| Subject: |
[Fwd: Re: [novaroma] Re: New Citizens and all the Vadonian posts] |
| From: |
<gmvick32@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:15:30 -0600 |
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Whoops....I'm still not used to the list settings.
Livia
-------- Original Message --------
Salvete, Ericius:
You don't have all the answers??? I'm shocked. :)
Actually, Ericius, you are notable to ME at least in your
approachability.
So is Vado, I might add.....I'd rather have a dozen of you,
and Vado, and
Fortunatus, etc. (well, ok, and my pater, the great Sulla
himself) with no
answers but who are bound to respond to me one way or
another despite
myself!!!
Now that I've been shaken out of my silence, I have a
suggestion to
Christiana.....ask yourself what your interest in Nova Roma
is....then write
an email to your pater (C. Marius Merullus, I believe?),
share with him your
interests, and ask his advice on what groups to join, what
cives could help
start you down the path to knowing people and activities for
that interest,
etc. In short.....make your experience in Nova Roma reflect
your own
interests, and ESPECIALLY......make getting to know your
gens part of your
first effort.
And, Christiana, feel free to email me with the same at any
time.
Livia Cornelia Aurelia
razenna@-------- wrote:
> LOL Having to read all the back copy archives could be considered
> more like a sentence to punishemtn than advice. =({[;-) I've never
> found an easy way to "get into a group". "Just hang in there" can
> also be a turn off. I have no answers.
> C. Aelius Ericius.
>
> --- In novaroma@--------, <gmvick32@u...> wrote:
> > Salvete:
> >
> > As a relative newcomer myself, let me just add one comment to the
> topic and
> > then I'm fading into silence....
> >
> > For those of us new to the club, so to speak, I think we need
> something more
> > personal than advice to read back list archives as a way to know
> about Nova
> > Roma. I got that advice, disliked it, and simply won't read
> through
> two
> > years worth of email to know more about an organization. I think
> it falls
> > upon the pater/materfamilias and other members of a newcomer's
> gens,
> and the
> > Sodalitas Egressus in general, to mentor newcomers one-on-one.
> >
> > We've come a long way.....but there's a long way to go.
> >
> > I'll be silent now.
> >
> > Livia Cornelia Aurelia
> >
> >
> >
> > raz--------@-------- wrot--------font>
> >
> > > Salvete.
> > >
> > > I've been reading the posts that I believe spun off of this one,
> > > Vado's welcoming Maria Christiana, and before it Maria
> Christiana's
> > > initial post proudly proclaiming her new Nova Roma citizenship.
> I
> do
> > > not understand where the "fear of Vado" came from. However, this
> > > could be used as an example of the way one post can lead to a long
> > > thread with many people commenting on the this and that of what
> they
> > > read. Since this one talks about the ways NR has developed and
> how
> > > it
> > > can continue to develope, this thread is more on the Roman topic
> than
> > > some we have seen.
> > >
> > > Bene valete.
> > > C. Aelius Ericius.
> > >
> > > --- In novaroma@--------, "Nick Ford" <gens_moravia@d...>
> wrote:
> > > > Mariae Christianae salutem, and welcome to Nova Roma!
> > > > Scripsisiti:
> > > >
> > > > >Si valete valeo!
> > > > >
> > > > >I am Christiana, accepted into gens Maria, province of Canada
> > > > >Occidentalis, on September 30, 2000. By way of introduction, I
> am
> > > > >both worker and student and have been following your
> discussions
> > > from
> > > > >the sidelines for some time, waiting to join in until I had
> read
> > > the
> > > > >Constitution of Nova Roma, toured the Nova Roma site, and
> joined a
> > > > >familia. My interests are in all things Roman, with a
> particular
> > > > >interest in the language of Rome, in her laws and lawgivers,
> and in
> > > > >the process and product of pax Romana.
> > > >
> > > > >I look forward to meeting everyone and sharing in your
> discourse as
> > > > >time goes on, as the political wrangling of the few hopefully
> gives
> > > > >way to discussion of matters of general interest omnibus
> incolis
> > > > >Novae Romae (to all inhabitants of New Rome).
> > > >
> > > > >Legum serva sum ut libera esse possum.
> > > > >(I am a slave of the law so that I might be free)
> > > >
> > > > >Pax vobiscum et valete!
> > > >
> > > > Tibi respondeo: Hmm. At first, I felt much as you do when I
> first
> > > arrived
> > > > here. But "the political wrangling of the few", as you call it,
> is
> > > something
> > > > which happens periodically in this forum, when an exchange of
> erm...
> > > > information... raises issues such as unintentionally
> > > self-contradictory or
> > > > imprecise laws which can be interpreted differently to serve
> > > different
> > > > interests. Hoc est verbum sapientibus (here's a word to the
> wise).
> > > >
> > > > I believe some public political discussion of this nature is in
> the
> > > public
> > > > interest, so that citizens can see just what (and who) works in
> the
> > > public
> > > > interest, and what (or who) doesn't.
> > > >
> > > > It's all very well to describe oneself as a slave to the law
> who
> is
> > > thereby
> > > > free, but every man and woman in NR has a right to help make and
> > > re-make the
> > > > laws which bind us all - and this is done primarily through
> debate.
> > > >
> > > > If citizens never do so (which is of course also their right),
> and
> > > never ask
> > > > of a proposed or actual law: "Cui bono?" (to whose benefit is
> > > this?), they
> > > > may find one day that the laws they permitted by silent
> agreement
> > > have made
> > > > them slaves indeed.
> > > >
> > > > Those who don't care about politics will get the government, and
> > > the
> > > social
> > > > status, they deserve. The problem with that is, a lot of others
> > > won't.
> > > >
> > > > Good choice of gens, by the way.
> > > >
> > > > Pace,
> > > >
> > > > N. Moravius Vado.
> > >
>
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| Subject: |
Fw: [novaroma] Calendar: Idus or Eidus |
| From: |
"Gaius Marius Merullus" <c_marius_m@--------> |
| Date: |
Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:33:28 -0400 |
|
Salvete Marce Armini et alii
:
:When i was reading a book, i saw a depiction of a republican roman
calendar. The ides are marked by the word "EID" or "EIDUS".
Yes, I have seen the spelling EIDUS on prints of two different calendars
from the late Republic.
:
:
:But in the Nova Roma site, the roman dates uses the word "Idus". Are this a
option to the novaroman archives, or a small mistake? Or a even ancient
tradition that uses "IDUS"?
Good question. The spelling Idus is certainly not unique to Nova Roma, it's
the standard, dictionary spelling in every dictionary of classical Latin
that I've seen. Why the alternate spelling? I wish that I knew. EIDUS
pops up in inscriptions, on coins and calendars, but idus seems prevalent in
expanded texts. It is one more of many words that have variations in
spelling, even in the city of Roma itself, even in the same period. To me,
this is another illustration of one huge difference between classical Latin
and most modern languages: the lack of standardization.
I use Idus exclusively -- my life is confusing enough!
For what it's worth, however you spell the initial syllable, the word is
declined the same way. It is an irregular femine noun of the fourth
declension (irregular because most other nouns so declined are masculine):
nominative:
Idus or Eidus (all vowels long, so the second syllable rhymes with English
goose)
genitive:
Iduum or Eiduum (first syllable long, final short, second syllable should be
short but I have to pronounce it long)
dative:
Idibus or Eidibus (first syllable long, rest short)
accusative:
Idus or Eidus (all syllables long)
ablative:
Idibus or Eidibus (same as dative)
:
Valete
C Marius Merullus
Triumvir Sodalitatis Latinitatis
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] ATTN (Religio Romana): ante diem III Idus Octobres (October 13th) |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:43:39 +0100 |
|
Salvete omnes
This is a dies nefastus publicus (NP), a day for special religious
observance on which no legal action or public business can take place.
Today is the Fontinalia (or Fontanalia) in honour of Fontus (or Fons, v.
Varro, De Lingua Latina, 6, 22). Fons is the God of wells and fountains.
Today, the wells and fountains are crowned with garlands of flowers.
Arnobius (v. Arnobius, Adversus Nationes, 3, 29) says that Fons is
son-in-law of Volturnus and husband of Iuturna, Goddess of the waters.
Some scholars assign to Fons one of the 2 lost Flamines Minores.
The month of October is sacred to Mars.
Pax Deorum vobiscum
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Pontifex
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| Subject: |
Re: Fw: [novaroma] Calendar: Idus or Eidus |
| From: |
<gmvick32@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:08:27 -0600 |
|
Salvete Merullus:
I have three questions.
1. I see where you gave pronunciations, but would the first syllable really be
pronounced the same whether it started I- or Ei-?? This is verging into the
area of stupid questions, but Latin pronunciations baffle me.
2. Do we know anything about literacy rates among the Romans?? I would suspect
that the lack of standardization of any language would be due to literacy rates,
as well as the fact that all education was essentially non-mandated and private
education rather than compulsory.
>From what I know, languages aren't standardized until there is a high degree of
literacy in the population, and until something occurs like the codification of
a language in dictionary form. If my memory serves me, Samuel Johnson in the
1700's was the first to set down English in a dictionary. Before then,
divergence in the English language was rampant, but that was soon followed by
perhaps the greatest era of high literacy known to the English-speaking world
during the 1800s ( for both the UK and her upstart colony on this side of the
ocean.) -- though since TV I think literacy is suffering again as we pick up new
modes of media. Which leads to my third question:
3. Do we know if the Romans ever attempted anything akin to a dictionary?
Livia Cornelia Aurelia
Gaius Marius Merullus wrote:
> Salvete Marce Armini et alii
>
> :
> :When i was reading a book, i saw a depiction of a republican roman
> calendar. The ides are marked by the word "EID" or "EIDUS".
>
> Yes, I have seen the spelling EIDUS on prints of two different calendars
> from the late Republic.
> :
> :
> :But in the Nova Roma site, the roman dates uses the word "Idus". Are this a
> option to the novaroman archives, or a small mistake? Or a even ancient
> tradition that uses "IDUS"?
>
> Good question. The spelling Idus is certainly not unique to Nova Roma, it's
> the standard, dictionary spelling in every dictionary of classical Latin
> that I've seen. Why the alternate spelling? I wish that I knew. EIDUS
> pops up in inscriptions, on coins and calendars, but idus seems prevalent in
> expanded texts. It is one more of many words that have variations in
> spelling, even in the city of Roma itself, even in the same period. To me,
> this is another illustration of one huge difference between classical Latin
> and most modern languages: the lack of standardization.
>
> I use Idus exclusively -- my life is confusing enough!
>
> For what it's worth, however you spell the initial syllable, the word is
> declined the same way. It is an irregular femine noun of the fourth
> declension (irregular because most other nouns so declined are masculine):
>
> nominative:
>
> Idus or Eidus (all vowels long, so the second syllable rhymes with English
> goose)
>
> genitive:
>
> Iduum or Eiduum (first syllable long, final short, second syllable should be
> short but I have to pronounce it long)
>
> dative:
>
> Idibus or Eidibus (first syllable long, rest short)
>
> accusative:
>
> Idus or Eidus (all syllables long)
>
> ablative:
>
> Idibus or Eidibus (same as dative)
> :
> Valete
>
> C Marius Merullus
> Triumvir Sodalitatis Latinitatis
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Needs Of Nova Roma Citizens |
| From: |
jmath669642reng@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:53:14 -0400 (EDT) |
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Salvete, Omnes;
I enter this forum after reading some extensive notes on your thoughts
in regard to the above subject. To be sure, there are different kinds
of people in Nova Roma, and it is certain that there are those who have
different resources, education, background and experience than others.
My own experience has on occasion been criticized as "too military" in
nature and that accusation is very probably true, however, it is the
only background that I have to offer. As I have explained recently to a
citizen, my life really started in the Navy on submarines, where in the
diesel navy you completed your tasks as assigned or were transferred.
You kept your place until you had proven yourself to the crew, and you
recieved your status, therein, from them and not from yourself. There
were no written rules for becoming one with the crew, prudence and study
was the order of the day and your senior's orders were to be carried out
with zeal and dispatch. If your senior were made to look good, then and
only then did you recieve your recognition in turn. If I sometimes
demonstrate the results of that early training, again, it is who I am.
In the case of my friend Vado, who has served as one of my Consular
Advisors and Chaplain for the most part of my term as Consul, I think
his services excellent and his views perceptive. He has given me many
new ideas, and different views of old ideas. I hold him in great
esteem, but he has much the same view as do I to the world, or at least
he certainly understands the basic me.
Another excellent gentleman who has also served me long and well as my
Senior Consular Advisor, and serves in his own right as Senator and
Censor Suffex. He has imparted his wisdom to me on many occasions.
However this gentleman has no military background, and his views are
wrought from a totally different fabric than mine.
These two men, however have a common ideal in that they are concerned in
regard to NovaRoma, they want to move this republic ahead, and they are
willing to devote a large portion of thier time and effort towards that
goal. To my mind that buys them some consideration in the ways in which
they approach thier efforts and the people of NovaRoma, not that they
have more rights and priveledges than others, but that perhaps they have
a detailed plan for the time they are devotng to this republic, and they
are getting about thier proposed task. If such is true, does that make
them less than human because they have a plan, have and are pursuing
such to an end, and are busy making decisions which to their mind will
forward this republic? Does this "threaten" others who have not made
similar arrangements and commitments. Well, I am not sure, but to me
the former are of great value while the latter have still to prove
thiers to me. Perhaps this is a barbaric view, but from my scant
studies of the Roman Culture, I glean that he who helps himself and his
state is helped by his gods, whoever they may be and the above menu in
very, very Roman.
Some comments have been made regarding how do I get involved? How do I
resolve my needs with the needs of this micronation? Why do people
drift away from Nova Roma? Why doesn't Nova Roma present a friendlier
side to newcomers? While the questions are all good ones, and require
answers, where are the answers to come from if not from the Citizens,
themselves. I have asked many times, both of the general citizenship
and of the membership in both of the Sodalitas that I have some small
involvement with;
--What are your ideas?
--What is your desired direction?
--What do you need to know?
--What can you share in our common goal?
And all to often I recieve little in response. I, in my turn, do not
know what your needs are, I do not know how you may be useful in this
republic, do not have a list of your skills, your views, your
disappoinments and your hopes, so when a citizen "drifts away" or simpy
leaves under another "unarguable" reason (family health, job) what would
you have those of us do who have some small ability to make a
difference? In the absence of response, I then place my views, ideas,
direction and needs in place because I like nature abhor a vacuum.
Those who have e-mailed me with questions, I have responded to, those
who have not agreed with my responses certainly have the right to do so,
and if they can show me the error of my ways, I, in my turn, will
reconsider my position. But like most Senior Magistrates, I hold my
position with honor, and pride as one given to me by the Citizens of NR.
To me that means that I must read the responses of my colleagues,
determine my answers, and move forward in our goal to forward the
republic to a position of greater recognition in our world. To that
end, every day, I make decisions with or without input as my position
demands that I do, and every decision impacts someone in NR for good or
ill. Hopefully I do more good than ill to this republic for it is my
desire to do so. But it is my responsibility as the citizens of Nova
Roma have indicated that I shall further the cause of this republic,
with or without citizen input, and so I and the other Senior Magistrates
and Magistrates all, do the best we can with what abilities and
information we have.
I have brought forward to the Senate Fathers two Sodalitas' based on
needs as I saw then, the needs of Nova Roma at the time, and have
recruited excellent people to staff them, and move thier efforts
forward, and in doing so have probably turned off some people who do not
agree with my methodology and needs, but as I do not know of thier
objections can do little to evaluate the situation or alter my methods.
Other Sodalitas are currently being formed for the same or similar
purposes. None of these Sodalitas have anywhere near reached their
limit of effectiveness for this republic and to do so requires the
efforts, skills and ideas of the citizens of Nova Roma.
The above is who I am, and is reflective of the way I do things, simply
because these methods have worked well for me in the past, while other
methods have not. It is not my intention to hurt anyone, but I feel
that I have the right to courtesy as well. I have in the past extended
my hand as a helping gesture, only to have it bitten by an individual(s)
who did not understand my gesture for what it was, so I have not been so
vocal for some time. I have in the course of my time in NR, been
involved in much of the political and military discussion, simply
because I am not of the Religio Romano, my poetic ability reaches it's
zenith with "Roses are red--------", my singing pains the ears of those
around me, I am barely conversant in English much less a distinguised
language like Latin, I have little skill in expressing myself since I
usually manage to offend those whom I address, and philosophy in
discussion gives me a headache (Grin!!!).
However, all is not darkness, as we have some excellent people working
with those who are interested in the various NR Sodalitas'. We have
websites being created as we speak that should move toward answering the
needs of newcomers. Livia Cornelia, and Pompeia Stabo have done wonders
with thier areas of responsibilities and my Consular Staff have been
most effective in ferreting out information and making needed proposals.
In closing, I would say that while I do the best I am able, that often
is not enough and I am well aware of that. To that end I have recruited
others who are of like mind in advancing this republic to fill in the
"empty spots." Those whom I have asked to be a part of my organizations
have shown me that they are willing to work, have the interests of NR at
heart, and have some time, effort and skills to expend in the republic's
behalf. Again I am guilty of being selective, but I fear that is the
way of the world. I am always available to answer questions of the Civs
who have such for me, even if it takes some time to get back to them.
If I have failed in your view in some large or small way, I would
appreciate your alerting me, and if I have offended anyone greatly
(without being offended in my turn by you), I would also like to know of
it. Lastly, if there is anything that I can do to make this Republic
more "friendly" to newcomers, and to restrain older members from
"drifting away" I shall be most pleased to listen.
I, in my turn, must apologize for the length of this message, but it
seems to me in the light of recent discussions, that these things needed
to be said.
Valete, Respectfully;
Marcus Audens
Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
Re: Fw: [novaroma] Calendar: Idus or Eidus |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:06:47 +0100 |
|
Salve
I think that EIDUS may be an archaic form of IDUS. As you know the Romans
were very conservative and proud of their ancestors it is thus possible that
an "EIDUS" form present in earlier calendars was copied later.
Nevertheless, I don't think the reason is illiteracy.
Vale
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
-----Original Message-----
From: gmvick32@-------- <gmvick32@-------->
To: novaroma@-------- <novaroma@-------->
Date: Sexta-feira, 13 de Outubro de 2000 15:45
Subject: Re: Fw: [novaroma] Calendar: Idus or Eidus
>Salvete Merullus:
>
>I have three questions.
>
>1. I see where you gave pronunciations, but would the first syllable really
be
>pronounced the same whether it started I- or Ei-?? This is verging into
the
>area of stupid questions, but Latin pronunciations baffle me.
>
>2. Do we know anything about literacy rates among the Romans?? I would
suspect
>that the lack of standardization of any language would be due to literacy
rates,
>as well as the fact that all education was essentially non-mandated and
private
>education rather than compulsory.
>
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] Needs Of Nova Roma Citizens |
| From: |
<gmvick32@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:43:59 -0600 |
|
Salvete, Omnes:
I don't think Audens means I haven't been vocal, but maybe he does, so here
it is:
jmath669642reng@-------- wrote:
> Salvete, Omnes;
>
> Some comments have been made regarding how do I get involved?
One comment I haven't made before.....get involved by volunteering. It may
seem like a daunting task, but do what I did....I grabbed the first
magistrate I saw, and said "What do you need done?" Fortunately for me,
that magistrate was Audens, and he likes volunteers.
> How do I resolve my needs with the needs of this micronation?
Stop worrying about your needs and ask....what does Nova Roma need of me?
And then....can I provide it?
> Why do people drift away from Nova Roma? Why doesn't Nova Roma present a
> friendlier
> side to newcomers? While the questions are all good ones, and require
> answers, where are the answers to come from if not from the Citizens,
> themselves. I have asked many times, both of the general citizenship
> and of the membership in both of the Sodalitas that I have some small
> involvement with;
>
> --What are your ideas?
My ideas are many, some include:
- Wouldn't it be great to start a library fund sometime where we could raise
money and get copies of the Loeb classical library or other classics in
libraries that other wise might not be able to afford them? I've donated
lots of my own personal collection to local libraries, and it's edifying to
go back, see the book on the shelf, and see that others have checked them
out. How many minds could we reach this way?
- Wouldn't it be great to start Nova Roman book clubs in different areas of
interest?? For example, wouldn't it be great to organize a book club where
everybody interested in Cicero would read the same thing, then come together
for a series on online discussions about the reading?? It doesn't have to be
limited to Cicero. It would help me focus....too often I'm spread out over
lots of areas, and I don't like studying in a vacuum anymore.
- Wouldn't it be great to get local/regional gatherings together??? I, for
one, am not alone in trying this out.....and unfortunately my little
Saturnalia 2000 proposal isn't generating interest. Wrong time of year, and
an expensive vacation, I understand. I am not disheartened, I will be back
with a new proposal for gathering.
- Wouldn't it be great to do outreach to every classical studies department
in every university? Maria Lauria is piloting this effort now at BU, and
there is only room for growth.
- Wouldn't it be great to build something with our own hands, using Roman
engineering methods? One of our legions, in upstate NY, has plans to build
a Roman fortification. Others have spoken to me about building a temple. I
would love to participate in either of these projects.
- Wouldn't it be great to organize a Nova Roma trip to Rome? I proposed
this to my gens, and they were all atwitter. I still need to work on the
proposal, but the idea would be to go, rent a house, and see the sights. We
were looking at sometime a few years in the future so we could all save
away.
- My BIG dream: wouldn't it be great if even a few Nova Roman households
chose to cluster together into an intentional community, preferable at a
time when I could participate. The idea here would be for us to live in the
same location, design and build the housing ourselves, come up with a
community charter, and coexist as an extended family with a common purpose.
- My other BIG dream: Wouldn't it be great, in that community, to begin a
charter school where we had control over how and what our children learned,
and included a healthy dose of the classics?
> --What is your desired direction?
My desired direction is:
1. To build Nova Roman infrastructure so we have more tools at our disposal
to attract, inform and interest good citizens.
2. To increase the number of citizens in my region so that me and Corvus
aren't the lone Nova Romans in Colorado and so that we have a strong network
of cives in the heart of the western U.S.
3. To improve my knowledge and participation in the religio romana.
4. To REMEMBER to carve out time for reading the history, philosophy, and
literature of Roma, which I love best.
> --What do you need to know?
That my paterfamilias, senators, and magistrates approve of my efforts and
are available to me as needed. (and, for the record, I already know this)
> --What can you share in our common goal?
All I can share is myself. I give to Nova Roma, as much as my time allows,
my experience in making software, building organizations, and marketing
products. I am currently an organizational development consultant to
software companies, and I'm also a software systems analyst. Make use of
that as you will.
In short, I've been with Nova Roma since July of this year, and I've found
plenty of open doors for involvement. Nova Roma is what we each make of
it. What will you do, who are not already doing something, to share in the
effort?
For those who don't know, I'm currently involved in:
- developing websites and getting others involved in developing websites for
Sodalitas Militarium, Sodalitas Egressus, and my gens.
- serving as the acting Legate for Militarium Engineering and Cartography
while Audens is Consul
- serving as a Rogator suffecti in the upcoming elections
- and there is more in the works for Livia....
Livia Cornelia Aurelia
> Valete, Respectfully;
> Marcus Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Quid pro Quo |
| From: |
"Nicolaus Moravius" <n_moravius@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:20:59 GMT |
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Quid pro Quo
Sic Maria Christiana:
>Thank you, Vado, for your comments and the soul-searching they indicate.
Er... yeah. I looked, and yes, I DO have one (at least you allow me that
much), and its liver was quite prominent (if rather inflamed). So I have
decided to be more candid with you than you have been with us so far. I
shall leave out the parts that have already been answered by others.
>Vado, you may, of course, think "probably" about anything or anyone,
>including me, yet
>I ask, please, hold your thinking private until you know me better? You
> >have no way, at this point, of knowing what I "probably" would
>like or not like, do or not do, because you, at this point, do not know me
>well enough to make such public assumptions. Or make such assumptions
>public.
Tu quoque, puella. Your first and second posts to Nova Roma have left us all
in no doubt that you think I'm a Social Darwinist who eponymises a cadre of
bullying egomanes in NR who are about as solicitous of its future growth as
a fledgling cuckoo is of sibling piety - or, that this is what you want
others to think.
>Nor do I understand the part about people "saying bad things with using
>question marks." There is little point, Vado, in using
>inside allusions to an outsider, unless you explain the allusions. If your
>comments are intended to explain something to me, they've missed their
>mark. (Perhaps I had my head down at that point, trying to >miss the slings
>and arrows...) In any event, when I, myself, use >question marks, it is
>because I, myself, have questions.
When you accused me of being such an overbearing brute, you contrived to do
this by suffixing question marks to your smears. This is an old rhetorical
trick, both underhand and disingenuous. The question mark is as offensively
damaging in skilled hands as the Dacian scythe it resembles - especially
when it is used in a broad, sweeping manner.
>Speaking only for myself, some very clear maps would be appreciated >for
>those of us who are at times directionally challenged.
I, and others, whom you have also insulted by generically linking them with
your defamatory caricature of me, have already suggested, more gently than I
think you deserve, that you simply cool it and hang around NR for a while,
and get the lie of the place.
Nova Roma is a big place already, and like Roma Antiqua, it's not too easy
to find your way around at first. You could have asked anyone for
directions, like other new cives have done: "Hi, I'm So-and-So, these are my
interests, what can I do to help?"
Instead you preferred to make straight for the rostrum and attacked one of
the speakers - someone you don't even know - then you complain that the
Forum's an edgey place. What do you expect? And if you insist on picking
fights with strange people in a strange place, don't be surprised if they
defend themselves, and you get hurt in the process.
You can, of course, feign shocked surprise, and protest again that you were
only asking questions. Well, puella, it's not so much what one does, as the
way one does it...
Edepol! You walk in here and do what I've never seen any other newcomer do,
which is go straight for someone's throat. Incredible. Your actions would
make a more cynical and suspicious person than I am believe that someone put
you up to it. Unless...
>A final "finally
" You say, "Read the archives. See who
>has spoken about what
" Vado, again, you make public assumptions >about one
>whom you know not.
Bene'st. If you do not wish to take advantage of the excuse that you are
ignorant and don't know any better, so be it. You condemn yourself. Your
style is beginning to remind me of someone who is not the stranger to Nova
Roma you claim to be.
Perhaps it's just the way you've made yourself at home here so quickly with
that forensic style of yours.
Anyway, whichever your intent, you made a 'good' choice of gens, as I said
before.
By the way, I'm off for a few days, so you'll have to tease other dogs into
biting. Just to prove how vicious they are.
Vado.
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Graecus is away for a few days |
| From: |
"Antonio Grilo" <amg@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:37:22 +0100 |
|
Salvete omnes
My wife is going to be submitted to a diagnosis cirurgical operation next
Tuesday. I will be away until Wednesday afternoon.
Nothing to worry about, but any prayers are welcome.
Valete
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] notice |
| From: |
Lykaion1@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:19:53 -0000 |
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Personal email to the censors did not go through.
I am resigned effective 10/13/00
Gaius Lupinius Festus
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] 1st Collegiate Chapter |
| From: |
"Lauriat" <blauriat@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:09:34 -0400 |
|
Salvete!
I would like to announce that Nova Roma, BU has been officially recognized as a student group of Boston University with a membership of over 20 students (and over 10 who regularly go to meetings, which is actually pretty good). There is an E-Board of four and one official mascot (me). Most of the members who regularly go to meetings have said that they will apply or are in the process of applying for citizenship.
We have already started planning events. Our first event will probably be an I Claudius marathon in November. If there are any Nova Romans in the Boston area who would like to stop by for any of our meetings and/or events let me know and I will provide more details when I have them. I would really love for a Nova Roma veteran to come to a meeting and conduct a kind of Nova Roma "workshop." Our meetings are usually on Tuesdays or Thursdays at 9 pm.
Any mail for Nova Roma, BU should be sent to:
Nova Roma, BU
Student Activities Office
775 Comm Ave (4th Fl N)
Boston, MA 02215
We should soon have a web page and an email address if all continues to go well. Until then any digital correspondence can be directed to me.
So now, I was sort of wondering, since BU recognized this little group officially, would the real Nova Roma perhaps consider recognizing this group officially in some capacity?
Yours truly,
Lauria Maria Crispa
Nova Roma, BU Official Mascot
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: notice |
| From: |
JDujaleSmith@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:38:31 -0000 |
|
--- In novaroma@--------, Lykaion1@c... wrote:
> Personal email to the censors did not go through.
>
> I am resigned effective 10/13/00
>
> Gaius Lupinius Festus
As my husband did, I resign effective today.
Maria Lupinia Iosephina
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| Subject: |
Re: [novaroma] 1st Collegiate Chapter |
| From: |
<gmvick32@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:07:13 -0600 |
|
Congratulations, Lauria, on all your work. May you all enjoy enjoy good fortune in your membership, and with your studies.
I am curious, did you need to file a charter, bylaws, etc. with BU? If so, it could be helpful to future efforts at setting up student chapters for the Sodalitas Egressus to have a copy.
I can't determine the issue of official sponsorship, but it makes sense and I recommend that Nova Roma institute a new provision for local-level chapters, to include student groups, legions (we already sort of have that), and other local groups that want to band together in a recognized way.
If you need help pushing that idea Lauria, I'll be glad to pitch in. There is precedent for you with officially sponsored Legions.
Valete,
Livia Cornelia Aurelia
Lauriat wrote:
> Salvete!
>
> I would like to announce that Nova Roma, BU has been officially recognized as a student group of Boston University with a membership of over 20 students (and over 10 who regularly go to meetings, which is actually pretty good). There is an E-Board of four and one official mascot (me). Most of the members who regularly go to meetings have said that they will apply or are in the process of applying for citizenship.
> We have already started planning events. Our first event will probably be an I Claudius marathon in November. If there are any Nova Romans in the Boston area who would like to stop by for any of our meetings and/or events let me know and I will provide more details when I have them. I would really love for a Nova Roma veteran to come to a meeting and conduct a kind of Nova Roma "workshop." Our meetings are usually on Tuesdays or Thursdays at 9 pm.
>
> Any mail for Nova Roma, BU should be sent to:
> Nova Roma, BU
> Student Activities Office
> 775 Comm Ave (4th Fl N)
> Boston, MA 02215
>
> We should soon have a web page and an email address if all continues to go well. Until then any digital correspondence can be directed to me.
>
> So now, I was sort of wondering, since BU recognized this little group officially, would the real Nova Roma perhaps consider recognizing this group officially in some capacity?
>
> Yours truly,
> Lauria Maria Crispa
> Nova Roma, BU Official Mascot
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] Re: 1st Collegiate Chapter |
| From: |
razenna@-------- |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:56:34 -0000 |
|
CONGRATULATIONS! Felcitations too. This is truly a praiseworthy
accomplishment. Please feel free to contact me for support. True,
3000 miles makes any support most likely to be moral, but I will make
a point of doing what I can to help with this endeavor.
Di Deaeque te ament.
Bene vale.
C. Aelius Ericius.
Senator. Augur. Pontifex.
Paterfamilias gens Aelia.
--- In novaroma@--------, "Lauriat" <blauriat@b...> wrote:
> Salvete!
>
> I would like to announce that Nova Roma, BU has been officially
recognized as a student group of Boston University with a membership
of over 20 students (and over 10 who regularly go to meetings, which
is actually pretty good). There is an E-Board of four and one
official
mascot (me). Most of the members who regularly go to meetings have
said that they will apply or are in the process of applying for
citizenship.
> We have already started planning events. Our first event will
probably be an I Claudius marathon in November. If there are any
Nova
Romans in the Boston area who would like to stop by for any of our
meetings and/or events let me know and I will provide more details
when I have them. I would really love for a Nova Roma veteran to come
to a meeting and conduct a kind of Nova Roma "workshop." Our meetings
are usually on Tuesdays or Thursdays at 9 pm.
>
> Any mail for Nova Roma, BU should be sent to:
> Nova Roma, BU
> Student Activities Office
> 775 Comm Ave (4th Fl N)
> Boston, MA 02215
>
> We should soon have a web page and an email address if all
continues
to go well. Until then any digital correspondence can be directed to
me.
>
> So now, I was sort of wondering, since BU recognized this little
group officially, would the real Nova Roma perhaps consider
recognizing this group officially in some capacity?
>
> Yours truly,
> Lauria Maria Crispa
> Nova Roma, BU Official Mascot
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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| Subject: |
[novaroma] ANN: Additions to the Internet Ancient History Sourcebook |
| From: |
"Jerome S. Arkenberg" <varromurena@--------> |
| Date: |
Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:06:37 -0700 (PDT) |
|
The following selections have now been added to the
Internet Ancient History Sourcebook
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/asbooknew.html
:
Diogenes Laėrtius: The Lives and Opinions of Eminent
Philosophers Book VI: The Cynics [Antisthenes,
Diogenes, Monimus, Onesicritus, Crates, Metrocles,
Hipparchia, Menippus, Menedemus.][At this
Site][added 10/11/2000]
Diogenes Laėrtius: The Lives and Opinions of Eminent
Philosophers The Sceptics: Life of Pyrrho [At this
Site][added 10/11/2000]
Diogenes Laėrtius: The Lives and Opinions of Eminent
Philosophers: Book VII: The Stoics [Zeno, Ariston,
Herillus, Dionysius, Cleanthes, Sphaerus, Chrysippus]
[At this Site][added 10/11/2000]
Aristotle: Spartan Women [At this Site][added
10/11/2000]
Letter of Pabi, Prince of Lachish, to Akhnaton, King
of Kemet (i.e. Egypt), circa 1350 BCE.
Strabo: Geography: Book XV: On India [At this
Site][added 10/11/2000]
Arrian: Anabasis Alexandri: Book VIII (Indica) [At
this Site][added 10/11/2000]
Pliny: Natural History 6.96-111. (On India) [At this
Site][added 10/11/2000]
The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea: Travel and Trade
in the Indian Ocean by a Merchant of the First Century
[At this Site][added 10/11/2000]
India and the Mediterranean: Bibliography [At this
Site][added 10/11/2000]
The Rosetta Stone: Translation of the Greek Section
[PDF file at Rosetta.com] or HTML version
Cicero (105-43 BCE): The Second Philippic [At this
Site][added 10/11/2000]
Chart: Roman Government Under Augustus [GIF File][At
this Site][added 10/11/2000]
Chart: Roman Government: Checks and Balances [From
Polybius, Histories, 6] [At this Site][added
10/11/2000]
Chinese Accounts of Rome, Byzantium and the Middle
East, c. 91 B.C.E. - 1643 C.E. [At this Site][added
10/10/2000]
=====
Jerome S. Arkenberg
Department of History, California State University Fullerton
Editor, Pre-Modern & Modern World History http://www.onelist.com/group/PreModernWorldHistory http://www.onelist.com/group/ModernWorldHistory.
Editor, Ancient Mediterranean History http://www.egroups.com/group/AncientMed
Associate Editor, H-Law http://www.h-net.msu.edu/~law/editorbio.html
Contributing Editor, Internet History Sourcebooks Project http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/thanks.html
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