Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Pater/Materfamilias guidelines
From:	SyanneRose@--------
Date:	Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:37:47 EDT

Salve Sulla,

Excellent points made. It does bring a question, what happens if the
Mater/Pater familles is absent?
As it is in our case, myself and my Frater Alexander Probus. Our beloved
Mater, Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia is absent for a while. Who will be
in charge of the Gens Iulia Caesaria? I'm asking this in case if new civies
want to join. Any comments or answers to this question will be greatly
appreciated.

Vale
Aeternia

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Subject:	Re: [novaroma] Pater/Materfamilias guidelines
From:	"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@-------->
Date:	Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:34:48 -0700

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Subject: Re: [novaroma] Pater/Materfamilias guidelines


> Salve Sulla,
>
> Excellent points made. It does bring a question, what happens if the
> Mater/Pater familles is absent?

Well, I would think that would kinda depend on the absence. Nocta notified
everyone including the Censors. But, when there are absences, among
Pater/Materfamilias there really is vagueness. One can do what Nocta does
and just notify everyone, which is perfectly fine. :) Or one can do what
Vado just did and say that the acting Pater of his Gens is Piscinus. Both
choices are perfectly acceptable. And, from a Censor point of view, I would
prefer Vado's choice in the event that we the Censors need to contact a
Pater/Mater for a specific reason.

I know that if I was unavailable for a period longer than three days I would
appoint a gens member to act as Pater while I am unavailable. I liked
Vado's post about designating subordinates to act while he is away.

> As it is in our case, myself and my Frater Alexander Probus. Our beloved
> Mater, Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia is absent for a while. Who will
be
> in charge of the Gens Iulia Caesaria?

My best guess would be no one. Unlike Vado's post, Nocta did not name a
successor.

I'm asking this in case if new civies
> want to join. Any comments or answers to this question will be greatly
> appreciated.

I understand your concern. But I dont think my opinion will satisfy your
question but pending further informaiton from Nocta, there isnt much we can
do as Censors.

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


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Subject:	[novaroma] New file uploaded to novaroma
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Date:	19 Oct 2000 02:04:09 -0000

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Subject:	[novaroma] Roma from orbit
From:	Razenna <razenna@-------->
Date:	Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:09:57 -0700

I added the photo to the Graphics folder, and the link to the links
section of the Egroups novaroma site. For those of you who can get
it, here is the link right now

http://earth.jsc.nasa.gov/lores.cgi?PHOTO=STS060-090-028

If you wish the high resolution picture, backtrack on the NASA site.

C. Aelius Ericius


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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Pater/Materfamilias
From:	Razenna <razenna@-------->
Date:	Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:12:33 -0700

Salve Aeternia [Tink], omnes.

Materfamilias is not an office. It is not to be looked on in that
light. It is not the Consul, or even the Dictator of a respublica.
The Materfamilias, Paterfamilias, is the head of the Family. Almost
everyone has a family. What happens when Mom or Dad is away? You go
along however best you can til they come back. A family does not
appoint a new chairman because the parents are away in the
Adirondacks. If the parental unit is permanently disabled then the
family might look to a new head. The Fates forfend, if the head
departs, through walking or being carried, then there must be a new
head of the family chosen. In Real Families (and Nova Roma says it
is part of the Real World) the choice is made within the family. The
outside legal system might say that Billie isn't old enough to run the
family, might say that it knows better (and probably doesn't), but
that is after the initial points of
I. Is the Head of the Family away, or kaput?
II. If kaput -- It is Family business. The Family makes the
decisions. Not some bureaucrats. In Roma Antigua the role fell to
the next senior male. Nova Roma does not restrict these things by
gender. The ages of citizens being clumped as they are, I could see
the choosing of a new Head of the Family (Mater- Pater- familias)
being made by the familia deciding on its own. And, of course, the
laws that have been passed would then be brought to bear to judge the
choice on age.

But Nocturnia is still around. I chatted with her last night. She
is ill. But her doctor has an idea for a medicine that she might not
be allergic to and that might work. The old girl ain't on her bier
yet. [that was b-I-e-r, not two "e"s. =({[;-) ]

Family CAN not be legislated.

Valete.
C. Aelius Ericius.

--- In novaroma@--------, SyanneRose@c... wrote:
> Salve Sulla,
>
> Excellent points made. It does bring a question, what happens if the

> Mater/Pater familles is absent?
> As it is in our case, myself and my Frater Alexander Probus. Our
beloved
> Mater, Augustina Iulia Caesaria Nocturnia is absent for a while. Who
will be
> in charge of the Gens Iulia Caesaria? I'm asking this in case if new
civies
> want to join. Any comments or answers to this question will be
greatly
> appreciated.
>
> Vale
> Aeternia


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Subject:	[novaroma] Absence
From:	<gmvick32@-------->
Date:	Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:30:56 -0600

Salvete, Omnes:

I am taking an extended absence from the list and am not
sure when I'll be back on. If I have open discussions with
any of you I'll be in touch privately.

Valete,

Livia Cor. Aurelia



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Subject:	[novaroma] New Citizen
From:	"Catja " <ponton.3@-------->
Date:	Thu, 19 Oct 2000 07:35:41 -0000

Salvete Omnes!

I may be jumping the gun a bit here; I've been welcomed by my
materfamilias, and by Patricia Cassia to this forum, but I'm not
certain whether that counts as an "official" confirmation of
citizenship. That wasn't a criticism -- I know you all are busy, and
there's certainly no rush! If this is premature, I apologize for the
breach of decorum; however, I come in peace!

Anyway, I'd like to introduce myself as a new member of gens Iulia
(Happy Birthday, Vopisca Iulia Cocceia!). My undergrad work was in
comparative mythology; I am now completing an MA in folklore at Ohio
State University, and also applying to PhD programs in that field (ye
gods, have mercy -- please let it be Harvard or Cornell!). My
interests are Greek and Roman paganism (especially Mercurius, Venus,
and Hecate), philosophy, politics, and dealings with barbarians. I'd
like to get re-acquainted with Latin; I've still got some Greek, but
I've forgotten almost all of what little Latin I knew <sigh> -- but
I'm certain participating in NR will bring some of it back!

I've been following this list for a while, and I've really enjoyed
reading the posts; there are so many intelligent, articulate, and
witty people here that the debates, even at their most acrimonious,
are a joy to read. That said, I'm looking forward to getting to know
everyone here, and I offer my services to anyone who may need them.

Valete,
Camilla Iulia Circe, a barbarian who aspires to citizenship




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Subject:	[novaroma] new citizenship
From:	"Enric Ferrer" <enric.ferrer@-------->
Date:	Thu, 19 Oct 2000 12:16:20 +0200

Interscan ha encontrado este mansaje libre de virus.
L.MINICIUS CIVIBUS OMNIBUS NOVAE ROMAE S.P.D.

Saluete,

I would like to introduce myself as a new NovaRoma citizen and also to apologize for doing it with a certain delay. Barcinone habito, I'm from Hispania Citerior, I was born in the sixties and I'm coursing classical studies at present. I came across NR a few months ago and I got catched with the project. I soon subscribed the main list and since then I've been quietly following your contributions and trying to get on. I'm learning a lot with your arguments, and I would like to thank-you all. Lately I've also subscribed Sodalitas Latinitas.

Concerning with new citizenship, I’m glad to agree with most of you that having some initial senior guidance would help us a lot. Specially for those like me who are far away from any other NR citizen. I think, in fact the nearest ciues I have is probably Pontificex Gryllus, in Lusitania, since, according with the album ciuium, there aren't any other NR citizens from Hispania Citerior neither from Hispania Vlterior yet....am I wrong?

I feel closest to NR community day by day and it's my aim to soon be in conditions to contribute actively with our res publica. Probably one of my firsts duties, which would also be helpful to me, should be to try to colonize these territories and to promote Hispania Citerior as a new NR provincia. I'll like to work on this direction and any helping advice will be welcomed.

Curate et ualete - Laietanus



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Subject:	[novaroma] Salve Camillae
From:	Piscinus@--------
Date:	Thu, 19 Oct 2000 08:41:11 EDT

Moravius Piscinus Camillae Iuliae Circe SPD:

I am very pleased to find you joining with us. In mi paterfamilias'
absence I extend the warmest of welcomes to you from all in gens Moravia.
Vive benissime in Nova Roma et Provincia Laci Magni (confirmation of your
citizenship will come in time).

Also on behalf of gens Moravia, allow me to take this opportunity to wish
your mater familias Iuliae a very happy birthday. A very warm woman, a
pleasure to all of us in gens Moravia. Buona feste di natale, Vospisca!

OHIO STATE!? PRO DI CONSENTES! Ever come up to U. of Akron or Kent
State way? If ever you travel north, care to have a live chat beside mi
piscina? An exchange of myths and a discussion of comparative mythology, a
most entertaining eve.
As for less than live chats, I am usually found weekday mornings in our
taverna (chat room) at the Forum Romanum. About 8:00 AM EDST every weekday I
meet with my friend Marco Attilio in Roma to discuss archaeology and exhibits
currently in Rome. To see some of the cultural events currently on the
Capotiline Marco sent this site to me just this morning:

www.comune.roma.it/cultura/

Need to brush up on your Italian too? Don't worry, you'll enjoy looking
around this site anyway. This is a good site to see what archaeological
sites in Rome are newly opened, what exhibits are in town, like the current
Cleopatra exhibit, in case you may wish to travel. And if you can't travel
now, Marco is very good at giving virtual tours of the city he loves so well.
For your reacquaintance with Latin join us in the Sodalitas Latinitatis.
I am one of the current officers of our group (the one who knows the least
amount of Latin). If you would like to learn more about our group you may
find our elist at:

www.egroups.com/latinitas

There is a new sodalitas forming now, the Sodalitas Musarum, on the
various arts inspired by the Muses. There are a few other sodalitates and
several different lists to cover whichever interests you may have, or answer
any questions you may wish to ask.
If there is anything I may assist you with, please, do contact me at my
above email address, or otherwise stop in for a chat sometime.

Di deaeque te semper ament. Vale!

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Subject:	[novaroma] testing...
From:	"Caius Flavius Diocletianus" <3s@-------->
Date:	Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:17:42 +0200

Salvete all,

Due to some problems with my email-configuration I try to send this to the
main list.

Hope it works.

Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus


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Subject:	[novaroma] Testing part II
From:	"Caius Flavius Diocletianus" <3s@-------->
Date:	Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:58:35 +0200

it works! ...great!

Sorry for sending this spam, but it seems the problems came from egroups.

Valete
Caius Flavius Diocletianus


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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: New List
From:	razenna@--------
Date:	Thu, 19 Oct 2000 16:55:50 -0000

I have been unable to find this list, NovaRomaLaws, in Egroups.

C. Aelius Ericius.

--- In novaroma@--------, "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...>
wrote:
> Ave quirites
>
> In an effort to alleviate traffic on this list and to foster
> additional and more detailed conversation on the specialized
> subject of ancient Roman and Nova Roman law, I have created
> a list called NovaRomaLaws@--------
>
> Here is the description for the list:
>
> This list will be about the discussion of Nova Roma Laws in
> all capacities. Not only past laws, but the lawmaking
> progress. This list also will focus on ancient Rome's
> laws, both Republican and Imperial. The same scope will be
> given (discussion on ancient laws and the law making process
> and implementation.)
>
> I hope that some of our legal experts, past magistrates and
> future magistrates might join this list so that we all can
> have an opportunity to gain knowledge from each other!
>
> A long term goal would be the creation of a Sodalitas
> focusing on law and political science.
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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Subject:	[novaroma] The Armilustrium
From:	"Lucius Equitius" <vze23hw7@-------->
Date:	Thu, 19 Oct 2000 14:21:14 -0400

Modern Date : October 19th Market Day

The Armilustrium
This day (NP), is for special religious observance.
The Armilustrium is the day the army is lustrated, or purified. The army would be assembled and reviewed in the Circus Maximus, garlanded with flowers and the trumpets (tubae) would be played as part of the purification rites. This is one of the festival day and the temples would sacrifice, then prepare feasts from the animals sacrificed, and the public and poor were invited. Games, music, dancing, singing and wine-drinking would conclude the festivities.
As a military festival, this day is sacred to Mars.

19 October XIV KAL. NOV. NP Dies religiosus
ARMILUSTIUM

The beginning of the campaigning season in March had been marked by the dancing of the Salii through the streets (p. 85), the Equirria (p. 89), the Quinquatrus and the Tubilustrium (p. 92), so its end in October saw the ceremonies of the October horse and the Armilustrium when the army had to be purified from the dangerous infection that it may have incurred from contact with bloodshed and strangers. This was a festival in honour of Mars; his Salian priests probably once again danced and sang through the streets, during the sacrifices tubae were sounded, and the arma and ancillia were purified and then put away until the next year. It appears from Plutarch and Varro that the lustratio was performed on the Aventine 'ad Circum Maximum' in an open space called Armilustrium (it lay south of the church of S. Sabina), the Aventine possibly being the last point in the procession of the Salii. note 261
An entry in the Praenestine calendar seems to apply to 20 October, but it could be a note to the previous day's Armilustrium. It runs '[...] sanguinem gustare antea frequenter solebant' (they frequently used blood to taste blood before'). This presumably refers to the tasting of blood from the sacrifice, a practice which had apparently ceased by the time of Augustus when the calendar was composed.

Mars nos protegas
Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus

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Subject:	[novaroma] Re: Pater/Materfamilias guidelines
From:	"pjane@-------- " <pjane@-------->
Date:	Thu, 19 Oct 2000 22:27:43 -0000

> 1. Guidance for newbies
> 2. Promoting their Gens members via political and religious offices
> 3. Keeping their gens members informed on NR events like Sodalias
and other goings on...
> 4. Approving new members
> 5. Being available to all Gens members as needed.
> 6. Conflict management between members of the same gens
> 7. Conflict management between members of other Gens.
> 8. Promotion of the Gens within NR and outside of NR.

I would say that item 5 should be "as reasonably possible," given
that
many people's lives do not allow them to be available on an unlimited
basis.

Also, instead of "conflict management," how about something along the
lines of "setting an example to Gens members and others by behaving
with Dignitas, Comitas and Clementia for the good of Nova Roma?" I
think adult Gens members who are not Paters or Maters should be
responsible for their own conflicts.

Patricia Cassia



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