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 6:37 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Name changes

> Salvete omnes,
>
>
> I was wondering of one of my fellow citizens could point out
> the
> methods and procedures for changing ones name. I would only like to
> change my cognomen, but I not sure how to do so.
> Thank you in advance for your help.
>
>
> - G. Metellus Valentinus
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Notable Romans
From:	<gmvick32@-------->
Date:	Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:59:41 -0600

I second both of your nominations, Lauria

L Cornelia Aurelia

Lauriat wrot

> > I'd have to make an objections against your nomination of Caesar.
>
> I apologize, but I must disagree with these objections in the context of the
> discussion at hand. I have to say that disagreement with Caesar's politics
> doesn't make him any less of a "notable Roman." Do I need to stress how
> ridiculous it would be to ignore Caesar as a major player in Roman history
> because he killed people, some of whom probably didn't deserve it? I
> challenge anyone to find a great leader who everyone uniformly agreed with
> or a great Roman leader who didn't cause any innocents to die.
>
> I personally must support Publius Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus Africanus
> Numanticus (I apologize to Scipio's shade if I got his names out of order)
> as a very notable Roman. The Romans themselves considered him the embodiment
> of the true Roman ideal for generations.
>
> Also, I would like to suggest a far less famous Roman, Caenis, a concubine
> of the Emperor Vespasian. She was a prime example of how an intelligent (and
> reputedly not terribly beautiful) woman could achieve high levels of success
> through hard work and her own talents. She managed Vespasian's affairs and
> then the financial state of the Empire very efficiently.
>
> -Lauria Maria Crispa
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: S. Apollonius Draco <hendrik.meuleman@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:32 AM
> Subject: [novaroma] Notable Romans
>
> > Salve Structor,
> >
> > I'd have to make an objections against your nomination of Caesar.
> Yes, he indeed meant much for the Republic and the later Empire, but I
> always keep
> > in mind that he decimated the people of Gallia. It was no genocide on
> > racistic basis, but after all he *did* invade a territory not his own only
> > to seek personal glory and to "civilize" the "barbarians". Yes, "Gallia
> > pacata est", he writes, but at what price. It's easy to achieve peace when
> > there's no one left to make war with.
> >
> > Vale bene!
> > Sextus Apollonius Draco, civis Novae Romae,
> > Wind Dragon, ICQ# 32924725
> > --**--
> > "There is no knowledge that is not power"
> > "Imagination is more important than knowledge"
> > --**--
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] A day to remember
From:	"Gaius Metellus Valentinus" <websurfer07@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 04:04:43 -0000

Salvete omnes,

Tomorrow marks 1921 years since the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius
buried the cities of Pompeii and Herculaneum. Nearly 2,000 yrs.ago,
these two cities, at the hight of their power, were buried under ash,
serving as testaments to the culture that was Roma.
Little did the inhabitants suspect that in their death they
would inspire so much awe and admiration, at their achievements and
way of life. At the same time, the nature of their demise is both
horrific and poignant.
I think this quote, taken from the grave stone of Marcus
Caecilius located on the via of Pompeii sums up the feeling:

"Stranger, I am pleased that you stop at my resting place.
Good luck and good health to you; may you sleep without care."

A touch of irony.

- G. Metellus Valentinus

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] A day to remember
From:	Lykaion1@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:10:50 EDT

In a message dated 8/24/00 12:05:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
websurfer07@-------- writes:

<< Little did the inhabitants suspect that in their death they
would inspire so much awe and admiration, at their achievements and
way of life. >>

Nor did they suspect tourists would be gaping at the plaster castings of
their contorted dead bodies.

GFF

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] A day to remember
From:	"j.mason4" <j.mason4@-------->
Date:	Wed, 23 Aug 2000 18:32:53 +0100

Salve,

She has for me life's veil withdrawn;
The images of things long gone,
The shadows of the coming days,
Are present to my visioned gaze.

~~Structor~~
----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Metellus Valentinus <websurfer07@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 5:04 AM
Subject: [novaroma] A day to remember

> Salvete omnes,
>
>
> Tomorrow marks 1921 years since the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius
> buried the cities of Pompeii and Herculaneum. Nearly 2,000 yrs.ago,
> these two cities, at the hight of their power, were buried under ash,
> serving as testaments to the culture that was Roma.
> Little did the inhabitants suspect that in their death they
> would inspire so much awe and admiration, at their achievements and
> way of life. At the same time, the nature of their demise is both
> horrific and poignant.
> I think this quote, taken from the grave stone of Marcus
> Caecilius located on the via of Pompeii sums up the feeling:
>
> "Stranger, I am pleased that you stop at my resting place.
> Good luck and good health to you; may you sleep without care."
>
> A touch of irony.
>
> - G. Metellus Valentinus
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] A day to remember
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 02:16:02 -0400 (EDT)

Salve;

Smoke and Fire billowing and flashing;
Ash raining and drifting;
A city once fair with life and laughter;
Now silent, the morning after.

Who could know that horrible hour;
That in the millenium's flower;
The culture and knowledge buried there;
Would rise again, it's fruit to bear.

To impress a folk far away in view and way;
For study to hold an academic sway;
That moment of terror and death some say;
To answer questions, and see the day.

Will those who come to sit and sift the stories there;
Be gentle, and kind as the memories care;
And remember for each bit of data seen;
A life, a soul, a light extinguished has been.

Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Sex & the Single Soldier
From:	"Les Peterson" <procopious@-------->
Date:	Wed, 23 Aug 2000 23:11:14 -0700

Just to help clear up some facts, my citizenship is less than a month old
and I waited almost two weeks to be notified. I believe the application says
it may take as long as three weeks. Hope this info helps.
Lucius Mauricius Procopious

----- Original Message -----
From: Nicolaus Moravius <n_moravius@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:10 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Sex & the Single Soldier

> (I hoped this would get more non-deleting attention than 'Re: Re: Return
of
> the Wanderer').
>
> Nicolaus Moravius popularibus suis plurimam salutem dat
>
> I dread this Gender Issue becoming a battlefield again on the Main List.
> Since the matter returned to the public domain I have posted privately to
> several fellow-citizens on the subject, so that points may be conceded
> either way without loss of face. I wish all the rest of us who say how
> tired of it they are would do the same, since just about everything that
has
> been said publicly on the issue has already been said...
>
> ....with one single exception, now. Why the length of time being taken
over
> what should by now be a simple matter of Fimbria's re-admission under a
> bio-specific name? I think it's been more than a week, now. Fresh
> applications from completely new cives don't take that long.
>
> Fimbria accused no-one of deliberately delaying the procedure in bad
faith;
> no-one responsible has explained why there is a delay. Formosanus has
asked
> why, only to be told he is part of a vocal minority whingeing about not
> getting what it wants.
>
> For my part, I think it would help if the *other* vocal minority, which
> *has* (largely) got what it wanted, stopped being so hostile and simply
> allowed Fimbria back in, as per agreed compromise, and let the matter
drop.
>
> This is an indisputable fact: all those who have spoken publicly in favour
> of the Gender Edictum, and those who have spoken publicly against it, are
> vocal minorities.
>
> Being in a vocal minority doesn't necessarily make you wrong, of course.
But
> we just don't know what the majority of citizens think about it. And since
> we have no idea either what the majority of the 200 or more subscribers to
> this list want or believe, there remain two vocal minorities, each
shouting
> for its own way.
>
> Neither has had its own way completely: we have a compromise, offered by
> both Censors, which could be made to work, and which Fimbria is
demonstrably
> willing to make work. So why is it taking so long to process Fimbria's new
> citizenship application?
>
> This question is not an attack on any magistrate, nor is it even an
implied
> criticism. It's a straight question that deserves a straight answer. If
we
> can resolve it instead of walloping each other with invective rhetoric,
> we'll be a long way towards mending old quarrels and getting on with
> projects we ALL believe in.
>
> Sit pax inter nos.
>
> Vado.
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: A day to remember
From:	"Gaius Metellus Valentinus" <websurfer07@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:50:59 -0000

--- In novaroma@--------, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Salve;
>
> Smoke and Fire billowing and flashing;
> Ash raining and drifting;
> A city once fair with life and laughter;
> Now silent, the morning after.
>
> Who could know that horrible hour;
> That in the millenium's flower;
> The culture and knowledge buried there;
> Would rise again, it's fruit to bear.
>
> To impress a folk far away in view and way;
> For study to hold an academic sway;
> That moment of terror and death some say;
> To answer questions, and see the day.
>
> Will those who come to sit and sift the stories there;
> Be gentle, and kind as the memories care;
> And remember for each bit of data seen;
> A life, a soul, a light extinguished has been.
>
> Marcus Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Salve,

Just one word: BEAUTIFUL.

Ave, G. Metellus Valentinus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Notable Romans
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 01:49:06 +0200

M. Apollonius Formosanus Patriciae Cassiae et Omnibus S.P.D.

As for great men of Rome, out of the many available, maybe the case
of the Brothers Gracchi (Tiberius Sempronius and Gaius Sempronius)
would be good for inclusion. These men were perhaps the first
democratically elected leaders who proposed deliberate social
legislation on such a major scale. They pioneered land reform, price
stabilisation and the expansion of Roman rights to the Latins and
Latin rights to the allies (which last plan failed).

They were also the victims of dramatic opposition from the
entrenched powers-that-be, which makes for a dramatic and instructive
story. Here we have conscious social policy and its struggles,
calling forth the prescient ghosts of FDR's New Deal and the way
Pinkertons and the army were used in union busting. And of how so
many lands even today are struggling with land reform, and how even
now this action for fundamental social betterment through fair
division of this resource is met with murders.

It is even tempting to think that if the extreme economic class
divisons had been reduced at that point in time and the sturdy small
farmer for the traditional army (more ready and financially able to
serve the Respublica without being dependent on a specific general)
had been encouraged, and other Italians given more rights sooner, the
history of Rome might have been far happier: perhaps there would have
been more peace in Italy, and perhaps a decrease in the disruptive
personal power of great men of war (Marius, Sulla, Pompey, Caesar),
perhaps Rome would have kept her traditional "respublica libera" and
never fallen into increasing authoritarianism. Well, who can tell -
but it is a pleasant dream. And the labours and plans of the Gracchi
conduced in that direction and were far sighted (although their
notions on provincial administration were not the best, to put it
mildly).

Plutarch deals with them in his "Lives" and there is endless
secondary material available, although many details are still
shrounded in mystery.

Valete!

Marcus Apollonius Formosanus
Paterfamilias Gentis Apolloniae (http://www.crosswinds.net/~bvm3/)
Moderator et Praeceptor Sodalitatis Latinitatis; Scriba Censorius � � � � � � �
ICQ# 61698049 Firetalk: Apollonius 1588367
AIM: MAFormosanus � � � � � � �MSN: Formosanus
Civis Novae Romae in Silesia, Polonia
The Gens Apollonia is open to new members.
Ave nostra Respublica Libera - Nova Roma!
________________________________________
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(Se vi deziras subigi al vi chion, subigu vin al Racio)
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Subject:	[novaroma] Vesuvius
From:	Marcus Papirius Justus <papirius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:28:06 -0600

A smattering of urls appropriate to the day ...

Pliny 6.16 to Tacitus:

http://www.amherst.edu/~classics/class36/ancsrc/01.html

Pliny 6.20 to Tacitus:

http://www.amherst.edu/~classics/class36/ancsrc/02.html

Pompeii Forum Project:

http://jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU/pompeii/

An engraving of the death of Pliny the Elder (watch the wrap):

http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/Pliny_the_Elder/frontispiece.html

A Vesuvius page with animations of the eruption and plenty of photos:

http://vulcan.fis.uniroma3.it/vesuvio/79_eruptiontext.html

A transcript of the BBC's "Curse of Vesuvius" program:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/horizon/script.shtml

An article from the Ancient History Bulletin on a postulated eruption
of Vesuvius in 217 B.C. (which is connected to this one):

http://ivory.trentu.ca/www/cl/ahb/ahb4/ahb-4-1b.html

A Vesuvius page:

http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/volc_images/img_vesuvius.html

enjoy and reflect!

mpj

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Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN [Religio Romana] ante diem IX Kalendas Septembres (August 24)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:34:40 +0100

Salvete omnes

This is one of the dies comitiales (C), when committees of citizens can vote
on political or criminal matters.

Today is the "Mundus patet" (open Mundus), when the Mundus is ritually
opened. The Mundus is the trench that Romulus created when he drove the plow
which marked the outline of the city at its foundation. The center of the
Mudus is considered the center of Rome, for it was from this point that
Romulus measured the dimensions of the city.
The Mundus is an arched subterranean cavity which establishes the
communication between the world of the living and the Infernus, world of the
dead, kingdom of Dis/Orcus/Pluto and Proserpina. To appease the Dii Inferi
and the dead, people deposit ther fruits, vegetables and other offerings.
This opening of the Mundus is repeated on October 5 and November 8. Several
"religiones" ("religio" means "religious duty". Note: the word "religio" had
not the same meaning which it has today. The Romans considered that there
were different cults - i.e. different ways of worshiping the Gods - and not
different Religions in modern sense) apply today:
- It is forbidden to engage in combat.
- It is forbidden to raise troops.
- It is forbidden to make troops march.
- It is forbidden to raise anchor.
- It is forbidden to marry or procreate.
Nevertheless, comitia and other public activities are allowed.

The peril that sorrounds this day and the requirement for strict obeysance
to the religiones is reminded to us in the tragedy of Pompei and Herculaneum
which occured in 79 AD. For some reason, the Gods became enraged. The cities
died by the ashes which came from the inside of the Earth through mount
Vesuvius (remind that this occurs one day after the Volcanalia).
Nevertheless, the death of those beatiful cities also preserved a good part
of today's knowledge about Rome and our ancestors Romans. May Nova Roma be
the rebirth of those who perished in that day by the opening of the Vesuvian
Mundus.

The month Sextilis was changed to Augustus as an homage to Emperor
Octavius Caesar Augustus. This month is sacred to Ceres.

Pax Deorum vobiscum

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex

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Subject:	[novaroma] Absentia
From:	"Nicolaus Moravius" <n_moravius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:25:45 GMT

EX DOMO PROPRAETORIS BRITANNIAE

N. Moravius popularibus suis plurimam salutem dat

Aletheia Moravia and I will be away on vacation from Friday 24th to the
Kalends of September.

Our access to communications will be extremely limited, so please flag all
urgent personal messages.

Any propraetorial business needing immediate attention should be copied to
Procurator P. Claudius Lucentius Severus, and all routine business to my
scriba M. Scribonius Curio Britannicus.

Bene valete

Vado Propraetor.

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Subject:	[novaroma] Needing Help
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:16:31 -0500

24 Aug 2000

Salve All

I am trying to reach a number of Legio Reenactment groups and I am having
trouble contacting a few of them. If anyone can help me I would be grateful.
These Legios are listed below. I do not known why some of them are not
emailing me, I guess they must be busy, or they are at another contact
location, ect. ect. Anyway, I need help to contact these groups and if any
one can help me I will be in your debt.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

[I] Legio I(Nevada)

Address
marius@--------

[II] Legio II Augusta(Portsmouth, United Kingdom)
Address
David Richardson
61 Totland Road
Portsmouth, PO6 3HS
Tel: +44 (0)1705 36997
http://www.legiiavg.org.uk/
legiiavg@--------

[III] Legio III Gallica(New Orleans)

Address
Darren Nunez
PO Box 50893
New Orleans, LA 70150-0893
504-576-2743
dnunez1@--------
HTTP://members.aol.com/legiiigal/
LEGIIIGAL@--------

[IV] Legio VIII Augusta(Baden Germany)

Address
Alexander Zimmermann,
Rosenstrasse 10
72124 Pliezhausen
GERMANY
Fax: 049 7127/ 70554
Bernd.Hummel@-------- Bernd.Hummel@--------
http://home.t-online.de/home/Bernd.Hummel/engli.htm

[V] Legio XIV Gemina Martia Victrix(Ohio)

Address
Thomas Aquino
819 39th St. NW
Canton, Ohio 44709-2535
USA

[VI] Legio XXIV Media Atlantia(Eastern PA and New Jersey DE)
Address
George Metz
13 Post Run
Newtown Square, PA 19073
610-353-4982
legionxxiv@--------
http://www.legionXXIV.org

[VII] VII Praetorian Cohort(Perth Australia)

Address
http://members.iinet.net.au/~bbrown/

[VIII] Ermine Street Guard(United Kingdom)

Address
Ermine Street Guard
Oakland Farm, Dog Lane
Crickley Hill, Witcombe
Gloucestershire, GL53 4UG
United Kingdom
theesg@--------
http://www.ESG.ndirect.co.uk
Chris Haines
Oakland Farm, Dog Lane, CrickleyHill, Witcombe,
Gloucester GL3 4UG Tel/Fax 01452 862235
http://www.esg.ndirect.co.uk/

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Needing Help
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:40:09 -0400 (EDT)

Salve, Sertorius;

I believe that George Metz of the XXIVth Legio is also a mmber of the
XXth Legio (Mathew Amt). George is also the Co-Commander of the
Soldalitas Militarius in NR, and I am puzzled by his absence of
response.

George is also one of the assistants to Senator Graecus as the Web
Curator. George, if you are out there, how about contacting me!!!!

Two years ago the New Orleans goup was in attendance at Roman Days in
Maryland. Mathew Amt. should have some information in regard to them as
well.

Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Needing Help
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:44:38 -0500

24 Aug 2000

Salve Consul

Thank you for the reply Consul, I hope others can also help me as you have.

Vale

QS
----- Original Message -----
From: <jmath669642reng@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Needing Help

> Salve, Sertorius;
>
> I believe that George Metz of the XXIVth Legio is also a mmber of the
> XXth Legio (Mathew Amt). George is also the Co-Commander of the
> Soldalitas Militarius in NR, and I am puzzled by his absence of
> response.
>
> George is also one of the assistants to Senator Graecus as the Web
> Curator. George, if you are out there, how about contacting me!!!!
>
> Two years ago the New Orleans goup was in attendance at Roman Days in
> Maryland. Mathew Amt. should have some information in regard to them as
> well.
>
> Vale, Respectfully;
> Marcus Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
>
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] nova roma offices
From:	"C Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:39:59 -0400

Salvete C Ponti et alii

Good for you! I encourage you and other citizens to look at all the
documents in the tabularium, like the list of current magistrates
(http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/magistrates.html), to get an idea of
what offices there are. The constitution
(http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution_new2.html) must also be
read. In addition to the offices of the central administration, there are
appointed provincial officials (propraetores et legati), which are, on the
whole as we grow, just as important.

I hope that you read all of it, paying particular attention to the offices
of quaestor, aedilis and the vigintisexviri. They are all useful and
necessary offices, for which there tends to be a lack of candidates.

After you read all this, think about your own ideas, interests and abilities
and how much time you can commit to Nova Roma. Then you can decide which
office makes the most sense for you, and declare your candidacy in the
prescribed timeframe. "Prescribed timeframe" is bureaucratese (my first
language, English is second) for "I'm not sure exactly when yet, but it'll
be a month-long or so period sometime this fall".

If you decide to begin your public contribution to Nova Roma's
administration in the provincial sector, a good beginning is to see whether
you live in a provincia, and, if so, whether you already have a propraetor.
You can take a look at our provinciae page
(http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/provinciae.html) for help in this,
and if you have trouble navigating this, let me know and I can assist you.
If your area is not yet organized as a provincia, it may make sense to think
about how to go about this, and to take a look at this senatus consultum
(http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/sen00020601.htm). If it is organized as
a provincia, you can contact your propraetor to inquire whether he/she needs
any help.

Valete

C Marius Merullus
Censor Suffectus

Postscriptum I have to apologize for the typo in the text of the heading of
the senatus consultum -- de Propraetores. I don't know how it got there,
but it clearly should be de Propraetoribus

>If someone wished to enter the nova roma political scene, how would one
find
>a list of currently held positions and curent vacancies? I took a look
>through the lists of officials and some seem kinda missing.. if someone
>would contact me directly on this matter i would appreciate it.
>
>c. pontius
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Most Notable Romans
From:	Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 20:47:07 +0200

Caius Flavius Diocletianus Quiritibus S.P.D

Of course, the persons metioned are mostly politicians, emperors or
soldiers. I�m very happy that also philosophers are listed.

But, Romans, please don�t forget: Roman history was a history of Wars. Our
ancient ancestors thought that they were doomed to rule the world. The most
important persons in ancient times were, of course, politicians and soldiers
(during the most time almost in personal union). These men were symbols for
the honourable roman way of live: Military and administrative service for
the res publica. Most of these men really personified the roman traditions
(of course less or more..)

The philosophers are some few, interesting men. Cicero was a lawyer and a
politician, but no soldier, M. Aurelius was emperor and soldier and
philosopher. Cicero symbolizes the "Homo Novus" in roman republican times.
M. Aurelius is a symbol for the roman emperor with strong hellenistic
influence (as also Hadrianus). They were in my humble opinion famous, but no
"typical", Romans.

Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus

"L. Cornelius Sulla" schrieb:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gaius Metellus Valentinus" <websurfer07@-------->
> To: <novaroma@-------->
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:59 PM
> Subject: [novaroma] Re: Most Notable Romans
>
> > --- In novaroma@--------, "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mar--------O--------ius Germani-------- <hu---------------->
> > > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:44 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [novaroma] Most Notable Romans
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Vale Luci Corneli,
> > > >
> > > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix - Dictator of Rome
> > > > > Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus
> > > > > Publius Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus
> > > > > Cornelia mother of the Gracchi
> > > >
> > > > I sense a pattern here!
> > >
> > > Of course! :) I gotta list one of the most illustrious Gens's in
> > Ancient
> > > Rome's history first! The Gens Cornelia held the Consulship more
> > times in
> > > ancient Rome than any other Gens. 106 times! :)
> > >
> > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> >
> > It's interesting. So far I haven't seen too many authors or
> > philosophers named. There has been a mostly political and military
> > bent to the names contributed.
> > What of Vergil, Ovid, Horace, Livy etc.? Any takers?
> > Just an observation.
>
> Oh yeah....the literary arts....well my favs would be:
>
> M. Tullius Cicero
> Polybius (yes I know he is a Greek)
> Tacitus
> Seutonius
> Ovid
> M. Aurelius
> and some others I cant think of!
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Most Notable Romans
From:	Paul R Neacsu <pneacsu@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:04:58 -0700

One should not forget the engineering feats of the ancient Romans. Being very
new to this group, could anyone direct me to information about this aspect?

Regards.

Caius Flavius Diocletianus wrote:

> Caius Flavius Diocletianus Quiritibus S.P.D
>
> Of course, the persons metioned are mostly politicians, emperors or
> soldiers. I�m very happy that also philosophers are listed.
>
> But, Romans, please don�t forget: Roman history was a history of Wars. Our
> ancient ancestors thought that they were doomed to rule the world. The most
> important persons in ancient times were, of course, politicians and soldiers
> (during the most time almost in personal union). These men were symbols for
> the honourable roman way of live: Military and administrative service for
> the res publica. Most of these men really personified the roman traditions
> (of course less or more..)
>
> The philosophers are some few, interesting men. Cicero was a lawyer and a
> politician, but no soldier, M. Aurelius was emperor and soldier and
> philosopher. Cicero symbolizes the "Homo Novus" in roman republican times.
> M. Aurelius is a symbol for the roman emperor with strong hellenistic
> influence (as also Hadrianus). They were in my humble opinion famous, but no
> "typical", Romans.
>
> Valete
> Caius Flavius Diocletianus
>
> "L. Cornelius Sulla" schrieb:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gaius Metellus Valentinus" <websurfer07@-------->
> > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:59 PM
> > Subject: [novaroma] Re: Most Notable Romans
> >
> > > --- In novaroma@--------, "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Mar--------O--------ius Germani-------- <hu---------------->
> > > > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:44 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [novaroma] Most Notable Romans
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale Luci Corneli,
> > > > >
> > > > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix - Dictator of Rome
> > > > > > Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus
> > > > > > Publius Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus
> > > > > > Cornelia mother of the Gracchi
> > > > >
> > > > > I sense a pattern here!
> > > >
> > > > Of course! :) I gotta list one of the most illustrious Gens's in
> > > Ancient
> > > > Rome's history first! The Gens Cornelia held the Consulship more
> > > times in
> > > > ancient Rome than any other Gens. 106 times! :)
> > > >
> > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > >
> > > Salvete omnes,
> > >
> > >
> > > It's interesting. So far I haven't seen too many authors or
> > > philosophers named. There has been a mostly political and military
> > > bent to the names contributed.
> > > What of Vergil, Ovid, Horace, Livy etc.? Any takers?
> > > Just an observation.
> >
> > Oh yeah....the literary arts....well my favs would be:
> >
> > M. Tullius Cicero
> > Polybius (yes I know he is a Greek)
> > Tacitus
> > Seutonius
> > Ovid
> > M. Aurelius
> > and some others I cant think of!
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Most Notable Romans
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:14:59 -0400 (EDT)

Salvete, Omnes;

For the information of all the Citizens in Nova Roma, there is a
department of the Sodalitas Militarium which addresses the recognition
of Roman Engineering, and has been for some time. The Department Head
is Marcus Audens, Tribunas Militarium Laticlavius, Nova Roma.

Anyone desiring to join the Sodalitas Militarium please contact Pompeia
Cornelia Strabo, (trog99@--------) to apply.

Vaete, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	[novaroma] Druids
From:	"j.mason4" <j.mason4@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 08:13:20 +0100

Salve,

I read somewhere that Druids were of foreign extraction, does anyone have any possible leads or useful URL.Thanks in advance.

Benevolentia
~~S~~

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Most Notable Romans
From:	Paul R Neacsu <pneacsu@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:46:18 -0700

Cheers....I'm new to all this. While living in England I was near a city
called St Albans which still has some lovely Roman ruins and a wonderful
Museum dedicated to its Roma past. I can pass along the sites if
anyone's
interested.

jmath669642reng@-------- wrote:

> Salvete, Omnes;
>
> For the information of all the Citizens in Nova Roma, there is a
> department of the Sodalitas Militarium which addresses the recognition
> of Roman Engineering, and has been for some time. The Department Head
> is Marcus Audens, Tribunas Militarium Laticlavius, Nova Roma.
>
> Anyone desiring to join the Sodalitas Militarium please contact Pompeia
> Cornelia Strabo, (trog99@--------) to apply.
>
> Vaete, Respectfully;
> Marcus Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
>

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Druids
From:	Paul R Neacsu <pneacsu@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:34:39 -0700

Druids are very much a Celtic thing I believe. I have a friend who might be able to help here in the US and a few from the UK as
well.

Paul

"j.mason4" wrote:

> Salve,
>
> I read somewhere that Druids were of foreign extraction, does anyone have any possible leads or useful URL.Thanks in advance.
>
> Benevolentia
> ~~S~~
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Most Notable Romans--Gaius Plinus Secundus (Pliny The Elder)
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 18:13:41 -0400 (EDT)

Salvete, Omnes;

On this day in the year 79, at approximately one o'clock in the
afternoon, Mount Vesuvious erupted, destroying the cities of Stabae,
Pompeii and Herculaneum, and most of thier inhabitants.

One of the most notable among those killed was the famous Gaius Plinius
Secundus, better known as Pliney The Elder. A man of many talents,
scholar, lawyer, writer, and personal friend of the Emperor Titus, he
was the Admiral of the Fleet at Misenum when the disaster occurred.

Careless of his own safety he did what he could to rescue those who fled
to the beach to escape the eruption and sent his ships in close to take
off those terrified refugees of the unforgiving volcano in whose shadow
they lived. In moving in so close, he gave his life so others might
live. I ask that you remember this worthy Roman today, if you will, and
honour his noble example.

Perhaps his selfless act may remind us to concentrate on the good and
the service that we can achieve through the inspiration of like
attributes, and not concentrate so terribly much on the shortcomings, as
we see them, of our neighbors.

My appreciation to my Consiliarius Religionis, N. Moravius Vado for this
special little piece.

Valete, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Subject:	[novaroma] His Masters Voice
From:	"j.mason4" <j.mason4@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:28:04 +0100

Salve,
VITAM BONAM VIXIT ( He lived a good life )

OHHH master where are you now, ! I call out your name, running through the Subterranean chambers.I thought I heard you call to me 'twas only the shrill echo of mine own hysterical yearning.
Ringing my hands and tears run profusely from mine grieving, stricken eyes.
I clout my head against your stony epitaph, and lay unconscious upon the laurel reefs which adorn your Sepulchrum.When I awoke the chamber had been sealed, and so we shall go to Caelum together.

Benevolentia
~~S~~

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: A day to remember
From:	"Little Dragon" <fionaerin@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:32:51 -0000

--- Salve Consul Audens,

That was truly a lovely piece, thank you for posting this.

Vale
Aeternia

In novaroma@--------, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Salve;
>
> Smoke and Fire billowing and flashing;
> Ash raining and drifting;
> A city once fair with life and laughter;
> Now silent, the morning after.
>
> Who could know that horrible hour;
> That in the millenium's flower;
> The culture and knowledge buried there;
> Would rise again, it's fruit to bear.
>
> To impress a folk far away in view and way;
> For study to hold an academic sway;
> That moment of terror and death some say;
> To answer questions, and see the day.
>
> Will those who come to sit and sift the stories there;
> Be gentle, and kind as the memories care;
> And remember for each bit of data seen;
> A life, a soul, a light extinguished has been.
>
> Marcus Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Druids
From:	"j.mason4" <j.mason4@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:02:08 +0100

Salve,

According to the commentaries they had links to Gaul, that's where they went
for training . I am looking for a separate account to back up Caesar's
claims.No Druid records are in existence, Tackitus also wrote of their
macabre rituals but it seems these accounts are all we have to go on.

Benevolentia
~~S~~
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul R Neacsu <pneacsu@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [novaroma] Druids

> Druids are very much a Celtic thing I believe. I have a friend who might
be able to help here in the US and a few from the UK as
> well.
>
> Paul
>
> "j.mason4" wrote:
>
> > Salve,
> >
> > I read somewhere that Druids were of foreign extraction, does anyone
have any possible leads or useful URL.Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Benevolentia
> > ~~S~~
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Druids
From:	"Little Dragon" <fionaerin@-------->
Date:	Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:39:08 -0000

---Salve,

Wow, another druid!! You might want to take a look at a site
www.druid.org, or do a search at www.avatarsearch.com, it's the
best search engine of the occult, and you will find many druidic
links there. I hope I have been some help to you.

Valete
Aeternia

In novaroma@--------, "j.mason4" <j.mason4@n...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I read somewhere that Druids were of foreign extraction, does
anyone have any possible leads or useful URL.Thanks in advance.
>
> Benevolentia
> ~~S~~
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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