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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Formosanus' counterproposal
From:	Razenna <razenna@-------->
Date:	Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:02:24 -0700

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I just got home from work.
Cool!

C.Aelius Ericius.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla wrote:

> Ok I am going to make the Poll :)
>
> Sulla Felix
>
> Razenna wrote:
>
> >
> > Perhaps Cassia should just put it up. A public straw poll. Why not?
> > If I could I would. I know how I think the breakdown would be (not
> > a
> > disappointment to you), but it would let some of the pressure vent
> > fromt he steam box. this is a tool that I think should be used more
> > often. It would give all constituencies an idea of what the people
> > actaully think. Not just the vocal ones. And, I speak from my survey
> > training, you always have room for guessing about the no-shows. They
> > count. Their the ones that give dark horses their shot.
> >
> > Do it!
> >
> > C. Aelius Ericius.
> >
> > --- In novaroma@--------, "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...>
> > wrote:
> > > Wow I am impressed at how much respect you are showing to Caius
> > Lupinius
> > > Festus! :) I am very pleased at that. What I will do is discuss
> > this with
> > > my colleague and then I will make a response. Since together him
> > and I
> > > drafted this Edictum I will not make a decision without his input.
> > >
> > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > Censor
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Raz-------- " <raz--------@-------->
> > > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:42 PM
> > > Subject: [novaroma] Re: Formosanus' counterproposal
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Salve, Lucius Cornelius Sulla.
> > > >
> > > > No. It is not really, after Festus's assertion today. Why not
> > just
> > > > have a poll on the edict now? You can use this as another datum
> > for
> > > > future work. And it might stop this round and about exchange
> > that
> > is
> > > > really only a few voices out of all the citizens who are
> > subscribers
> > > > to this list. How about it?
> > > >
> > > > C. Aelius Ericus.
> > > > Augur. Pontifex. Senator. Paterfamilias.
> > > >
> > > > --- In novaroma@--------, "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Ave,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have stated that I would be willing to put this up on the
> > ballot
> > > > as a Lex
> > > > > at the end of the year. Considering that was your suggestion
> > last
> > > > week
> > > > > Ericius, isnt that sufficient?
> > > > >
> > > > > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > > > > Censor
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Raz-------- " <raz--------@-------->
> > > > > To: <novaroma@-------->
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 5:18 PM
> > > > > Subject: [novaroma] Re: Formosanus' counterproposal
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As with my message regarding Divine Salamis, my settings may
> > have
> > > > > > sent
> > > > > > a reply I intended for the whole list solely to Festus.
> > There
> > is
> > > > > > also
> > > > > > no copy of the message in my sent file. This is why I
> > consider
> > > > > > computer things an art rather than a science. To try to
> > > > recondtruct
> > > > > > what I said...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We do not know how the majority of the citizens feel. This
> > can
> > > > only
> > > > > > be known if there is some sort of a straw ballot. Would
> > Lucius
> > > > > > Cornelius Sulla be willing to put this idea of his on the Nova
> > > > Roma
> > > > > > Egroups as a poll? If nothing else it might serve to wind up
> > > > some
> > > > of
> > > > > > the exchanges. Okay Sulla?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Festus, you may feel free to repost what I wrote before,
> > assuming
> > > > you
> > > > > > got it, to this list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Valete.
> > > > > > C. Aelius Ericius.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In novaroma@--------, Lykaion1@c... wrote:
> > > > > > > For the democractically minded out there...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Why should any "counter-proposal" be seriously considered
> > when
> > > > the
> > > > > > majority
> > > > > > > already like the currect policy?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Festus
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >


Subject:	[novaroma] Fw:
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:20:09 -0700


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Gens promotion
From:	Megas-Robinson <amgunn@-------->
Date:	Thu, 31 Aug 2000 20:07:04 -0500


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Poll results for novaroma
From:	Lykaion1@--------
Date:	Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:34:16 EDT


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Gens promotion
From:	"pjane@-------- " <pjane@-------->
Date:	Fri, 01 Sep 2000 02:14:58 -0000


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Gens promotion
From:	"pjane@-------- " <pjane@-------->
Date:	Fri, 01 Sep 2000 02:17:43 -0000


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Poll results for novaroma
From:	Fortunatus <labienus@-------->
Date:	Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:33:54 -0500


Subject:	[novaroma] A Poll on the Alternatives
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:38:26 +0200


Subject:	[novaroma] New Patricians and New Citizens
From:	"M. Apollonius Formosanus" <bvm3@-------->
Date:	Fri, 1 Sep 2000 05:06:11 +0200


Subject:	[novaroma] Welcome Caius Valerius Opilio
From:	Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@-------->
Date:	Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:01:51 +0200


Subject:	[novaroma] Gens Promotion
From:	Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@-------->
Date:	Fri, 01 Sep 2000 08:54:08 +0200


Subject:	[novaroma] General note on polls
From:	"pjane@-------- " <pjane@-------->
Date:	Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:35:23 -0000

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While keeping abreast of popular opinion is an important job for NR's
leaders, I think you'll find that the "silent majority" isn't voting
because they don't care.

In general I think a lenient view should be taken towards Citizens
who
leave and return, but that those who undertake administrative duties
and then abandon them without notice should not be allowed to resume
their posts as if nothing had happened.

Patricia Cassia


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] A Poll on the Alternatives
From:	Marcus Octavius Germanicus <haase@-------->
Date:	Fri, 1 Sep 2000 09:31:21 -0500 (CDT)

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>
> So, I second Senator Ericius' call for a popular poll now on which
> provisions are preferred by the silent majority of our cives. Simply
> for the information of the censors and of us all.

I like the edict as written, with one minor adjustment -- that the
six-month waiting period be waived for anyone who had resigned before
the edict went into effect.

Valete, O.

--
M. Octavius Germanicus
Curule Aedile, Nova Roma
Microsoft delenda est!
http://www.graveyards.com/


Subject:	[novaroma] Re: A Poll on the Alternatives
From:	"Razenna " <razenna@-------->
Date:	Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:40:23 -0000


Subject:	[novaroma] Introduction
From:	"Diana Meridia Aurelia" <dhartig@-------->
Date:	Fri, 01 Sep 2000 15:30:58 -0000


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Introduction
From:	"Quintus Sertorius" <quintus-sertorius@-------->
Date:	Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:43:13 -0500

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1 Sept 2000

Salve Diana

On my own behalf I welcome you to our republic, and I hope you find what it
is you seek

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Meridia Aurelia" <dhartig@-------->
To: <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 10:30 AM
Subject: [novaroma] Introduction

>
> Diana Meridia Aurelia Civibus Omnibus Novae Romae S.P.D.
>
> may I also, and following the example of my fellow new citizen in the
> Provincia Germania Superior, Caius Valerius Opilio, introduce myself
> to the list.
> I have been granted the status of citizenship by our honourable
> Censor Sulla about two weeks ago.
>
> I am single, 35 years old and am working for an American company in
> Desktop Publishing and translation here in Stuttgart.
> I hope that within NovaRoma I will be able to further my studies of
> all things Roman, particularly Roman Military, Religion and Politics -
> and I shall be indebted to anyone offering me an opportunity to
> become active on behalf of our Republic and the furtherance of her
> goals and interests.
> I am committed to my duties as a citizen and hope that I will soon be
> able to participate actively in discussions in this forum. As yet I
> do not feel condident enough to do so - but I have seen that I am not
> the only new cives who struggles with this apparently.
>
> However, on one subject I would like to state my opinion briefly, if
> I may (I would have done so via the poll yesterday but a problem with
> our server prevented me form doing so in time).
> I am new to NovaRoma and her politics and therefore in no position to
> judge on the basis of long-term involvement with our state, so please
> forgive me if my speaking out on this subject seems premature.
> I have followed the arguments regarding the edict concerning
> resignation of citizenship for the last week now with great interest.
> I believe I understand everybody's position and the reservations
> against the edict and why they have been brought forward.
> So without further ado I only wish to say that I will support the
> edict as it stands. I feel that there ought to be a standard policy
> on resignation of citizenship and I don't think the conditions as
> outlined in the present form of the edict are too harsh on anyone
> wishing to return after leaving.
> I personally regard my citizenship in NovaRoma as a privilege, not a
> lottery win with no strings attached - and I think that goes along
> the lines of the attitudes to it in Roma Antiqua - and it should be
> taken and guarded as that. No more, but also no less.
> This is more or less the answer to yesterday's poll, and I hope that
> I have not offended anyone by saying so.
>
> I am very much looking forward to continued discussion and exchange
> with all of you, honored fellow Cives of NovaRoma.
>
> Valete,
> Diana Meridia Aurelia
>
>
>
>
>


Subject:	[novaroma] Reenactment
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:05:26 -0400 (EDT)

Savete, Omnes

I will be gone again for the entire weekend to Monroe, New York (Museum
Village). I have been asked to portray a U.S. Naval Commander (flag
captain) North Atlantic Blockading Squadron (Civil War) as the Naval
Staff Officer and Skirmish Narrator to the Federal Commander.

I have been absent much of last week as well, on local activities, so if
I owe you a message I will get to it as soon as possible. Meanwhile for
Sodalitas operation please conact Pompeia Cornelia Strabo, Senate
concerns -- Senator Merrulus, Consular concerns -- My Consular Colleague
Q. Fabius Maximus.

Valete, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] A Poll on the Alternatives
From:	Lucius Cornelius Sulla <alexious@-------->
Date:	Fri, 01 Sep 2000 07:42:19 -0700

Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:

>
> >
> > So, I second Senator Ericius' call for a popular poll now on which
> > provisions are preferred by the silent majority of our cives. Simply
> > for the information of the censors and of us all.
>
> I like the edict as written, with one minor adjustment -- that the
> six-month waiting period be waived for anyone who had resigned before
> the edict went into effect.

Ave,

The Edicta is not retroactive. We have never kept records of how resigned
before. :) Hope that helps.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): Kalendae Septembres (September 1st)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:57:51 +0100

Salvete omnes

This is one of the dies fasti (F), on which legal actions are permitted.

This is the day of the Kalendae Septembres. This month is sacred to Vulcan.
Today the Pontifices announce the Nonas from the Curia Calabra, after
performing a sacrifice to Iuno,
where Ianus is also invoked. The Regina Sacrorum also sacrifices to Iuno at
the Regia.
Today, capite velato, I have invoked Iuno Covella on the 5th day by
saying the traditional formula:
"Die Quinti te kalo Iuno Covella"

This day is dedicated to Iuno Regina, the Goddess that Camillus brought from
Veii. She was called Uni by the Etruscans. Her temple, just like the temples
of other foreign deities, was installed on the Aventine hill.

Today is also the dies natalis of Iuppiter Liber on the Aventine. Iuppiter
Liber is the God of Freedom.

Pax Deorum vobiscum

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Introduction
From:	Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@-------->
Date:	Fri, 01 Sep 2000 20:38:08 +0200

Salve, Diana Meridia Aurelia.

As I did with our fellow citizen Caius Valerius Opilio, I want to express my
heartly welcome to you, both in Nova Roma and the Provincia Germania.

One remark from my own: There is no Nova Roma Province of Germania Superior.
Germania Superior was an antique Province of the Orbis Romanus. The NR
Province is just called Germania.

You live in Stuttgart, so you are assigned to the Provincia Germania. I will
put your name on our citizens roster.

By the way: You are invited to visit our Provincia Germania website:
www.novaroma.de/nr/. Please take a look. You will find some interesting
information about our Province.

If you have some questions, don�t hesitate to ask them.

Bene Vale
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Legatus Germaniae


Subject:	Re: [novaroma] General note on polls - Resignation Edictum
From:	Caius Flavius Diocletianus <3s@-------->
Date:	Fri, 01 Sep 2000 21:10:01 +0200

Caius Flavius Diocletianus Patricia Cassia Quiritibusque S.P.D.

Patricia Cassia wrote:

> While keeping abreast of popular opinion is an important job for NR's
> leaders, I think you'll find that the "silent majority" isn't voting
> because they don't care.

The same problem as in all modern democracies. But it shows that NR is a
democracy.

> In general I think a lenient view should be taken towards Citizens
> who
> leave and return, but that those who undertake administrative duties
> and then abandon them without notice should not be allowed to resume
> their posts as if nothing had happened.

That�s my opinion, too. Some citizens don�t understand that citizenship is a
privilege. But, I must repeat, if they leave and return they must make their
minds about their whole membership in NR at all. That�s all. The Resignation
Edictum gives them time to think about membership.
What about office holders? If they leave, they abandon their duties. They
desert. Some office holders must swear an oath of office. They break this
oath, committing a sacrilege. In my opinion that�s an important point. So I
fully agree with Patricia Cassia. If they return, they have no right to
resume their posts.

Remember: Roman Auxiliary soldiers served 25+ years to win roman
citizenship.

Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus