Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Re: Age Exemptions [was Rogators and Common Sense]
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:04:01 -0700

It was the Censors and the Senate. I did not mean to imply other just the
Censors. Nor is it just the Senate. Both bodies must work together. I
hope that my quoting the actual Lex makes that perfectly clear. :) My
previous post when I cited the Lex is still correct. :)

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: "Razenna" <razenna@-------->
To: "Nova Roma" <novaroma@-------->
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 4:55 PM
Subject: [novaroma] Re: Age Exemptions [was Rogators and Common Sense]


> But, Sulla, you were talking as though it was only the Censors. You
> were leaving the
> Senate out of your previous piece. Your wording was as though it was
> the Censors who decide it-- period.
> And the Collegium Pontificum would certainly decide all matters
> concerning the Religio Pontificum.
>
> C. Aelius Ericius.
> Senator. Augur. Pontifex.
>
> L. Cornelius Sulla wrote:
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Razenna" <razenna@-------->
> > To: "Nova Roma" <novaroma@-------->
> > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 4:32 PM
> > Subject: [novaroma] Age Exemptions [was Rogators and Common Sense]
> >
> > > I've snipped this down to the paragraph that is eliciting this
> > > response.
> > >
> > > --- In novaroma@--------, "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > I am glad you have stated your opinion on this issue, as for my
> > > opinion, I
> > > > believe any underaged citizen should petition the Censors before
>
> > > presenting
> > > > himself as a candidate, to gain the exemption. In the petition
> to
> > > the
> > > > Censors he/she should state the position they are interested in
> > > running
> > > > prior too announcing it.
> > >
> > > While the Censores might be the ones to grant an exemption for an
> > > under age person becoming a citizen(and I have some reservations
> which
> > > are not relevent here), it is not the Censores who make the call
> on
> > > candidates for any office. This would be up to the Senate for
> > > political offices and the Collegium Pontificum for offices of the
> > > Religio.
> >
> > Ave, Ericius and others.
> >
> > But I must disagree, when the person running for office is under the
> age
> > limits specified by the Lex Iunia de Magistratum Aetate, the
> relevant
> > passage in the Lex Iunia states:
> >
> > VI. An exemption to this law may be granted to a person by the
> approval of
> > both censors and a senatus consultum approved by a two thirds
> majority vote.
> >
> > Therefore both the Censors and the Senate must work together. And,
> > conceivably if either party fails to agree, then that applicant
> cannot hold
> > that office.
> >
> > I dont have any opinion on the Religio since the Lex has no bearing
> on the
> > Religip posts.
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla
> > Censor
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Subject:	[novaroma] Official NR list guidelines
From:	"pjane@-------- " <pjane@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Oct 2000 02:26:04 -0000

The comment period having passed, the following guidelines are now
made
official. While they technically apply only to my administration as
Curatrix Sermonem, I hope that future holders of the office will see
them as a useful tradition.

I have changed the settings on our list so that new subscribers will
automatically get a copy of the guidelines. Even if you have read
them
before, please take a glance at them, and judge your own behavior
accordingly.

Patricia Cassia
Curatrix Sermonem (list moderator)

-----

GUIDELINES FOR THE NOVA ROMA MAILING LIST

By Patricia Cassia
Curatrix Sermonem (List moderator)

This list is for you, and I see my role as trying to facilitate a
place
where we can all share information and get to know one
another. So these guidelines are open to change, and to your
suggestions.

First, a little history: When Nova Roma was founded in 1998, it was
clear that the Internet would play a big part in its growth and
development. Marcus Cassius Julianus, one of the two founders, asked
me
to start a mailing list. At first it ran on a clunky Mac program from
my home machine, but very soon it became possible to use a Web-based
service as its host.

Today the list has nearly 250 people on it. As we've grown, we've had
to adjust the way we communicate so as to make electronic "room" for
everyone. This set of guidelines represents another effort in that
direction. It is not a response to any one person or posting.



I.The list is set up so that replies automatically go to the
poster, not the entire list. When you reply to a post, consider
carefully whether your posting is of interest to the entire
list,
or whether it is a response only to one person.

II.Agreement and support for one another are always welcome.
However, if you are simply saying "yes!" or "me too,"
without adding more information to the thread, consider doing
so
in private e-mail.

III.If you must criticize another's post, consider doing so in
private e-mail. If the person has made a genuine error, this allows
him or her to save face and apologize for misbehavior or
correct
misinformation, rather than having misdeeds pointed out
publicly.

IV.It is entirely appropriate to disagree publicly with another's
stated views, or with the actions of Nova Roma's Senate,
magistrates and other officials. Nova Roma is an organization
of
individuals from a wide variety of nations, religions,
backgrounds and political viewpoints, and it is only reasonable
that our views should differ.

V.When expressing disagreement, the following steps are
recommended:
* Express respect for the person and faith in his or her
good intentions.
* Point out any themes or ideas with which you do agree.
* Express your own opinion pleasantly, with respect for
the
rights of others to believe differently from you. On the
Internet, strong language does not enhance the effectiveness of your
communication. It simply makes you look strident and overbearing.
* Offer factual information where possible, backed up
with
sources. Quiet statements of fact win respect from those following
your
conversation.
* Offer sources of factual information (books, web links,
etc.) that might be of interest to others interested in the topic.
* Use humor when appropriate (i.e. when it helps lighten
the tone of a discussion without being aimed at other list members)

VI.If a thread or posting on the list makes you angry or sad,
consider not responding at all, or doing so in private e-mail. If
you do decide to respond to something that has pressed your
emotional buttons, do not press Send right after writing your
response. Let it sit in your Out box for 24 hours. Then look at
it again, and consider whether this response is the one that
best enhances your own honor and advances the knowledge of
fellow
list members.

VII.Remember that there are people on this list who are under 18.
Profanity is generally unnecessary. Sexual references should
be mild at worst.

VIII.Name-calling is inappropriate. Expressions of disagreement
should be confined to criticizing the words or ideas of another,
rather than the person.

IX.During the time leading up to elections (held each December,
and
occasionally at other times if offices become vacant), this
list is also one of the public forums through which candidates
express their views and present their qualifications to the
populace. All of the above strictures governing appropriate
behavior remain in place and apply to all candidates and
their supporters.

X.Avoid giving out your home address and/or phone number on this
list. You do not know all the people on here, and while
it would be pleasant to believe we are all good-hearted and
sane,
you cannot trust in that.

XI.The topic of this list is ancient Rome and Nova Roma. Off-topic
postings include:
* Discussions of macronational politics, except when they
shed light on an ancient Roman subject or in some way
relate to Nova Roma.
* Bashing of any religion. It is OK to discuss your own
disagreements with various faiths, but not to disrespect the
rights of others to believe in those faiths.
* Arguments on certain well-worn issues that are
contentious in modern society (examples: abortion, gun control),
except as they relate to our topic.
* Jokes that aren't related to the topic or to current
discussions on the list
* Virus warnings and other urban legends.
* All commercial postings, except from members of the
Macellum, Nova Roma's marketplace (and even these should
be "low-key" - see below).

XII.The best postings include those which help us better understand
some aspect of Roman history, or which offer ideas and
energy to the furtherance of Nova Roma's goals. On-topic
postings
include, but are not limited to:
* Anything related to ancient history. This is broadly
interpreted to include religion, cooking, gardening, family life,
politics, military, costuming, medicine and many other
topics.
* Anything that has the effect of building community
among
list members (announcements of local events, planning
get-togethers, sharing occasional personal milestones).
* Information of interest to Nova Romans (links, news,
tourism information for Roman sites, updates from political or
religious bodies, regional or Sodalitas projects).
* Low-key advertisements for Macellum members. A low-key
advertisement might include a signature file, a single
announcement of a new business, or a mention of one's
business in response to a relevant thread on the list.

XIII.The Curatrix Sermonem has imperium to govern this list, but
prefers to encourage positive interaction rather than punish
negative behavior. In the case of a poster whose actions
repeatedly violate these guidelines or otherwise seriously disrupt
the peace, the Curatrix Sermonem will choose from the following
list of escalating actions:
i.General note to the list, not directed at anyone
personally, but mentioning the behavior in question and suggesting
alternate courses of action.
ii.Pleasant, private note to the individual, asking him or
her to stop.
iii.Less pleasant, private note to the individual, warning
him
or her to stop.
iv.Placement of the individual on "moderated" status (the
individual remains a member of the list, but all posts must
be filtered by the Curatrix Sermonem). Message sent to
the
Senate informing them of this step.
v.In extreme cases, the offender can and will be banned from
the list. Further action may be taken by the Senate, but
this step represents the limit of the Curatrix Sermonem's
powers.
The vast majority of cases can be dealt with via the first two
steps alone, and it is the Curatrix Sermonem's hope that these
guidelines will reduce the necessity even of those steps.

XIV.If you are unhappy about someone's behavior on the list, and you
do not feel comfortable dealing with him/her privately,
do not tell the list about it. This often has the effect of
adding further strife. Instead, e-mail me at pcassia@--------
Additionally, I welcome concerns, questions or ideas for more
effective list administration in private e-mail. Allow 24 hours
or so for me to respond; I check my e-mail often, but I also
have
a life.

XV.Finally, to all of you who make the Nova Roma list an pleasant
and
informative place, thank you.




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Subject:	[novaroma] Away for a while...
From:	"Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia" <nicola@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:49:23 +0100

Salvete omnes!

I know I'm rather quiet on the lists, but I am still here and with you!

Just to let you know, I shall be moving house next week, well I have the
house on Saturday, but we're moving in during the week, and slowly...ahh the
advantages of having parent's house to sleep at whilst decorating my new
one!

The disadvantage of all this is that I shall not have a computer....for how
long I don't know.

Also have lack of phone line for a while...

I'm emailing Vado my new postal address, so if the Eagle comes out soon, can
it be sent there so I can mass deliver it!

If anyone needs me in an emergency I can be reached on email at
nocturnia@--------
I'll manage to check this every so often, I'm just having to set the lists
to read on the web.

Well, wish me luck and I'll see you when I get sorted out!

Noct'a

Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Materfamilias of the gens Iulia Caesaria the second Gens of Britannia to
join the Republic of Nova Roma
Legata Britannia Septentrionalis


http://www.novaroma.org

Meum est propositum
in taberna mori
ut sint vina proxima
morientes ori


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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Away for a while...
From:	razenna@--------
Date:	Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:28:34 -0000

Salve Dearest Noct'a, SPD

Make sure Vado keeps you, his most valuable Legae, informed of when
the elections start. Besides you being a conscientious citizen, I
want
to see you get above 15 points. ==({[;-)

Bene vale.
C. Aelius Ericius.

--- In novaroma@--------, "Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia"
<--------la@--------> wrote:
> Salvete omnes!
>
> I know I'm rather quiet on the lists, but I am still here and with
you!
>
> Just to let you know, I shall be moving house next week, well I
have
the
> house on Saturday, but we're moving in during the week, and
slowly...ahh the
> advantages of having parent's house to sleep at whilst decorating
my
new
> one!
>
> The disadvantage of all this is that I shall not have a
computer....for how
> long I don't know.
>
> Also have lack of phone line for a while...
>
> I'm emailing Vado my new postal address, so if the Eagle comes out
soon, can
> it be sent there so I can mass deliver it!
>
> If anyone needs me in an emergency I can be reached on email at
> --------ur---------------- > I'll manage to check this every so often, I'm just having to set
the
lists
> to read on the web.
>
> Well, wish me luck and I'll see you when I get sorted out!
>
> Noct'a
>
> Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
> Materfamilias of the gens Iulia Caesaria the second Gens of
Britannia to
> join the Republic of Nova Roma
> Legata Britannia Septentrionalis
>
>
> http://www.novaroma.org
>
> Meum est propositum
> in taberna mori
> ut sint vina proxima
> morientes ori
>
>
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Subject:	[novaroma] New Citizens
From:	jmath669642reng@--------
Date:	Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:03:00 -0400 (EDT)

Salve, New Citizens;

Welcome to Nova Roma. It is my privaledge to welcome you to our ranks
in hopes that you will find something here most enjoyable and
worthwhile. I only have one of your two names, the name I have is:

--Prima Clodia Cinnabari (darkell@--------);

--???---------------------(petit@--------)

due to a glitch in the system. I will be most pleased to acknowledge
your name when I have recieved it.

Feel free to browse the website and contact those who interest you for
more information. If you are interested in Outreach for NR or in the
Military, then you may contact my Scriba, Pompeia Cornelia Strabo (see
above) and discuss the matter with her. Be Well and enjoy your
citizenship.

To all those others who are recent citizens, whom I did not get a chance
to welcome personnally, I welcome you as well, to our micronation and I
hope that you will contact your Magistrates and the Sodalitas to get
involved with your new friends.

Vale, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Consul et Senator

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Subject:	[novaroma] New email address
From:	BICURRATUS@--------
Date:	Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:40:59 EDT

EX DOMO PROCURATORIS BRITANNIAE

A quick note to let all citizens know that I now use BICURRATUS@-------- for
Nova Roma business. Please adjust your records accordingly.

Publius Claudius Lucentius Severus Bicurratus
Procurator Britanniae

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Subject:	[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem VI Idus Octobres (October 10th)
From:	"Antonio Grilo" <amg@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:56:29 +0100

Salvete omnes

This is one of the dies comitiales (C), when committees of citizens can
vote on political or criminal matters.

Today is the aniversay of the rededication of the temple of Iuno Moneta on
the citadel ('Arx').
Failure to pay attention to the voice of Aius Locutius which came from a
sacred wood (His deification and dedication of an altar at the Via Nova was
later performed in order to expiate the fault), led to the invasion of Rome
by the Gauls in 390 BCE. It was Iuno Who by means of Her sacred geese saved
the Capitol and Rome from the assault of the Gauls, and as such She became
known as Moneta and her tample built on the Arx.

I thank Pontifex Ericius for his precious help.

Pax Deorum vobiscum

Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex



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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: [ReligioRomana] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem III Nonas Octobres (October 5th)
From:	"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:41:51 +0100

Salve mi Graece salveteque aliibus

Thanks for the clarification, O Graece: sorry I misunderstood the intent of
your original post.

Avete

Vado.

> Salvete Vado et al
>
> >> - It is forbidden to marry or procreate.
> >While I would have to agree generally that sexual abstinence is required
of
> >those participating in religious rituals (usually from the night before
the
> >festival, but up to a week before solemn festivals such as the Cerealia),
> >would not Flora and Venus be dishonoured by a refusal to celebrate that
> >sacred and joyous communion, over which they preside?
> >I have just been reading Tibullus' "Pervigilium Veneris" ("The Vigil of
> >Venus"), where the refrain is:
> >"Cras amet qui numquam amavit, quique amavit cras amet!"
> >(May he love tomorrow who has never loved, and may he who has, tomorrow,
> >love!).
> Vado, the religiones I listed only apply on the opening of the Mundus
only.
> As I've said, "Several
> "religiones" ("religio" means "religious duty". Note: the word "religio"
had
> not the same meaning which it has today. The Romans considered that there
> were different cults - i.e. different ways of worshiping the Gods - and
not
> different Religions in modern sense) apply TODAY".
>
> I was not saying that those religiones apply generally in roman rituals.
Of
> course, other days are favourable to procreation, but the opening of the
> Mundus should be held with its special observance.
>
> Valete
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus



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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: [NovaRomaProv] Away for a while...
From:	"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:28:56 +0100

Salve, mea Nocturnia!

Congratulations and very best wishes for the new home! Don't forget to tell the Lares where you're going, and to introduce yourself to the Lares of your new place.

Optima tibi omnia,

Vado.
----- Original Message -----
From: Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
To: novaroma@-------- ; NovaRomaProv@-------- ; NovaRomaVizantia@-------- ; britannia@-------- ; ForTheMuses@--------
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 4:49 PM
Subject: [NovaRomaProv] Away for a while...


Salvete omnes!

I know I'm rather quiet on the lists, but I am still here and with you!

Just to let you know, I shall be moving house next week, well I have the house on Saturday, but we're moving in during the week, and slowly...ahh the advantages of having parent's house to sleep at whilst decorating my new one!

The disadvantage of all this is that I shall not have a computer....for how long I don't know.

Also have lack of phone line for a while...

I'm emailing Vado my new postal address, so if the Eagle comes out soon, can it be sent there so I can mass deliver it!

If anyone needs me in an emergency I can be reached on email at nocturnia@--------
I'll manage to check this every so often, I'm just having to set the lists to read on the web.

Well, wish me luck and I'll see you when I get sorted out!

Noct'a

Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia
Materfamilias of the gens Iulia Caesaria the second Gens of Britannia to join the Republic of Nova Roma
Legata Britannia Septentrionalis


http://www.novaroma.org

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] New Citizen Appointment
From:	"Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@-------->
Date:	Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:04:20 +0100

Mariae Christianae salutem, and welcome to Nova Roma!
Scripsisiti:

>Si valete valeo!
>
>I am Christiana, accepted into gens Maria, province of Canada
>Occidentalis, on September 30, 2000. By way of introduction, I am
>both worker and student and have been following your discussions from
>the sidelines for some time, waiting to join in until I had read the
>Constitution of Nova Roma, toured the Nova Roma site, and joined a
>familia. My interests are in all things Roman, with a particular
>interest in the language of Rome, in her laws and lawgivers, and in
>the process and product of pax Romana.

>I look forward to meeting everyone and sharing in your discourse as
>time goes on, as the political wrangling of the few hopefully gives
>way to discussion of matters of general interest omnibus incolis
>Novae Romae (to all inhabitants of New Rome).

>Legum serva sum ut libera esse possum.
>(I am a slave of the law so that I might be free)

>Pax vobiscum et valete!

Tibi respondeo: Hmm. At first, I felt much as you do when I first arrived
here. But "the political wrangling of the few", as you call it, is something
which happens periodically in this forum, when an exchange of erm...
information... raises issues such as unintentionally self-contradictory or
imprecise laws which can be interpreted differently to serve different
interests. Hoc est verbum sapientibus (here's a word to the wise).

I believe some public political discussion of this nature is in the public
interest, so that citizens can see just what (and who) works in the public
interest, and what (or who) doesn't.

It's all very well to describe oneself as a slave to the law who is thereby
free, but every man and woman in NR has a right to help make and re-make the
laws which bind us all - and this is done primarily through debate.

If citizens never do so (which is of course also their right), and never ask
of a proposed or actual law: "Cui bono?" (to whose benefit is this?), they
may find one day that the laws they permitted by silent agreement have made
them slaves indeed.

Those who don't care about politics will get the government, and the social
status, they deserve. The problem with that is, a lot of others won't.

Good choice of gens, by the way.

Pace,

N. Moravius Vado.


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